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| 00:01.17 | Dizzutch | hey guys, quick question, i have a bunch of CDs with mp3's on them, and when i pop 'm in my iBook w/ debian the long filenames get cut off, is there a way around this? |
| 00:01.41 | medwards | buy CDs |
| 00:01.50 | Dizzutch | cuz on my friends x86 w/debian i can see the filenames |
| 00:01.54 | Dizzutch | i have the CD's |
| 00:01.58 | Dizzutch | most of them |
| 00:02.10 | pook | not compiled jouliette support or something? |
| 00:02.14 | medwards | sorry, that was just a kneejerk |
| 00:02.31 | medwards | using automount? |
| 00:02.52 | Dizzutch | no automount |
| 00:02.55 | Dizzutch | jouliette support |
| 00:03.07 | Dizzutch | is that standard in 2.6? |
| 00:03.21 | pook | if you choose it its standard in every kernel (: |
| 00:04.22 | Dizzutch | ... |
| 00:04.23 | Dizzutch | :) |
| 00:04.26 | Dizzutch | let me see |
| 00:04.32 | medwards | it's rock ridge, not joliet |
| 00:04.34 | Dizzutch | i hate compiling on my iBook cuz it takes forever |
| 00:04.39 | medwards | joliet is bootability |
| 00:05.39 | pook | shows how well I can bullshit when I cant even spell it right |
| 00:07.08 | medwards | It's stupid to build iso9660 without rock ridge and joliet support (they can be disabled at mount; man mount) |
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| 01:23.26 | jpablo | hi people, i got an ibook g3, and i can get the airport too for some $$, i was wondering if such a beast (airport) works under linux. |
| 01:24.54 | moray | Normal Airport cards work fine; I don't think that Airport Extreme cards work. |
| 01:25.14 | jpablo | ok. |
| 01:25.28 | jpablo | then just stay away of thhe extreme. |
| 01:25.30 | jpablo | thanks. |
| 01:27.01 | Curalton | g3's only work with airport, g4 are the a. extreme notebooks |
| 01:28.17 | jpablo | great, then i don't have anything to worry about :) |
| 01:29.38 | jpablo | how well does linux works in the g3 12" 800mhz ? |
| 01:29.59 | jpablo | does sleep mode works (my biggest concern) ? |
| 01:33.19 | simonrvn | ibook g3 AFAIK sleep does work |
| 01:33.28 | moray | Yes, shouldn't be any problem. |
| 01:33.44 | moray | Much easier than fighting with ACPI on Intel hardware. |
| 01:34.28 | jpablo | pretty |
| 01:34.35 | Curalton | also my airport works fine with my G3 ibook 700mhz |
| 01:35.06 | Curalton | sleeps works beautifully, also with 2.6.1-benh1 |
| 01:35.16 | Curalton | of course you need the sid flavour for it |
| 01:35.24 | jpablo | i got a 800 g3 in $900, very good deal in mexico. |
| 01:36.13 | jpablo | Curalton: oh, is there anything else besides sid :) ? |
| 01:36.18 | Curalton | nice, mine cost 1200€ about half a year ago. yet it included the airport card and 384 MB ram, the 128 are ridiculous |
| 01:36.44 | Curalton | jpablo: hmm, ppl have been here who tried to get PPC woody images to run :/ |
| 01:37.37 | jpablo | i can get the airport in $50, and i really need more memory, it comes with 128 too. |
| 01:37.37 | moray | I'd recommend the 512 MB upgrade if you can (you don't need to buy the RAM direct from Apple). |
| 01:38.08 | jpablo | moray: does any memory dimm fits ? |
| 01:38.29 | Curalton | jpablo: see the mac.portable newsgroups, it is asked there frequently |
| 01:38.41 | Curalton | comp.os.mac.portable iirc |
| 01:38.52 | jpablo | crap. |
| 01:38.54 | moray | jpablo: no, but your Apple dealer may have something appropriate cheaper, or buy from e.g. crucial.com who let you say your model and suggest what's right. |
| 01:38.56 | jpablo | let's see google. |
| 01:39.10 | jpablo | moray: ok, thanks. |
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| 03:11.37 | simonrvn | @tell beginner` about root |
| 03:19.11 | beginner` | huh |
| 03:19.12 | beginner` | brb |
| 03:19.35 | beginner` | i understand.. sorry bout b4.. |
| 03:20.02 | beginner` | coz im just testing my linux.. to connect to irc.. |
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| 04:14.21 | Mase | can anyone assist me in getting ati drivers working on my ibook800? |
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| 04:23.07 | bddebian | Hello |
| 04:23.12 | johnynek | hey all, I am about to upgrade my OSX install to 10.3, I guess it will clobber yaboot |
| 04:23.21 | johnynek | I found this: |
| 04:23.27 | johnynek | setenv boot-device hd:9,\\:tbxi |
| 04:23.46 | johnynek | as the command to use from OF to get it to boot into a different partition (in this case 9) |
| 04:23.52 | Mase | Hi bddebian |
| 04:23.58 | johnynek | are there any other gotchas I should be aware of? |
| 04:35.12 | johnynek | I guess I need to do this: |
| 04:35.18 | johnynek | boot hd9:\\yaboot |
| 04:37.24 | johnynek | woops, actually the man page for yaboot says: boot hd:9,yaboot |
| 04:37.35 | johnynek | what's the worst that could happen. :) |
| 04:38.29 | johnynek | well, here I go! |
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| 04:50.20 | dho | how do i switch between two window managers |
| 04:50.24 | dho | say kde and gnome |
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| 04:51.27 | medwards | use, say, kdm, so you can select among session types |
| 04:51.45 | dho | how do i "use" kdm |
| 04:51.46 | dho | im new |
| 04:55.27 | bddebian | apt-get install kdm |
| 04:55.40 | bddebian | There any wireless experts in da house?? |
| 04:56.05 | dho | no, but ask you question anyway if you feel like it |
| 04:56.22 | dho | i installed kdm, what do i do now? |
| 04:57.01 | bddebian | Do you have X installed and configured? And/or gnome or kde? |
| 04:57.19 | dho | i am in gnome now |
| 04:58.29 | bddebian | Have you already "installed" kde also? |
| 04:59.04 | dho | yep |
| 04:59.10 | dho | i think i got help from someone else |
| 04:59.22 | bddebian | OK |
| 04:59.23 | Mase | can some one assist me with X, i have an ibook 800 with a mobility radeon, i have booted with video=ofonly and i still get the blank screen |
| 04:59.23 | dho | /home/d/.xsession |
| 04:59.36 | dho | Mase |
| 04:59.38 | dho | ok |
| 04:59.40 | dho | lets see |
| 04:59.49 | dho | done a pram reset? |
| 05:00.01 | Mase | whats that sorry, i am pretty new to both debian and PPC |
| 05:00.16 | dho | oh ok |
| 05:00.29 | dho | something similar to the bios in ppc is the pram |
| 05:00.40 | dho | things can get jumbled and funky things like that happen |
| 05:00.51 | dho | 2 ways to reset it |
| 05:01.09 | Mase | umm i actually get a screen, just not when i go to X.. |
| 05:01.13 | dho | one works 95% other allmost 100 but takes longer |
| 05:01.21 | dho | oh yeah |
| 05:01.34 | dho | video=ofonly will NOT EVER work with x |
| 05:01.55 | dho | what happens when you dont do ofonly? |
| 05:02.17 | Mase | ahh...so how do i get X to work with my mobility radeon..if i dont do ofonly i get a blank screen at X |
| 05:02.35 | dho | alright |
| 05:02.38 | Mase | same deal both ways, i was just using ofonly because most of the docs i have read suggested it |
