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| 00:35.30 | lex | hey, anything horribly broken in sid? |
| 00:38.18 | medwards | dash |
| 00:38.43 | medwards | as a general rule, look at topic on #debian-devel |
| 00:45.00 | kers | hi, if someone can help, i would need some hand holding :/ i've been trying for a few days to get the display in x11 to work on this "ibook 2.2" but after following all hints, howtos and testing all config files i have found i still get stripes going down from the top of the screen, have anybody experienced anything similar? |
| 00:46.09 | Curalton | hm, #debian-devel has set its chanmode to +s :/ |
| 00:51.20 | lex | Oh...neat trick |
| 00:51.52 | lex | It even has a fucked-nonfucked list.....thats very nice |
| 00:55.37 | bambam | hi |
| 00:55.43 | bambam | @ all |
| 00:55.44 | ravenbird | all is, like, fair in love and war |
| 00:56.46 | bambam | has anyone here yet worked with lmud ? |
| 00:59.27 | Curalton | lex: mind posting the #debian-devel topic here? i don't feel like joining :P |
| 00:59.44 | bambam | ???? |
| 01:00.03 | Curalton | kers: ibook 2.2 G3 with a radeon? |
| 01:00.20 | Curalton | bambam: " as a general rule, look at topic on #debian-devel" -> "Oh...neat trick, It even has a fucked-nonfucked list.....thats very nice" |
| 01:00.33 | lex | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.38 | kers | Curalton: yes, thats it :) |
| 01:02.39 | Curalton | kers: works fine here - http://www.stud.uni-goettingen.de/~s286075/ - see the Xfree86 config there |
| 01:03.07 | Curalton | lex: thanks. i guess i'll have to ask the guys to make the # non secret |
| 01:04.01 | kers | Curalton: ok, i'll give it a try! are you on woody or sid? |
| 01:04.30 | Curalton | sid of course! forget it with woody :P |
| 01:04.51 | Curalton | also Xfree86 4.3 from experimental |
| 01:04.58 | kers | Curalton: thats why i'm having problem, i'm on woody :( |
| 01:05.17 | Curalton | and... you don't have broadband to upgrade? |
| 01:05.24 | kers | Curalton: i gues i have to upgrade to sid some day when i'm not on a 33k6 dialup :] |
| 01:06.35 | Curalton | uh, now that is indeed a bad situation... |
| 01:06.58 | Curalton | and iirc only sid CDs for x86 are sold by some stores |
| 01:07.04 | Curalton | never seen a ppc edition |
| 01:07.36 | Curalton | (all these images are inoffical of course, just a snapshot of the apt archive ) |
| 01:08.05 | kers | ok, well, i can go and visit someone in a few weeks and upgrade |
| 01:08.30 | Curalton | yep, you should do that :) |
| 01:08.33 | kers | thanks anyways for your time |
| 01:08.38 | Curalton | np :) |
| 01:09.09 | bambam | Curalton: i allready read the topic in debian-powerpc, but there isn't any documentation for that deamon |
| 01:10.27 | Curalton | sorry, wasn't refering to your lmud q. only to your questionmarks |
| 01:10.53 | lex | i love the new kernel |
| 01:11.08 | lex | it all just works (TM) ... i love the kernel-ppc devels |
| 01:11.17 | bambam | ok |
| 01:12.28 | Curalton | lol lex :) |
| 01:12.42 | bambam | shouldn't there be an entry i2o in /dev/., with i2o_dev compiled in kernel? |
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| 01:17.42 | lex | Has anyone here ever got ogle to run in their ppc? |
| 01:17.58 | JimButton | lex: yes, but that was ages ago |
| 01:18.11 | JimButton | lex: at the moment i don't have a working DVD drive anyway |
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| 01:18.44 | bambam | could anyone please help me |
| 01:18.48 | bambam | i really wonna get lmud running |
| 01:18.51 | bambam | but it even seemes there isn't any /dev/i2o |
| 01:19.19 | medwards | i2c and lm-sensors are in something of a mess right now. |
| 01:20.05 | bambam | so not workin at all? |
| 01:20.21 | lex | Um....shouldve held dash (/me sighs)....DUH! |
| 01:20.38 | medwards | i2c upstream made a hash out of the 2.4.x -> 2.6 transition; see debian-devel archives for the current status. |
| 01:20.51 | medwards | lex: it's not a big deal unless /bin/sh -> dash |
| 01:21.12 | lex | yeah.... good...hehe, i was wondering what it was...lol |
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| 01:22.17 | xLobeznox | hi |
| 01:22.28 | medwards | bambam: I don't know of my own experience, just what I read on d-d |
| 01:22.36 | xLobeznox | somebody using gnome on debian sid? |
| 01:22.39 | bambam | ok |
| 01:23.57 | farruinn | xLobeznox: i have it |
| 01:24.09 | farruinn | but I haven't gotten any of the recent upgrades because I heard they were broken |
| 01:24.43 | xLobeznox | mmm |
| 01:25.00 | xLobeznox | are you using gdesklets? |
| 01:25.12 | xLobeznox | has you ever used it? |
| 01:25.19 | farruinn | nope |
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| 02:22.17 | skel | is sarge stable yet? |
| 02:24.36 | rustybofh | no, woody is stable |
| 02:24.40 | rustybofh | sarge is testing |
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| 04:41.04 | annie | hi how are you good i hope |
| 04:41.25 | annie | any one there |
| 04:57.54 | MacPlusG3 | yeap |
| 05:01.41 | annie | hi how are you good i hope |
| 05:01.50 | annie | talk to me |
| 05:10.02 | annie | you there |
| 05:10.38 | chris` | I suspect annie is either a bot or really slow |
| 05:10.59 | annie | sorry what |
| 05:11.22 | annie | give a reason |
| 05:11.24 | annie | now hey |
| 05:11.47 | annie | yuu |
| 05:12.37 | annie | asl |
| 05:13.09 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 05:13.23 | annie | hi |
| 05:13.46 | annie | you thererererererreert |
| 05:14.29 | Sam-I-Am | you're oddly retarded |
| 05:14.38 | Sam-I-Am | and by the way, "asl" is soooo mid-90s |
| 05:15.35 | annie | go get a life you faul mouth mole |
| 05:17.06 | annie | and you are so sluty |
| 05:17.18 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 05:17.21 | Sam-I-Am | oh yeah, i'm a slut |
| 05:17.32 | annie | of course |
| 05:17.51 | annie | you said im retarted so.... |
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| 05:34.44 | chris` | Sam-I-Am: I'm still betting bot |
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| 07:16.32 | fredf | is here any low-level-hardware-coders? |
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| 08:52.51 | RQ | heya |
| 08:52.51 | RQ | ;] |
| 08:57.03 | pook | heya |
| 09:01.54 | mmaddin | hooray, finally got 2.6.1-ben1 to compile (and boot) :) |
| 09:02.01 | pook | hehe |
| 09:02.42 | mmaddin | I took over my config from 2.4.x (make oldconfig). Must have goofed somewhere there. Thanks for your config pook, got me on the right track |
| 09:03.26 | pook | im glad it helped |
| 09:04.00 | RQ | :) |
| 09:09.31 | pook | i dont see the point in oldconfig |
| 09:09.31 | pook | it just asks you for everything that isnt in the old file |
| 09:09.31 | pook | if you run menuconfig with the old config it just leaves them all blank |
| 09:11.52 | mmaddin | I don't want to go through all the menus and submenus in menuconfig just to find out there has been no new option added in, say, 2.4.23 -> 2.4.24 . That's what oldconfig is nice for. For 2.4 -> 2.6 it looks like it wasn't the best choice |
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| 09:13.30 | pook | I thought oldconfig was only for 2.4->2.6 |
| 09:13.50 | sourdough | no oldconfig is only for minor version -> next minor version |
| 09:13.55 | pook | hrmm |
| 09:14.02 | sourdough | it won't work for major versions like 2.4 -> 2.6 |
| 09:14.05 | sourdough | or 2.2 -> 2.4 etc |
| 09:14.08 | sourdough | too much change |
| 09:14.10 | pook | I normally just copy the .config across and run make menuconfig then quit |
| 09:14.12 | pook | same thing i spose |
| 09:14.24 | sourdough | pook thats fine if its only a minor version different |
| 09:14.31 | pook | yeah |
| 09:14.32 | sourdough | 2.4 and 2.6 are not minor version differences |
| 09:14.41 | sourdough | so you must start over from scratch for 2.6 |
| 09:14.51 | sourdough | then you can go back to oldconfig with that new config |
| 09:14.54 | pook | I started my 2.6 .config from scratch |
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| 12:54.07 | snaund- | hmm, i hope 2.6.1 is ok on ppc |
| 12:55.29 | LarstiQ | snaund-: it's working for me on my tibook |
| 12:58.31 | snaund- | i need to get an IDE CD-R working, iirc it was a pita on 2.4 |
| 12:59.28 | medwards | snaund-: I'm interested in hearing how it goes; just went through that on 2.4 (not too big a deal, just useless diagnostice) |
| 12:59.39 | medwards | s/ice/ics/ |
| 13:02.36 | LarstiQ | snaund-: the one I have works, but I use ide-cd and ide-scsi |
| 13:03.22 | snaund- | so, does one need `PCI IDE chipset support' as well as `Builtin PowerMac IDE support'? |
| 13:03.30 | medwards | the trick for me was to have ide-scsi in the yaboot.conf append= _and_ in /etc/modules |
