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| 00:22.33 | skel | hmm.. xfce4 isnt too bad |
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| 01:26.58 | Debious | Hi :) |
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| 01:28.00 | Debious | Is anyone up for answering a rather simple newbie question? |
| 01:28.43 | medwards | I'll try. |
| 01:30.11 | Debious | I get through the installation proccess, and when I type startx everything works up until it says no devices found! |
| 01:30.34 | Debious | Then it says fatal server error and stops luanching |
| 01:33.36 | medwards | look in /var/log/XFree86.log, search for (EE) |
| 01:34.37 | Debious | Well I never left the command line so I saw everything it loaded and it was all (II) and then one (EE) which was no screens found |
| 01:36.27 | Debious | Before I got an error caused by my video card, I guessed the wrong wendor, but once I got past that I thought it would be fine. I've had Debian for a week and I still haven't even gotten to the GUI! |
| 01:37.29 | Sam-I-Am | well |
| 01:37.41 | Sam-I-Am | no screens found would indicate a big config problem |
| 01:37.50 | Sam-I-Am | either wrong video driver, or bad settings |
| 01:38.23 | Debious | How do I edit the config without having to re-install Debian just to get to the screen where I choose the video card wendor (which I did once) |
| 01:38.33 | Debious | *vendor |
| 01:38.37 | Sam-I-Am | well |
| 01:38.41 | medwards | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:38.45 | Sam-I-Am | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:38.49 | medwards | jinx! |
| 01:38.50 | Debious | =] |
| 01:38.52 | Sam-I-Am | yeah |
| 01:39.00 | Sam-I-Am | double the answers, double the fun |
| 01:39.23 | Debious | I've been using MacOS my whole life, would I know hwo to edit the config file? |
| 01:39.43 | Sam-I-Am | you wont need to with the dpkg-reconfigure thing |
| 01:40.13 | Debious | Okay, thanks. So "no screens found" would indicate...? |
| 01:40.22 | medwards | I've been hacking on *nix for half my live, and I tremble when editing XF86Config-4 |
| 01:40.24 | Sam-I-Am | incorrect driver |
| 01:40.33 | Sam-I-Am | medwards: its nowhere as bad as 3.x |
| 01:41.07 | medwards | You are in a maze of twisty little font directories, all different ... |
| 01:41.48 | Debious | Well my video card name is : IMS,tt128mb8A and I chose "imstt" form list of drivers.. nothing else came close! |
| 01:42.16 | Sam-I-Am | what machine? |
| 01:42.19 | Debious | Please excuse my many typos |
| 01:42.24 | Debious | 9600 |
| 01:42.44 | Sam-I-Am | ok, and is that the correct one? i dont know, i havent used a 9600 |
| 01:42.53 | Sam-I-Am | if so, did you set "use frame buffer" or whatever? |
| 01:42.56 | Debious | The monitor plugs into a PCI video card that came with my Mac |
| 01:42.59 | Debious | Yes, I did |
| 01:43.09 | Sam-I-Am | have you tried it without the framebuffer? |
| 01:43.33 | Debious | No, if I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 will it bring me back to that option? |
| 01:43.44 | Sam-I-Am | all options come back |
| 01:43.51 | Debious | Okay great! |
| 01:43.58 | Sam-I-Am | the other problem is you may have selected a video mode your card doesnt support |
| 01:43.59 | medwards | lspci |
| 01:44.31 | Debious | Is that still applicable to Woody or is that earlier? (I had soemone refrence three different version of Debian none were Woody before) |
| 01:45.00 | Sam-I-Am | yes, woody is the current stable - probably what you would have installed from cd/net |
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| 01:45.36 | Debious | Yeah, I have Woody. |
| 01:45.45 | Debious | Thanks alot I will go try it now! =] |
| 01:45.52 | Sam-I-Am | ok |
| 01:47.09 | Dizzutch | hey guys, where can i get the current 2.6 PPC Kernel tree? |
| 01:47.26 | Sam-I-Am | from benh or http://www.kernel.org |
| 01:48.06 | Dizzutch | yeah i got the kernel.org one, but are there PPC pathes? i only found patches for <=2.4.22 |
| 01:48.14 | Sam-I-Am | uh |
| 01:48.24 | Sam-I-Am | benh is probably going to have the latest patch stuff |
| 01:48.34 | Dizzutch | ok |
| 01:48.47 | Dizzutch | cuz his 2.4 patches are on kernel.org |
| 01:49.13 | Sam-I-Am | you'll probably need rsync to get his kernel, but thats easy |
| 01:51.09 | Dizzutch | yeah |
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| 01:51.16 | Dizzutch | it was down earlier today |
| 01:51.28 | Sam-I-Am | mmm |
| 01:58.26 | Dizzutch | what's the alsa module called in 2.6? |
| 01:58.31 | Dizzutch | how do ivload it? |
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| 02:10.40 | xLobeznox | hello, simonrvn do you have 5 minutoes for help me please |
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| 02:19.58 | bddebppc | Anyone know how I can set up a new account in gaim?? |
| 02:21.45 | chris`laptop | bddebppc: uh, the preferences dialog perhaps |
| 02:22.33 | bddebppc | Not that I can tell.. :-( I can set up the account locally but not sure how to set up the account on the AOHell side.. |
| 02:23.57 | chris`laptop | oh, you have to signup somewhere on aol's website |
| 02:24.12 | chris`laptop | I literally haven't done it in like.... 7 years |
| 02:24.35 | bddebppc | Me either.. :-) |
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| 02:43.27 | spacecowboy | GUYS! |
| 02:43.35 | spacecowboy | ANY OF YOU THAT LIKE MY MUSIC |
| 02:43.37 | spacecowboy | I'M LIVE ON DI.FM |
| 02:43.38 | spacecowboy | RIGHT NOW |
| 02:43.44 | spacecowboy | HAPPYHARDCORECHANNEL |
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| 02:43.52 | spacecowboy | my best work |
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| 03:45.47 | Chain|604e | hi ppl |
| 03:47.16 | Chain|604e | anyone knows where to find working gcc 3.x binaries for deb/stable? (for ppc 'coz) |
| 03:52.42 | bddebppc | apt-get install gcc-3.2??? :-) |
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| 03:56.00 | Chain|604e | hehe, wow... 3.0 is in by default ... ok, that was lame on my side... :) |
| 03:56.11 | bddebppc | :-) |
| 03:57.10 | Debious | How do I get all the info I need about my video card for xserver config? |
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| 03:57.27 | bddebppc | Debious: google. :-) |
| 03:57.35 | bddebppc | Debious: What machine? |
| 03:57.51 | Debious | PPC 9600 (9600/300) |
| 03:58.41 | Debious | startx keeps giving me (EE) saying no devices detected, but the video card check out (II) right above it so I don't know what the problem is |
| 03:59.30 | Debious | I tried lspci but it doesn't format it correctly plus I get two results o_) |
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| 04:01.46 | bddebppc | Don't know if it helps but try this thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2002/debian-powerpc-200208/msg00412.html |
| 04:02.35 | Chain|604e | okay, next question... how to get gcc-3.0 working? it's installed, but gives me 'cc1plus not found installation error' |
| 04:03.05 | bddebppc | What gives you that error? |
| 04:04.02 | chris` | Chain: install the "gcc" package as well |
| 04:04.03 | Chain|604e | gcc-3.0 -O2 -mcpu=604e bla.cpp -o bla <- this :) |
| 04:04.40 | Chain|604e | 'sorry, gcc is already at the newest version' |
| 04:04.58 | chris` | Do you have build-essential installed? |
| 04:05.21 | Chain|604e | no, not yet... installing |
| 04:05.32 | Chain|604e | done |
| 04:05.34 | Chain|604e | why? ;) |
| 04:06.22 | Debious | Oh! The thread says imstt doesn't work! |
| 04:06.50 | Debious | I used that driver, I wonder if fbdev woudl work |
| 04:07.35 | Debious | A wrong driver would cause a no screens found (EE) right? |
| 04:08.10 | bddebppc | Yes |
| 04:08.28 | bddebppc | Chain|604e: Was 3.2 or 3.3 not available in stable? |
| 04:09.16 | Chain|604e | bddebppc: no. 3.0.4 is the latest. |
| 04:09.16 | Debious | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.36 | bddebppc | Chain|604e: Upgrade to testing.. ;-P |
| 04:09.39 | Debious | *Xfree86 config needs it in decimal |
| 04:10.09 | Debious | How could I get my PCI BusID in decimal? |
