| 00:00.14 | zorton | and maybe in a perfect world get squid and some limited packet shapping running on it |
| 00:00.21 | sourdough | heh |
| 00:00.50 | zorton | I just hate to throw away machines that may someday serve a purpose |
| 00:01.15 | sourdough | yeah, why i still have that 7100 of mine |
| 00:01.25 | sourdough | just don't do anything with it at present |
| 00:01.55 | zorton | they arn't still bad machines |
| 00:02.08 | zorton | probaly equiv to a low end pentium but still should be able to shape some packets |
| 00:02.15 | sourdough | it only has a 600MB disk though, so a macos-less bootloader would be a must, no room to waste on macos |
| 00:02.27 | zorton | that's what i'mrunning with |
| 00:02.34 | zorton | got 155 left :) |
| 00:02.44 | sourdough | and 200 wasted on macos? |
| 00:02.47 | zorton | but I threw int anotehr junker SCSI 700mg |
| 00:02.52 | zorton | sourdough: no way |
| 00:03.02 | zorton | think I got macos trimmed down to 50 megs or so |
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| 00:03.11 | sourdough | still too much |
| 00:03.23 | zorton | 314 is used on the linux side and I haven't trimmed anything yet |
| 00:03.35 | zorton | well I left some basic networking and other stuff in there |
| 00:03.44 | zorton | I suspose I could trimm down the suitcase or something like that |
| 00:04.06 | sourdough | or attempt miboot |
| 00:04.10 | zorton | ewww |
| 00:04.12 | sourdough | but to be useful it really needs fs support |
| 00:04.32 | zorton | yeah |
| 00:05.01 | zorton | I have a wallstreet 233 that i'm thinking about resurecting |
| 00:05.12 | zorton | I could gut another wallstreet and steal the power and sound board outa it and ifre up linux on it |
| 00:05.29 | zorton | however the firmware is some sorta older version of OF |
| 00:05.40 | zorton | and i've got my PB titanium running so.... |
| 00:05.53 | sourdough | you can get quik working on most oldworlds |
| 00:05.55 | zorton | brb, time to try the nubus card |
| 00:08.36 | zorton | well quik never was very well documented when i treid to use it |
| 00:08.45 | zorton | I might give it a try again if I can think up a use for the old machin |
| 00:08.55 | sourdough | penguinppc.org/projects/quik/ |
| 00:09.15 | zorton | ei'll take a look in a bit |
| 00:11.06 | simonrvn | damn ext2 doesn't do well under load... |
| 00:11.17 | sourdough | nope |
| 00:11.51 | simonrvn | trying to write to an ext2 part when the disk is under full read/write, and it does so horribly |
| 00:12.02 | simonrvn | takes forever |
| 00:12.04 | sourdough | can you change it to xfs? |
| 00:12.11 | simonrvn | quik :/ |
| 00:12.24 | sourdough | make a /boot partition ext2 |
| 00:12.33 | sourdough | then move /etc/quik.conf to /boot/quik.conf |
| 00:12.38 | simonrvn | would that work? |
| 00:12.41 | sourdough | ln -s /boot/quik.conf /etc/quik.conf |
| 00:12.46 | sourdough | simonrvn yup, i tried it |
| 00:12.52 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 00:13.03 | sourdough | quik notices the config is in /boot and embeds the first stage accordingly |
| 00:13.12 | simonrvn | nice |
| 00:13.20 | sourdough | you need to change image= lines to be /foo not /boot/foo naturally |
| 00:13.43 | simonrvn | /foo ? |
| 00:13.57 | sourdough | image=/vmlinux not image=/boot/vmlinux |
| 00:14.05 | sourdough | since quik doesn't know about mount points |
| 00:14.16 | simonrvn | ok |
| 00:14.29 | sourdough | all it sees is the /boot partiton, which it sees as / |
| 00:14.47 | zorton | well it came up but the silly thing is hanging on configureing the network |
| 00:15.20 | sourdough | zorton probably when it tries to activate the card |
| 00:15.35 | simonrvn | yeh, then i just use your xfs images from mock os if ever i need to do the boot-floppy thing |
| 00:15.43 | zorton | looks like it |
| 00:16.24 | sourdough | simonrvn eh? |
| 00:16.24 | simonrvn | (just in case the restorenv floppy dies or something, and it'S 3 am and all the stores are closed =) |
| 00:16.33 | sourdough | heh |
| 00:17.51 | zorton | well the nubus card shows up in dmesg but won't give a link light |
| 00:18.46 | sourdough | sounds like the driver is broken |
| 00:18.53 | zorton | might be |
| 00:19.02 | zorton | eth0: Memory lenght resource for slot B not found, probing |
| 00:19.12 | zorton | but it does pick up the MAC adddress of the card |
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| 00:24.03 | zorton | well looks like a bum card, os 7.6 dosen't give a link either |
| 00:27.59 | simonrvn | too bad. probably fried or something |
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| 02:17.13 | atzanteol | Hey, I've recently aquited a BeBox (ppc 603/66mhz). Anybody know if Debian will install to it? |
| 02:17.21 | atzanteol | s/aquited/aquired/ |