| 05:02.48 | dho | i would say do the almost 100% pram rset |
| 05:03.04 | dho | alright change it to normal video mode ok? |
| 05:03.09 | dho | then, |
| 05:03.19 | dho | reboot while holding apple option o f |
| 05:03.32 | dho | "apple option o f" |
| 05:03.35 | Mase | k |
| 05:03.41 | dho | then you should see a white screen with a prompt |
| 05:03.50 | dho | type reset-all |
| 05:04.07 | dho | then try booting into a normal video mode |
| 05:04.54 | dho | you still here? |
| 05:05.01 | Mase | yep |
| 05:05.05 | Mase | i was just doing the reset |
| 05:05.18 | dho | alright hows the video working |
| 05:05.20 | Mase | normal video mode is just without ofonly? |
| 05:05.27 | dho | correct |
| 05:05.41 | dho | remove that line from yaboot or however you do that |
| 05:05.46 | dho | make sure to run ybin |
| 05:06.14 | Mase | yeh i have done that..its just booting now..will tell you in a sec |
| 05:06.43 | dho | alrighty |
| 05:07.06 | dho | just to let you know, i am one of the least qualified people here, meaning i cant help you if this doesnt work |
| 05:07.15 | dho | i do know what i am doing however |
| 05:07.21 | dho | no worries |
| 05:07.24 | Mase | hehe...k well i think i'm screwed |
| 05:07.33 | Mase | its still blank once it gets to X.. |
| 05:07.33 | dho | what happened? |
| 05:07.50 | dho | but in normal video? |
| 05:07.52 | Mase | well i booted...all was good, once gdm tries to start i just get the black screen |
| 05:07.55 | dho | not ofonly |
| 05:08.03 | dho | oh ok |
| 05:08.04 | Mase | yeh normal vidoe |
| 05:08.09 | dho | its still black? |
| 05:08.13 | Mase | yeh |
| 05:08.17 | dho | ok try this |
| 05:08.21 | dho | apple option controll delete |
| 05:08.42 | Mase | its trying to use the ati-driver in X though..i think thats screwing it up...coz i cant see how it would be there |
| 05:08.46 | dho | you just need to write a better xfree86 config file |
| 05:08.55 | bddebian | Hmm, Hermes module loads but orinoco_cs fails... :-( |
| 05:09.35 | dho | Mase: dont give up, i when i started a while ago it took me a long time until i knew how to write a proper xf86 config file |
| 05:09.37 | Mase | dho: i haven't written this config,...the installer did it for me |
| 05:09.40 | dho | for my cube |
| 05:09.45 | dho | i understand |
| 05:09.50 | Mase | what driver shoudl i use |
| 05:09.52 | dho | i do the same, usualy |
| 05:10.09 | Mase | vesa? will that work with these chipsets? |
| 05:10.16 | dho | more importantly leme ask you a fe other questions |
| 05:10.25 | dho | what irc client are you using? |
| 05:10.26 | Mase | k |
| 05:10.30 | Mase | xchat |
| 05:10.34 | dho | ok good |
| 05:10.39 | dho | type /exec -o uname -a |
| 05:10.40 | Mase | why's that? |
| 05:10.56 | Mase | Linux seattle 2.6.1 #5 SMP Thu Jan 15 21:12:01 CST 2004 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux |
| 05:10.59 | dho | runs the uname command with the -a arguement, meaning tells me your kernel verison |
| 05:11.15 | dho | ok well, i figured you were running on stable |
| 05:11.15 | Mase | hmm this is my desktop box not my laptop |
| 05:11.19 | dho | but your not |
| 05:11.20 | dho | which is good |
| 05:11.25 | dho | oh ok |
| 05:11.34 | Mase | dho, nah this is a slackware box, the laptop is debian |
| 05:11.35 | dho | what kernel version is your laptop? |
| 05:11.39 | Mase | its running testing |
| 05:11.53 | Mase | umm hang on i'll check |
| 05:11.58 | dho | what sources do you have under /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:12.53 | Mase | k, just hold on a tick, i have to boot into single user mode so i have a working console :) |
| 05:13.05 | dho | eek ok |
| 05:13.11 | dho | i am gunna reboot here to |
| 05:13.13 | dho | il be back |
| 05:13.15 | Mase | k |
| 05:13.18 | dho | i am messing with kde |
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| 05:19.19 | dho | first time to kde |
| 05:19.21 | dho | not to bad |
| 05:19.39 | bddebian | I like it better than Gnome. Unfortunately |
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| 05:20.25 | chris` | boo |
| 05:20.40 | dho | why unfortuneate? |
| 05:20.51 | dho | jw? |
| 05:21.03 | bddebian | dho: KDE in not "free", gnome is getting there.. :-) |
| 05:21.11 | chris` | Interesting, the quake2 port / installer files are in apt for ppc now |
| 05:21.15 | chris` | I wonder if it actually works |
| 05:21.18 | dho | not free? |
| 05:21.38 | bddebian | No. It has a more restrictive license. |
| 05:21.44 | chris` | KDE isn't free if you're one of those license zealots who cares about such things |
| 05:21.50 | chris` | Users don't |
| 05:22.02 | dho | hmm |
| 05:22.07 | Mase | hi dho |
| 05:22.09 | dho | what kind of restrictions does it have? |
| 05:22.13 | dho | hey mase |
| 05:22.33 | Mase | are you still able to assist or are you having issues of your own? |
| 05:22.34 | bddebian | chris`: Know anything about wireless? |
| 05:22.42 | dho | no im able to assist |
| 05:22.50 | Mase | bddebian |
| 05:22.51 | dho | il just be playing with kde at the same time :) |
| 05:22.57 | Mase | i may be able to help |
| 05:23.01 | Mase | what do you want to know |
| 05:23.38 | Mase | dho: i am running a 2.4.22 kernel on slaptop |
| 05:23.56 | bddebian | I havee an Orinoco card ini my PowerBook which I had working but dhclient was puking because I didn't have CONFIG_PACKET and CONDFIG_FILTER ini my kernel. SO I rebuiult my kernel and now I can't get the Orinoco working again.. :-( |
| 05:24.41 | Mase | bddebian: what error do you get when you do modprobe orinoco |
| 05:24.45 | bddebian | And a shitty keyboard on this Dell.. :-( |
| 05:24.56 | medwards | kde has no freeness problems now, hasn't for a couple of years. |
| 05:25.25 | bddebian | Mase: I get a bunch of unresolved dependencies... :-( |
| 05:25.33 | Mase | bddebian: did you remember to copy over your system map and re-run lilo |
| 05:25.54 | bddebian | lilo on a Powerbook?? :-) |
| 05:26.03 | dho | Mase make sure your sources.list doesnt say stable |
| 05:26.32 | Mase | k |
| 05:27.17 | Mase | dho they both say testing |
| 05:27.28 | bddebian | I am using BootX because iti's an oldworld PowerBook.. :-( |
| 05:29.01 | Mase | bddebian:sorry i have had very little experience with PPC stuff...i meant the other bootloader but yeh u know what i mean :) |
| 05:29.13 | bddebian | NP :-) |
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| 05:30.22 | chris` | hrmmm |
| 05:30.26 | chris` | Interesting question |
| 05:31.01 | chris` | In theory, wine doesn't need a binary to be compatible on that platform right? As long as wine is built for ppc it should be able to run a windows exe? |
| 05:31.33 | dho | and run apt-get install xfree86 |
| 05:32.29 | dho | try install x-window-system too |
| 05:32.33 | dho | i now you have em |
| 05:32.41 | dho | i just wanna make sure they are up to date |
| 05:32.58 | Mase | dho i only installed them this morning, so they should be |
| 05:33.41 | Mase | it can't find package xfree86 |