| 04:10.12 | bddebppc | Debious: I would just try to copy that guys fbdev config. Or do a google search for one |
| 04:11.08 | Chain|604e | bddebppc: heh... i just want to hit a nail into the wall, not rebuild the whole wall... damn linux... ;) |
| 04:11.22 | bddebppc | Hehe |
| 04:11.34 | Debious | Well, fbdev is quite slow I'd rather imstt but I'd need my BusID in decimal which Iapparently can't get |
| 04:11.36 | bddebppc | I've found a few hits on google on that error.. Give me a sec |
| 04:14.38 | bddebppc | Chain|604e: Hmm... :-( |
| 04:16.10 | Debious | ....anyone know how to get my PCI BusID in decimal form? |
| 04:16.24 | Chain|604e | sigh... i've found it... it's because a c++ program, and i need to use g++ to compile it, not gcc... |
| 04:16.34 | Chain|604e | ant g++-3.0 wasn't installed |
| 04:16.48 | bddebppc | Debious: Convert to decimal.. :-) |
| 04:16.53 | bddebppc | Chain|604e: Bah.. :-) |
| 04:18.08 | bddebppc | Debious: What is the BusID? |
| 04:20.15 | Debious | This is what I get from lspci: "00:0b.0" and below that: "00:10.0 class ff00" |
| 04:20.38 | bddebppc | Can you paste me the exact lines? |
| 04:21.14 | Debious | Uh.. I wrote it down on a piece of paper cos I don't know hwo to copy command line over to MacOS when I boot into Linux |
| 04:21.24 | Debious | That's all I wrote |
| 04:21.30 | bddebppc | SmashOS.. bah.. :-) |
| 04:21.51 | bddebppc | Well 0b is 11 and 10.0 is 16 |
| 04:22.07 | Debious | so.. PCI:11:16 then? |
| 04:23.31 | bddebppc | Sure |
| 04:23.59 | Debious | heh |
| 04:24.18 | Debious | what about the "00:" |
| 04:24.31 | bddebppc | That should be two different devices. |
| 04:25.25 | Debious | Well, I mean if it's 00:0b.0 then I would enter PCI:00:11:16 or PCI:11:16 ...? |
| 04:25.36 | bddebppc | 00:0b should be one device and 00:10.0 should be a different device |
| 04:26.09 | Debious | Hmm I only have one PCI slot used |
| 04:26.58 | bddebppc | Then how are you getting two lines? |
| 04:27.09 | Debious | haha I have no idea |
| 04:27.52 | Debious | I will try again, if it doesn't work I'll copy down lspci exactly then be back ;) |
| 04:28.09 | bddebppc | Debious: For example, here is my lspci output: |
| 04:28.12 | bddebppc | 00:00.0 Host bridge: Motorola MPC106 [Grackle] (rev 40) |
| 04:28.12 | bddebppc | 00:0d.0 Class ff00: Apple Computer Inc. Paddington Mac I/O |
| 04:28.12 | bddebppc | 00:10.0 Class ff00: Apple Computer Inc. Paddington Mac I/O |
| 04:28.12 | bddebppc | 00:11.0 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage LT Pro (rev dc) |
| 04:28.12 | bddebppc | 00:13.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1131 (rev 01) |
| 04:28.15 | bddebppc | 00:13.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1131 (rev 01) |
| 04:28.32 | bddebppc | This this case 00:11.0 (17 decimal) is my video card |
| 04:28.55 | Debious | Yeah |
| 04:29.09 | Debious | I think I didn't pay close enough attention |
| 04:29.22 | Debious | Let me boot back into the command line and lspci again |
| 04:29.25 | bddebppc | See, 00:0d.0 is one of my PCI busses. :-) |
| 04:29.25 | Debious | Be back ;) |
| 04:29.29 | bddebppc | Good luck! :-) |
| 04:29.35 | Debious | Thanks for the help! |
| 04:29.41 | bddebppc | I hope it helps.. :-) |
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| 04:40.14 | Chain|604 | re |
| 04:40.39 | Chain|604 | nasty memory bugs ate my kernel |
| 04:40.41 | Chain|604 | :) |
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| 04:41.20 | Debious | I'm back :) |
| 04:41.39 | Debious | So, here is the lspci output, exact this time: |
| 04:41.40 | Debious | pegasus:~# lspci |
| 04:41.40 | Debious | 00:0b.0 Host bridge: Apple Computer Inc. Bandit PowerPC host bridge (rev 03) |
| 04:41.43 | Debious | 00:10.0 class ff00: Apple Computer Inc. Grand Central I/O (rev 02) |
| 04:42.48 | Chain|604 | does anyone know, where luther usually uploads his beta kernels? i need binary kernel for my Pegasos2/G4 to install Linux on it. the bugs of this old 8500 going onto my nerves. |
| 04:44.50 | Debious | bddebppc? |
| 04:49.23 | medwards | http://people.debian.org/~luther/pegasos/ |
| 04:50.52 | Debious | bddebppc: when you get back ping me heh |
| 04:51.33 | demon | Debious: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:52.00 | Debious | Setup the PCI BusID for xfree86 config |
| 04:52.26 | demon | are those the only devices that show up in your lspci output? |
| 04:52.33 | Debious | yeah |
| 04:52.33 | demon | what kernel are you running there? |
| 04:53.26 | Debious | I don't know, sorry I'm in my first week using Linux or any Unix |
| 04:53.26 | Debious | I know I installed Woody |
| 04:53.26 | Debious | 3.0_r2 |
| 04:53.28 | demon | ah |
| 04:53.37 | demon | try doing 'X -scanbus' |
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| 04:54.10 | Debious | I have a 9600/300 and my display card for my monitor is a PCI card, I keep getting a "no screens found" (EE) even when I choose the right driver |
| 04:54.46 | demon | what kind of card is it? IMS twinturbo? voodoo3? |
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| 04:54.53 | Debious | IMStt |
| 04:54.57 | Chain|604 | medwards: thanks, but there are only Pegasos1 kernels, as far i can see. |
| 04:55.06 | bddebppc2 | Any luck Debious |
| 04:55.23 | demon | Debious: run 'X -scanbus' at a prompt |
| 04:55.24 | jpablo_ | hi, what's the best kernel for a ibook g3 ? 2.6.1-benh ? |
| 04:55.53 | Debious | Is prompt after login? (I feel dumb) |
| 04:56.08 | bddebppc2 | Yes. :-) |
| 04:56.11 | demon | jpablo: benh's latest 2.4.x probably, dunno if the power mgmt code is all finished in 2.6 |
| 04:56.41 | jpablo_ | demon: thanks, do you know of any .debs of it ? |
| 04:56.41 | Debious | bbdebppc2: No luck with the converted hex, but I do have the lspci exactly as it's show if you wanna have a look, read up |
| 04:56.47 | demon | jpablo: using sid? |
| 04:57.14 | jpablo_ | demon: yes. |
| 04:58.19 | Debious | pegasus:~# lspci |
| 04:58.19 | Debious | 00:0b.0 Host bridge: Apple Computer Inc. Bandit PowerPC host bridge (rev 03) |
| 04:58.19 | Debious | 00:10.0 class ff00: Apple Computer Inc. Grand Central I/O (rev 02) |
| 04:58.31 | demon | Debious: no, run 'X -scanbus' |
| 04:58.47 | Debious | Will that give me hex or decimal? |
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| 04:58.56 | demon | that'll give you decimal values |
| 04:58.57 | Chain|G4e | re |
| 04:59.03 | Debious | Nice |
| 04:59.04 | Debious | =] |
| 04:59.34 | Debious | I'll try that now. Thanks :) |
| 04:59.34 | demon | jpablo: hm... the only kernel-patch-benh package I see is old... might just want to rsync the current tree |
| 05:00.11 | jpablo_ | demon: ok, then i'll have to compile it, i was looking for a precompiled one. |
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| 05:00.38 | medwards | Chain|G4e: I'll ask luther when I talk to him next |
| 05:00.56 | demon | the latest prebuilt in sid appears to be 2.4.22 |
| 05:01.31 | demon | but I never use the prebuilt kernels anyway, not on my workstations and not on my pismo |
| 05:01.52 | jpablo_ | ok, then i will compile it. |
| 05:03.13 | Chain|G4e | medwards: thanks |
| 05:03.33 | jpablo_ | what compiler is recomended ? |
| 05:03.35 | jpablo_ | 2.95 ? |
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| 05:05.59 | demon | I built mine with GCC 3.3 |
| 05:06.04 | Debious | pegasus:~# x -scanbus |
| 05:06.06 | Debious | bash: command not found |
| 05:06.12 | demon | Debious: X |
| 05:06.14 | Debious | :-o |
| 05:06.17 | Chain|G4e | big X |
| 05:06.18 | demon | not lowercase, capital |
| 05:06.20 | Debious | Aww shit |
| 05:06.22 | Debious | Haha |
| 05:06.25 | Chain|G4e | yeh, capital i mean |
| 05:06.30 | Debious | I forgot Linux is case sensitive |
| 05:06.34 | Debious | okay be back |
| 05:07.11 | demon | jpablo: I use GCC 3.3 for building kernels on all my boxes... long as you're not mixing modules and kernels from pre-3.x and post-3.x kernels, there's no problem |
| 05:07.32 | demon | err, compilers, rather |
| 05:08.02 | medwards | Best to use the same compiler (certainly the same minor version) for kernels and modules. |