| 13:03.47 | LarstiQ | ah, I load the module by hand |
| 13:04.10 | LarstiQ | snaund-: my config is at http://larstiq.dyndns.org/~larstiq/config.gz if that helps |
| 13:04.17 | snaund- | LarstiQ: yeah, i didn't persevere for very long, it all looked a bit hard... |
| 13:04.39 | snaund- | LarstiQ: thanks |
| 13:04.48 | LarstiQ | order matters, and I rmmod and remod, doing that several times gets it to work |
| 13:04.59 | MacPlusG3 | snaund-: yes, 2.6.1 works great - at least from ben's tree. and yes, you want those options (if you want to use IDE based disks that is). make sure you install module-init-tools too |
| 13:05.21 | snaund- | hmm, why do you have CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD64X=y ? |
| 13:05.48 | MacPlusG3 | snaund-: you shouldn't need ide-scsi anymore |
| 13:06.03 | LarstiQ | snaund-: probably because I'm lazy |
| 13:06.13 | snaund- | MacPlusG3: but do I want _both_ of them? |
| 13:06.43 | MacPlusG3 | snaund-: i think you need PCI IDE for Pmac IDE right? if so, both. and i think you need both anyway... |
| 13:07.27 | LarstiQ | I can say that config works for me, and I can use my ide burner |
| 13:07.51 | snaund- | hmm, yes, pmac ide dma doesn't compile w/o generic ide dma bus master, it seems |
| 13:08.40 | MacPlusG3 | ide-scsi is deprecated, everything should "just work" without it (for remotely recent versions of cdrecord) |
| 13:09.37 | medwards | "should" is such a treacherous word ... |
| 13:11.54 | snaund- | oh well, it seems to be compiling |
| 13:12.14 | LarstiQ | "seems" is another of those treacherous words |
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| 13:28.29 | snaund_ | hmm, looks like you need i2c as well |
| 13:29.07 | medwards | if I had the option of ide-scsi or i2c, right now I'd go with ide-scsi |
| 13:30.05 | snaund_ | no, i mean my kernel doesn't link w/o i2c |
| 13:30.28 | snaund_ | it's not related to the ide-scsi stuff, i'm just trying to get a compiling/booting kernel first |
| 13:30.54 | MacPlusG3 | yeah i2c does a lot of important things |
| 13:31.27 | medwards | indeed it does. |
| 13:31.28 | snaund_ | lots of things seem to use it, but i've never really understood what it's used for |
| 13:32.13 | medwards | control protocol for lots of low-pin-count devices, especially from Philips |
| 13:32.42 | medwards | audio codecs, video DACs, that sort of thing |
| 13:32.58 | snaund_ | hmm, i see |
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| 13:41.40 | snaund | ok, it seems to boot :) |
| 13:41.49 | MacPlusG3 | that's good :) |
| 13:41.50 | snaund | what's the recommendation for my ide burner specifically? |
| 13:41.54 | MacPlusG3 | apt-get install boot-icons |
| 13:41.56 | MacPlusG3 | it's cool |
| 13:42.02 | snaund | yes... booting is good |
| 13:42.18 | LarstiQ | snaund: I dunno, is it like mine? :) |
| 13:42.25 | snaund | this whole excercise is to create a CD to boot another box from :) |
| 13:42.47 | Bor_Ed | shit :)) http://karju.uwasa.fi/cgi-bin/auction.pl?category=mac&item=1075121121 :P |
| 13:42.55 | snaund | LarstiQ: i dunno... its a MATSHITAPD-2 LF-D110, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 13:44.10 | snaund | which i seem to recall is meant to be a CD-R as well |
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| 13:46.00 | LarstiQ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.02 | LarstiQ | that is mine |
| 13:46.15 | snaund | LarstiQ: and it burns? |
| 13:46.35 | LarstiQ | yup |
| 13:49.19 | snaund | hmm, i'm trying confirm that mine is a CD-R as well |
| 13:49.23 | snaund | before I bother with drivers |
| 13:50.29 | snaund | is there a program that will query the drive, google isn't being too helpfup |
| 13:50.29 | MacPlusG3 | just see if nautilus-cd-burner picks it up :) |
| 13:50.41 | MacPlusG3 | or cdrecord --scanbus (i think) |
| 13:51.04 | LarstiQ | cdrecord -scanbus needs ide-scsi/ide-cd in right order for me, but then it lists the information |
| 13:51.12 | snaund | MacPlusG3: that would require the drivers... |
| 13:51.33 | MacPlusG3 | snaund: if you've got it recognised, the drivers should be there. don't need anything special |
| 13:51.48 | MacPlusG3 | i.e. everything should "just work" |
| 13:51.59 | snaund | MacPlusG3: that's just recognised as an ATAPI CD-ROM |
| 13:52.06 | snaund | MacPlusG3: from dmesg |
| 13:54.20 | MacPlusG3 | hrrm.. cdrecord -scanbus dumps my ibook into xmon. |
| 13:54.30 | LarstiQ | great |
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| 13:59.49 | snaund- | hmm, looks like maybe it doesn't do cd-r :( |
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| 16:46.13 | Bor_Ed | does anyone happen to know where I can find floppy image which has stuffit expander and so on ... I used to have the floppy but don't find it anymore :I |
| 16:46.45 | Bor_Ed | google isn't too helpfull either |
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| 16:55.05 | benoit | hi there |
| 16:55.13 | benoit | searching for info on pmu99 |
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| 18:01.39 | simonrvn | hi |
| 18:01.58 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: try www.aladdinsys.com |
| 18:02.31 | chris`laptop | booooored |
| 18:02.34 | Bor_Ed | it's stuffit packaged with binhex ... no go |
| 18:02.39 | chris`laptop | Why am I in a sparc asm class |
| 18:02.49 | Bor_Ed | I don't have a shite on HD image |
| 18:02.51 | chris`laptop | Why is sparc asm even taught here |
| 18:03.08 | Bor_Ed | sparc asm... wee |
| 18:03.11 | simonrvn | heh |
| 18:03.21 | chris`laptop | If they taught x86 asm I'd understand |
| 18:03.23 | chris`laptop | But sparc!? |
| 18:03.29 | Bor_Ed | I have enough grey hair by trying 65xx asm :P |
| 18:04.05 | sloopy | chris`work: if they taught x86 asm they would need a new instructor every semester because the old one whould need a trip to the funny farm ;'D |
| 18:04.12 | chris`laptop | heh |
| 18:04.25 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: 65xx asm is easy... |
| 18:04.32 | chris`laptop | I've known most of what we've gone over so far |
| 18:04.58 | Bor_Ed | sloopy, not with 32 bit maths :P |
| 18:05.34 | sloopy | well i learned 65xx asm in early 80's 32bits was considered 'big iron' work ;') |
| 18:05.56 | Bor_Ed | I've seen some demos etc with 32 bit arithmetics |
| 18:06.13 | Bor_Ed | C=Hacking is such a nice mag (ftp.funet.fi/pub/cbm :) |
| 18:07.42 | sloopy | although my first 'computer' was a vic-20 i still liked the atari 8bits alot better... |
| 18:08.08 | Bor_Ed | my first was vic-20 too... in '83 :) |
| 18:13.07 | sloopy | i gto mine about ~82-83 before that i had a kim-1 clone a friend of mine made and then didnt really use... |
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| 18:13.37 | sloopy | i used that for a while and someone gave me a broken atari 800... |
| 18:14.13 | Bor_Ed | I'd need to start up project to hack C=64 with '816 or build '816 SBC (a bit like kim :) |
| 18:14.18 | sloopy | which i put a new rom board in used for a little bit and then a older friend went to college and loaned me his C-64... |
| 18:17.15 | sloopy | yeah i had a friend who i met when i was like 17 who made a homebrew '816... i put a 802 in my atari 800 and played with it but didnt care much for it... |
| 18:19.17 | Bor_Ed | I had C=64 at ~2 MHz (and it eventually went in air as smoke) |
| 18:19.38 | Bor_Ed | just needed couple of ttls .. I think it was too much for the cpu :P |
| 18:23.01 | jaska | heh, most dvd drives are combo. |
| 18:23.26 | Bor_Ed | as in ? |
| 18:24.18 | sloopy | atari's ran native at 1.79Mhz, and 2.2Mhz for PAL machines... |
| 18:24.33 | Bor_Ed | ouch |
| 18:24.48 | Bor_Ed | and my C=64's run at 970KHz :P |
| 18:24.48 | sloopy | i did get a 65CE02 running in mine,,, |
| 18:25.50 | sloopy | because of dma from the video chip effective cpu speed was 1.5 Mhz, but you could blank the screen to speed it up |
| 18:26.13 | Bor_Ed | same on commies |
| 18:27.41 | sloopy | did you ever see the 65CE02's ? they were a cool chip... all instruction ran in the number of cycles required for mem acces... |
| 18:29.00 | Bor_Ed | umm, only seen 'c' vers |
| 18:29.02 | Bor_Ed | not the ces |
| 18:29.19 | sloopy | brb sons diaper is starting to make the paint peel.. |
| 18:32.13 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 18:32.22 | Bor_Ed | wee, finally found floppy image with stuffit |
| 18:33.56 | Bor_Ed | http://www.kearney.net/~mhoffman/basiliskII/system753_tutorial/linux/ |
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| 18:43.30 | sloopy | damn EPA came to the door and was asking about holes in the ozone layer over my house.... |
| 18:44.26 | simonrvn | damn, nasty |
| 18:44.40 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: yay |