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| 02:52.45 | egg | mpg321 seems to skip through the song like it's fast forwarding. how can i fix it? |
| 03:29.38 | egg | hmmm "device dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission Denied)" |
| 03:29.53 | egg | How do I make it available to accounts other than root? |
| 03:30.22 | Sam-I-Am | add yourself to group audio |
| 03:30.37 | egg | erm. how? |
| 03:30.54 | egg | (n00b) |
| 03:31.25 | Sam-I-Am | edit /etc/group and put your login name after the colin after the group audio |
| 03:31.33 | Sam-I-Am | it'll be something like audio:x:##: |
| 03:31.39 | Sam-I-Am | make it audio:x:##:yourlogin |
| 03:32.54 | egg | is it possible to make it available to all users? |
| 03:33.11 | Sam-I-Am | always add them to group audio - you can do it when running adduser |
| 03:33.26 | egg | k |
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| 04:30.36 | sourdough | adduser yourusername audio |
| 04:30.42 | Sam-I-Am | yo |
| 04:30.58 | sourdough | hi |
| 04:31.38 | i58 | hi |
| 04:38.40 | Sam-I-Am | got a weird error in deb x86/testing lately... |
| 04:38.46 | Sam-I-Am | not sure if ppc is experiencing it |
| 04:41.22 | Sam-I-Am | KDGKBENT at index 128 in table 0: Invalid argument |
| 04:41.57 | Sam-I-Am | happens when rcS.d/S43console-screen is executed |
| 04:42.12 | Sam-I-Am | my guess is someone broke something that worked |
| 05:00.16 | sourdough | never seen any kind of error like that |
| 05:00.32 | sourdough | thats wierd |
| 05:00.33 | Sam-I-Am | weird |
| 05:00.35 | Sam-I-Am | yeah |
| 05:00.44 | sourdough | whats all that KDGKBENT at index 128 in table 0: shit? |
| 05:00.50 | Sam-I-Am | no clue |
| 05:01.00 | Sam-I-Am | something to do with whatever console-screen does |
| 05:01.08 | Sam-I-Am | something with keytables/fonts is my guess |
| 05:01.51 | sourdough | looks like it |
| 05:02.28 | sourdough | probably something with consolechars or charset |
| 05:02.48 | Sam-I-Am | mmhmm |
| 05:03.35 | Sam-I-Am | in related news, found an interesting "wtf" in OSX - for no reason whatsoever, it quit using dhcp - returned its hostname to the default, erased resolv.conf - weird shit. all of the sudden its working again. |
| 05:03.55 | Sam-I-Am | makes you wonder |
| 05:05.18 | i58 | sourdough I still got sound issues btw. I go to a buzzing in the speakers but that's all I could get outta the thing |
| 05:05.18 | sourdough | sounds like standard macos behavior |
| 05:06.13 | Sam-I-Am | yeah |
| 05:06.13 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am thats why i hate OSes that try to replace the sysadm with a glorified buggy script |
| 05:06.15 | i58 | and the modem sound worked, but it was loud enough that you had to leave the room when it connected |
| 05:07.26 | Sam-I-Am | sourdough: me too |
| 05:09.07 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am amazingly enough though apple made a fixed version of HorribleFS+ that is properly case sensitive |
| 05:09.18 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am so here and there they seem to sortof get it |
| 05:10.05 | Sam-I-Am | when was this? |
| 05:10.23 | sourdough | 10.3 |
| 05:10.28 | Sam-I-Am | weird |
| 05:10.39 | sourdough | you have to run mkfs_hfs with the -s switch iirc |
| 05:10.42 | Sam-I-Am | a friends laptop with hfs+j died... corrupt fs |
| 05:10.49 | sourdough | heheeh |
| 05:10.51 | Sam-I-Am | cool, better than nothing |
| 05:11.00 | sourdough | jounraled hfs is a joke |
| 05:11.38 | sourdough | ufs was supposedly fixed up too |
| 05:12.05 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 05:12.18 | Sam-I-Am | wonder why they dont just have a single FS that works... |
| 05:12.25 | Sam-I-Am | oh wait, its apple |
| 05:12.28 | sourdough | yes |
| 05:12.37 | sourdough | ufs would be a far far better starting point then HorribleFS |
| 05:13.20 | Sam-I-Am | yes |
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| 09:04.45 | RQ | morning |
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| 09:33.26 | sourdough | snaund: does dsl in .au just suck in general or what? |
| 09:33.50 | snaund_ | sourdough: oh, i think it's my router, since it's the same router I was using before in .nz with similar probs |
| 09:34.15 | snaund_ | some people at work are getting DSL, and buying 802.11 NAT router type things |
| 09:34.35 | snaund_ | i shall see how they go, and if they're happy, get one of them too, and junk this think |
| 09:34.38 | snaund_ | thing, even |
| 09:35.28 | sourdough | yeah, dsl isn't really the most reliable thing, but i don't think ive ever seen anyone have that much trouble with it.. |
| 09:36.30 | snaund_ | yeah, i know |
| 09:37.00 | snaund_ | it's a very shitty router, was quite cheap. it's a nokia rebadge of a company that went broke, no web management i/f, etc |