| 05:08.10 | demon | right |
| 05:08.21 | demon | I made that mistake on my x86 desktop |
| 05:08.25 | jpablo_ | ok, thanks. |
| 05:08.40 | demon | rebuilt the kernel with GCC 3.2, but had some modules built with 2.95 |
| 05:08.48 | demon | locked up every time I loaded one of those modules |
| 05:08.59 | demon | rebuilt them with GCC 3.2, no more problem |
| 05:09.01 | medwards | 3.3.2 is the first gcc that really works with the kernel. |
| 05:09.08 | medwards | since 2.95 |
| 05:09.28 | demon | medwards: I never had a problem with 3.2, once they got the minor build issues out of the kernel itself |
| 05:09.39 | demon | like some of the multiline string constants and such |
| 05:09.49 | demon | that 3.x didn't like anymore |
| 05:11.33 | medwards | well, 3.2.1 wasn't so bad as all that. but 3.3.2 actually qualifies as stable. |
| 05:12.45 | demon | nod. |
| 05:14.38 | Chain|G4e | brb |
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| 05:22.50 | Debious | X -scanbus returned a list so I ran X -scanpci and got: |
| 05:22.50 | Debious | (0:11:0) Bandit PowerPC |
| 05:22.51 | Debious | (0:16:0) Grand Central |
| 05:23.34 | bddebppc2 | Hey, 11 and 16 sound familiar.. :-) |
| 05:23.48 | bddebppc2 | Is the video on the 9600 even PCI? |
| 05:24.25 | Debious | Yeah |
| 05:24.36 | Debious | It occupies a PCI slot |
| 05:24.40 | Debious | I think it's PCI |
| 05:24.43 | bddebppc2 | Hmm |
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| 05:24.50 | sloopy | yes a 9600 is pci... |
| 05:24.51 | Chain|G4e | re |
| 05:25.06 | Debious | Are you sloopy from thinksecret? |
| 05:25.12 | bddebppc2 | sloopy: I know the machine is but I was thinking integrated video for some reason... :-) |
| 05:25.13 | sloopy | Debious: yes... |
| 05:25.28 | sloopy | bddebppc2: nope... it is on a pci card... |
| 05:25.36 | bddebppc2 | "Hang on sloopy, sloopy hang on.." :-) |
| 05:25.43 | sloopy | processor: 0 |
| 05:25.43 | sloopy | cpu: 604ev |
| 05:25.43 | sloopy | clock: 350MHz |
| 05:25.43 | sloopy | revision: 1.0 (pvr 000a 0100) |
| 05:25.43 | sloopy | bogomips: 349.79 |
| 05:25.44 | sloopy | machine: Power Macintosh |
| 05:25.45 | bddebppc2 | Sorry, couldn't resist.. :-) |
| 05:25.46 | sloopy | motherboard: AAPL,9500 MacRISC |
| 05:25.48 | sloopy | detected as: 16 (PowerMac 9500/9600) |
| 05:25.50 | sloopy | pmac flags: 00000000 |
| 05:25.54 | sloopy | L2 cache: 256K unified |
| 05:25.56 | sloopy | memory: 384MB |
| 05:25.58 | sloopy | l2cr override: 0xb9180000 |
| 05:26.00 | sloopy | pmac-generation: OldWorld |
| 05:26.02 | sloopy | bddebppc2: i am used to it :') |
| 05:26.10 | sloopy | i have a voodoo3 2000 in it right now... |
| 05:26.22 | Debious | I'm Spooky from thinksecret |
| 05:26.24 | Debious | =] |
| 05:26.31 | bddebppc2 | There ya go Debious, swap the card!! :-) |
| 05:26.33 | sloopy | Debious: ahhh... ic... |
| 05:27.02 | sloopy | is your 9600 mach v? |
| 05:27.16 | Debious | mine? |
| 05:28.05 | sloopy | Debious: yes... is it mach v? |
| 05:28.24 | Debious | ummmm I dunno but I took it out an replaced it with a G4/700 |
| 05:28.55 | sloopy | what speed was the original 604? was it 300 or 350? |
| 05:29.42 | Debious | 300 |
| 05:30.36 | sloopy | then it is a mach v |
| 05:31.12 | Debious | ok... and that means? |
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| 05:31.56 | sloopy | it is irrelevent if you have a G4 in it... i am looking for osmeone with a mach v 9600... who still has the 604 in it.... |
| 05:32.17 | Chain|G4e | i've a 604, but it's in a 8500... |
| 05:32.41 | sloopy | Chain|G4e: must be a mach v... |
| 05:32.45 | Chain|G4e | ok |
| 05:32.58 | sloopy | i have a 8500 also... but has a G3-400 in it... |
| 05:33.26 | bddebppc2 | sloopy: I might be able to get my hands on one, what do you need? |
| 05:33.40 | Debious | bddebppc2: hwo do I get my PCI BusID |
| 05:33.59 | sloopy | bddebppc2: what does it report as the bogomips... does it show Mhzx2 or Mhzx1? |
| 05:34.02 | bddebppc2 | That's why I was asking. It is strange that it doesn't seem to be showing up in lspci |
| 05:34.11 | demon | bddebppc: not really |
| 05:34.20 | bddebppc2 | Not really? |
| 05:34.23 | demon | if he's running a 2.2.x kernel, which I suspect is the case |
| 05:34.29 | bddebppc2 | Ahhh, good point |
| 05:34.33 | demon | it would only see the first PCI bus |
| 05:34.50 | Debious | I did X -scanpci |
| 05:34.52 | Chain|G4e | sloopy: my 604 reports mhzx2... that's cpu, not machine dependent, AFAIK. |
| 05:35.08 | demon | and the GC and other IO stuff is typically a separate PCI bus from the one the card slots connect to |
| 05:35.11 | bddebppc2 | sloopy: Hmm, let me see if I can find out. |
| 05:35.20 | Debious | (0:11:0) Bandit PowerPC |
| 05:35.21 | Debious | (0:16:0) Grand Central |
| 05:35.28 | demon | Debious: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 05:35.36 | bddebppc2 | Debious.. what is uname -r report? |
| 05:35.44 | sloopy | Chain|G4e: every 604 i have seen shows Mhzx2... but the Mach V 604 is a different beast... so i wanted to see if something is wrong or if it is just the cpu... |
| 05:36.18 | Debious | I dunno let me reboot into linux then reboot into MacOS and tell you |
| 05:36.47 | sloopy | dubious: what problem are you having? |
| 05:36.57 | sloopy | er.. too slow... |
| 05:36.58 | bddebppc2 | He can't get X working |
| 05:37.17 | sloopy | hmmm.... whats X doing? |
| 05:37.28 | demon | well, it's not what X is or isn't doing |
| 05:37.38 | demon | he can't get the PCI busID for his video card |
| 05:37.39 | bddebppc2 | I don't think he can get X going at all. |
| 05:37.55 | demon | I'm guessing he's running a 2.2.x kernel |
| 05:38.05 | bddebppc2 | Aye |
| 05:38.06 | sloopy | hmm if he can boot linux and see the screen he should atleast be able to run OFfb... |
| 05:38.10 | demon | does anyone know if he's on broadband or dialup? |
| 05:38.20 | bddebppc2 | Dunno |
| 05:38.28 | sloopy | he is on dsl |
| 05:38.46 | demon | sloopy: yeah, but he probably has virtually no idea about running IRC clients or anything at a command prompt |
| 05:38.47 | Chain|G4e | (Debious@user-11205gu.dsl.mindspring.com |
| 05:38.50 | Chain|G4e | :) |
| 05:38.59 | bddebppc2 | demon: :-) |
| 05:39.23 | sloopy | demon: no i dont think he does... IIRC he is 14-15... and acts it... |
| 05:39.47 | bddebppc2 | Hey I'm old and I don't know shit either, what are you trying to say?? :-) |
| 05:39.59 | sloopy | the fact he asked if i was the sloopy from #TS shows me he is clueless.... |
| 05:40.07 | demon | hehe |
| 05:40.23 | demon | wonder if we can get him to install a newer kernel package |
| 05:40.29 | demon | at least something from 2.4 |
| 05:40.32 | sloopy | bddebppc2: the 'acts it' part is the desparabing part ;') |
| 05:40.33 | bddebppc2 | Yeah |
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| 05:40.37 | demon | er, 2.4.something |
| 05:40.49 | Debious | 2.2.20-pmac |
| 05:40.51 | sloopy | demon: good luck :'/ |
| 05:41.23 | Debious | uname -r returned: 2.2.20-pmac |
| 05:41.23 | sloopy | demon: maybe i should tar my modules/kernel and send it to him :') |
| 05:41.56 | sloopy | Debious: why dont you get on irc in linux? |
| 05:42.14 | demon | Debious: can you do 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-powerpc', then restart the system and then try running lspci? |
| 05:42.18 | bddebppc2 | Debious: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.22 :) |
| 05:42.30 | Debious | startx gives me a "no screens found" (EE) |
| 05:42.32 | bddebppc2 | Whoops |
| 05:42.33 | demon | bddebppc: I don't think he's on sarge/sid yet |
| 05:42.45 | Debious | I'm on woody |
| 05:42.47 | bddebppc2 | Oh shit, I keep forgetting I have upgraded this PowerBook.. |
| 05:43.00 | demon | yeah, I know, I'm so used to running sid on my pismo |
| 05:43.01 | sloopy | maybe he should try using fbdev to start? |
| 05:43.30 | bddebppc2 | Well gotta run. Take care folks and good luck Debious! |
| 05:43.35 | Debious | fbdev is too slow |
| 05:43.41 | Debious | Thanks! =] |
| 05:43.50 | demon | sloopy: shrug... I've never had good luck trying to do X with fbdev using offb |
| 05:44.01 | sloopy | demon: i use it alot... |