| 18:45.08 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn ?-p |
| 18:45.31 | simonrvn | that you found the floppy |
| 18:45.37 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 18:46.09 | Bor_Ed | helps out _a bit_ on real deal here I think (lc is gonna get cat&mouse and shitload of other games as soon as I get fetch or nutscrape installed :) |
| 18:47.41 | Bor_Ed | hmm, '020 is pretty slow on .sit.hqx extracting :o |
| 18:47.45 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: sweet... what are you doing with an LC? |
| 18:47.48 | Bor_Ed | (can't run with fpu enabled) |
| 18:47.53 | Bor_Ed | sloopy, kids box :) |
| 18:48.13 | sloopy | the LC was a waste when it was made... get something newer... |
| 18:48.18 | Bor_Ed | I have IIci project here to get aux on it ... have install medium already but haven't got it to boot install floppy |
| 18:48.40 | Bor_Ed | umm, lc475 is plenty enough for 5 years old kid methinks :) |
| 18:49.19 | sloopy | two days ago i just gutted a IIci to use as a box to store cables etc in... i figured it was better then card board cause the boy cant open it... |
| 18:49.38 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 18:50.19 | sloopy | there is a guy on the debian m68k mailing list offereing Q605's for the cost of shipping to people who can use them... |
| 18:50.51 | Bor_Ed | gee |
| 18:50.55 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: you have a lot of games for that machine? |
| 18:50.58 | Bor_Ed | I wish I lived in yankees |
| 18:51.06 | Bor_Ed | sloopy, there's shitload to get from web |
| 18:51.22 | Bor_Ed | I have only couple installed, puzzle, tetris and ninja :P |
| 18:51.28 | sloopy | yeah was gonna give you a link... i have 1.5gigs of old games... |
| 18:51.36 | Bor_Ed | aww |
| 18:51.56 | Bor_Ed | shoot the url (if those work on lc040 with 36 megs :) |
| 18:52.00 | dman13 | sloopy: yeah? what is the Q605? how useful is it? like, could it be used as a web/email terminal in a low(no)-budget lab? |
| 18:52.25 | Bor_Ed | dman13, easily to be used as web/mail term |
| 18:52.30 | Bor_Ed | www.apple-history.com |
| 18:52.43 | sloopy | dman13: it is a 25Mhz LC040... |
| 18:52.48 | dman13 | Bor_Ed: thanks. I just might have a use for them, then. |
| 18:53.13 | dman13 | I'm not familiar (at all) with Apple/Mac hardware, I just know that the CPU's architecture is better than x86 :-) |
| 18:53.39 | sloopy | I'm involved with Washington Apple Pi, an Apple user group that receives |
| 18:53.40 | sloopy | donations of used Apple equipment, which we typically redistribute to |
| 18:53.40 | sloopy | schools and such. Given that the supply of 68K hardware greatly exceeds |
| 18:53.40 | sloopy | demand, we're delighted to give it away to someone who can use it and |
| 18:53.40 | sloopy | reclaim the space it occupies. |
| 18:53.46 | sloopy | is the main text... |
| 18:54.18 | sloopy | Let me know if there's something you'd like, but understand there are more |
| 18:54.19 | sloopy | Quadra 605's than 650's. :-) And you'll have to pick it up or cover |
| 18:54.19 | sloopy | shipping yourself. WAP is in the Washington (DC) area, of course, in |
| 18:54.19 | sloopy | Maryland to be specific. |
| 18:55.08 | sloopy | wanderer@metamage.com |
| 18:55.12 | sloopy | is the email... |
| 18:55.34 | dman13 | sloopy: thanks. I'll look for the message in the archives later |
| 18:55.34 | sloopy | put a full 040 and you have a half decent linux server... |
| 18:55.42 | dman13 | :-) |
| 18:55.44 | dman13 | 040? |
| 18:55.57 | sloopy | its not debian m68k... it is in the linux-m68k mailing list... |
| 18:56.11 | dman13 | ok, that's good to know :-) |
| 18:57.23 | dman13 | Hmm, a 25MHz 68k could be at least as fast as a 66MHz i486 DX2, right? (performance-wise, not internal clock speed) |
| 18:57.46 | sloopy | pretty much yeah... |
| 19:02.31 | sloopy | unless you want this machine i am using now :') |
| 19:03.25 | dman13 | what machine is that? |
| 19:04.03 | sloopy | 9600/350 |
| 19:04.21 | sloopy | sh: line 1: cat/proc/cpuinfo: No such file or directory |
| 19:04.30 | sloopy | processor: 0 |
| 19:04.30 | sloopy | cpu: 604ev |
| 19:04.30 | sloopy | clock: 350MHz |
| 19:04.30 | sloopy | revision: 1.0 (pvr 000a 0100) |
| 19:04.30 | sloopy | bogomips: 349.79 |
| 19:04.30 | sloopy | machine: Power Macintosh |
| 19:04.33 | sloopy | motherboard: AAPL,9500 MacRISC |
| 19:04.34 | sloopy | detected as: 16 (PowerMac 9500/9600) |
| 19:04.36 | sloopy | pmac flags: 00000000 |
| 19:04.38 | sloopy | L2 cache: 256K unified |
| 19:04.40 | sloopy | memory: 384MB |
| 19:04.42 | sloopy | l2cr override: 0xb9180000 |
| 19:04.44 | sloopy | pmac-generation: OldWorld |
| 19:05.05 | dman13 | that sounds decent - 350MHz + 384MB RAM |
| 19:05.20 | sloopy | only comes with 256megs of ram |
| 19:05.39 | sloopy | (the other 128 is actually flakey and i wouldnt feel right selling it... |
| 19:06.12 | sloopy | if you plan on running linux it would have a 4gig HD if you run mac os a 18gig... |
| 19:06.47 | sloopy | it even has 6 PCI slots :') |
| 19:07.08 | dman13 | I'm hoping to get a new G5 at work (which will be my first non-x86 machine) |
| 19:07.38 | sloopy | sweet... |
| 19:07.43 | dman13 | that's why I've started looking at more ppc info, so I have an idea what I'm getting into |
| 19:09.49 | sloopy | this is the fastest non-G3 mac apple ever made... |
| 19:10.39 | dman13 | I remember when the PowerPC first came out. I thought it was meant to run windows stuff on macos (hence the name). |
| 19:10.47 | dman13 | that was a while ago :-) |
| 19:12.33 | sloopy | yeah it has been around a year or two... |
| 19:12.35 | Bor_Ed | homer installed, nutscrape going on (on basilisk) |
| 19:12.43 | sloopy | you can put a G3 or G4 in it... |
| 19:13.02 | sloopy | homer!!! i havnt seen homer in years! |
| 19:13.05 | Bor_Ed | same here |
| 19:13.10 | Bor_Ed | back in '98 last time :) |
| 19:14.14 | Bor_Ed | tho it was pretty umm, weird... I was on some chan and all the sudden in schools public area one chick started 'cyber' with me :P |
| 19:14.29 | sloopy | i had gotten the source to Ircle 1.5 and converted it from pascal to C and extended it and used that... until my c compiler stopped working... (when os 8 came out and then started using shadowirc... |
| 19:14.31 | Bor_Ed | speech synth ofcourse on :P |
| 19:14.56 | sloopy | lol |
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| 19:16.04 | sloopy | at uni of Delaware it was common for someone to be using one of the sparc's or sun 3's for that matter and someone rlogin and play an audio file... love making was most common... |
| 19:16.07 | Bor_Ed | hmm, does lc475 and IIci have superdrives ? |
| 19:16.15 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: yea |
| 19:16.31 | Bor_Ed | ok so image I dd here should run ? |
| 19:17.04 | Bor_Ed | (IIci ate aux boot floppy and it's still in the drive :() |
| 19:17.06 | sloopy | if it is HFS |
| 19:17.14 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 19:17.45 | sloopy | only 128,512,512ke, plus, early SE, and mac II didnt have superdrive... |
| 19:18.15 | Bor_Ed | so it's the drive that's bugging (floppy was new) |
| 19:18.16 | simonrvn | yup |
| 19:18.18 | sloopy | and the 128, 512, had the 400k floppy |
| 19:18.30 | Bor_Ed | buggr |
| 19:18.40 | Bor_Ed | any way to get the floppy out from drive ? |
| 19:18.55 | Bor_Ed | (doesn't show on desktop and didn't find panic button on drive) |
| 19:19.04 | sloopy | there is a small hole to the right put a paper clip in it... |
| 19:19.24 | Bor_Ed | didn't do a thing... that was first I tried :P |
| 19:19.50 | sloopy | didnt push the paper clip in far enough... goes in 2-3 inches... |
| 19:19.58 | sloopy | er 1-2inches |
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| 19:20.32 | dho | hello |
| 19:20.39 | Bor_Ed | it stops at ~1/4" :o |
| 19:20.43 | sloopy | if the drive sucked it in the it should eject it... if no pull the machine apart and manually eject... |
| 19:21.18 | Bor_Ed | can't get to dang floppy drive, the casing has some weird lock somewhere :) |
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| 19:21.30 | sloopy | open the top... |
| 19:21.35 | dho | hi, im really new to this. can someone help me get audio working |
| 19:21.41 | dho | i have a g3 imac 500 |
| 19:21.52 | simonrvn | @+audio |
| 19:21.54 | ravenbird | To configure sound in Debian: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in. If you don't know what driver to use, start with "lspci -v" - on Mac PPCs it's dmasound_\*. dmasound is buggy, so you might want to look into ALSA. Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. |
| 19:22.01 | sloopy | lift the P/S there is a latch in the front (between the p/s and the floppy/hd) that holds it in... |
| 19:22.04 | dho | i dont know what to install or how to test |