| 09:37.50 | sourdough | heh |
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| 09:39.09 | pook | woot it works |
| 09:39.39 | pook | 2.6.1 with alsa from a plain vanilla kernel |
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| 10:04.44 | anjalein | hi...is there mol only for 2.4.22 or is there a version for 2.6.1 too? |
| 10:06.41 | sourdough | mol modules can be built for most any 2.4 |
| 10:06.51 | sourdough | not sure if they work with 2.6 |
| 10:07.30 | sourdough | try building them and see |
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| 10:56.31 | simonrvn | they do work in 2.6 |
| 11:04.21 | bambam_ | simonrvn: do you if the keyboard backlight is workin right now? |
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| 11:11.54 | |fire| | hi all |
| 11:26.23 | simonrvn | bambam_: i have no clue |
| 11:26.42 | simonrvn | why you asking me, i don't even have a laptop of any sort :) |
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| 11:27.44 | bambam_ | simonrvn: you were the the only one, i actually saw taking in here |
| 11:27.52 | bambam_ | thats why |
| 11:30.02 | simonrvn | oh :), hehe, ok |
| 11:30.55 | bambam_ | a friend of me told me he found something, but he's in university right now |
| 11:31.13 | bambam_ | so i thould that probably in here someone knows bout |
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| 11:32.54 | simonrvn | sorry? i think you missed some words.. you mean a friend of yours found an issue, and you thought that probably someone in here might know? |
| 11:33.06 | simonrvn | or something like that |
| 11:33.22 | bambam_ | yes |
| 11:33.39 | simonrvn | ok |
| 11:33.45 | simonrvn | what kind of issue? |
| 11:34.49 | bambam_ | dunno |
| 11:35.31 | bambam_ | he just told me, someone got it runnin, an he has the hack at home, and'll send and it me later |
| 11:35.39 | bambam_ | but i can't wait, you see |
| 11:36.02 | bambam_ | k/and |
| 11:36.04 | simonrvn | oh you mean the backlight |
| 11:36.22 | bambam_ | yes the keyboard backlight control |
| 11:36.30 | bambam_ | for newworld pb's |
| 11:37.45 | simonrvn | i heard something, come to think of it.. dunno what exactly or which backlight (there are 2 or so no?), or which model. basically i have no clue |
| 11:39.28 | mmaddin | nothing helpful via google? |
| 11:40.11 | bambam_ | simonrvn: http://a2032.g.akamai.net/7/2032/51/70b657729159c5/www.apple.com/powerbook/images/15index_keyboard_09162003.jpg |
| 11:40.19 | pook | im on a tangerine clambook so i cant help |
| 11:40.27 | bambam_ | mmaddin: nope didn't find anyting |
| 11:40.56 | bambam_ | np guys, so i just wait for me friend coming home and send me that hack |
| 11:41.05 | mmaddin | bambam_: you might want to ask on debian-powerpc oder debian-laptop |
| 11:41.19 | mmaddin | (but first check the archives) |
| 11:41.22 | bambam_ | mmaddin: i'm allready in #debianppc ;) |
| 11:41.30 | mmaddin | mailing list, not irc channel |
| 11:41.36 | bambam_ | sorry #gentoo-ppc |
| 11:41.37 | simonrvn | hehe, no the mailing list |
| 11:41.41 | pook | what kernel versions you guys running |
| 11:41.50 | bambam_ | 2.6.0-test8 |
| 11:41.52 | simonrvn | 2.6.1-ben1 atm |
| 11:42.07 | LarstiQ | 2.6.1-ben1 |
| 11:42.25 | pook | i just got 2.6.1 to work |
| 11:42.25 | mmaddin | 2.4.24-ben1 since I can't get 2.6.x to compile :-( |
| 11:42.29 | liiwi | could not get 2.6.x-ben1 compiled either |
| 11:42.30 | pook | but i used a vanill akernel |
| 11:43.04 | liiwi | mmaddin: unresolved symbols? |
| 11:43.08 | pook | I had a bit of a try with benh but i had no screen |
| 11:43.08 | mmaddin | no success with any 2.6.x, be it vanilla or benh, .0, .1-rc1 or .1 final |
| 11:43.21 | pook | so i just used plain |
| 11:43.24 | pook | and it works mint |
| 11:43.34 | pook | mmaddin: why? |
| 11:43.44 | mmaddin | undeclared identifiers in drivers/ide/ppc/pmac.c :-(( |
| 11:43.53 | pook | must have wrong kernel config |
| 11:44.09 | pook | you can try mine if you want |
| 11:44.35 | mmaddin | I don't see what can be wrong about that config, but I'd like to try yours |
| 11:44.49 | pook | http://pook.homelinux.net/linux |
| 11:45.31 | mmaddin | pook: thanks, I'll try. |
| 11:45.44 | pook | anytime |
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| 11:46.27 | bambam | re |
| 11:46.37 | bambam | irssi screwed up |
| 11:46.43 | simonrvn | you know, yelp is fucking useless.. "let's spawn 10 threads, and none of them will actually display the data asked for, that'll be lots o' fun :)" NOT |
| 11:47.08 | simonrvn | "...and then, soak up 100 MB of RAM for the fuck of it " |
| 11:47.29 | bambam | simonrvn: were could i get 2.6.1-ben1, cause it's not in ppckernel |
| 11:47.38 | simonrvn | rsync |
| 11:47.55 | liiwi | see topic |