| 05:33.57 | chris` | xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:34.25 | Mase | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.34 | Mase | well in stable i am assuming |
| 05:34.40 | Mase | umm testing rather |
| 05:36.23 | dho | hmm |
| 05:36.33 | Mase | how to i tell my system not to boot into X, i dont really understand the debian runlevels |
| 05:36.44 | dho | well did apple option controll dlete quit xfree86 when it wnet black? |
| 05:36.52 | Mase | in /etc/inittab it says default is run level 2.. |
| 05:37.07 | Mase | nope the apple option control delete didn't do anything |
| 05:37.11 | dho | dont know anything about runnlevels either |
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| 05:38.27 | dho | sorry |
| 05:38.40 | dho | i can guarante apple option control delete works for me :) |
| 05:38.56 | dho | hmm |
| 05:39.14 | dho | try apple option controll SHIFT delete |
| 05:39.55 | Mase | k, will do that in a second...just changing the XF86Config to vesa to see if that will work |
| 05:40.38 | dho | vesa? |
| 05:41.04 | dho | im have to go to sleep in like 5 mins |
| 05:41.12 | dho | i would suggest you keep trying new configs |
| 05:41.23 | dho | ask someone for a ocnfig file |
| 05:41.36 | dho | if the ibook is new by the way, it may not have debian support yet |
| 05:42.16 | Mase | hang on just a tick |
| 05:42.32 | dho | k |
| 05:42.54 | Mase | if i change it to vesa then it doesn't just go blank, it does the normal X blink on an off before complaining that gdm can't start etc.. and kicks me back into a terminal |
| 05:43.25 | Mase | so it must be the actual ati-driver, or the kernel config |
| 05:43.46 | dho | i dunno about that |
| 05:43.53 | Mase | so just quickly what are the command s to update a) ati-driver b) get my kernel sources |
| 05:44.13 | dho | ati driver the one you have is fine |
| 05:44.17 | Mase | hmm maybe its trying to use DRI... |
| 05:44.18 | dho | should be |
| 05:44.35 | dho | i will comment out everything that isnt esention in your config file |
| 05:44.46 | dho | to get the source |
| 05:44.48 | dho | su root |
| 05:45.03 | dho | apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.22 |
| 05:45.21 | dho | itl save in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.22 |
| 05:45.38 | dho | try apt-get install kernel-source2.4.22 if the above doesnt work |
| 05:45.45 | dho | forget the - positioning |
| 05:45.53 | bob2 | Mase: don't fuck with the run levels |
| 05:46.01 | bob2 | Mase: Debian is not RedHat. /msg dpkg nodm |
| 05:46.20 | Mase | i haven't used red hat either... |
| 05:46.42 | Mase | only really know the bsd style init |
| 05:46.47 | bob2 | Mase: all the runlevels in Debian are the same until you chaneg them. changing initab will not change anything. |
| 05:46.55 | Mase | ah k |
| 05:47.14 | Mase | thanks for your help dho |
| 05:47.31 | dho | np, sorry i couldnt get it working |
| 05:47.40 | Mase | thats ok, i know what its not now :) |
| 05:47.41 | dho | im sure youl figure it out |
| 05:47.48 | dho | worst case youl be like me with my cube, |
| 05:47.55 | dho | copy someone elses config file |
| 05:48.01 | Mase | hehe |
| 05:48.28 | Mase | bob2: how do i get stuff to not start up with debian then...just chmod a-x gdm? |
| 05:48.37 | bob2 | Mase: no |
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| 05:48.48 | bob2 | remove the S link from the /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 05:48.52 | bob2 | or use update-rc.d |
| 05:48.57 | bob2 | or, most easily: rcconf |
| 05:49.33 | Mase | ah k |
| 05:49.49 | Mase | hmm you think X could be going out of sync? |
| 06:07.57 | Mase | how do I tell X how to use my lcd screen? |
| 06:08.15 | Mase | i.e normally you specify horizontal and vertical refresh rates |
| 06:16.34 | bddebian | Mase: Try this config: http://mega.ist.utl.pt/~mmsf/configs/ibook/XF86Config-4 |
| 06:17.35 | chris` | What type of ibook does Mase have? |
| 06:18.52 | bddebian | ibook 800 |
| 06:19.42 | chris` | .... |
| 06:19.55 | chris` | Does that mean 800mhz? G4? |
| 06:20.58 | bddebian | Fucked if I know, I don't know smash-n-toss hardware all that well. :-) |
| 06:21.59 | Mase | 800mhz g3 sorry |
| 06:22.17 | bddebian | Mase: Try this config: http://mega.ist.utl.pt/~mmsf/configs/ibook/XF86Config-4 |
| 06:22.18 | Mase | thanks bddebian |
| 06:22.19 | bddebian | Mase: Try this config: http://mega.ist.utl.pt/~mmsf/configs/ibook/XF86Config-4 |
| 06:22.22 | bddebian | :-) |
| 06:25.15 | chris` | I have one that may help if his doesn't |
| 06:25.24 | chris` | Mine is setup for a radeon 9200 though |
| 06:25.47 | bddebian | I think this one is for a Radeon M7 |
| 06:25.52 | bddebian | ?? |
| 06:25.53 | Mase | it just keeps going blank even when i use video=ofonly |
| 06:26.15 | bddebian | Do NOT use video=ofonly!! :-) |
| 06:26.24 | Mase | bbdebian that config is almost exactly like mine... |
| 06:26.41 | Mase | yeh it makes no difference if i use ofonly or not..still get the same thing |
| 06:27.59 | bddebian | Hmm, maybe I am lying. Check out this page: |
| 06:28.14 | bddebian | http://people.debian.org/~branden/ibook.html |
| 06:31.39 | Mase | yeh i have read that..but it doesn't say HOW to get it working with ofonly |
| 06:32.02 | bddebian | Hmm |
| 06:32.28 | Mase | i wonder if testing is new enough for the hardware..should i try unstable? |
| 06:33.07 | medwards | I recommend XFree86 from experimental |
| 06:33.54 | chris` | As do I |
| 06:33.55 | medwards | Besides, compiling it is a great CPU/memory stress test. |
| 06:33.56 | Mase | medwards...i am not really familiar with debian..how would i go about adding that package to my machine |
| 06:34.12 | chris` | 4.3 is the only way to get hardware acceleration working for the video anyway with the new ibooks |
| 06:34.51 | Mase | k i am all for it...how do i do it...? |
| 06:34.58 | medwards | in /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ experimental main |
| 06:35.32 | Mase | then just apt-get install xserver-xfree86? |
| 06:35.38 | chris` | no |
| 06:35.40 | medwards | except that if you actually do that, you will get a whole bunch of experimental crap that you don't want. |
| 06:35.49 | Mase | hmm k |
| 06:35.51 | chris` | apt-get update; apt-get install xserver-xfree86/experimental |
| 06:35.54 | chris` | medwards: incorrect |
| 06:37.51 | medwards | If you do this, I recommend you apt-get ‐‐download‐only |
| 06:38.11 | medwards | unless you man apt_preferences and do what it says |
| 06:38.25 | chris` | That's all pretty unnecessary |
| 06:38.40 | medwards | you probably don't want apt 0.6.x, which is going to get pulled in if you're not careful. |
| 06:38.45 | chris` | apt will only pull experimental packages on request |
| 06:38.47 | | chris`: i haven't a clue |
| 06:39.01 | chris` | So if you tell it xserver-xfree86/experimental it's only going to pull down that and its deps |
| 06:39.07 | medwards | chris`: OK, that's right, I was thinking of sid |