| 19:22.21 | dho | ravenbird: and how many wpm do you type? |
| 19:22.22 | ravenbird | bugger all, i dunno, dho |
| 19:22.31 | dho | :) |
| 19:23.07 | Bor_Ed | hmm, next stop, tcp networking on 7.5.3 inside emu ... |
| 19:23.33 | simonrvn | dho: probably 1000 wpm ;P |
| 19:23.53 | sloopy | after that there is a screw that holds the floppy/hd cage in... remove it then the cage |
| 19:24.18 | simonrvn | modprobe dmasound_pmac |
| 19:24.33 | dho | after i installed, it beeped funkily |
| 19:24.35 | simonrvn | then add dmasound_pmac to /etc/modules |
| 19:24.38 | dho | sounds good |
| 19:24.47 | dho | hold on leme take this slow |
| 19:24.57 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: get those instructions? |
| 19:25.02 | Bor_Ed | sloopy, up |
| 19:25.05 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 19:25.29 | Bor_Ed | I'll search the screw tomorrow... watching codename swordfish no :) |
| 19:25.31 | Bor_Ed | now |
| 19:25.37 | dho | modprobe dmasound_pmac just returned me to the next line. thats good right? |
| 19:25.54 | simonrvn | yes |
| 19:25.59 | dman13 | dho: yes. generally on unix successful commands don't report anything, only errors are reported |
| 19:26.02 | sloopy | the screw is easy to see... the hardest part is removing the p/s |
| 19:26.03 | chris`laptop | hrmm, so MOL uses the OSX drivers / etc, so in theory doesn't that mean my Airport Extreme would work in MOL? |
| 19:26.41 | dho | i doubt ae would work though |
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| 19:26.55 | P_ablo | df -k gives me filesystems like : /dev/disk0s9 with mount point /, devfs with /dev, fdesc with /dev and <volfs> with ./vol |
| 19:27.07 | chris`laptop | dho: That's what I'm wondering, if MOL bypasses the linux device layer then it could be possible |
| 19:27.10 | simonrvn | success = exit 0 |
| 19:27.13 | chris`laptop | But if it required them then it won't work |
| 19:27.18 | simonrvn | or error: success |
| 19:27.39 | Bor_Ed | aww, mockos crashed :o |
| 19:27.49 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: which version? |
| 19:27.59 | Bor_Ed | 7.5.3 |
| 19:28.04 | simonrvn | P_ablo: and? what's the problem exactly? |
| 19:28.11 | sloopy | hmmm that is one of the more stable versions... |
| 19:28.13 | P_ablo | i cant install anything etc. |
| 19:28.13 | chris`laptop | 3 hours till my next class, this sounds like a good time to get MOL setup |
| 19:28.25 | P_ablo | debian isnt workjing as it should :) |
| 19:28.30 | simonrvn | ow |
| 19:28.36 | P_ablo | s/workjing/working |
| 19:28.38 | simonrvn | stop doing that |
| 19:28.45 | simonrvn | :) |
| 19:29.00 | simonrvn | @kick chris`laptop |
| 19:29.00 | ravenbird | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 19:29.04 | Bor_Ed | sloopy, I'll get 7.5.6 when I've fooled around a bit :P |
| 19:29.05 | chris`laptop | woohoo! |
| 19:29.07 | simonrvn | fuck you too rb |
| 19:29.33 | sloopy | there is no 7.5.6, you mean 7.6.1? |
| 19:29.35 | chris`laptop | simonrvn: rb loves me more! |
| 19:29.47 | dho | ravenbird i installed the module and added myself to audio, so now i relogin |
| 19:29.48 | ravenbird | dho: You are moron #1 |
| 19:29.56 | dho | huh |
| 19:30.01 | dho | wtf did i do? |
| 19:30.06 | sk1p | lol :> |
| 19:30.09 | chris`laptop | dho: You're speaking to a bot |
| 19:30.18 | dho | lol |
| 19:30.24 | dho | smart bot |
| 19:30.50 | dho | well he/she answered my question |
| 19:31.08 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: dont run 7.6.1 on a LC just run 7.5.3 |
| 19:31.18 | Bor_Ed | sloopy, on basilisk |
| 19:31.36 | dho | chris'laptop have you been able to get molaudio to work with panther? |
| 19:31.42 | Bor_Ed | I'll get finnish update to the lc so that kid can use it as soon as she learns to read :) |
| 19:31.51 | sloopy | on basilisk.... hmmm on a real mac i would run 7.5.3 or 8.1 |
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| 19:32.11 | Bor_Ed | don't have 8.1 here :I |
| 19:32.14 | simonrvn | bwahahaha |
| 19:32.17 | simonrvn | @kick chris`laptop |
| 19:32.18 | dho | be back soon i hope |
| 19:32.28 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: finnish? |
| 19:32.35 | simonrvn | @kick chris`laptop |
| 19:32.35 | ravenbird | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 19:32.40 | simonrvn | bs |
| 19:32.51 | simonrvn | @lart chris`laptop |
| 19:32.53 | sloopy | @kick simonrvn |
| 19:32.55 | simonrvn | w00t |
| 19:32.59 | chris`laptop | I AM INVINCIBLE! |
| 19:33.01 | sloopy | lol |
| 19:33.01 | chris`laptop | :) |
| 19:33.02 | simonrvn | @lart chris`laptop |
| 19:33.07 | chris`laptop | ew |
| 19:33.11 | simonrvn | @lart chris`laptop |
| 19:33.17 | sloopy | @kick chris`laptop |
| 19:33.19 | simonrvn | @lart chris`laptop |
| 19:33.20 | Bor_Ed | sloopy, finnish |
| 19:33.33 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: as in the lang of finland? |
| 19:33.39 | Bor_Ed | the same |
| 19:33.52 | sloopy | you dont have a finnish version of mac os? |
| 19:34.01 | Bor_Ed | only ppc ver :I |
| 19:34.12 | Bor_Ed | 7.5-k1 or such |
| 19:34.31 | sloopy | 7.5 is 68k/ppc |
| 19:34.46 | sloopy | unless it is a flakey finnish only version... |
| 19:34.50 | Bor_Ed | umm, the cd cover says ppc |
| 19:35.16 | Bor_Ed | tho I think finnish update over english 7.5.x fixes the lang ? |
| 19:35.35 | sloopy | mac os wasnt ppc only until 8.5 and before that only cd's that came with a specific machine wouldnt load on all machines... |
| 19:35.39 | simonrvn | possibly. i think it does |
| 19:35.42 | sloopy | i dont think it does... |
| 19:35.56 | simonrvn | but doesn't always work.. |
| 19:35.59 | Bor_Ed | that's what I'm counting on ... the update after all updates core components |
| 19:36.17 | sloopy | i dont know much about finnish... al my non-english customers were japanese... |
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| 19:36.22 | simonrvn | it should then |
| 19:36.36 | dho | how do i test to see if audio is working? |
| 19:36.53 | Bor_Ed | well this evening playing on basilisk, tomorrow start to hack together something on lc (and setup atalkd :) |
| 19:37.02 | dho | any linux audio apps that i could get easily |
| 19:37.07 | Bor_Ed | dho, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 19:37.13 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: you have enet card in the lc? |
| 19:37.20 | Bor_Ed | sloopy, ofcourse :P |
| 19:37.29 | dho | Bor_Ed urandom? |
| 19:37.34 | Bor_Ed | dho, yup |
| 19:37.40 | Bor_Ed | gives nice disco beat :P |
| 19:37.45 | sk1p | haha :P |
| 19:37.48 | sloopy | dho: and cover yer ears :') |
| 19:37.52 | Bor_Ed | lol |
| 19:37.54 | dho | device or |
| 19:37.58 | dho | resource busy |
| 19:38.05 | Bor_Ed | aww |
| 19:38.17 | sk1p | kde? artsd? ;) |
| 19:38.17 | dho | i have mol open if that counts |
| 19:38.18 | Bor_Ed | kill artsd, esd or whatever you run with WM |
| 19:38.23 | Bor_Ed | that counts |
| 19:38.36 | dho | shuting it down now |
| 19:38.49 | sloopy | i wish my sound worked :'/ |
| 19:38.51 | dho | how loud will it be? |
| 19:38.57 | Bor_Ed | loud enough |
| 19:39.16 | dho | got some headphones ready in case its loud enough to wake my sis |
| 19:39.24 | Bor_Ed | it is :P |
| 19:39.40 | sloopy | it should be loud enough to wake neighbors sis... |
| 19:39.40 | dho | not done running, but so far no noise |
| 19:39.55 | dho | did i need to do that as root? |
| 19:39.58 | Bor_Ed | fix volume on aumix |
| 19:40.01 | Bor_Ed | nopw |
| 19:40.19 | dho | its not doing anything |
| 19:40.21 | dho | no noise |
| 19:40.39 | dho | i havnt rebooted since i installed dmasound |
| 19:40.50 | dho | both of em, core and pmac |
| 19:41.13 | dho | any ideas? |
| 19:42.05 | dman13 | dho: fyi, 'cat /dev/urandom' will never stop running until you terminate it |
| 19:42.05 | dho | well im gunna reboot |
| 19:42.22 | dho | the silence isnt really bothering me |
| 19:42.35 | dho | gunna reboot |
| 19:42.47 | sloopy | silence deafening? |
| 19:43.39 | Bor_Ed | umm |
| 19:43.43 | Bor_Ed | reboot ?-o |
| 19:45.25 | simonrvn | i have no idea... some people's children |
| 19:46.11 | Bor_Ed | I had to do cold boot today for a change when tried to access buggr cdrom (drive is about dead) |
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| 19:49.46 | Bor_Ed | aww buggr, nutscrape 4.0.8 requires os 7.6.1 or newer :I |
| 19:51.10 | sloopy | yeah you need probly a 3 verion... |
| 19:51.17 | Bor_Ed | and mockos crashed again... this time while launching homer :I |
| 19:51.32 | sloopy | homer is known for crashes... |
| 19:51.34 | Bor_Ed | it requires fpu ? |
| 19:51.50 | Bor_Ed | never crashed on poly :o |
| 19:52.18 | sloopy | fpu error was the last error in the list, so if it couldnt find another reason it said fpu error... |