| 11:48.10 | bambam | oh thx |
| 11:48.17 | jaska | haha |
| 11:48.20 | jaska | bloatwarez |
| 11:48.24 | simonrvn | yup |
| 11:48.52 | simonrvn | killall -s 1 yelp did the trick ;) |
| 11:49.30 | simonrvn | should maybe add the rsync.theorie.physik.uni-muenchen.de one maybe to the topic? |
| 11:49.43 | liiwi | mirror? |
| 11:49.55 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 11:50.43 | pook | anyone use mol ? |
| 11:50.49 | pook | does it work ok? |
| 11:54.29 | *** topic/#debianppc by simonrvn -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test || Install Debian on new (2003) PowerMacs with XFS: http://penguinppc.org/~eb/files/XFS-debian-README.txt || yabon/dri-trunk-sid/ || rsync -avz source.mvista.com::linuxppc-2.5-benh /<your_dir> or rsync.theorie.physik.uni-muenchen.de::linuxppc-2.5-benh - currently 2.6.1-ben1 || p.d.o is back up |
| 11:54.58 | simonrvn | worked for me in 2.6.0-ben3 or some such version |
| 11:55.31 | *** topic/#debianppc by simonrvn -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test || Install Debian on new (2003) PowerMacs with XFS: http://penguinppc.org/~eb/files/XFS-debian-README.txt || yabon/dri-trunk-sid/ || rsync -avz source.mvista.com::linuxppc-2.5-benh /<your_dir> or rsync.theorie.physik.uni-muenchen.de::linuxppc-2.5-benh - currently 2.6.1-ben1 || packages.d.o is back up |
| 11:55.37 | pook | cool |
| 12:21.43 | LarstiQ | works for me |
| 12:30.28 | jaska | weird. |
| 12:30.35 | jaska | irb hung on me when i did x = IO.popen('cronolog %Y%m%d') |
| 12:30.49 | jaska | ah, forgot the 'w' |
| 12:31.02 | simonrvn | irb? |
| 12:31.09 | jaska | wrong channel ;D |
| 12:31.10 | jaska | sorry |
| 12:31.15 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 12:31.15 | LarstiQ | still, irb? :) |
| 12:31.20 | jaska | ruby stuff |
| 12:31.27 | simonrvn | nods |
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| 12:32.46 | dreamind | Hi |
| 12:33.30 | simonrvn | hey |
| 12:33.38 | dreamind | Hi simonrvn :) |
| 12:34.17 | dreamind | *yawn* :) |
| 12:35.04 | simonrvn | heh |
| 12:35.30 | dreamind | yea and its running some "strange os" ;) |
| 12:35.58 | simonrvn | oh no |
| 12:36.02 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 12:36.04 | dreamind | .oO( the name of the os thou shall not speak ) |
| 12:36.04 | jaska | ick |
| 12:36.35 | dreamind | hm, well not ick, its quite useable |
| 12:37.01 | dreamind | (after installing lots of stuff with fink |
| 12:37.19 | dreamind | well I personally would prefer a better approach than fink. most of the fink stuff sucks |
| 12:37.32 | dreamind | (I mean the scripts they use) |
| 12:38.19 | simonrvn | fink isn't debian, for sure |
| 12:38.49 | sourdough | simonrvn do you happen to know who arcady actually is? |
| 12:38.52 | dreamind | simonrvn: yup. |
| 12:39.01 | dreamind | simonrvn: and that sucks ass |
| 12:39.11 | sourdough | so install debian |
| 12:39.13 | simonrvn | sourdough: no idea. |
| 12:39.30 | sourdough | simonrvn he seems to have vanished without a trace |
| 12:39.45 | sourdough | just when it seemed he made good progress finishing that code |
| 12:40.43 | LarstiQ | that code is cursed |
| 12:40.49 | sourdough | sure seems so |
| 12:41.02 | sourdough | he is the second person to vanish without a trace after looking at it |
| 12:41.14 | sourdough | i think the whole yaboot project is probably doomed |
| 12:41.40 | LarstiQ | that would be a shame |
| 12:41.45 | sourdough | yup |
| 12:41.47 | simonrvn | damn. i sure hope not |
| 12:41.55 | jaska | hmm |
| 12:42.04 | jaska | is the code really that evil? |
| 12:42.04 | sourdough | but i need help, and everyone just disappears after making progress, but wihtout actually sharing it |
| 12:42.06 | LarstiQ | arcady sounds russian to me |
| 12:42.21 | dreamind | sourdough: well its installed but this evil hardware doesnt work as it should (nvidia based graphics card) |
| 12:42.27 | simonrvn | i'll see what i can do with some of my skills. |
| 12:42.27 | sourdough | LarstiQ its just a nickname, he goes to a US university i think |
| 12:42.38 | sourdough | but i have no idea his real name, so i cannot track him down |
| 12:42.47 | dreamind | sourdough: somehow similar on my powerbook, the radeon 9600 doesnt work with suspend there and the keyboard backlit doesnt work too |
| 12:43.11 | LarstiQ | Arcady Genkin? |
| 12:43.18 | sourdough | no |
| 12:43.27 | sourdough | arcady is not his real name |
| 12:43.33 | sourdough | i did a whois once but i can't remember it |
| 12:43.42 | sourdough | and im sure he isn't a gentoo weenie |
| 12:43.48 | simonrvn | i just did one, nothing. |
| 12:43.49 | sourdough | genkin is a gentoo weenie |
| 12:44.04 | simonrvn | i'll check my logs |
| 12:44.28 | sourdough | apt arcady |