| 06:39.39 | medwards | (frankly, I don't recommend that people use sarge for any purpose other than testing the release process) |
| 06:40.49 | medwards | I have a deb-src experimental line, since anything I'm going to take from experimental I'm going to want to build myself. So listen to chris`. |
| 06:41.35 | Mase | do i need to run apt-get update first? |
| 06:41.38 | bddebian | medwards: What do YOU know about wireless?? :-) |
| 06:41.45 | chris` | <chris`> apt-get update; apt-get install xserver-xfree86/experimental |
| 06:43.04 | medwards | bbdebian: well, I use it, and have been known to hack on the drivers ... |
| 06:44.03 | medwards | (though not specifically on ppc, where it just kind of works) |
| 06:44.06 | bddebian | medwards: I havee an Orinoco card ini my PowerBook which I had working but dhclient was puking because I didn't have CONFIG_PACKET and CONDFIG_FILTER ini my kernel. SO I rebuiult my kernel and now I can't get the Orinoco working again.. :-( |
| 06:45.05 | medwards | I always build the wireless stuff modular so I can see which layer is messed up. Where'd you get your kernel source? |
| 06:45.22 | chris` | bddebian: cd /usr/src/linux/; mv .config ..; make defconfig; dff .config ../.config |
| 06:45.28 | chris` | Look at the net differences |
| 06:45.51 | bddebian | I used the same config file, just added CONFIG_PACKET and CONFIG_FILTER.. |
| 06:46.07 | bddebian | medwards: apt-get source kernel-source-2.4.22.. :-) |
| 06:46.07 | chris` | s/dff/diff/ |
| 06:46.12 | medwards | same config file as what? |
| 06:46.44 | bddebian | As the one that was working.. |
| 06:47.24 | Mase | thank you all for your help, i am updating X now :) hopefully this will work |
| 06:48.03 | medwards | Mase: good luck; HTH; HAND :) |
| 06:48.53 | medwards | bddebian: orinoco and hermes built as modules? |
| 06:48.58 | bddebian | Yes |
| 06:49.13 | medwards | modules probed? |
| 06:49.21 | bddebian | Hermes loads and yenta_socket is loaded but orinoco and/or orinoco_cs fail.. :-( |
| 06:49.44 | medwards | error message in dmesg? |
| 06:51.06 | bddebian | I get an invalid vmode in hermes.c if that means anything..?? |
| 06:52.07 | medwards | try hostap_cs |
| 06:52.38 | medwards | hostap is a much stabler driver on chipsets where it works. |
| 06:53.06 | bddebian | not built.. :-( |
| 06:54.50 | medwards | rmmod your way all the way down to yenta_socket, eject the card, insert it |
| 06:54.56 | medwards | are you using hotplug? |
| 06:55.14 | bddebian | No |
| 06:55.45 | medwards | OK, so do that and then modprobe orinoco_cs. Make sure it's loading modules from the bottom up. |
| 06:55.55 | medwards | Actually, recommend depmod -v |
| 06:56.37 | bddebian | Hmm. It won't let me rmmod ds |
| 06:56.38 | medwards | oh, _vmode_. You have a vcc selection issue, probably. |
| 06:57.42 | medwards | I recall flakiness in that area, you may need to set the correct vcc explicitly in pcmcia configs |
| 06:58.10 | bddebian | I believe I have.. :-( As I said, it was working before except for dhcp.. :-( |
| 06:59.35 | medwards | don't have the appropriate hardware handy, just a moment |
| 06:59.44 | medwards | vmode isn't exact? |
| 06:59.52 | medwards | vcc_mode, maybe? |
| 07:02.34 | medwards | btw, did you do the diff chris` suggested? |
| 07:03.45 | bddebian | No, I'm lame.. :-) |
| 07:05.08 | medwards | Probably good to check that. |
| 07:06.11 | bddebian | One thing that is odd is that wavelan_pcmcia... is not set and I thought it needed to be. (It is a Lucent based Orinoco)..?? |
| 07:07.11 | medwards | That's a different chipset from most of what I've dealt with. |
| 07:08.10 | medwards | Frankly, I'd probably go back and turn on all of the 802.11b drivers and see what's stablest with the device. |
| 07:08.22 | medwards | starting with hostap_cs |
| 07:09.40 | Mase | hmm xf86 4.3 is exactly the same blank screen |
| 07:09.49 | Mase | blank black screen |
| 07:10.11 | medwards | what's in /var/log/XFree86.log? |
| 07:10.19 | medwards | or something like that |
| 07:10.33 | bddebian | medwards: OK, I'll try it, thanks for your time! |
| 07:10.50 | medwards | oh, and you should dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:10.56 | medwards | bddebian: np. |
| 07:11.15 | medwards | do check the MANFID logged on insertion |
| 07:11.21 | medwards | and see what your options are. |
| 07:11.32 | Mase | ah..might do that first :) |
| 07:12.29 | medwards | and note that it is possible that the firmware spits chunks when it tries to put it into promiscuous and/or raw mode |
| 07:12.56 | medwards | i. e., this could be a direct result of CONFIG_PACKET |
| 07:13.27 | medwards | google for the precise error message |
| 07:13.46 | bddebian | OK, thanks. |
| 07:13.53 | medwards | good luck! |
| 07:14.13 | medwards | If all else fails, try a benh kernel. :) |
| 07:14.38 | bddebian | I keep meaning too.. :-( |
| 07:15.21 | medwards | I find make config tiresome, but suppose I will have to catch up to 2.6.x eventually. |
| 07:15.30 | medwards | (I built one but haven't tested it yet) |
| 07:16.45 | bddebian | :-) |
| 07:18.22 | medwards | sleep for me too. Drop in and tell me how it goes. |
| 07:18.52 | bddebian | Will do, thanks again! |
| 07:19.00 | medwards | yw |
| 07:23.42 | Mase | umm XFree86.log doesn't actually have any errors |
| 07:24.37 | medwards | Ok, do you have kdm installed? |
| 07:26.55 | Mase | nope, i dont think so..its trying to launch gdm |
| 07:27.18 | medwards | any kde at all? |
| 07:27.38 | Mase | yeh i do have kde installed |
| 07:27.56 | medwards | OK, apt-get --reinstall install kdm |
| 07:28.10 | medwards | and tell it to use kdm for a default |
| 07:28.27 | medwards | kdm sometimes gives more helpful diagnostics |
| 07:28.41 | Mase | k can |
| 07:28.50 | Mase | 't i just tell it to use kdm on start up |
| 07:29.42 | medwards | one could update-alternatives window-manager instead. |
| 07:31.31 | Mase | xfce, flux? which would be better, i just want a screen workin |
| 07:33.59 | medwards | did I say window-manager? I meant edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 07:34.13 | medwards | and /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 07:34.21 | medwards | check ps, kill stray processes |
| 07:34.27 | medwards | and /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 07:34.55 | Mase | yeh i didn't even let gdm start |
| 07:38.46 | Mase | hmm apt-get --reinstall kdm didn't work, said invalid operation kdm |
| 07:39.02 | medwards | apt-get --reinstall install kdm |
| 07:39.18 | Mase | ah |
| 07:39.21 | Mase | hehe |
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| 07:43.50 | bddebian | Heya sourdough1 |
| 07:44.04 | bddebian | err sourdough! even.. :-( |
| 07:45.58 | Mase | ah..i think i may have to give up on this ...back to osx :( |
| 07:46.10 | Mase | thanks for your help guys |
| 07:46.24 | bddebian | Blah.. OS X.. :-) |
| 07:46.41 | medwards | Mase: Sorry to hear it; please send an installation report so we get it fixed for beta3 |