| 19:52.36 | sloopy | in mac os you will never see a fpu error and it actually mean it... |
| 19:52.37 | Bor_Ed | crashed/rebooted with error 11 |
| 19:52.58 | sloopy | type 11 is the 'hey somethings wrong' error... |
| 19:53.12 | Bor_Ed | I have '020 emu up because this doesn't cut on '030+'882 :P |
| 19:55.03 | sloopy | what machine are you running this on? |
| 19:55.07 | Bor_Ed | can't init tcp ... and I put localtalk with ethernet up with dynamic up catch (also enabled on basilisk conf |
| 19:55.13 | Bor_Ed | 601/90 running sid |
| 19:56.58 | sloopy | install a debian package? |
| 19:57.10 | Bor_Ed | installed from apt |
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| 19:57.31 | dho | still cant get audio to work |
| 19:57.33 | sloopy | hmmm... |
| 19:57.40 | Bor_Ed | wee, I don't have keyboard on basilisk :o |
| 19:57.48 | dho | i modeprobed dmasound_core and dmasound_pmac |
| 19:57.49 | dho | fine |
| 19:57.54 | dho | adduser d audio |
| 19:58.07 | dho | opened a mp3 in xxms and no audio |
| 19:58.12 | Bor_Ed | su -c'echo "dmasound_pmac" >> /etc/modules' |
| 19:58.13 | dho | made sure to turn up volume |
| 19:58.20 | dho | brb phone |
| 19:58.27 | Bor_Ed | check the mute off |
| 19:58.40 | dho | how do i do that? |
| 19:58.50 | Bor_Ed | aumix |
| 19:59.21 | dho | ok install aumix |
| 19:59.25 | dho | ing |
| 20:00.03 | dho | woops my packages are out of date |
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| 20:02.36 | Bor_Ed | can not load /dev/sheep_net ... wtf ? |
| 20:02.44 | dho | in aumis how do i get the the left colum to turn volume up |
| 20:02.56 | Bor_Ed | arrow right-left |
| 20:03.05 | dho | oh i was doing that |
| 20:03.09 | dho | its not working |
| 20:03.12 | Bor_Ed | and tab moves between the thingys |
| 20:03.33 | dho | right left seems to togle thr r -l audio ballance not the selection |
| 20:03.42 | dho | oh |
| 20:03.43 | dho | got it |
| 20:03.50 | dho | xmms stil not working |
| 20:04.09 | Bor_Ed | space selects/deselects the options (mute/record etc) |
| 20:04.16 | dho | SWEET I GOT IT |
| 20:04.37 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 20:05.08 | dho | listens to arnold schwartwhatever prank call |
| 20:05.27 | Bor_Ed | you had audio muted ?-) |
| 20:05.29 | dho | thanks guys |
| 20:05.34 | dho | i guess so |
| 20:05.44 | dho | now i have it up one notch and its real oud |
| 20:05.47 | Bor_Ed | nice to hear you solved it :) |
| 20:06.04 | dho | :) |
| 20:06.12 | dho | now lets see if molaudio REALLY works |
| 20:06.26 | dho | now lets see if molaudio REALLY works |
| 20:06.30 | dho | woops |
| 20:06.36 | sloopy | yes it does... |
| 20:06.39 | dho | i hit the up arow and enter think i was in a shell |
| 20:06.57 | Bor_Ed | aww buggr, I still don't have keyboard on emu... only mouse :o (and selected finnish KB) |
| 20:07.03 | sloopy | if you were in a shell hitting period and enter does the same thing.... |
| 20:08.03 | dho | hmm |
| 20:08.03 | dho | ok |
| 20:08.07 | dho | well molaudio works |
| 20:08.20 | dho | using the defualt installer it didnt |
| 20:08.28 | dho | i had to download a newer os x drivers package |
| 20:08.46 | Bor_Ed | woody packages aren't really up-to-date |
| 20:09.17 | dho | despite their being "unstable" |
| 20:09.47 | dman13 | Bor_Ed: naturally - they're "woody" :-) |
| 20:10.00 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 20:10.10 | Bor_Ed | rocksolid but way outdated |
| 20:10.23 | sloopy | hey how can i find out which cd basilisk is on in the 6 cd's? |
| 20:10.24 | dman13 | it's too bad the release cycle hasn't gotten any shorter lately |
| 20:10.40 | sloopy | debian has a release cycle? |
| 20:10.51 | dman13 | sloopy: one way is to mount each cd via loopback and look for it |
| 20:10.54 | dho | anyon know of an app that lets me be a wifi basestaion |
| 20:11.03 | dho | like internet sharing in os x cept in linux |
| 20:11.26 | dman13 | you might be able to find out by looking at the Packages files |
| 20:11.28 | sloopy | dman13: short of mounting them all... (why use a loopback?) |
| 20:11.39 | dho | dman: as in dslect? |
| 20:11.54 | dman13 | sloopy: I'm assuming you wanted to avoid burning 6 cds for just one package :-) |
| 20:12.40 | dman13 | dho: I don't know about WiFi, I meant that for sloopy |
| 20:12.40 | dho | oh ok |
| 20:12.40 | dman13 | dho: but using dselect, aptitude or apt-cache search may help |
| 20:13.29 | sloopy | no cd's are already burned... |
| 20:13.38 | dho | hmmm |
| 20:13.47 | Bor_Ed | sloopy, apt-cache search basilisk|less |
| 20:14.01 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: this isnt my debian machine ;') |
| 20:14.09 | Bor_Ed | aww |
| 20:15.14 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I'll get the dang mockos install images from apple site and reinstall the buggr, seems that my image isn't working too well (dang KB) |
| 20:20.34 | dho | where do i get the sheepnet driver |
| 20:20.38 | dho | (for mol) |
| 20:21.29 | Bor_Ed | having same prob with basilisk :) |
| 20:21.55 | sloopy | MOL should use the tun driver IIRC |
| 20:22.02 | dho | ok |
| 20:22.08 | dho | il config that instead |
| 20:22.14 | dho | i just remember having issues with it before |
| 20:22.29 | dho | just in case, how would i get the sheep driver? |
| 20:22.49 | sloopy | dunno... i use tun |
| 20:23.49 | dho | to use tun am i required to install a dhcp server? |
| 20:24.12 | simonrvn | sheep comes with the mol-modules(-source) |
| 20:24.28 | dho | huh |
| 20:24.43 | dho | mol-modules(-soucre)??? |
| 20:25.09 | simonrvn | mol-modules-$(kernel version) if you prefer... |
| 20:25.24 | dho | um ok |
| 20:26.44 | dho | i have that installed yet it says i have no sheep driver |
| 20:27.56 | simonrvn | try depmod -a, then update-modules. maybe it'll find it then |
| 20:28.06 | dho | ok |
| 20:28.44 | dho | ah, ha |
| 20:28.48 | dho | unresolved symbol |
| 20:28.50 | dho | s |
| 20:29.04 | dho | kahlua and sheep.o |
| 20:29.45 | simonrvn | that's why it won't load then |
| 20:30.21 | dman13 | say, how do I boot a G4 from the CD? |
| 20:30.36 | comar | dho: did you compile the drivers against the running kernel sources ? |
| 20:30.36 | dman13 | is there any magic "BIOS"-like stuff that needs to be set? |
| 20:30.41 | simonrvn | dman13: hold c down after the boing with the cd iserted |
| 20:30.58 | Bor_Ed | dman13, or use the cd mentioned on /topic |
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| 20:31.27 | dman13 | simonrvn: bingo. thanks. |
| 20:33.45 | dman13 | Wow. The installer isn't so slow when run on something faster than a i486 66MHz and 32MB RAM :-) |
| 20:34.09 | simonrvn | duh ;) |
| 20:34.29 | Bor_Ed | hey, 486dx2/50 with 16 megs didn't do bad job on netinst :P |
| 20:34.40 | dman13 | yeah :-) |
| 20:35.09 | dman13 | the only machine I could try the new installer on was an old 486 I have (surprise-surprise the Sony CD drive actually worked that time) |
| 20:35.09 | Bor_Ed | (my lan server :) |
| 20:35.22 | dman13 | so I was kinda used to it taking 15-30 minutes for some of the loading portions |
| 20:36.05 | dman13 | hmm, the default mode though won't let me skip network configuration. I hit enter on the "Mount CD" menu item and it runs net config anyways |
| 20:37.50 | Bor_Ed | I haven't tried the new installer... did woody install and did dist-upgrade to sid straight after |
| 20:38.59 | dman13 | I tried it on the 486 first. It worked there (once I got through some ISA device conflicts) |
| 20:39.46 | dman13 | the expert mode is working correctly so far (on this G4) |
| 20:40.14 | Bor_Ed | I kinda prefer to textmode(ncurses) installers ... way clearer and less bloated |
| 20:40.47 | dman13 | it is (at least both times I booted it) |
| 20:41.11 | dman13 | it looks like the woody installer, but is capable of more language characters and behaves a bit differently in a few ways |
| 20:41.14 | dman13 | mostly better :-) |
| 20:41.39 | Bor_Ed | I'd like to be able to select right KB on woody installer... no luck |
| 20:41.46 | dman13 | hmm, no "cfdisk" for ppc? |
| 20:41.58 | simonrvn | oh cool. did you do it via debootstrap, or oh, nm :) |
| 20:42.19 | Bor_Ed | no cfdisk |
| 20:42.27 | Bor_Ed | mac-fdisk is way enough |
| 20:42.51 | simonrvn | does the job well |
| 20:42.57 | dman13 | mac-fdisk looks like fdisk. I like the UI of cfdisk better. |
| 20:43.01 | dman13 | oh well |
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| 20:45.20 | Bor_Ed | you can always port the cfdisk to support apple partition maps and so on... it's free source you know :) |
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| 20:46.02 | dman13 | uh-huh :-) |
| 20:46.13 | dman13 | I don't think I'm likely to use it enough to bother |
| 20:46.37 | dman13 | but it would be a good design if the front-end could have different (PC, Mac, etc.) back-ends plugged into it |