| 12:44.37 | | sourdough: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 12:44.38 | sourdough | apt seen arcady |
| 12:44.46 | | arcady <~arcady@adsl-98-237.bway.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debianppc, 15d 7h 46m 37s ago, saying: 'never even heard of that, in fact'. |
| 12:44.47 | simonrvn | @seen arcady |
| 12:44.49 | sourdough | heh |
| 12:44.49 | ravenbird | arcady <~arcady@adsl-98-237.bway.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debianppc, 15d 7h 46m 40s ago, saying: 'never even heard of that, in fact'. |
| 12:45.02 | sourdough | 15 days is about right |
| 12:45.17 | simonrvn | about when /whois would expire |
| 12:45.38 | simonrvn | week or so, or 2. not sure |
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| 12:46.43 | sourdough | last one to disappear was andrew over, last august, he did a cvs commit to a web page of his in october (apparently, cvs id) but other then that nothing |
| 12:47.05 | sourdough | email address is still subscribed to the list,a nd seems to work |
| 12:47.10 | sourdough | but nobody reads it apparently |
| 12:47.26 | jaska | i guess he was abducted by aliens. |
| 12:47.33 | sourdough | thats what i figured |
| 12:48.25 | simonrvn | heh |
| 12:48.25 | sourdough | arcady was in #yaboot after he returned from vacation, then the connection timed out |
| 12:48.25 | sourdough | no trace ever since |
| 12:48.25 | mmaddin | pook: 2.6.1-ben1 compiled fine with your config :-)) now have to find out where I goofed my config. Thanks so much! |
| 12:48.25 | simonrvn | maybe he's just away. he's done that before |
| 12:48.27 | simonrvn | mmaddin: yay :) |
| 12:48.38 | sourdough | well since he was on vacation at year end, and returned to school i wouldn't think so.. |
| 12:49.03 | sourdough | leaving at start of a semester seems not a great plan.. |
| 12:49.39 | simonrvn | maybe something came up. who knows.. |
| 12:49.57 | sourdough | who knows |
| 12:50.20 | sourdough | ive just got a feeling its going to be like Over, nevre heard from again |
| 12:50.24 | simonrvn | is still FS stuff that needs work? |
| 12:50.28 | sourdough | yup |
| 12:50.31 | sourdough | arcady had it working |
| 12:50.32 | simonrvn | ok |
| 12:50.44 | simonrvn | oh cool. did he do a commit? |
| 12:50.49 | sourdough | and was going to start merging it in a prom-libc branch |
| 12:50.56 | sourdough | simonrvn if he did his archive is not public |
| 12:51.03 | simonrvn | damn |
| 12:51.10 | sourdough | he never sent any code |
| 12:51.19 | sourdough | so if he is gone, all the work he did goes with him |
| 12:51.35 | sourdough | and someone else will have ot start over again (3rd or 4th time now) |
| 12:51.42 | simonrvn | hmm, did he speak to you or anyone about what changes he made? |
| 12:51.49 | sourdough | thats why im close to just saying fuck it and giving up on this doomed endeavor |
| 12:51.57 | sourdough | me yes |
| 12:52.12 | simonrvn | could you reproduce it from what he did tell you? |
| 12:52.12 | sourdough | just general info on what he had working and asking questions about stuff |
| 12:52.16 | sourdough | definitly not |
| 12:52.17 | simonrvn | ok |
| 12:52.25 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 12:52.39 | sourdough | all i have is the rough skeleton snaud wrote over a year ago |
| 12:53.17 | sourdough | this whole ting has been going in circles for years now, im tired of it |
| 12:53.33 | sourdough | and nobody really seems to care |
| 12:53.41 | sourdough | nobody really cares that ofpath is temrinally broken on 2.6 |
| 12:53.59 | jaska | hmm, how are people going to boot their ppcs in the future then? |
| 12:54.01 | jaska | if they dont care? |
| 12:54.10 | sourdough | jaska dunno |
| 12:54.17 | sourdough | jaska nothing convenient nor user friendly |
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| 12:54.49 | sourdough | oh well |
| 12:54.50 | sourdough | later |
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| 12:55.03 | simonrvn | people seem to want something easy.. bootloaders are very basic things. they're what gets the machine up.. |
| 12:55.17 | simonrvn | he feels bad about it :( |
| 12:55.26 | simonrvn | take care buddy |
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| 14:28.16 | pook | geez |
| 14:28.16 | pook | have they finished yet |
| 14:33.16 | simonrvn | done |
| 14:39.03 | Curalton | ..getting my ibook warm and toasty again with a 2.6.1-behn1 compile :) |
| 14:39.21 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 14:40.51 | Curalton | at least my Oggs continue to play fine since i upgrade from a 2.6 already |
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| 14:41.29 | Curalton | what was that hd temperature measureing program again - hddtemp or so? |
| 14:41.36 | simonrvn | no idea |