| 07:49.44 | bddebian | beta3 of what? |
| 07:53.50 | Mase | medwards: how do i send the installation report? |
| 07:57.52 | medwards | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/report-template |
| 07:58.07 | Mase | thanks |
| 07:58.25 | medwards | yw |
| 07:58.38 | bddebian | sourdough doesn't love me anymore... :-( |
| 07:59.06 | medwards | Thanks for trying it, and rest assured that it will get a lot better by the time sarge releases. |
| 08:00.05 | bddebian | Someone send me an iBook, I'll make it work.. ;-p |
| 08:01.26 | Mase | hehe i'm about to kick mine so i would if it wasn't so damn expensive to ship from australia |
| 08:01.29 | Mase | :) |
| 08:02.02 | Mase | at least i have learnt enough about debian to use it on my desktop though..nice distro. |
| 08:02.09 | bddebian | Hey, have shipped PowerBooks to Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, and a Dell to au.. Come on.. :-) |
| 08:02.41 | Mase | haha try shipping the other way..cost me $50 the other day to send a bottle of wine to the uk |
| 08:02.43 | bddebian | of course that was when I had a job.. ;-( |
| 08:02.50 | bddebian | Damn.. |
| 08:03.24 | Mase | i know how you feel, mine finishes tomorrow....we got too good so now only the manager is left :( |
| 08:03.45 | Mase | i.e we fixed everything without asking for more money |
| 08:03.47 | bddebian | Well, I got myself fired.. :-) |
| 08:03.58 | Mase | what did you do? |
| 08:04.10 | medwards | I start a new job Monday. (Thank heaven.) |
| 08:04.12 | bddebian | Corporate politics mostly.. :-( |
| 08:07.29 | Mase | ahh.. |
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| 10:04.30 | luther | Hello. |
| 10:04.43 | luther | I am searching for an oldworld pmac user. |
| 10:04.54 | luther | sourdough: i hear you may help me ? |
| 10:04.58 | luther | The question is : |
| 10:05.23 | luther | for debian-installer, the -powerpc-small is used for booting, since it fits on a miboot floppy. |
| 10:05.38 | sourdough | ok |
| 10:05.45 | luther | but for the installed system, is the normal -powerpc ok, or should the -powerpc-small be used to ? |
| 10:06.08 | sourdough | well historically debian has always installed the same kernel that was used to boot |
| 10:06.12 | sourdough | i think this is good practice |
| 10:06.38 | sourdough | they can install alternate kernels later |
| 10:06.45 | sourdough | the fact is you don't know that -powerpc will work on thier box |
| 10:07.06 | sourdough | but you do know -small will (since if it didn't they never will get the chanc e to install it anyway) |
| 10:07.13 | snaund- | well, i guess it more or less guarantees that an install will boot, if the installion media did too |
| 10:07.25 | sourdough | snaund- exactly |
| 10:07.37 | luther | Ok. |
| 10:07.49 | sourdough | the system you boot post install isn't usable excetp to install new stuff anyway |
| 10:08.00 | sourdough | so thats the proper place to install bloated-kernel |
| 10:08.05 | snaund- | but if the larger kernel is a definite superset of drivers from the smaller one... |
| 10:08.16 | sourdough | then they still have the -small one that works to go back to if -bloated fails |
| 10:08.30 | luther | but then, the -powerpc-small is really a minimal kernel, only used for miboot really. |
| 10:08.35 | sourdough | snaund- drivers isn't all of it im sure |
| 10:08.43 | snaund- | sourdough: sure |
| 10:09.02 | luther | Ok, so the concensus is -powerpc-small, right ? |
| 10:09.02 | sourdough | esp if debian is still insisting on this `one-size-fits-all' nonsense |
| 10:09.10 | sourdough | its quite likely -powerpc will break on many macs |
| 10:09.11 | luther | huh , |
| 10:09.15 | snaund- | luther: I presume you're trying to accommodate people who wish to continue using the installed kernel indefinitely |
| 10:09.20 | luther | sourdough: i hope not. |
| 10:09.36 | luther | sourdough: it would be a bug in the package, and i would likely fix it. |
| 10:09.50 | sourdough | luther fact is non-pmacs need things that break pmacs |
| 10:09.52 | sourdough | and vise versa |
| 10:09.58 | medwards | luther: if you need another tester, I've got a Performa 6200CD on the shelf. |
| 10:10.01 | sourdough | CONFIG_RTC for example |
| 10:10.05 | sourdough | CONFIG_VGA another |
| 10:10.22 | medwards | Listed as supported on http://nubus-pmac.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:10.33 | sourdough | nubus is a totally different beast |
| 10:10.38 | sourdough | luther is working on oldworld support |
| 10:10.43 | sourdough | nubus isn't oldworld |
| 10:10.46 | sourdough | its anchientworld |
| 10:11.17 | medwards | yeah, got that. :) |
| 10:11.21 | sourdough | different kernel, different bootloader, different kernel |
| 10:11.24 | luther | sourdough: CONFIG_RTC is not included in the -powerpc flavor. |
| 10:11.31 | sourdough | luther good |
| 10:11.37 | medwards | This one's actually got a processor direct slot. Those were the days ... |
| 10:11.43 | luther | sourdough: never was. |
| 10:11.57 | luther | medwards: actually, nubus pmacs are not debian supported. |
| 10:12.02 | sourdough | luther it was during potato or perhaps woody development for a time |
| 10:12.15 | snaund- | luther: so, i guess best practice is to install what the installation media booted from - and squeeze as much as you possibly can into that |
| 10:13.12 | medwards | luther: that's fine, just thought I'd offer. :) |
| 10:13.14 | luther | snaund-: i have changed the oldworld kernel to be -powerpc-small for now. |
| 10:13.33 | LarstiQ | Like, booting a pegasos, that's giving us some troubles. |
| 10:13.55 | sourdough | medwards debian COULD support nubus |
| 10:14.11 | sourdough | medwards its just a matter of adding a couple little bits to d-i ,and a new kernel-image package |
| 10:14.12 | luther | LarstiQ: who are you, and what are you pegasos troubles ? |
| 10:14.24 | sourdough | medwards subarch support is really not hard |
| 10:14.33 | luther | BTW, it could be conceivable that someone is using the -powerpc flavor to boot with BootX though. |
| 10:14.35 | sourdough | medwards just that nobody gives a shit atm |
| 10:14.35 | LarstiQ | luther: I wager you are Sven, no? :) |
| 10:14.44 | luther | LarstiQ: yes, and you ? |
| 10:14.57 | sourdough | luther yeah, why? |
| 10:15.05 | LarstiQ | luther: Wouter van Heyst, but I doubt you'd know that name |
| 10:15.32 | luther | sourdough: in this case, instaling the -powerpc-small breaks the same kernel for install and running paradigm. |
| 10:15.42 | medwards | sourdough: If someone would like me to test, I'm happy to. But my actual installer hacking will be going into mips64 and sparc. :) |
| 10:15.43 | luther | LarstiQ: you own a pegasos ? |
| 10:16.04 | sourdough | luther eh? no bootx is irrlevant to d-i matters |
| 10:16.04 | LarstiQ | luther: a friend of mine bought a pegasos2 (with g3), but is having problems booting Debian/Linux. Morhpos does work, of course. |