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| 20:48.00 | acemtp | hello |
| 20:48.10 | acemtp | i have some troubles |
| 20:48.58 | dman13 | since this is my first time with ppc, I figured I'd let the automatic partitioner do its job then see what happened after the fact. When I get to the "install yaboot" stage, I get the following error message : |
| 20:49.00 | Dizzutch | wattup acemtp |
| 20:49.31 | dman13 | "No hard disks were found which have an "Apple_Bootstrap" partition. You must create an 800k partition named "bootstrap", with type "Apple_Bootstrap"." |
| 20:49.45 | acemtp | i remove "auto eth0" from interfaces |
| 20:49.50 | dman13 | so, I guess I have to redo the partitions and reinstall the base system? |
| 20:49.51 | Dizzutch | ok |
| 20:49.52 | acemtp | how to "mount it"? |
| 20:50.00 | Dizzutch | ? |
| 20:50.06 | Dizzutch | you removed eth0 |
| 20:50.10 | simonrvn | dman13: got to vt2, run mac-fdisk yourself, do b for the NW bootstrap |
| 20:50.14 | acemtp | i just remove "auto eth0" |
| 20:50.20 | sloopy | If you dont choose this chipset i would suggest sticking with nVidia |
| 20:50.20 | sloopy | none the less, they do support Linux (or Xwindows should i say) alot |
| 20:50.20 | sloopy | more/better than other companies. |
| 20:50.21 | sloopy | ???? |
| 20:50.22 | Dizzutch | ok |
| 20:50.29 | simonrvn | dman13: and report a bug on that :) |
| 20:50.32 | Dizzutch | and now you want internet?? |
| 20:50.32 | acemtp | i try to configure airport |
| 20:50.36 | Dizzutch | ok |
| 20:50.45 | simonrvn | sloopy: whotf said that? |
| 20:50.45 | Dizzutch | ifup eth0 |
| 20:50.49 | acemtp | ifup ok |
| 20:50.50 | acemtp | thankyou |
| 20:51.05 | Bor_Ed | sloopy, nvidia ??? |
| 20:51.14 | Bor_Ed | they have w2k wrapper as linux drivers |
| 20:51.16 | sloopy | yeah... i was like WTF!!??!? |
| 20:51.24 | Bor_Ed | don't even know if they have non-x86 |
| 20:51.28 | sloopy | it is on debian-user mailing list... |
| 20:51.34 | Bor_Ed | geebus |
| 20:51.40 | sloopy | they dont have non-x86 |
| 20:51.44 | acemtp | where can i find a doc to configure airport for my ibook? |
| 20:52.28 | sloopy | alot of ppc linux people boycott nvidia... |
| 20:52.28 | Bor_Ed | google groups might have tips |
| 20:52.28 | dman13 | simonrvn: in mac-fdisk, I am told that "No partition map exists". !?!? however, the first of the 3 partitions (as reported by devfs) is mounted |
| 20:52.37 | Bor_Ed | sloopy, even if I'd use M$(craposx, I'd run ati |
| 20:52.58 | dman13 | simonrvn: does that sound like a weird installer bug to you? |
| 20:53.02 | Bor_Ed | (8500 or 9200 card :) |
| 20:53.05 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: i would use a 3dfx before nvidia... |
| 20:53.21 | dman13 | Bor_Ed: only 9600 and 9800 available with a G5 |
| 20:53.25 | Bor_Ed | wife's got v3/3000 on 98/drake dualboot |
| 20:53.43 | sloopy | this machine has a v3 2000 |
| 20:53.48 | simonrvn | dman13: no. do i to make a new partition map |
| 20:53.51 | Bor_Ed | dman13, on duals ... tho single has 9200 I recall |
| 20:53.57 | simonrvn | dman13: press ? for the help |
| 20:54.01 | simonrvn | or h.. |
| 20:54.10 | simonrvn | RTFM :) |
| 20:54.24 | Bor_Ed | lol |
| 20:54.48 | dman13 | simonrvn: oh, I thought the partition map would be created when the installer made the partitions |
| 20:54.59 | Bor_Ed | aww |
| 20:55.03 | chris`laptop | There isn't much sun in my office |
| 20:55.04 | dman13 | simonrvn: I thought it was like PC partition tables |
| 20:55.07 | chris`laptop | So.... stop kicking my desk |
| 20:55.09 | Bor_Ed | this is getting sooo unfriendly chan :P |
| 20:55.13 | acemtp | nobody installed aiport here? |
| 20:55.19 | simonrvn | dman13: no, it isn't like pc partition tables |
| 20:55.20 | JimButton | acemtp: yes, i did |
| 20:55.22 | JimButton | acemtp: why? |
| 20:55.33 | acemtp | JimButton: could you show me your config? |
| 20:55.39 | JimButton | acemtp: do you have airport or airport extreme? |
| 20:55.41 | acemtp | JimButton: do you use airport module? |
| 20:55.44 | acemtp | ajust airport |
| 20:56.07 | dman13 | Bor_Ed: apple's online store doesn't have a 9200 for any of the G5's, and a CompUSA rep said he didn't think it was available even on a "build to order" system |
| 20:56.08 | JimButton | yes, airport, orinoco and hermes modules are loaded |
| 20:56.15 | acemtp | i don't have airport module |
| 20:56.23 | acemtp | modconf doesn't display it |
| 20:56.23 | dman13 | Bor_Ed: though I wondered why they wouldn't let any AGP-compatible card be installed |
| 20:56.28 | JimButton | acemtp: then you may have to rebuild the kernel, don't know |
| 20:56.35 | dman13 | simonrvn: ok, I'll try creating the map and see what happens :-) |
| 20:56.47 | acemtp | JimButton: did you rebuild your kernel? |
| 20:56.54 | JimButton | acemtp: yes, but i always do that anyway |
| 20:57.07 | Bor_Ed | dman13, that's not what store here says ... 1.6GHz has 9200 :o |
| 20:57.10 | dman13 | simonrvn: ooh, creating the map didn't destroy the partitions :-) |
| 20:57.15 | acemtp | JimButton: what is the module drivers/wireless? |
| 20:57.26 | JimButton | acemtp: though i think the standard powerpc kernels should include the module airport |
| 20:57.33 | dman13 | simonrvn: (BTW, the installation howto is the x86 version; I didn't see any ppc notes when I skimed it over this time) |
| 20:57.35 | acemtp | JimButton: btw could you please show me yout interfaces conf? |
| 20:57.38 | JimButton | acemtp: oh, that is probably a directory |
| 20:57.40 | simonrvn | dman13: yeh, that happens occasionally, if they're the same size |
| 20:57.42 | JimButton | acemtp: look into it |
| 20:57.57 | acemtp | JimButton: it just what modconf display |
| 20:57.59 | simonrvn | dman13: after you write it i mean |
| 20:58.00 | JimButton | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 20:58.09 | JimButton | that is the line in /etc/interfaces |
| 20:58.32 | JimButton | acemtp: but you should be able to press "enter" on it |
| 20:58.40 | acemtp | JimButton: ok |
| 20:59.04 | JimButton | kernel/drivers/net/wireless here |
| 20:59.13 | JimButton | and in there i have airport, hermes and orinoco |
| 20:59.14 | acemtp | JimButton: exact! |
| 20:59.27 | acemtp | JimButton! thank you, i install the 3 mod you told? |
| 20:59.32 | sloopy | hmmm i am gonna go... i maybe back... depends on how this install goes... |
| 20:59.35 | JimButton | acemtp: yes, at least that is what i did |
| 20:59.36 | dman13 | Bor_Ed: I don't know where you're finding it, but http://store.apple.com doesn't have the 9200 in the drop-down menu |
| 20:59.40 | JimButton | acemtp: should work with that |
| 20:59.54 | acemtp | in fact these mod are already installed |
| 20:59.55 | chris`laptop | What do I hear about ibooks and debian? |
| 20:59.55 | dman13 | simonrvn: oh, actually, it did destroy the partitions (once I read the sizes more closely) |
| 21:00.02 | dman13 | simonrvn: definitely a bug to report :-) |
| 21:00.05 | JimButton | i don't even know whether one needs all 3 |
| 21:00.09 | Bor_Ed | dman13, haven't checked local dealer in a bit... they might have upgraded the specs |
| 21:00.18 | JimButton | chris`laptop: depends very much on the version of the ibook |
| 21:00.37 | chris`laptop | JimButton: yes, but which is he asking about |
| 21:01.00 | JimButton | oh |
| 21:01.41 | JimButton | don't know, who was asking anyway? :) |
| 21:01.44 | Bor_Ed | I need to wget http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_7.5_Version_7.5.3/* (and am too lazy to RTFM just now) ... what's the option to get the shite ? |
| 21:01.57 | JimButton | acemtp: if they are loaded, the kernel side of things should be fine |
| 21:02.20 | acemtp | ok |
| 21:02.40 | JimButton | acemtp: i have also installed wireless-tools |
| 21:03.38 | Bor_Ed | -m nor -r don't work :I |
| 21:03.51 | acemtp | JimButton: how to load it? with modprobe? |
| 21:03.59 | JimButton | acemtp: no, that is for kernel things |
| 21:04.11 | JimButton | acemtp: wireless-tools includes things like iwconfig |
| 21:04.18 | JimButton | similar to ifconfig |
| 21:04.31 | acemtp | ah ok |
| 21:04.34 | acemtp | i do that |
| 21:04.49 | JimButton | ok, i gotta get me something to eat |
| 21:04.51 | JimButton | good luck |
| 21:05.02 | JimButton | and wireless-tools should have some documentation how to get it running |
| 21:05.03 | acemtp | thank |
| 21:05.08 | acemtp | :) |
| 21:06.05 | simonrvn | dman13: that's not a bug |
| 21:06.47 | medwards | # Wireless interface |
| 21:06.47 | medwards | # |
| 21:06.47 | medwards | auto eth1 |