| 05:44.14 | sloopy | Debious: what cideo card you have in there? |
| 05:44.19 | demon | imstt |
| 05:44.20 | sloopy | ^cideo^video |
| 05:44.30 | sloopy | IIRC imstt had problems... |
| 05:44.45 | Debious | yea it does |
| 05:44.47 | Debious | haha |
| 05:44.58 | demon | I think if we can get him on a 2.4 kernel, the problems will be minimized |
| 05:45.01 | sloopy | if it does then why are you trying to use it? |
| 05:45.10 | demon | I haven't touched my damn oldworld box in so long |
| 05:45.14 | demon | it's still at the office |
| 05:45.45 | sloopy | i just installed debian on my Quadra 800 today... just for the record... kde will 'run' on it ;') |
| 05:45.50 | demon | hahahah |
| 05:46.07 | demon | I'm amazed you can get anything that big running on a 68k :) |
| 05:46.09 | Debious | My friend installed it on a quadra 610 |
| 05:46.14 | sloopy | over 10 mins from 'startx' to kandalfs tips tho :') |
| 05:46.18 | demon | hahaha |
| 05:46.39 | sloopy | i have 136megs opf ram in it... |
| 05:47.01 | demon | Debious: you can at least access the internet from the linux side, right? |
| 05:47.12 | Debious | haha no |
| 05:47.29 | Debious | I can't get past the command line |
| 05:47.32 | demon | uh... how is your cable modem connected to your machine? |
| 05:47.40 | Debious | I have DSL |
| 05:47.54 | Debious | It's connected thru the ethernet port (built-in) |
| 05:47.56 | demon | er, ok, your DSL bridge/modem |
| 05:48.02 | sloopy | Debious: how can 'not working' be better the 'too slow' besides it wont be much faster running on your imstt then with offb |
| 05:48.07 | Debious | And then a DSL modem |
| 05:48.22 | demon | do you know if you need PPPoE or anything like that? |
| 05:49.06 | Debious | Yes I do |
| 05:49.24 | demon | do you still have your debian CD? |
| 05:49.29 | Debious | yes all 6 |
| 05:49.32 | demon | oh? |
| 05:49.38 | Debious | ;) |
| 05:49.56 | demon | did you feed it all 6 when you were doing the base installation? |
| 05:50.07 | Debious | You mean apt? only 2 |
| 05:50.25 | demon | hm... ok |
| 05:50.44 | demon | how do you boot? with bootx? |
| 05:50.51 | Debious | yeah |
| 05:51.09 | demon | hm... ok |
| 05:52.18 | demon | ok, here's what I want you to do... reboot into linux, and do 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-powerpc-xfs' |
| 05:53.17 | Debious | will imstt work then? |
| 05:53.22 | demon | then copy the new kernel image, which will probably be something like /boot/vmlinux-2.4.18-xfs or similar, onto the MacOS side so you can boot it with bootx. it'll probably include an initrd image, so copy that over too |
| 05:53.38 | demon | then boot that kernel with its initrd image |
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| 05:53.54 | demon | lspci should show the second pci bus, so you should be able to get X going then |
| 05:54.20 | demon | and once you're there, you should be able to use pppoeconf to set up so that you can access the internet from the linux side |
| 05:54.30 | sloopy | why cant you put the video card on the first pci bus? |
| 05:54.43 | Debious | should I? |
| 05:54.46 | demon | sloopy: because the first PCI bus just contains stuff like the IO controller |
| 05:54.55 | demon | it doesn't have any actual slots mapped to it |
| 05:55.18 | demon | they're logically separate from the OS POV |
| 05:55.24 | sloopy | demon: ahhh so the slots are the 2nd and 3rd pci buses? |
| 05:55.34 | demon | probably the second |
| 05:55.41 | Debious | It has 6 |
| 05:55.47 | demon | don't think oldworlds usually had more than 2 PCI buses |
| 05:55.53 | sloopy | the slots are split... with two pci controllers... |
| 05:56.07 | demon | not on oldworlds |
| 05:56.11 | demon | I don't believe |
| 05:56.28 | sloopy | the machine has 6 pci slots... |
| 05:56.32 | demon | but the GC IO controller chip is all by itself on its own logical PCI bus |
| 05:56.40 | demon | hm |
| 05:56.42 | sloopy | each controller handles 3 slots... |
| 05:56.49 | demon | so maybe there are 3 bandits |
| 05:56.53 | i58 | mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt |
| 05:57.03 | i58 | woops, sorry guys! |
| 05:57.13 | sloopy | because of int cascade the lower 3 slots are 'slightly' slower then the top three... |
| 05:57.15 | demon | least it wasn't a password |
| 05:57.22 | i58 | rofl |
| 05:57.28 | Debious | :-P |
| 05:57.29 | i58 | or a steamy IM lol |
| 05:57.41 | i58 | well evening while im here |
| 05:58.16 | jpablo_ | damn |
| 05:58.26 | jpablo_ | lastes kernel from benh doesnt compiles :/ |
| 05:58.26 | i58 | im learning from you while I work heh. please continue - |
| 05:58.55 | demon | um, it should, I'm running 2.4.24-benh here |
| 05:58.57 | sloopy | hmmm i have only two /proc/device-tree/bandit |
| 05:59.21 | demon | sloopy: I know my 7500 has 2 bandit buses |
| 05:59.27 | demon | one is for the PCI slots |
| 05:59.40 | demon | and one has the control fb, the IO chip, etc. on it |
| 06:00.01 | jpablo_ | demon: i got it from rsync, are there releases somewhere ? |
| 06:00.05 | sloopy | demon: yeah 7500 is very different, in design and in build |
| 06:00.33 | demon | jpablo: where'd you rsync from? master.penguinppc.org or source.mvista.com? |
| 06:01.11 | jpablo_ | demon: rsync.penguinppc.org |
| 06:01.34 | demon | same as master.peng |
| 06:01.53 | sloopy | hmm lspci is showing all on one pci bus... but i know they are controlled seperatly... i lost a bet on this a couple years back... |
| 06:01.56 | demon | where's it erroring out? |
| 06:02.56 | jpablo_ | demon: after make bzImage in poxix_types.h |
| 06:03.03 | jpablo_ | posix_types.h |
| 06:03.27 | jpablo_ | line 38 |
| 06:03.48 | demon | hm... can you paste the last few lines in /query ? |
| 06:03.58 | jpablo_ | crap. |
| 06:04.04 | jpablo_ | i dont have gpm. |
| 06:04.35 | jpablo_ | demon: can i dcc the error to you ? |
| 06:04.42 | demon | sure |
| 06:05.43 | jpablo_ | there |
| 06:06.33 | jpablo_ | humm |
| 06:06.35 | demon | I'm getting a 'no route to host [192.168.1.164:1075]' |
| 06:06.41 | jpablo_ | crap |
| 06:06.42 | jpablo_ | waut. |
| 06:06.42 | demon | you're behind a nat? |
| 06:06.45 | jpablo_ | yes |
| 06:07.14 | demon | linux nat box, or a PIX or something hardware? |
| 06:07.33 | jpablo_ | linux |
| 06:07.40 | jpablo_ | linuxuanl.org/~jpablo/ppckernelerro |
| 06:07.43 | jpablo_ | there it is |
| 06:10.57 | demon | oh, I see |
| 06:11.06 | demon | sec, I recall this |
| 06:12.51 | demon | edit drivers/char/defkeymap.c |
| 06:13.13 | demon | on the first line, it says 'defkeymap' all by itself |
| 06:13.18 | demon | just prefix that with // |
| 06:13.37 | demon | save, exit, and then do 'make' |
| 06:13.49 | simonrvn | c comments :) |
| 06:14.16 | demon | simonrvn: c++ style... doesn't matter, he's using gcc anyway :) |
| 06:14.16 | simonrvn | hullo |
| 06:14.32 | simonrvn | oh yeh, got them reversed :) |
| 06:14.33 | jpablo_ | ok. |
| 06:15.35 | simonrvn | i'll keep that dekkeymap.c thing in mind if someone stumbles on it again |
| 06:15.39 | simonrvn | def* |
| 06:15.54 | jpablo_ | maybe in /topic ... |
| 06:17.09 | jpablo_ | humm |
| 06:17.11 | simonrvn | topic's pretty full, and i got a good memory. maybe put it up on page or something |
| 06:17.21 | jpablo_ | getting lots of warnings on dekkeymap.c and and error. |
| 06:17.48 | demon | jpablo: what's that first line of defkeymap.c say? |
| 06:18.14 | jpablo_ | i deleted it completly. |
| 06:18.22 | jpablo_ | it nows begins with a comment. |
| 06:18.29 | demon | same error as before tho? |
| 06:18.35 | jpablo_ | nope. |
| 06:18.56 | demon | different file, same file? |
| 06:19.00 | jpablo_ | nr_keys undeclared here. |
| 06:19.18 | jpablo_ | thats the main error. |
| 06:19.56 | demon | same file though? |
| 06:20.14 | jpablo_ | yes. |
| 06:20.59 | demon | nr_keys or NR_KEYS? |
| 06:21.10 | jpablo_ | nr_keys |
| 06:21.17 | jpablo_ | im changin it to uppercase ... |
| 06:22.14 | jpablo_ | ok, some warnings but compiles. |
| 06:22.52 | demon | ah, better |
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| 06:30.01 | simonrvn | nice |