| 14:41.53 | sk1p | smartmontools can read it, iirc |
| 14:42.08 | jaska | hddtemp does it atleast |
| 14:42.23 | Curalton | ah, it is hddtemp - apt-get install hddt<tab> just took forever to complete whie th |
| 14:42.30 | Curalton | while* the kernel was compiling |
| 14:42.35 | jaska | heh, apt tab completion? :D |
| 14:42.50 | Curalton | also I loosing training on the <enter> key of this ibook kb :) |
| 14:42.55 | Curalton | jaska: /etc/bash_completion |
| 14:43.02 | jaska | ah, i prefer zsh |
| 14:43.07 | Curalton | :P |
| 14:43.11 | jaska | could probably do the same in zsh tho |
| 14:43.16 | Curalton | i will one day too |
| 14:43.27 | Curalton | yes you can |
| 14:43.45 | LarstiQ | yup |
| 14:44.02 | LarstiQ | but dpkg is also handy |
| 14:45.09 | Curalton | having to write my own config for e.g. what do do on PgUp etc. scared me a bit so still bash for me |
| 14:45.32 | LarstiQ | Oh, I just use screen anyway |
| 14:46.53 | LarstiQ | ghe, it does up-history :) |
| 14:47.27 | Curalton | heh, have to dig up some configfiles... |
| 14:48.08 | pook | what hardware you have? |
| 14:48.35 | Curalton | ibook g3 700mhz only - why? *g* |
| 14:48.48 | pook | just curious |
| 14:50.16 | bambam | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 14:51.17 | bambam | with any benh-kernel my X has a sysusage bout 16%, with 2.6.0-test8 none |
| 14:51.20 | Bor_Ed | hmm, rsync taking 50% of cpu time ?!? |
| 14:51.23 | bambam | anyone an idea |
| 14:51.51 | Curalton | 'top' says so or some other app? |
| 14:52.00 | pook | im using a plain 2.6.1 |
| 14:52.02 | Bor_Ed | top |
| 14:52.35 | bambam | ???? |
| 14:52.39 | Curalton | err, @ bambam. just know that some /proc/ interfaces change, might affect some dockapps or so |
| 14:52.57 | Curalton | and i think this is well possible since it has to diff and gzip stuff |
| 14:53.06 | Curalton | (rsync, that is) |
| 14:53.15 | Bor_Ed | ahh, right |
| 14:53.45 | bambam | hmm that suckes |
| 14:54.02 | bambam | pook: where could i get the plaine 2.6.1? |
| 14:54.15 | pook | kernel.org ? |
| 14:54.24 | Curalton | *g* |
| 14:54.32 | bambam | ok, i'll look for it |
| 14:54.37 | Curalton | not apple.com? |
| 14:54.42 | mmaddin | hehe |
| 14:54.52 | pook | i get mine from ftp://ftp.uwa.edu.au/mirrors/linux/kernel/kernel/v2.6 |
| 14:54.57 | pook | because its local |
| 14:55.00 | pook | for me |
| 14:55.10 | Curalton | but don't forget the gpg --verify etc. stuff :P |
| 14:56.15 | RQ | hi Bor_Ed ;] |
| 14:56.30 | RQ | how's your compile? was it succesfull? |
| 14:56.43 | Bor_Ed | RQ, 8 done and none working |
| 14:56.58 | Bor_Ed | getting new rsync from mvista and checking |
| 14:57.12 | RQ | lol |
| 14:57.31 | Bor_Ed | rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(1064) |
| 14:57.35 | Bor_Ed | not getting from mvista it seems |
| 14:57.48 | RQ | Bor_Ed, why not use vanilla? |
| 14:57.52 | bambam | hmm, i'm really confused bout benh-kernel, everyone's telling me how fine it's workin, but here they always screw X |
| 14:58.21 | Bor_Ed | RQ, swim3 is heard to be FUBAR on vanilla |
| 14:58.27 | RQ | i can tell you vanilla works perfeclty here;] |
| 14:58.35 | RQ | what? |
| 14:58.40 | Bor_Ed | you can use floppy ok ? |
| 14:58.46 | RQ | hmz |
| 14:58.46 | RQ | me? |
| 14:58.48 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 14:58.50 | RQ | i don't have one |
| 14:59.01 | Bor_Ed | hmm |
| 14:59.28 | RQ | i'm on a C00L PowerBook ;] |
| 14:59.31 | RQ | lol– |
| 14:59.42 | bambam | yeah, but what is wrong in benh-kerns, fucked up agp, or fb? |
| 14:59.58 | bambam | RQ: newworld one? |
| 15:00.01 | Bor_Ed | more or less fb :P |
| 15:00.17 | RQ | eyah |
| 15:00.30 | RQ | hmz |
| 15:00.36 | RQ | funny |
| 15:00.41 | pook | Linux twonk.kicks-ass.org 2.6.1-twonk #3 Sun Jan 18 23:57:30 WST 2004 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 15:00.44 | RQ | my vanilla has perfect fb |
| 15:00.51 | bambam | RQ: so do you know anyting bout gettin keyboard backlight workin? |
| 15:00.58 | pook | plain vanilla 2.6 works for me |
| 15:01.02 | RQ | bambam, i don't have it ;] |
| 15:01.06 | RQ | i guess |
| 15:01.10 | Bor_Ed | I might try the vanilla when it gets to 2.6.4 or .8 or so |
| 15:01.14 | RQ | however i wish i had |
| 15:01.50 | bambam | RQ: you don't have it as hardware, or it's not workin? |
| 15:02.40 | bambam | sec, reboot, damn X |
| 15:02.41 | RQ | bambam, i'm not sure i have backlite on this powerbook |
| 15:03.37 | Curalton | ah, almost forgot i was apt-getting hddtemp - 51°C so it says :) |
| 15:04.27 | RQ | ;]] |
| 15:04.28 | RQ | hmz |
| 15:04.39 | RQ | how does it measure the temp? |
| 15:04.52 | Curalton | must be an internal hdd sensor |
| 15:04.53 | pook | hdd temp sensor |
| 15:05.02 | pook | my hdd doesnt have one |