| 10:16.10 | sourdough | it does not and should not care if bootx is in the picture |
| 10:16.11 | LarstiQ | luther: I'm waiting till he gets his issues fixed before I get one :) |
| 10:16.19 | sourdough | the luser needs to know wtf they are doing if htey use crap like bootx |
| 10:16.23 | snaund- | i'd have loved debian nubus when I had that old machine... |
| 10:16.30 | luther | LarstiQ: works fine for me :)) |
| 10:16.36 | sourdough | luther doesn't matter what kernel you install, bootx will never see it |
| 10:16.38 | luther | LarstiQ: but then, i am doing the porting. |
| 10:16.39 | snaund- | powermac 6500 or something, i forget |
| 10:16.41 | LarstiQ | luther: perhaps you can give some pointers? |
| 10:16.42 | sourdough | unless hte luser copys it to macos |
| 10:17.16 | snaund- | luther: soo... i told you who to hassle about powermac questions, who can I hassle about d-i on alpha :) |
| 10:17.52 | luther | sourdough: if you boot the -powerpc kernel from bootx to launch d-i, then the kernel used in d-i is -powerpc, but -powerpc-small is to be installed. |
| 10:18.08 | luther | sourdough: which may not work as expected. |
| 10:18.20 | luther | snaund-: no idea, sorry. mrvn maybe ? |
| 10:18.40 | LarstiQ | hmm, I think I know some alpha people |
| 10:18.47 | luther | Also, thanks for making me discover #debianppc. |
| 10:19.52 | luther | LarstiQ: I have not yet released the pegasos2 port kernel patches, since there is more work to be done before i do that. So, there is not much you can do, just be patient. |
| 10:20.03 | snaund- | luther: hmm, he hasn't owned up in #debian-boot yet, is he in a timezone I miss or something? |
| 10:20.10 | LarstiQ | luther: does that mean linux won't work atm? |
| 10:20.23 | sourdough | luther you can't predict what they are doing with bootx, ignore it |
| 10:20.28 | sourdough | luther assume macos-free install |
| 10:20.30 | snaund- | luther: np, #debianppc is good, sourdough knows all about debian on mac hardware :) |
| 10:20.37 | medwards | snaund-: Steve Langasek [vorlon], methinks |
| 10:20.46 | sourdough | luther since thats the only truely sanctioned method |
| 10:22.20 | sourdough | luther and the -small kernel is what will be on the ftp site |
| 10:22.48 | luther | snaund-: i saw him post on debian-devel with mrvn_ : 11:21 < mrvn_> s/no/now/ |
| 10:23.11 | luther | LarstiQ: yep, linux works, but there are still a few issues i want to solve. |
| 10:23.30 | luther | LarstiQ: and some non-technical issues also, but this is not of your concern. |
| 10:23.36 | LarstiQ | luther: vanilla 2.6.1, benh, something else? |
| 10:24.03 | LarstiQ | luther: I'd prefer to have him run Debian, so I'll take whatever boots :) |
| 10:24.10 | medwards | luther: what would debian be without "non-technical issues"? |
| 10:24.11 | luther | LarstiQ: I prefer to get things working well first, and then upload. |
| 10:24.30 | LarstiQ | luther: I can understand that |
| 10:24.47 | luther | LarstiQ: nope, plain linuxppc 2.4.x kernel + patches on my harddisk. |
| 10:25.11 | luther | medwards: nope, not debian non-technical issues. |
| 10:25.14 | LarstiQ | luther: but if there is no chance we can have it working before sota (this weekend), we'll just stop spending time on it |
| 10:26.20 | luther | LarstiQ: Well, what do you need ? do you already have a ppc pegasos install ? If so, and you postpone your right on the sources for a few more days, i can send you a .deb package of the kernel. |
| 10:26.23 | medwards | Speaking of which, I'm going to be shifting my schedule back to GMT-8 soon, so if you want to discuss the numerix/cryptokit stuff, it would be a good time. |
| 10:26.47 | medwards | I'd also like to know about the mod_ocaml status. |
| 10:27.36 | LarstiQ | luther: we haven't gotten the kernel loaded yet, so no Debian install. Morphos is if that is any help, and we can do some things from our other ppc machines. |
| 10:28.04 | LarstiQ | luther: but a deb would help, we don't need the source just yet |
| 10:29.24 | luther | LarstiQ: plug the harddisk into another ppc machine, install the system, upgrade the kernel to the one i send you, move to the peg2, and boot and be happy. |
| 10:29.40 | luther | LarstiQ: if you had a peg1 or apus box, this would be ideal. |
| 10:30.03 | luther | LarstiQ: if you have a pmac, it would be problematic because of the partition tables. |
| 10:30.16 | LarstiQ | perhaps we can score a peg1 |
| 10:30.17 | luther | medwards: Mmm, i will upload cryptokit and numerix this morning. |
| 10:30.55 | luther | LarstiQ: please mail me personnally, and tell me about the sota (no idea what it is). |
| 10:31.22 | LarstiQ | luther: demo party around Lille |
| 10:31.29 | LarstiQ | http://stateoftheart.fr.st/ |
| 10:32.04 | medwards | luther: great, then I'll hang around a bit longer. |
| 10:34.27 | luther | LarstiQ: Ok. please come back to me on friday and ask me again, maybe i can give you something. |
| 10:34.43 | LarstiQ | k |
| 10:38.21 | luther | medwards: cryptokit or numerix first ? |
| 10:38.49 | luther | medwards: let's move this discussion to #debian-ocaml-maint, ok ? |
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| 13:46.52 | chaimj | quick question: anyone here from Singapore (besides me) ? |
| 13:49.49 | drbyte | chaimj: close enough, occasionally in malaysia i am |
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| 13:51.19 | Q-FUNK | darn. keyboard support broken in 2.4.24-ben1. refuses to compile. any hints how to fix this? |
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| 13:54.24 | drbyte | Q-FUNK: maybe its just the keymap. btw, i think 2.6.1-ben1 is better off for use (and supported) |
| 13:55.11 | Q-FUNK | drbyte: 2.6 is not an option for me. it's not just the keymap; compiling the kernel reports a bunch of errors in the keyboard driver section. |
| 13:55.32 | drbyte | Q-FUNK: oh. okay. never used 2.4.24, so can't help. sorry |
| 13:56.10 | Q-FUNK | :) |
| 13:57.05 | LarstiQ | same here |
| 13:57.11 | LarstiQ | Q-FUNK: can't we fix 2.6.1? |
| 13:57.23 | LarstiQ | it works nicely on my tibook |
| 13:57.33 | Q-FUNK | it failed to compile here. |
| 13:58.52 | Q-FUNK | LarstiQ: it might help, I dunno. this is an iMac CRT. |
| 14:00.36 | LarstiQ | a bit different, but http://larstiq.dyndns.org/~larstiq/config.gz for good measure |
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| 15:58.49 | RQ | hi |
| 16:18.03 | luther | Anyone has objection for moving the default initrd size for powerpc kernels from 4096 to 8192 ? |
| 16:31.22 | mmaddin | afai understand, it might be needed for modules which in turn are used to access the root fs |
| 16:34.23 | luther | Well, it is nice for debian-installer. |
| 16:34.54 | luther | since the initrd is needed to upload the the debian-installer initrd, which in turn will install your system. |
| 16:36.17 | RQ | :) |
| 16:37.11 | RQ | luther: no subjections anyways |
| 16:37.58 | RQ | people who use stock kernels, will still use them, and others will still compile them without initrd, just like i do |