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| 06:43.35 | bddebian | Hello |
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| 06:45.41 | bddebian | Debious: How goes the battle? |
| 06:45.48 | Debious | Not much progress |
| 06:45.52 | bddebian | :-( |
| 06:45.58 | Debious | All I want is the PCI BusID :( |
| 06:46.09 | bddebian | Did you pull down a 2.4 kernel? |
| 06:46.19 | Debious | I tried and got an error mid install |
| 06:46.34 | Debious | Is there any other way to do it besides apt |
| 06:46.57 | Debious | Like download it from the debian server or something while in MacOS then use BootX? |
| 06:47.08 | bddebian | Pull down the source and compile one. :-) |
| 06:47.16 | Debious | Hmmm... |
| 06:47.19 | Debious | Hehe |
| 06:47.29 | sloopy | Debious: what kind of speedup are you expecting with the imstt driver? |
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| 06:47.47 | Debious | Oh I forgot about that! |
| 06:48.12 | Debious | What was the other driver you mentioned? |
| 06:48.50 | sloopy | FBDEV |
| 06:48.55 | Debious | Do you think that will work without a PCI BusID? |
| 06:49.01 | sloopy | yes |
| 06:49.17 | sloopy | it is the fb used by the kernel when you are not in X |
| 06:49.26 | Debious | Hey, if I moved my display card up to slot 3 wold it showup in lspci? |
| 06:49.40 | Debious | *would |
| 06:49.42 | sloopy | which slot is it in now? |
| 06:49.47 | Debious | 6 |
| 06:49.57 | sloopy | should be in the top most slot... |
| 06:50.03 | Debious | Really? |
| 06:50.05 | Debious | Hmm |
| 06:50.08 | sloopy | AFAIK |
| 06:50.26 | Debious | Eh/ |
| 06:50.38 | Debious | ? |
| 06:51.49 | Debious | It's on the very bottom slot, it may be 6 but it also may be 1 |
| 06:51.51 | Debious | hehe |
| 06:52.22 | Debious | System Profiler says slot F2 |
| 06:53.46 | Debious | bbiab |
| 07:02.05 | jpablo_ | crap. |
| 07:02.20 | jpablo_ | after make bzImage where is my kernel image ? |
| 07:02.26 | bddebian | where, where/ |
| 07:03.25 | jpablo_ | arch/ppc/boot/images is my guess |
| 07:03.28 | jpablo_ | but what file ? |
| 07:04.25 | bddebian | kernel-blahblah.tar.gz isn't it?? |
| 07:05.19 | jpablo_ | humm |
| 07:05.24 | jpablo_ | i mean the kernel boot image. |
| 07:05.30 | jpablo_ | i think i got it. |
| 07:05.32 | jpablo_ | brb. |
| 07:10.36 | jpablo | crap |
| 07:10.44 | jpablo | keyboard didn't worked on the new kernel. |
| 07:11.47 | bddebian | Did you disable ADBKEYCODES? |
| 07:12.17 | jpablo | humm |
| 07:12.24 | jpablo | dunno, where it is ? |
| 07:12.42 | bddebian | do you want to edit .config or use menuconfig? |
| 07:12.59 | jpablo | menuconfig |
| 07:13.14 | bddebian | bah, I was afraid you were going to say that.. :-) |
| 07:13.19 | jpablo | hehe |
| 07:13.53 | Chain|G4e | what's wrong with menuconfig? :) |
| 07:14.03 | bddebian | I can never remember. I think it is under macintosh options or somee shit like that. Unfortunateely I don't have my PowerBook handy.. |
| 07:14.26 | bddebian | Chain|G4e: Nothing, I can just never remember where the adbkeycodes thing is in there.. :-( |
| 07:14.34 | Chain|G4e | ok |
| 07:14.56 | Chain|G4e | i remember, my first 2.4 also suffered from this problem :) |
| 07:15.14 | demon | should be under macintosh devices |
| 07:15.31 | sloopy | i am snarfing the l&g 2.4-benh tree now... |
| 07:15.52 | sloopy | what option you looking for? |
| 07:16.14 | demon | Macintosh device drivers -> Support for ADB raw keycodes |
| 07:16.16 | jpablo | it was disabled. |
| 07:16.18 | sloopy | i have xconfig on screen now... |
| 07:16.20 | jpablo | i just enabled it. |
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| 07:24.12 | jpablo | crap |
| 07:24.23 | jpablo | now the keyboard worked but the keys where all wrong. |
| 07:28.09 | bddebian | jpablo: It should be disabled. Is that the only option you changed?? |
| 07:30.51 | jpablo | humm |
| 07:31.05 | jpablo | i changed the input support from a module to builtin. |
| 07:31.37 | mmaddin | jpablo: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/keycodes |
| 07:35.56 | jpablo | well |
| 07:36.02 | jpablo | im compiling another kernel. |
| 07:36.06 | jpablo | last one tonight. |
| 07:40.05 | jpablo | humm |
| 07:40.14 | jpablo | i guess i can install the prebuild one. |
| 07:40.19 | jpablo | BenH 2.4 Development2.4.23-pre5-ben0 |
| 07:40.20 | jpablo | Built on: October 23rd, 2003 at 10:17 AM EST |
| 07:40.20 | jpablo | Download: linux-benh-devel-2.4.23-pre5-ben0.tar.gz (3,397 kb) |
| 07:40.28 | jpablo | is that date wrong ? |
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| 07:42.14 | Debious | =] |
| 07:42.16 | Debious | =] |
| 07:42.18 | Debious | =] =] |
| 07:42.34 | bddebian | Hmmm |
| 07:42.37 | Debious | ;) |
| 07:42.46 | Debious | It worked! |
| 07:42.47 | sloopy | Debious: uh it works? |
| 07:42.52 | Debious | Yeah |
| 07:43.03 | Debious | After two weeks of command line I saw the desktop! |
| 07:43.41 | Debious | But I can't figure out how to cnig xfree86 |
| 07:43.45 | Debious | *config |
| 07:43.54 | Debious | Because the monitor settings are wrong |
| 07:44.09 | Debious | And I have no idea how to get on the internet, I don't even know where to start |
| 07:45.30 | Debious | Uh-oh, I killed everyone! |
| 07:45.36 | bddebian | ;-) |
| 07:45.40 | bddebian | Congrats. |
| 07:45.45 | Debious | :) thanks |
| 07:45.53 | bddebian | Have you read the install manual? |
| 07:46.02 | Debious | The one on the CD? yes |
| 07:46.14 | Debious | I bought a book but found out it was for potato! |
| 07:46.23 | Debious | 50 bucks too |
| 07:48.39 | Spooky | Anyone wanna tell me how to get Woody connected to the internet? |
| 07:49.41 | Spooky | Anyone? |
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| 07:51.07 | jpablo | using what ? |
| 07:51.15 | jpablo | a modem ? |
| 07:51.18 | Spooky | DSL |
| 07:52.07 | jpablo | pppoeconfig |
| 07:52.08 | sloopy | Spooky: i cant help you with it until next week... |
| 07:52.25 | Spooky | pppoeconfig says command not found |
| 07:52.46 | bddebian | Spooky: There is not a great deeal of diifference between Potato and Woody as far as Inet is concerned |
| 07:52.59 | Chain|G4e | apt-get install pppoeconf |
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| 07:54.45 | Spooky | Thanks |
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| 08:42.49 | Chain|G4e | re |
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| 08:46.12 | Joersch | moin folks |
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| 08:59.43 | Debious | Anyone know how to change the resolution of my monitor in Debian? |
| 08:59.53 | sourdough | console or X ? |
| 09:03.22 | Debious | either |
| 09:04.19 | Debious | Well, actually X hehe sorry |
| 09:04.58 | sourdough | control alt + and - (on the keypad) |
| 09:05.06 | sourdough | or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 09:05.20 | Debious | I only found XF86Config-4 |
| 09:08.13 | sourdough | yes thats it |
| 09:08.30 | Debious | Okay, thanks :) |
| 09:13.02 | Curalton | http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-pmac.html "Linux on Mac: a POWER programmer's primer" |
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| 09:34.15 | sloopy | simonrvn: you around? |
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| 10:00.03 | Debious | Anyone awake? |
| 10:00.35 | sourdough | yes |
| 10:02.40 | Joersch | well, some kind of awake |
| 10:03.27 | pook | dazed & confued |
| 10:03.30 | pook | s: |
| 10:03.55 | Debious | haha |
| 10:03.58 | pook | woot i just got handed a handful of nice new plastic $50 notes |
| 10:04.15 | Debious | pppoeconf doesn't work!! |
| 10:04.24 | pook | buy a router |
| 10:04.26 | Debious | I dunno what to do to connect to the internet now! |
| 10:04.29 | pook | standalone one |
| 10:04.31 | pook | (: |
| 10:04.53 | pook | Debious: under 2.6 ?? or ppc in general |
| 10:05.31 | Debious | Im runing woody 2.2_r2 |
| 10:05.46 | pook | why doesnt it work then? |
| 10:05.49 | Debious | *3.0 |
| 10:06.03 | Debious | I dunno |
| 10:06.08 | Debious | I'm very very new to Linux |
| 10:06.09 | pook | stable? |
| 10:06.13 | pook | should work |
| 10:06.13 | Debious | Yes, stable |