| 15:05.13 | Curalton | thought all all the mobile hdds come with it |
| 15:05.18 | Curalton | IBM here |
| 15:05.28 | pook | /dev/hda: TOSHIBA MK3211MAT: no sensor |
| 15:05.28 | RQ | hmz |
| 15:05.37 | jaska | it probably has one |
| 15:05.43 | jaska | but the hddtemp database doesnt recognize it |
| 15:05.55 | pook | this is an old laptop |
| 15:06.02 | jaska | maybe not then |
| 15:06.09 | jaska | depends on the definition of old. |
| 15:06.49 | pook | tangerine clam ibook |
| 15:07.05 | jaska | id guess it has a sensor then |
| 15:07.13 | jaska | sounds recent enough |
| 15:07.17 | pook | catwaesel: /proc/cpu: No such file or directory |
| 15:07.18 | jaska | dont know what year that is tho :) |
| 15:07.21 | pook | whoops |
| 15:07.26 | pook | clock: 299MHz |
| 15:07.29 | pook | massive |
| 15:07.31 | jaska | heh |
| 15:08.13 | pook | 64MB of ram |
| 15:08.24 | jaska | ouch |
| 15:08.30 | pook | makes it hard |
| 15:08.42 | pook | runs X alright though |
| 15:08.57 | pook | alright bed time |
| 15:09.01 | pook | its late here |
| 15:09.01 | jaska | nitey |
| 15:10.01 | RQ | ;] |
| 15:10.03 | pook | wish there was a way to make this thing sleep |
| 15:10.04 | RQ | hmz |
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| 15:28.20 | Bor_Ed | giving up on dang benh and trying vanilla .1 for a change |
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| 15:46.26 | piranha | Anything special about building Linux 2.6.1 on PPC? I get '2.6 kernels no longer buildcorrectly with old versions of binutils.' // 'Please upgrade your binutils to 2.12.1 or newer', even though I have 2.12.90.0.1-4 installed. |
| 15:47.05 | Bor_Ed | sid build environment at least works ... it's another case to get a kernel that boots |
| 15:47.20 | piranha | arch/ppc/Makefile is testing the version of as installed with 'echo dssall | as -o /dev/null >/dev/null 2>&1'. If that fails, it prints that error message. |
| 15:48.06 | Bor_Ed | so update the binutils |
| 15:48.56 | piranha | May as well. I'll try building whatever is in testing. I'd like to keep this system as woody as possible, though. |
| 15:49.46 | Bor_Ed | I see |
| 15:50.44 | piranha | It seems some old versions of binutils don't correctly support the dssall instruction, and expect an operand. That's why the test fails. |
| 15:51.55 | Bor_Ed | check the build precautions or so on source docs |
| 15:55.07 | piranha | Ok. |
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| 16:42.06 | simonrvn | @wb dreamind |
| 16:42.07 | ravenbird | Welcome back dreamind, oh lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 16:48.16 | dreamind | hi simonrvn :) |
| 16:48.23 | dreamind | lol :) |
| 16:50.00 | chris` | hrmmm |
| 16:52.09 | simonrvn | @literal cmd: wb (.?) |
| 16:52.22 | simonrvn | @literal cmd: wb (.*?) |
| 16:52.22 | ravenbird | cmd: wb (.*?) is ($1): <reply>Welcome back $1, oh lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 16:59.57 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, trying vanilla this time ... if the rsync was the prob |
| 17:04.43 | simonrvn | could be. be prepared to patch swim3 if need be |
| 17:05.15 | Bor_Ed | I can use 486's floppy when absolutely needed |
| 17:06.01 | simonrvn | up to you :). the patch only patches swim3, so it's non-intrusive |
| 17:08.18 | Bor_Ed | haven't used floppy drive on this box to other than boot the installer |
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| 17:14.14 | spacecowboy | anyone about |
| 17:14.25 | Bor_Ed | not really |
| 17:14.34 | spacecowboy | Bor_Ed do you have tibook? |
| 17:15.00 | Bor_Ed | I wish |
| 17:15.45 | spacecowboy | Bor_Ed what kernel version would you recommend? |
| 17:15.55 | spacecowboy | i am runnign 2.6.1-ben1 right now |
| 17:16.42 | Bor_Ed | should do |
| 17:16.49 | spacecowboy | ? |
| 17:16.57 | Bor_Ed | the one you have |
| 17:17.07 | spacecowboy | ok |
| 17:17.07 | Bor_Ed | it's most recent after all |
| 17:17.07 | spacecowboy | it is |
| 17:17.07 | spacecowboy | but i'm just saying |
| 17:17.15 | spacecowboy | i wanted the best for it |
| 17:17.20 | spacecowboy | but ok |
| 17:17.45 | Bor_Ed | I doubt you'll find better than that currently |
| 17:18.11 | spacecowboy | ls |
| 17:18.14 | spacecowboy | whoops |
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| 17:21.03 | dolphy_ | hmm that was a nice crash |
| 17:21.09 | dolphy_ | don't run apt-get install cupsys :) |
| 17:22.51 | simonrvn | ouch |
| 17:23.09 | dolphy_ | seems the package contains non ppc binary :) |
| 17:23.33 | dolphy_ | complete system hang when trying to start CUPSys |
| 17:23.44 | jaska | hah |
| 17:24.02 | Bor_Ed | aww |
| 17:24.08 | simonrvn | icky |
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| 17:48.16 | netmanito | hy |
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| 18:31.16 | i58 | anyone about that can help a noob? |