| 16:43.58 | luther | RQ: notice that the size of the initrd changing from 4096 to 8192 doesn't in any way mean that you have to use a initrd. |
| 16:44.33 | luther | RQ: just that you could use a initrd (with the inird= option on pmac, with builtin initrds on other powerpc subarches) with the same kernel as you nroamlly use. |
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| 16:47.20 | RQ | sure |
| 16:47.32 | RQ | personally i don't even compile initrd support in |
| 16:47.38 | RQ | i don't find it useful |
| 16:47.57 | sk1p | same here ;) |
| 16:48.38 | luther | yeah, but you are not building installers. |
| 16:49.02 | sk1p | right :P |
| 16:52.41 | Bor_Ed | hmm, can I install 7.6.1 update over 7.5.3 ? |
| 16:53.30 | Bor_Ed | seems not ... |
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| 16:54.33 | Q-FUNK | crap. seems I forgot something: where do I find the USB keyboard support in the 2.6.1 config? |
| 16:54.46 | sk1p | usb hid |
| 16:54.50 | sk1p | in the usb section |
| 16:54.51 | sk1p | afaik |
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| 16:57.12 | Q-FUNK | hmm.. It's enabled. we use the OHCI driver on top of that, right? |
| 16:58.00 | sk1p | the OHCI driver is the back end, and the input driver is the front end, i guess |
| 16:58.50 | Q-FUNK | oh... OHCI driver was disabled, for some reason. odd. |
| 17:00.02 | Q-FUNK | I would have thought that "make oldconfig" would have kept that. |
| 17:00.31 | sk1p | mmh |
| 17:00.52 | Q-FUNK | recompiling... |
| 17:01.32 | Q-FUNK | btw, is the "Preemptive kernel" the only option I need to turn on to have 0(1) scheduling, pre-empt and low-latency enabled? |
| 17:02.46 | sk1p | no, you don't need a preemtive kernel for the 0(1) scheduler, and last time i looked, preemtion was.. well, quite broken ;) |
| 17:03.14 | Q-FUNK | sk1p: where do I enable all those "faster desktop" options, then? :) |
| 17:04.03 | sk1p | Q-FUNK: they are default enabled... its the HZ=1000 and the 0(1) scheduler that make the desktop faster, afaik |
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| 17:34.36 | bddebian | Hello |
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| 17:46.18 | netman2 | hy |
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| 18:08.13 | Q-FUNK | I guess I just got myself a working 2.6.1 on the iMac :D |
| 18:08.16 | Q-FUNK | however, I'm fairly certain that I got way too much crap enabled... |
| 18:12.27 | Q-FUNK | I'm especially wondering what I could remove in the Input Device section, since I'm using an iMac where everything is USB, instead of being based on bog-standard PC parts. |
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| 18:20.06 | sebfrance | hello |
| 18:21.13 | sebfrance | I have the choice between two configs I've chosen, a 1GHz and a 933MHz is the difference noticeable on powerpc ? |
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| 18:25.36 | sloopy | how do i change the deafult wm? |
| 18:30.35 | sloopy | hmm... |
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| 18:51.14 | Q-FUNK | hmm... is 2.6 _supposed_ to end up producing kernels that are about 1mb bigger than 2.4? |
| 18:52.13 | sloopy | yes 2.6 kenrels are bigger |
| 18:53.34 | Q-FUNK | ok |
| 18:53.54 | Q-FUNK | anybody using 2.6 on some USB-based powermac? |
| 18:54.29 | sebfrance | I have the choice between two configs I've chosen, a 1GHz and a 933MHz is the difference important on a powerpc ? |
| 18:54.59 | Q-FUNK | sebfrance: not really. |
| 18:55.52 | sebfrance | ok thanks |
| 18:56.35 | sebfrance | I heard about a G4 howto last time I came here, is it available somewhere online ? |
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| 19:13.04 | Bor_Ed | is pmac4400/200 with 20" tube worth 10 eur/usd ? |
| 19:13.21 | sloopy_ | bor: yeah |
| 19:13.43 | Bor_Ed | still 5 days left on auction tho |
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| 19:14.01 | Bor_Ed | gotta keep an eye on it tho |
| 19:14.08 | sloopy | auction? |
| 19:14.54 | Bor_Ed | http://karju.uwasa.fi/cgi-bin/auction.php (or .pl) |
| 19:15.00 | Bor_Ed | there clicketyclick about macs |
| 19:15.44 | sloopy | hey how does i change the default wm? |
| 19:16.01 | Q-FUNK | sloopy: use the alternatives |
| 19:16.01 | Bor_Ed | put new wm to ~/.xsession |
| 19:16.27 | sloopy | how? |
| 19:17.17 | Bor_Ed | for example for xfce4 I have: exec xfdesktop and exec xfwm4 lines on that |
| 19:18.00 | sloopy | i dont have a .xsession |
| 19:18.11 | Bor_Ed | create one then |
| 19:18.45 | sloopy | ok and then just put 'twm' in it? |
| 19:19.01 | Bor_Ed | exec twm |
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| 19:20.54 | sloopy_ | oh and just for the record... KDE on a Quadra 800 (33Mhz 040) is a 'little' slow ;') |
| 19:21.57 | Bor_Ed | buggr, gotta install linux to IIci ('030/25, 8 megs) to be able to brag that I have slower sys :P |
| 19:22.47 | sloopy_ | hmm... my IIci only has 65megs of ram :'/ |
| 19:23.07 | Bor_Ed | or does it count if I take overdrive off from 486 (sx25, 16 megs) ?-) |
| 19:23.23 | Bor_Ed | I haven't found 8MB simms for my IIci ... |
| 19:23.36 | Bor_Ed | can't install aux there before I get some more (requires 12 megs for X) |
| 19:23.57 | sloopy_ | 8meg simms wont work in a IIci... nether will 2megs simms... (generally...) |
| 19:24.11 | Bor_Ed | umm, it has 128 tops and 8 slots |
| 19:24.16 | Bor_Ed | what am I missing ? |
| 19:24.34 | Bor_Ed | I need 16 meggers ?!? |
| 19:24.41 | sloopy_ | yes |
| 19:24.53 | Bor_Ed | gee |
| 19:25.14 | sloopy_ | or a full 8 - 4meg sticks... |
| 19:25.15 | Bor_Ed | 70 ns I recall |
| 19:26.00 | sloopy_ | i got a Q950 once... loaded with 16meg 30pin simms :') |
| 19:26.06 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.08 | Bor_Ed | will work ? |
| 19:26.29 | sloopy_ | edo? its not 72pin? |
| 19:26.46 | Bor_Ed | doesn't mention |
| 19:27.16 | Bor_Ed | but isn't '030 data path 32 bit ?? |
| 19:27.18 | sloopy_ | i dont think edo was available in 30pin... either way the IIci probly wouldnt use EDO... |
| 19:27.29 | Bor_Ed | I recall that only 68008 and 68000 had smaller |
| 19:27.33 | sloopy_ | yeah IIci's are full 32bit... |
| 19:28.24 | Bor_Ed | I see loads of 4-32MB 60 ns edo simms ... |
| 19:28.26 | sloopy_ | some versions of 020's and 030's didnt have full 32bit data bus... |
| 19:28.51 | sloopy_ | those are 72pin... were never any 32meg 30pin simms AFAIK |
| 19:30.00 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.08 | Bor_Ed | umm, I have 8 30 pin slots :o |
| 19:30.14 | sloopy_ | yup |
| 19:30.35 | Bor_Ed | 4 simm banks ?? it uses 16 bit simms in duals ? |
| 19:30.40 | sloopy_ | now if you wanna do what i did in my SE/30 you could easily get 128 megs in your IIci... |
| 19:31.00 | sloopy_ | nope... 30pin=8bit |
| 19:31.06 | Bor_Ed | ookay |
| 19:31.30 | Bor_Ed | then prolly |
| 19:31.32 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.36 | Bor_Ed | is best I can find |