| 10:06.22 | pook | you must have set it up wrong |
| 10:06.26 | Debious | I have DSL |
| 10:06.33 | Debious | Not dail-up |
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| 10:08.36 | Debious | Anyone knwo? |
| 10:08.36 | Joersch_ | re |
| 10:10.30 | Debious | Anyone here use DSL and Debian? |
| 10:10.55 | mmaddin | yes. please note that "DSL" is a very loose term ;-) |
| 10:11.22 | Debious | Heh, if I knew how to be more specific I would |
| 10:11.40 | Joersch | well, so ADSL |
| 10:11.47 | Debious | mmaddin: Do you think you could help me? |
| 10:12.24 | Joersch | if i may ask what the question was? |
| 10:12.27 | Debious | Pppoeconf doesn't work, I don't know how to setup my DSL on Debian! |
| 10:12.57 | Joersch | so you use rp-pppoe |
| 10:13.48 | mmaddin | Debious: sorry, ADSL here via a dedicated router device |
| 10:14.09 | Debious | Aww crap |
| 10:14.13 | Joersch | here the same... |
| 10:14.39 | Joersch | but, what is the failure... that it just dont work isnt a good start |
| 10:14.55 | Debious | I dunno, I just know i have DSL form Earthlink, connected through a built-in ethernet port and a DSL modem connected to that then the phone line... |
| 10:15.05 | Debious | Umm.. |
| 10:15.12 | Debious | The failure was it couldn't connect |
| 10:15.14 | LarstiQ | ADSL via real ethernet here |
| 10:15.34 | LarstiQ | Debious: you are using pppoe(conf) already? |
| 10:15.38 | Debious | In more words then that, but I use BootX so I have to reboot to use Linux |
| 10:15.59 | sourdough | pook are their standalone dsl routers? that work when the dumb isp demands that hideous evil protocol? |
| 10:16.09 | pook | hehehe |
| 10:16.10 | Debious | I just typed pppoeconf at prompt |
| 10:16.16 | LarstiQ | sourdough: yes, they support pppoe themselves |
| 10:16.40 | Joersch | Debious, but everything is correctly connected so far? |
| 10:16.51 | sourdough | LarstiQ it would probably have to be used next to the one provided by the isp though right? |
| 10:16.52 | pook | can you see your dsl modem? |
| 10:17.14 | pook | and i dont mean physically |
| 10:17.58 | Joersch | Debious, tried this http://www.roaringpenguin.com/products/rp-pppoe/how-to-connect.txt |
| 10:18.31 | LarstiQ | sourdough: eh? |
| 10:18.58 | LarstiQ | sourdough: I just get an account from my isp, the modem/router I supply myself |
| 10:19.22 | Debious | Hmmm |
| 10:19.23 | sourdough | LarstiQ don't think the isps around here permit that |
| 10:19.40 | LarstiQ | sourdough: silly |
| 10:19.43 | sourdough | LarstiQ here they want all your money, and they insist you run your own pppoe shit, on MS OS of coruse |
| 10:20.13 | LarstiQ | sourdough: well, my own isp just gives me real ethernet/atm |
| 10:20.20 | sourdough | yeha |
| 10:20.21 | LarstiQ | no need for pppoe |
| 10:20.27 | sourdough | thats the way to go |
| 10:20.38 | pook | heh |
| 10:20.43 | pook | wish I had optins like that |
| 10:20.47 | pook | options |
| 10:21.04 | LarstiQ | pook: come live in .nl! :) |
| 10:21.04 | sourdough | i use plain dialup, its the only viable option here |
| 10:21.04 | mmaddin | or put a small hardware router that does pppoe and gives you ethernet connection to the lan |
| 10:21.11 | pook | hhee |
| 10:21.15 | pook | im in .au |
| 10:21.15 | LarstiQ | mmaddin: there are lots of those also |
| 10:21.26 | pook | pay 10 Cents a MB here |
| 10:21.37 | pook | Gb even |
| 10:21.40 | pook | hehe |
| 10:21.47 | pook | no |
| 10:21.50 | pook | i did mean MB |
| 10:22.07 | Debious | I think I will call my ISP tomorrow |
| 10:23.23 | sourdough | pook land of horrible internet connectivity ;-) |
| 10:31.41 | Curalton | ..which have been tried -- W. Churchill |
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| 10:59.07 | bighawk | Hi, is it possible to mount a .dmg file in linux? (mount it as hfs filesystem on loopback, would that work?) |
| 10:59.34 | sourdough | if its not compressed and its not read-only mount -o loop will work |
| 10:59.56 | slow | can anyone help me how to configure xfree86 on debian?? |
| 11:00.05 | sourdough | if its not compressed, and is read-only then mount -o loop might still work, if not add 1 512 byte block of zeros to the end (iirc) |
| 11:00.16 | Curalton | slow: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 11:00.28 | sourdough | Curalton xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:00.52 | Curalton | arr, indeed. xserver-common takes care of the nicevalue :) |
| 11:01.02 | slow | r those commands? |
| 11:01.33 | Curalton | yes, run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" as root |
| 11:01.40 | bighawk | How do you tell if its compressed/ |
| 11:02.04 | slow | im new explain in laymans terms?? |
| 11:02.19 | sourdough | bighawk if you can't find the hfs magic number its compressed |
| 11:02.28 | sourdough | run file on it |
| 11:02.42 | sourdough | if you get back `data' your screwed |
| 11:02.42 | bighawk | ah well, i can, but just in case, how would i decompress such a .dmg image? |
| 11:02.50 | sourdough | with macos |
| 11:03.15 | bighawk | well, i get back data with file, but that's because this os doesnt have the patterns to match it as hfs filesystem |
| 11:03.20 | sourdough | snaund and i were working on reverse engineering the alg once, nveer realy got much of anywhere |
| 11:03.20 | Curalton | slow: log in as root or do 'su -' and then run the command |
| 11:03.31 | sourdough | we figured out what it was derived from at least |
| 11:03.43 | slow | ok...then |
| 11:03.46 | sourdough | bighawk hexdump the first 2K |
| 11:04.02 | bighawk | yes, i can see Apple_partition stuff |
| 11:04.12 | Curalton | bighawk: my attempts to get some .dmg (or was it stuffit) file running under linux failed after some googleing, finally fired up MOL for it |
| 11:04.28 | sourdough | bighawk its partitioned? |
| 11:04.44 | sourdough | that will break -o loop, but you may be able to dd out the fs partition |
| 11:05.33 | sourdough | magic number is 1025th byte, 2 bytes long |
| 11:05.49 | slow | Curalton: then wat?? |
| 11:06.20 | sourdough | 0x4244 for HFS 0x482b for hfs+ |
| 11:06.59 | Curalton | slow: it will ask you a few questions and then create a /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 11:07.08 | bighawk | 1025th byte? or 1025th 2-byte word? |
| 11:07.34 | slow | Curalton: thanks |
| 11:08.05 | bighawk | 0102000 482b 0004 |
| 11:08.14 | bighawk | seems hfs+ then |
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| 11:10.48 | bighawk | actually, that's messed up, i should have done od -v :/, there's no 482b in the first 2000 bytes |
| 11:13.48 | sourdough | bighawk watch out for endieness.. |
| 11:16.23 | bighawk | this is a big endian system |
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| 11:28.14 | bighawk | why does apple distribute files with .dmg anyway? i dont get the point of it |
| 11:34.40 | Curalton | i guess doesn't want to clutter their users with unpacked zipfiles |
| 11:35.24 | bighawk | yes, that's the only advantage i can think of |
| 11:35.34 | bighawk | but, it comes with quite some size overhead huh? |
| 11:36.16 | Curalton | maybe that is some legacy stuff to deal with these dataforks OS =< 9 had |
| 11:36.54 | bighawk | yes but |
| 11:37.02 | bighawk | there's some special tar which preserves them |
| 11:37.09 | bighawk | it could just be tarred with that, and gzipped |
| 11:38.18 | Curalton | then i have no idea :) |
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| 12:19.39 | demon | bighawk: ditto |
| 12:19.43 | demon | that's the program |
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| 13:02.03 | bighawk | demon: i think ditto only copies |
| 13:02.11 | bighawk | ditto being a replacement for 'cp' which preserves forks |
| 13:18.34 | demon | no, ditto's a backup utility |
| 13:18.40 | demon | like tar, cpio, and pax |
| 13:18.53 | demon | except it understands multistream files |
| 13:19.16 | bighawk | hmm |
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| 13:19.51 | bighawk | demon: nope you're wrong |
| 13:19.54 | bighawk | http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/html/ditto.8.html |