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| 18:55.21 | i58 | need help getting sound working on an imac running stable. I'm in the audio group and have enabled the module. all i get is a buzzing in the speakers. |
| 19:00.53 | simonrvn | try modprobe -r then modprobe -a. the sound can be really picky sometimes |
| 19:03.28 | i58 | the sound is like the volume is all the way up. it makes a oud popping when the modm disconnects, etc. |
| 19:03.48 | simonrvn | have a mixer installed? |
| 19:06.06 | i58 | going to add xamixer |
| 19:06.28 | simonrvn | try aumix. has a gtk version too |
| 19:06.40 | i58 | alright |
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| 19:10.36 | i58 | what is the spkr item for in aumix? that one killed the sound |
| 19:10.49 | simonrvn | speaker |
| 19:11.06 | simonrvn | man aumix for more info |
| 19:11.17 | i58 | i guess i dont understand the difference between the spkr and vol sliders |
| 19:11.59 | simonrvn | volume is volume. speaker adjusts the speaker volume |
| 19:12.31 | i58 | oh i think i get it now |
| 19:12.49 | i58 | i just noticed the headset plugs staring at me |
| 19:13.11 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:14.08 | i58 | i did get an error when it installed alsa-base tho. : Starting ALSA sound driver (version none):modprobe: Can't locate module snd |
| 19:14.09 | i58 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.34 | i58 | am i missing an alias? |
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| 19:40.34 | pabl0 | hi!, someone has a ibm machine with firmware?, I have one, I removed AIX and installed Debian, now, I'm looking for something like this: |
| 19:40.58 | pabl0 | boot hd1:,\zImage root=/dev/sda3 |
| 19:41.01 | pabl0 | to boot it |
| 19:49.26 | Sahneschnitter | pabl0: yaboot |
| 19:49.36 | Sahneschnitter | pabl0: which machine type? |
| 19:50.41 | pabl0 | a IBM RS600 B50 |
| 19:50.47 | pabl0 | I installed yaboot, configured it.. |
| 19:51.28 | Sahneschnitter | ok |
| 19:51.56 | pabl0 | and when Firmware tries to load, it restart the computer |
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| 19:51.59 | pabl0 | =/ |
| 19:52.42 | Sahneschnitter | :-) same happens for me all the time :-) |
| 19:52.55 | Sahneschnitter | but you can try to boot your system with the OF prompt |
| 19:53.01 | pabl0 | OF? |
| 19:53.10 | pabl0 | for example? |
| 19:53.20 | pabl0 | I always boot with a floppy |
| 19:53.21 | medwards | pabl0: OverFiend; makes it surly. |
| 19:53.25 | Sahneschnitter | pressing f8 during boot |
| 19:53.39 | pabl0 | but now my zImage is 1.9M :D |
| 19:53.47 | Sahneschnitter | and the say boot:,... |
| 19:54.14 | pabl0 | yeah, I allways use: boot floppy;,\linux root=/dev/sdb3 |
| 19:54.28 | pabl0 | but Like I say, now my zImage is of 1.9M |
| 19:54.52 | pabl0 | If I remove the SLIP -for a vpn server- it gets to 1.2M..urgh |
| 19:56.03 | pabl0 | sO I was hopping if I can load the zImage directly from the hard disk |
| 19:57.28 | Sahneschnitter | pabl0: burning your zImage onto a cdrom :-) |
| 19:57.42 | Sahneschnitter | boot cdrom:,\vmlinux |
| 19:57.56 | pabl0 | oh.. another option? |
| 19:58.27 | Sahneschnitter | no idea. I guess yaboot doesn't work on newer b50 models |
| 19:58.42 | pabl0 | damn |
| 19:58.55 | pabl0 | do you remember how to 'save' in the firmware memory the boot process? |
| 19:59.14 | pabl0 | so if there is no F8 key, load: cdrom;,\vmlinux root=/dev/sdb3 |
| 19:59.27 | Sahneschnitter | nope. but there must be somethink like "auto boot" |
| 19:59.48 | Sahneschnitter | have a look at partners.boulders.ibm.com |
| 19:59.51 | pabl0 | I'll look, so the cdrom option works for RS6K models? |
| 19:59.59 | Sahneschnitter | I'm off now |
| 20:00.02 | Sahneschnitter | yes |
| 20:00.05 | pabl0 | thanks! |
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| 21:08.07 | pabl0 | in openfirmware how can I view the contents of directories? |
| 21:08.57 | simonrvn | dev to the proper device where your disk is, and do ls |
| 21:09.09 | pabl0 | dev -directory? |
| 21:09.19 | pabl0 | dev /directory? |
| 21:09.35 | simonrvn | i'll give you an example |
| 21:09.45 | pabl0 | I'm battery is eating.. |
| 21:09.50 | pabl0 | (1%, :() |
| 21:09.57 | simonrvn | note this will likely be different on your machine |
| 21:10.02 | pabl0 | ok |
| 21:10.03 | simonrvn | eek, then go charge |
| 21:10.07 | pabl0 | say :) |
| 21:10.23 | simonrvn | dev /bandit/gc/mesh/sd |
| 21:10.27 | simonrvn | ls |
| 21:10.45 | simonrvn | so you find your hard drive device, and do ls |
| 21:11.07 | simonrvn | the directories are \ in OF, not / like in linux |
| 21:11.46 | simonrvn | beyond that, i can't help. sorry |
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