| 19:33.19 | Bor_Ed | 32 megs with 8 simms |
| 19:33.38 | Bor_Ed | but does IIci like parity simms ? |
| 19:33.48 | sloopy | how do you get 32 with 8 simms? |
| 19:33.59 | Bor_Ed | 8x4 |
| 19:34.00 | sloopy | parity is irrelevent... |
| 19:34.07 | sloopy | ahhh... |
| 19:34.25 | Bor_Ed | it's just friggin expensive to get 32 megs :P |
| 19:34.32 | sloopy | was trying to do 'new' math on an 'old' math brain... |
| 19:34.50 | Bor_Ed | 68 eur :I |
| 19:35.26 | sloopy | hows your hardware ahcking ability? |
| 19:35.48 | Bor_Ed | I've got iron and more or less steady hand |
| 19:36.50 | sloopy_ | ok... this is what i did on my SE/30 to put 128megs of ram in it... |
| 19:38.34 | sloopy_ | get 72pin simm socket and find 256k 30pin simms... use wire wrap wire to connect the 72pin simm conector to the traces on the 30 pin simms... (take all the chips off them first tho ;') |
| 19:39.30 | Bor_Ed | umm |
| 19:39.49 | Bor_Ed | I think I'll try if bebek still has 30 to 72 pin adapters first :P |
| 19:40.06 | Bor_Ed | (finnish 'radio shack') |
| 19:40.17 | sloopy_ | your no fun :'P |
| 19:40.35 | Bor_Ed | I just want 12-64 megs ... |
| 19:40.40 | sloopy_ | hey i got X working on the Q800... it loads twm now instead of KDE... |
| 19:40.47 | Bor_Ed | I got one of my C=64's to kaboom ... |
| 19:41.19 | sloopy_ | thats why you use a 72pin socket... |
| 19:41.54 | Bor_Ed | hmm |
| 19:41.58 | sloopy_ | i just need to fix the 'a' key... |
| 19:44.07 | sloopy_ | heh its not the physical keyboard... |
| 19:44.31 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 19:44.39 | sloopy_ | for some reason in linux-mac68k this Q800 sends a different keycode for 'a' then every other mac on the planet... |
| 19:45.30 | Bor_Ed | fsck, basilisk still doesn't have KB working |
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| 19:48.53 | Bor_Ed | and how come the buggr can be that slow... 030 with 16 megs ram :o |
| 19:49.53 | sloopy | becuase when you see something faster anything older now longer seems fast but slow.... |
| 19:50.00 | pabl0 | hi! |
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| 19:50.25 | Bor_Ed | well the real deal is way faster than this emu... tho could be that emu is running on 601 :P |
| 19:50.55 | alwin_ | hi! anybody got a pegasos2 and an ati9200? |
| 19:51.09 | pabl0 | I have a Zimage of 1.9M, I burned it in a CDROM and in the Firmware prompt (I have a IBM RS6000) I type: boot cdrom:,zImage_2.4.24 root=/dev/sda3, and nothing happens, it just says: ok |
| 19:53.26 | Bor_Ed | have you checked if the kernel shoots messages to serial port ? |
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| 19:56.26 | jc|ibook | does the new openoffice version (sid) work without trouble? |
| 19:57.02 | jc|ibook | apt-listbugs didnt find anything.. |
| 19:57.38 | Bor_Ed | gee, I wish this was fast enough to run OO ... |
| 19:57.54 | Bor_Ed | abisuite is way more than enough when I don't have SO over ssh from x86 |
| 20:01.36 | sloopy_ | ok my Q800 is ready... now i just need to make it automagically boot linux and i shive it under the desk... |
| 20:02.05 | Bor_Ed | put the loader to that folder that loads at boot ? |
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| 20:05.23 | sloopy_ | in penguin select 'boot on preference load' and put an alias of penguin in the startup items folder... |
| 20:05.48 | bddebppc | Woohoo, my wireless Orinoco card is working in my PowerBook!! |
| 20:36.25 | medwards | bddebppc: what did the trick? |
| 20:36.43 | bddebppc | I had to turn off modversions in my kernel config..?? |
| 20:37.07 | medwards | Wacked. |
| 20:37.17 | bddebppc | No shix.. :-) |
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| 21:08.09 | Q-FUNK | anybody using 2.6 on some USB-based powermac? |
| 21:08.32 | simonrvn | some are, not moi |
| 21:10.06 | Q-FUNK | :) |
| 21:11.24 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: I finally got around trying a 2.6, the kernel.org 2.6.1 tarball. works well so far, except that because of the changes in the menu options, I have no idea what to [en|di]sable for certain things like Input devices. |
| 21:11.38 | Q-FUNK | as such, I ended up with this huge kernel. |
| 21:17.18 | simonrvn | better huge than unusable :) |
| 21:20.28 | bddebppc | I thought size didn't matter?? ;-P |
| 21:20.38 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 21:21.09 | JimButton | bddebppc: according to lots of helpful email with bargain offers, it does |
| 21:21.36 | bddebppc | Hahaha |
| 21:21.59 | JimButton | i like to be an informed customer... |
| 21:23.53 | JimButton | however, they never offer herbal remedies to decrease the size... |
| 21:24.03 | nellump | Anyone here familiar with dpkg-cross package installs? |
| 21:26.06 | bddebppc | JimButton: That's what knifes are for!! ;-P |
| 21:27.08 | bddebppc | s/knifes/knives |
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| 21:56.04 | pabl0 | uhm.. somebody knows how can I change the 'auto boot' sequence in Firmware? I want to boot directly to the floppy |
| 21:56.08 | pabl0 | instead of typing: |
| 21:56.27 | pabl0 | boot floppy:,\linux root=/dev/sda3 |
| 22:05.54 | pabl0 | toc toc? |
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| 22:24.08 | iJPablo | hi |
| 22:24.33 | iJPablo | i just my ibook, any doc in how to install debian and mac osx at the same time for dummyes ? |
| 22:24.53 | Firehand | hi, can i compile the dri trunk kernel modules with a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 22:40.52 | chris` | hrmm |
| 22:40.54 | chris` | Poor sebfrance |
| 22:41.01 | chris` | He keeps trying to get ahold of me when I'm in class |
| 22:44.57 | simonrvn | pabl0: boot fd |
| 22:45.47 | simonrvn | iJPablo: penguinppc.org, check the mac-fdisk howto, under projects, yaboot |
| 22:47.08 | chris` | iJPablo: nullcode.org/ppc/ has a good example as well |
| 22:47.20 | simonrvn | teehee |
| 22:49.10 | chris` | weird |
| 22:49.24 | chris` | The color settings on my laptop must be REALLY off from my monitor at home and work |
| 22:49.43 | chris` | If you look at the fdisk box in the link I gave it shows as silver on my laptop |
| 22:49.48 | chris` | It's yellowish on my other systems |
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| 22:56.48 | sloopy | simonrvn: i got debian installed on my Q800... evidently the cd-rom drive is bad... also... KDE 'works' on a Q800... |
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| 23:03.53 | simonrvn | whoah. cdrom is bad here too |
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| 23:07.59 | sloopy | simonrvn: yeah not totally... just likes to flake out every once in a while... |
| 23:08.12 | sloopy | took KDE over 10mins to load on the machine.... |
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| 23:16.20 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 23:17.24 | simonrvn | i'd run openbox or something else small on that |
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