| 21:06.47 | medwards | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 21:06.47 | medwards | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.48 | medwards | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.50 | medwards | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.52 | medwards | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.54 | medwards | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.56 | medwards | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.58 | medwards | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.00 | medwards | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.02 | medwards | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.04 | medwards | It's pretty much that simple. |
| 21:07.06 | medwards | (in /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 21:07.13 | acemtp | medwards: only this works? |
| 21:07.28 | medwards | I'm sure there's a GUI for it. :) |
| 21:07.58 | medwards | I put airport in /etc/modules anyway. |
| 21:08.28 | medwards | the wireless_* parameters turn into iwconfig commands during ifup |
| 21:09.29 | acemtp | ok |
| 21:09.31 | acemtp | i have that |
| 21:09.53 | acemtp | when ifup eth1, it says that it can't locate module airport |
| 21:10.02 | medwards | Personally, I don't bother with WEP; it's a poorly designed protocol, systematically badly implemented. |
| 21:10.04 | acemtp | but i have airport /etc/modules |
| 21:10.15 | medwards | where'd you get your kernel? |
| 21:10.26 | acemtp | from the net |
| 21:10.39 | acemtp | http://people.debian.org/~branden/ibook.html |
| 21:10.43 | dman13 | simonrvn: I meant that the auto paritioning thing didn't make the boot partition |
| 21:10.46 | acemtp | i used that |
| 21:12.08 | medwards | branden probably builds the module into his kernel, so you can ignore the modprobe failure. |
| 21:12.15 | medwards | cat /proc/net/wireless |
| 21:12.40 | acemtp | there s only the header |
| 21:12.43 | acemtp | no value |
| 21:13.24 | medwards | if it's there at all, the driver is in. |
| 21:13.34 | medwards | ifconfig -a |
| 21:14.33 | acemtp | nothing interesting in ifconfig -a |
| 21:15.30 | JimButton | medwards: i have basically only your first line :) |
| 21:16.22 | simonrvn | dman13: oh that, yeh, it should have. that *is* a bug :) |
| 21:24.16 | acemtp | how to make a | with a ibook? |
| 21:24.48 | JimButton | acemtp: shift+\ |
| 21:24.53 | acemtp | ok :) |
| 21:24.56 | JimButton | on a US keyboard |
| 21:25.05 | acemtp | lol |
| 21:25.12 | acemtp | there s no \ key my keuboard :) |
| 21:25.22 | JimButton | then you probably don't have a US keyboard |
| 21:25.27 | acemtp | correct ;) |
| 21:25.35 | JimButton | then it all depends |
| 21:25.59 | JimButton | i had a german keyboard originally, until i poured beer over my ibook |
| 21:26.36 | acemtp | lol |
| 21:30.10 | dman13 | what network card would a G4 have? lspci doesn't show one (it's an on-board NIC) |
| 21:30.19 | chris`laptop | The g4 uses the Sungem driver |
| 21:30.27 | chris`laptop | If you mean ibook at least |
| 21:30.42 | acemtp | which package can i install to play mp3 on console |
| 21:30.48 | dman13 | minitower |
| 21:31.09 | chris`laptop | This is painfully slow |
| 21:31.37 | JimButton | acemtp: mpg321 |
| 21:31.41 | acemtp | k |
| 21:31.44 | acemtp | and xmms no? |
| 21:31.50 | JimButton | acemtp: not on the console |
| 21:31.50 | chris`laptop | xmms is not a console app |
| 21:32.01 | JimButton | acemtp: you can, however, remote-control it from a console |
| 21:32.09 | acemtp | ok |
| 21:32.12 | JimButton | acemtp: if you set DISPLAY right |
| 21:32.15 | acemtp | i give up for the aorport :) |
| 21:32.32 | dman13 | err, nevermind, I guess I don't need to load a module for it -- ifconfig -a shows eth0. |
| 21:33.56 | dman13 | yea, the network works and I have no idea what the NIC is :-) |
| 21:36.15 | acemtp | how do you manage the sound up down key? |
| 21:36.18 | acemtp | they are desactivated |
| 21:36.37 | chris`laptop | acemtp: pbbuttonsd |
| 21:36.47 | acemtp | chris`laptop but there s no deb pacakge for it |
| 21:36.56 | chris`laptop | acemtp: You're a liar |
| 21:37.01 | acemtp | really? |
| 21:37.06 | medwards | # Wireless interface |
| 21:37.06 | medwards | # |
| 21:37.06 | medwards | auto eth1 |
| 21:37.06 | medwards | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 21:37.06 | medwards | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.06 | medwards | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.08 | medwards | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.10 | acemtp | tell that to my apt-get |
| 21:37.12 | medwards | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.14 | medwards | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.16 | medwards | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.18 | medwards | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.20 | medwards | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.22 | medwards | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.28 | medwards | Did you get it that time? |
| 21:37.30 | medwards | JimButton: ? |
| 21:38.18 | acemtp | chris`laptop: why do you say that? |
| 21:38.26 | JimButton | medwards: what? |
| 21:38.29 | chris`laptop | acemtp: Because I installed the debian package |
| 21:38.38 | acemtp | chris`work: what is your source.list |
| 21:39.00 | JimButton | actually, i prefer ikeyd to pbuttonsd |
| 21:39.02 | chris`laptop | acemtp: You must be using woody |
| 21:39.10 | acemtp | yep |
| 21:39.23 | acemtp | i m in stable |
| 21:40.00 | JimButton | acemtp: does stable have ikeyd? i thought so, but i might be wrong |
| 21:40.22 | acemtp | JimButton: yes , but i didn't find where is the conf file dor ikeyd |
| 21:40.30 | medwards | <JimButton> medwards: i have basically only your first line :) |
| 21:40.36 | JimButton | acemtp: i think it basically works out of the box |
| 21:40.43 | JimButton | medwards: yes, i do, and it works |
| 21:40.54 | JimButton | medwards: why should i put in all this other stuff? :) |
| 21:40.55 | acemtp | JimButton: when i launch ikeyz, it says that /dev/cdrom is not found :/ |
| 21:41.14 | medwards | OK, so your wireless config is stored elsewhere? or you just let it auto-discover? |
| 21:41.22 | JimButton | acemtp: oh, i vaguely remember some bug like that |
| 21:41.30 | JimButton | medwards: yes, i let it autodiscover |
| 21:41.45 | JimButton | medwards: actually, i only use it in one cafe here where they have free wireless internet |
| 21:42.01 | JimButton | medwards: in lots of other places my card does not detect the networks at all |
| 21:42.28 | JimButton | medwards: i suspect that it is due to outdated firmware, but as i don't have MacOS on this iBook, i have no way to upgrade |
| 21:43.24 | medwards | acemtp: does iwconfig give you anything? |
| 21:43.49 | acemtp | medwards: yes, just display that there s no conf |
| 21:43.58 | acemtp | lo : no wireless extension |
| 21:44.04 | acemtp | eth0 no wireless extension |
| 21:44.11 | acemtp | (but nothing about eth1) |
| 21:44.23 | JimButton | try iwconfig eth1 up |
| 21:44.27 | JimButton | or something like that |
| 21:44.31 | JimButton | it should be eth1 |
| 21:45.12 | acemtp | iwconfig eth1 says that power managemenet is off |
| 21:45.31 | JimButton | ok, that is a useless message, but it doesn't sound like an error :) |
| 21:45.36 | acemtp | :) |
| 21:45.38 | acemtp | ok |
| 21:45.56 | JimButton | i don't really remember how i tested my wireless stuff |
| 21:45.59 | acemtp | essid is the ssid? |
| 21:46.14 | JimButton | in the end, it worked in that one place and was totally futile everywhere else |
| 21:46.16 | acemtp | like 101 |
| 21:46.19 | JimButton | like in the university library |
| 21:46.27 | JimButton | no way to get it to even detect a signal |
| 21:46.52 | JimButton | the ESSID is usually give to you by the access point, i think |
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| 21:49.55 | acemtp | i reboot :) |
| 21:50.06 | acemtp | it s hard to display dmesg without | |
| 21:50.57 | medwards | are you sure modprobe airport doesn't do anything? |
| 21:51.14 | acemtp | airport is in /etc/modules |
| 21:51.19 | acemtp | i don't need modprobe |
| 21:51.24 | medwards | that gets done at reboot |
| 21:51.49 | acemtp | yep |
| 21:51.52 | acemtp | i reboot |
| 21:52.00 | medwards | you either need to modprobe it manually, or put the pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces and ifup |
| 21:52.17 | medwards | what does it say when you try to modprobe manually? |
| 21:52.27 | medwards | ah, you rebooted. OK. |
| 21:52.46 | acemtp | rebooted yeap |
| 21:53.01 | medwards | still, what does modprobe say? |
| 21:53.10 | acemtp | lsmod display airport |
| 21:53.30 | medwards | and iwconfig doesn't report anything? |
| 21:53.46 | medwards | are you sure you've got an airport card? :) |
| 21:53.50 | acemtp | "iwconfig" display only lo no wireless extension |
| 21:53.59 | acemtp | "iwconfig eth1" displays some info about eth1 |