| 13:20.12 | bighawk | actually, we're both right |
| 13:20.16 | bighawk | ditto can create archives too |
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| 13:47.52 | Dizzutch | guys what's the rsync module called for benh's 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:48.08 | sk1p | topic |
| 13:48.26 | Dizzutch | duh |
| 13:48.27 | Dizzutch | sorry |
| 13:48.42 | sk1p | np ;-) |
| 13:50.36 | Dizzutch | hmm: rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(632) |
| 13:50.58 | sk1p | tried the other mirror? |
| 13:51.06 | sk1p | the uni-muenchen |
| 13:51.16 | sk1p | works for me |
| 13:51.36 | Dizzutch | same thing |
| 13:51.58 | sk1p | strange, any other errors before that one? |
| 13:52.09 | Dizzutch | i got it |
| 13:52.20 | Dizzutch | i accidentally pasted the -avz twice |
| 13:52.30 | simonrvn | heh |
| 13:52.31 | Dizzutch | time for class, thanks |
| 13:52.32 | sk1p | heh, ok :) |
| 13:52.35 | sk1p | hf |
| 13:54.18 | chris`laptop | ugh |
| 13:54.29 | chris`laptop | Philosophy this morning.... I'd better go get some coffee |
| 13:56.13 | simonrvn | and maybe spike it a little |
| 13:56.16 | simonrvn | :P |
| 13:56.51 | chris`laptop | Sounds good |
| 13:57.00 | chris`laptop | It wouldn't be so bad, but it's a logic class |
| 13:57.13 | simonrvn | mm, yeh, not a good idea then |
| 13:57.23 | chris`laptop | 99% of the material is downright trivial if you have any programming experience |
| 13:57.31 | chris`laptop | So I usually pass out during the lecture |
| 13:57.34 | simonrvn | doing logic when tipsy. riiight :) |
| 13:58.43 | chris`laptop | If P then Q blablabla |
| 13:59.34 | simonrvn | nods |
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| 14:28.46 | Joersch | re |
| 14:30.17 | simonrvn | 'lo |
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| 15:37.25 | sloopy | simonrvn: you about? |
| 15:37.51 | simonrvn | yes |
| 15:39.43 | sloopy | IIRC you fixed this error in your source, when i compile the kernel i am getting an error in pmac_nvram.c that pmu_* isnt defined... |
| 15:40.15 | sloopy | i found the code... i just dont know the symbol to use to ifdef it out... |
| 15:42.21 | simonrvn | sec. old bug, that. |
| 15:42.46 | simonrvn | pmac_nvram.c which dir? |
| 15:43.02 | sloopy | heh i know... i should email benh about it... this source is rsync 2.4.24 pulled last night... |
| 15:43.12 | simonrvn | ah yeh |
| 15:43.24 | simonrvn | which dir is it in? |
| 15:44.17 | simonrvn | nm, got it |
| 15:45.37 | simonrvn | unsigned char __openfirmware |
| 15:45.37 | simonrvn | nvram_read_byte(int addr) |
| 15:45.37 | simonrvn | { |
| 15:45.38 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.38 | simonrvn | #ifdef CONFIG_ADB_PMU |
| 15:45.40 | sloopy | line 531 |
| 15:45.40 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.43 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.02 | simonrvn | #endif |
| 15:46.05 | sloopy | ok CONFIG_ADB_PMU got it |
| 15:47.45 | Joersch | hi all... i'am going to install debian on a oldworldmac this weekend... to who must i speak if i want to place an HowTo (which i gonne write afterwards) on the debian port page ? |
| 15:49.06 | simonrvn | ther are some already. the install guide for instance. ad there are some all over the web |
| 15:49.40 | simonrvn | just put it up on a site somewhere, google will find it eventually :) |
| 15:49.59 | Joersch | well... i know... but i searched one which describe my problem, but never found so i thought would be a nice idea |
| 15:50.34 | sloopy | what was/is your problem? |
| 15:50.39 | sloopy | simonrvn: ty |
| 15:50.51 | simonrvn | np |
| 15:51.44 | Joersch | hm... as i said its an oldworldmac, so there is no openfirmware, as i know now it isnt possible just to install debian, there will be macos and debian togehter, with bootx |
| 15:52.08 | sloopy | simonrvn: i also found a spot that the DRM wont compile because there is a section with a reference to agp... |
| 15:52.34 | sloopy | Joersch: what is the problem you were having? |
| 15:53.24 | Joersch | sloopy, i cant just put in an debian cd and install from it, first i was shocked that there isnt a openfirmware showing up, and just macos starts |
| 15:53.53 | simonrvn | @+ig |
| 15:53.55 | ravenbird | from memory, install guide is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ or http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst or if you're totally clueless read http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016&page=1 too |
| 15:54.14 | sloopy | Joersch: this is explained in the install guide... |
| 15:54.54 | Joersch | well, in my opinion not really, but i got a mail which explained me wy it doesnt work, so i know now how to do it |
| 15:55.42 | simonrvn | in your opinion doesn't reflect the reality that booting an oldworld into linux is explained in the install guide |
| 15:55.52 | simonrvn | and elsewhere |
| 15:56.09 | Joersch | well, like i said |
| 15:58.40 | Joersch | because, you cant boot it, you nedd to install bootx tho run linux, so as far as i know, and maybe i'am its wrong, such behaviour isnt told in the documentation |
| 15:58.43 | sloopy | besides oldworlds are bootable to linux, it just depends on how determined you are ;') |
| 15:59.09 | sloopy | wahoo my kernel compiled :') |
| 15:59.35 | simonrvn | Joersch: no, you don't. shows how little of the IG you read. |
| 15:59.43 | simonrvn | or googled. |
| 15:59.53 | Joersch | mabe |
| 15:59.56 | Joersch | y |
| 16:00.09 | simonrvn | Joersch: look. we have nothing against you writing a howto, but you do need to know what you,re talking about, at least a little |
| 16:00.43 | Joersch | well, i hope when i got it working i will know it |
| 16:00.56 | simonrvn | of course you will :) |
| 16:03.10 | sloopy | i just looked at the install manual... |
| 16:04.39 | sloopy | and in the section on booting from CD it says oldworlds cant be booted from cd... now granted after looking at it it should be more clear that bootx should be used or it should point to the section for booting linux on oldworld machines.... |
| 16:05.08 | simonrvn | ah. could have sowrn it was clearer. my apologies Joersch |
| 16:05.19 | sloopy | becasue it is says to boot from floppy... |
| 16:05.35 | simonrvn | yeh, but the installer runs quik :) |
| 16:05.35 | Joersch | so?? |
| 16:05.58 | simonrvn | and on most oldworlds, that works |
| 16:06.36 | Joersch | so am i not that stupid? |
| 16:06.51 | sloopy | simonrvn: yeah true... but it should also mention either bootx or point to the 'Oldworld boot' section lower on the page... |
| 16:07.39 | sloopy | Joersch: the install manual could be clearer but it does have a section named 'Booting Oldworld Power Macs from Mac os' |
| 16:07.46 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 16:10.08 | sloopy | simonrvn: i am trying to remember the last time i used linux on an oldworld ;') |
| 16:10.18 | Joersch | well, i dont wanne start a damn stupid discussion, but i'am in the "Installing Debian..." page and i look at the table of contents... and i cant see such a section... sorry |
| 16:10.18 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 16:10.49 | simonrvn | Joersch: ok, so the doc sucks in places :). look at www.penguinppc.org, under projects/quik |
| 16:10.50 | sloopy | chapter 5 section 4.3 |
| 16:11.24 | Joersch | now i got it, thx |
| 16:12.16 | simonrvn | Joersch: we hate useless arguments too :) |
| 16:12.25 | Joersch | seems to be easy to find.... if you know where it is placed |
| 16:12.33 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 16:13.14 | sloopy | Joersch: i just found it and i didnt know where it was placed... i just scanned the section on booting linux |
| 16:13.37 | Joersch | well, there is a thing my father always say "Give me a kiss, and we are friends again" :-) thx |
| 16:14.36 | sloopy | ACK! |
| 16:14.37 | Joersch | well, just one more little question :-) |
| 16:14.47 | sloopy | no i am not marrying you ;'P |
| 16:14.53 | Joersch | as far as i remember from my last try, the macos does not like my CD's |
| 16:15.18 | Joersch | is ther any thing i must do to make a cd that can be read by my mac? |