| 21:54.38 | medwards | ah. you're on woody. My iwconfig (sid) displays all interfaces. :) |
| 21:54.49 | acemtp | yep |
| 21:54.54 | acemtp | woody |
| 21:54.58 | liiwi | Linux purri 2.6.1-ben1 #1 Mon Jan 19 16:30:50 EET 2004 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 21:54.58 | acemtp | i have to use unstable :) |
| 21:55.04 | liiwi | there we go |
| 21:55.09 | acemtp | liiwi: wow |
| 21:55.33 | sk1p | Linux pb 2.6.1-ben1 #11 Sat Jan 17 23:25:53 CET 2004 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 21:55.33 | sk1p | ;) |
| 21:57.01 | acemtp | go to sleep |
| 21:57.06 | acemtp | i m fed up with airport :/ |
| 21:57.07 | medwards | acemtp: Do you know the ESSID of your wireless network? |
| 21:57.08 | acemtp | bye bye |
| 21:57.16 | acemtp | medwards: yes, it s 101 the default |
| 21:57.33 | liiwi | hrm, next have to figure out how to tell kernel what scsi drver to use first |
| 21:57.48 | acemtp | but i don t know how to setup the wireless channel (13) |
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| 22:00.25 | medwards | http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/DISTRIBUTIONS.txt |
| 22:00.31 | medwards | wireless_channel 13 |
| 22:00.38 | medwards | in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:00.49 | medwards | and you shouldn't need it if you have the ESSID right |
| 22:01.29 | medwards | liiwi: do you retain any interest in Midgard? |
| 22:02.35 | acemtp | medwards: i ll try that tomorrow |
| 22:02.42 | acemtp | thank you very much for your help |
| 22:02.54 | medwards | you're welcome! |
| 22:03.43 | medwards | If you dual-boot to MacOS, try MacStumbler. I'm not sure what the state of kismet (802.11b discovery utility) is in woody. |
| 22:03.50 | medwards | Try it and see what you get. |
| 22:04.35 | acemtp | when i had macos X |
| 22:04.41 | acemtp | airport worked fine |
| 22:04.57 | medwards | It's possible you have WEP enabled at the base station and get useless diagnostics because it won't let you connect without a WEP key. |
| 22:05.09 | medwards | kismet is good at spotting that stuff. |
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| 22:05.32 | medwards | (I recommend you grab it from backports.org if the woody version doesn't work for you immediately) |
| 22:06.16 | acemtp | medwards: i ll try to remove wep tomorrow |
| 22:06.19 | acemtp | ++ |
| 22:06.20 | *** part/#debianppc acemtp (~ace@m183.net81-64-237.noos.fr) |
| 22:07.12 | medwards | (I understand his/her feeling; up until a couple of days ago, I flipped over to OSX to burn CDs just because I hadn't bothered to figure out ide-scsi on powerpc) |
| 22:08.44 | chris`laptop | ide-scsi? ew |
| 22:11.54 | liiwi | medwards: no, got tired of php crap. |
| 22:12.19 | medwards | liiwi: :) |
| 22:12.52 | medwards | Once I banged on it awhile, I got it running pretty well. I don't like PHP much, though. |
| 22:12.59 | simonrvn | python and perl at least make sense ;) |
| 22:13.07 | chris`laptop | simonrvn: So before I invest any time in MOL, do you know if A) It can use a device even if it isn't supported in linux and B) If the video runs accelerated? |
| 22:13.19 | chris`laptop | PHP is like a motorcycle without the wheels |
| 22:13.24 | simonrvn | a) dunno b) dunno |
| 22:13.32 | medwards | python and perl at least do rational things with undefs and empty strings |
| 22:13.40 | chris`laptop | simonrvn: dunno!? You're supposed to know everything! |
| 22:13.49 | simonrvn | no i'm not :) |
| 22:14.09 | chris`laptop | lies |
| 22:16.20 | liiwi | and env variables |
| 22:17.51 | medwards | liiwi: if I got it into shape, would you consider sponsoring an upload? |
| 22:18.43 | sloopy | chris`work: what device? |
| 22:19.28 | sloopy | and when in X window video isnt acceled when full screen i think it is... |
| 22:25.45 | liiwi | medwards: sorry, got my hands full already. |
| 22:25.46 | medwards | liiwi: np. Thanks for the work you've already put in. |
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| 22:33.15 | dho | hello again |
| 22:33.28 | dho | man gnome makes me hate twm |
| 22:33.39 | liiwi | gar, scsihosts parameter does not work |
| 22:35.58 | dho | the people in #debian are not answering my question |
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| 22:49.59 | dho | can someone help me with vlc |
| 22:50.17 | dho | when i open it, it displays green text at the top of my screen and does nothing more |
| 22:50.46 | dho | something interface initialized |
| 22:51.03 | Bor_Ed | goddamn, basilisk doesn't play nice even with fresh install ... anyone have a tip to share ? |
| 22:51.21 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: get a real mac? ;'P |
| 22:51.31 | Bor_Ed | sloopy, I have 3 :P |
| 22:51.48 | Bor_Ed | just wanna fsck with emu before killing kids sys |
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| 22:52.40 | strat50s | hi |
| 22:53.23 | dho | Bor_Ed can you help me figure out vlc? |
| 22:54.21 | sloopy | time to have fun with linux on m68k :') |
| 22:54.42 | dho | anyone else able to tell my why vlc says something interface inititalized in green text and says no more |
| 22:54.57 | dho | and nothing shows up |
| 22:55.54 | dho | helo? |
| 22:56.48 | Bor_Ed | dho, vlc ? |
| 22:57.20 | dho | vlc videolanclient |
| 22:57.29 | dho | never heard of it? |
| 22:57.47 | dho | if you have a good media player that you suggest to use im all for it |
| 22:57.54 | dho | vlc is on apt |
| 22:57.58 | dho | mplayer isnt |
| 22:58.02 | dho | dont know anything else |
| 22:58.34 | sk1p | try xine |
| 22:58.40 | Bor_Ed | never heard of :o |
| 23:00.07 | dho | where would i get xine? |
| 23:00.19 | sk1p | apt-get install xine-ui |
| 23:00.26 | Bor_Ed | xine is on apt |
| 23:00.48 | dho | alright thanks |
| 23:00.51 | dho | its downloading |
| 23:01.18 | dho | lol just as you told me about xine i got vlc working |
| 23:01.25 | sk1p | ;-) |
| 23:02.05 | dho | its a great player for osx |
| 23:02.07 | dho | great port |
| 23:02.21 | dho | good for playing avi and wmv |
| 23:03.54 | dman13 | does anyone know why kernel 2.4.24 and 2.6.0 are not available for powerpc (but are for x86 and alpha)? |
| 23:04.10 | dman13 | I presume the buildds just haven't gotten to it yet (maybe), but how could I check? |
| 23:04.15 | dho | hmm |
| 23:04.18 | dho | xine is great |
| 23:04.20 | dho | one issue |
| 23:04.31 | dho | i get audio playing through my headphones AND speakers |
| 23:04.57 | sk1p | try muting the speakers in a mixer |
| 23:05.27 | dho | mixer? |
| 23:05.41 | dman13 | dho: aumix, what you were using before :-) |
| 23:08.07 | dho | hmm |
| 23:08.14 | dho | muting speakers |
| 23:08.19 | dho | but keeping which nob up? |
| 23:08.50 | dman13 | dho: does your sound card have separte outputs for speakers and headphones? |
| 23:09.06 | dman13 | dho: if so, find something that appears to refer to only the speaker output, not the headphone output |
| 23:09.09 | dman13 | and mute that |
| 23:09.22 | dho | hmm |
| 23:09.24 | dho | i have a imac g3 |
| 23:09.32 | dho | 3 different headphone outputs |
| 23:09.46 | dman13 | I can't be more specific because I'm new to the Apple PPC platform and I have never used aumix either |
| 23:10.13 | dho | ok thanks |
| 23:10.16 | dho | lets see |
| 23:11.09 | medwards | the dmasound_pmac driver for the kernel I'm on (sid stock) is confused about which channel is audio out. |
| 23:11.59 | medwards | er. sorry, kmix and/or dmasound_pmac is confused about how to classify the channel |
| 23:12.17 | medwards | the icon in kmix is an audio jack but the pop-up hint is Speaker |
| 23:13.03 | dho | ok |
| 23:13.04 | medwards | if you're using kde, kmix is a reasonable choice (if dmasound_pmac is built in or in /etc/modules, arts finds it during KDE start) |
| 23:13.19 | dho | brb |
| 23:17.17 | dho | im on gnome |
| 23:18.59 | dho | medwards im using gnome, but i just ram apt-get install kmix |
| 23:19.06 | dho | will i be able to use that later |
| 23:19.16 | medwards | not a good idea, it'll start all kinds of crap |
| 23:20.18 | medwards | dpkg -l |grep esd |
| 23:40.41 | dho | hmm |
| 23:41.13 | dho | i have a package that needs libgnomeui-2.0 and i have the package with a different name |
| 23:41.22 | dho | how do i get around that |
| 23:41.38 | medwards | dunno, haven't used gnome lately |
| 23:41.51 | dho | its not really gnome specific |
| 23:41.56 | dho | more apt/dpkg |
| 23:42.26 | dho | make libgnomeui-0- look like libgnomeui-2.0 |
| 23:43.03 | dho | any ideas |
| 23:46.39 | medwards | apt-get source foo && vi debian/control && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
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| 23:56.33 | pook | is a package's name stored in that package or the file name? |