| 16:15.44 | sloopy | should already be readable by mac... |
| 16:15.59 | Joersch | okay... its some month ago i tried |
| 16:21.03 | Joersch | and if the installation does not work this weekend, i will be back and ask alot more questions |
| 16:21.41 | sloopy | i am off to try this new kernel... |
| 16:21.48 | sloopy | bootx is my friend :') |
| 16:22.45 | jpablo | morning. |
| 16:22.51 | jpablo | is there an archive of benh kernels ? |
| 16:23.29 | sk1p | check http://ppc.bkbits.net/ |
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| 16:28.48 | jpablo | damn |
| 16:28.56 | jpablo | radeonfb doesn't work on the new benh kernel. |
| 16:29.19 | sk1p | send him a mail |
| 16:31.17 | sk1p | or have a look at http://ppc.bkbits.net:8080/linuxppc-2.5-benh/cset@1.1327?nav=index.html|ChangeSet@-2d |
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| 16:51.55 | sloopy | interesting... with DRI glxgears doesnt run any faster then without... |
| 16:53.06 | sk1p | is it actually acellerated? look at the output of glxinfo |
| 16:55.44 | sloopy | sk1p: it doesnt complain that xfree-dri isnt loaded and the log says dri is running... |
| 16:56.07 | sk1p | hmm... |
| 16:57.08 | sloopy | this is a big let down... went through all the trouble for not much... and the fact DRI will work at a max res of 1024x768 and i prefer 1280x1024, i dont think i will use it much anywho... |
| 16:57.32 | jpablo | sloopy: what glxinfo says? |
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| 16:57.53 | jpablo | Direct rendering: YES ? |
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| 16:59.49 | bddebian | Hello |
| 17:00.05 | jpablo | heya |
| 17:00.49 | *** topic/#debianppc by simonrvn -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test || Install Debian on new (2003) PowerMacs with XFS: http://penguinppc.org/~eb/files/XFS-debian-README.txt || yabon/dri-trunk-sid/ || rsync -avz source.mvista.com::linuxppc-2.5-benh /<your_dir> or rsync.theorie.physik.uni-muenchen.de::linuxppc-2.5-benh - currently 2.6.2-rc1-ben1 |
| 17:00.54 | bddebian | jpablo: Hey. Any luck with the keyboard? |
| 17:00.59 | bddebian | @kick simonrvn |
| 17:01.06 | bddebian | :-0 |
| 17:01.11 | simonrvn | yeh yeh |
| 17:01.18 | sloopy | hmmm glxinfo has a line that says 'direct rendering: no' |
| 17:02.56 | sloopy | how do i get it to say 'direct rendering: YES'? |
| 17:03.01 | jpablo | bddebian: yes, i got it working, with the append="keyboard_sends_linux_keycodes=1" line. |
| 17:03.14 | jpablo | sloopy: configuring dri propelly ? |
| 17:03.17 | bddebian | ah cool |
| 17:03.26 | dude | did I miss something ? Is it now mandatory to be violent ? |
| 17:03.40 | sloopy | jpablo: that is clear as mud... |
| 17:04.17 | simonrvn | jpablo: turn CONFIG_MAC_ADBKEYCODES off |
| 17:04.34 | simonrvn | jpablo: that will fix it |
| 17:04.58 | simonrvn | inputdev takes cares of that now |
| 17:05.17 | jpablo | simonrvn: well i tried disableing some ABD stuff in the make menuconfig and never worked right, so i added that line. |
| 17:05.23 | bddebian | dude: No, simonrvn likes a good kicking now and then.. ;-) |
| 17:05.26 | jpablo | next time i will edit .config directly. |
| 17:05.49 | simonrvn | jpablo: no need. just turn it off in menuconfig |
| 17:06.21 | jpablo | simonrvn: i tried, maybe i didn't get the right combination. |
| 17:06.26 | simonrvn | and please note the # DO NOT EDIT at the top. that's for people who don't know how |
| 17:07.32 | jpablo | hehe, i have edited it serveral times in my x86, but it is my first time with a mac |
| 17:08.05 | jpablo | any way, gotta go. |
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| 17:08.12 | Chain|G4e | re |
| 17:08.38 | simonrvn | in 2.4.24 source: |
| 17:10.02 | simonrvn | drivers -> mac device drivers -> |
| 17:10.27 | simonrvn | bddebian: no i don't. you continue, i might get pissed off enough to ban you |
| 17:10.44 | simonrvn | [ ] Support for ADB raw keycodes |
| 17:10.50 | simonrvn | i.e., off |
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| 17:36.28 | mejde | Hello. I'm new to Debian and I'm trying to get my Radeon 9200 to work. I run unstable and understand I need Xfree86 4.3. What's the easiest way to install it? |
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| 17:38.27 | simonrvn | @+experimental |
| 17:38.29 | ravenbird | experimental is If you want to use some certain packages in experimental (probably xfree86 4.3.0), you need first a sources.list line of 'deb http://debian.mirror/debian/ ../project/experimental main', then 'Package: *', 'Pin: release a=experimental', 'Priority: 1001' in /etc/apt/preferences. Remember, it's hard to get to for a reason! do: apt-get -t experimental install foo bar |
| 17:38.40 | simonrvn | and ignore the part about pinning |
| 17:38.55 | bddebian | Ban meee... Doh |
| 17:39.48 | bddebian | :-( |
| 17:43.51 | mejde | simonrvn: Ok. Just to make sure, I shouldn't add Pin: but Package: and Priority: to /etc/apt/preferences |
| 17:43.52 | bddebian | simonrvn: Sorry man, I just like playing around, didn't realize you were offended by it.. ;-9 |
| 17:44.19 | simonrvn | mejde: ignore that part |
| 17:44.43 | simonrvn | bddebian: not so much offened, as it was reaching an unacceptable annoyance level |
| 17:44.50 | simonrvn | offended even |
| 17:46.04 | mejde | simonrvn: Sorry if I'm a bit slow ;) Should I ignore /etc/apt/preferences altogether. |
| 17:46.17 | simonrvn | yes |
| 17:46.26 | bddebian | Oh come on, I haven't even been on #debianppc in like 3 weeks.. :-) |
| 17:46.50 | mejde | simonrvn: thanks |
| 17:47.29 | simonrvn | bddebian: every time you get on and you saw me, you'd lart me. once in a while i don't give a crap, but every time. gets annoying trust me |
| 17:48.47 | bddebian | OK, OK, I will stop... :-( |
| 17:49.05 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 17:49.32 | simonrvn | ... |
| 17:49.44 | bddebian | I think debious is a good candidate.. :-) |
| 17:50.08 | sloopy | bddebian: yes he is... |
| 17:50.36 | bddebian | :-0 |
| 17:50.46 | sloopy | bddebian: and call him 'spooky' ;') |
| 17:51.09 | bddebian | BTW, this is probably a dumb question but what is thinksecret? |
| 17:51.31 | sloopy | thinksecret? |
| 17:51.48 | bddebian | Whatever the hell it is called. :-) |
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| 17:52.01 | sloopy | what is called? |
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| 17:52.33 | bddebian | Where he was asking you if you were sloopy from....(insert name here) |
| 17:57.03 | sloopy | hmmm... cant tell you...its a secret... and dont type '/join #thinksecret' and dont go to http://www.thinksecret.com |
| 17:57.54 | bddebian | Bah.. :-) |
| 17:58.42 | sloopy | bddebian: dont do it or you will be horse-whipped... |
| 17:58.53 | bddebian | Egads It's smash-n-toss stuff.. :-) |
| 17:59.16 | simonrvn | g5 xserves? whoah |
| 17:59.35 | sloopy | simonrvn: really? wow... maybe one day i will own one :') |
| 18:00.08 | simonrvn | hehehe. in 10 years maybe, heh |
| 18:00.20 | sloopy | not that they are really a suprise... was a matter of time... |
| 18:00.33 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 18:00.34 | sloopy | simonrvn: heh yeah be optimistic :') |
| 18:01.52 | simonrvn | i am. :) |
| 18:02.22 | sloopy | personally i would be happy with a machine made this centry :') |
| 18:02.46 | bddebian | Find me a job and I'll buy ya both G5's.. ;-) |
| 18:03.22 | sloopy | bddebian: ok come over here and you got a job... |
| 18:03.36 | sloopy | you can have my job so i can get another job :') |
| 18:04.27 | bddebian | Where is here? :-) |
| 18:05.17 | sloopy | new jersey... real close to atlantic city... |
| 18:05.33 | bddebian | Sweet, we are moving to Philly area |
| 18:05.56 | sloopy | where are you now? |
| 18:06.02 | bddebian | California |
| 18:06.10 | sloopy | why you moving? |
| 18:06.32 | chris`work | y^0 |
| 18:06.42 | bddebian | California sucks and is too expensive, I got fired, and my wife is from Philly area.. |
| 18:06.52 | sloopy | chris`work: greets |
| 18:07.01 | bddebian | heya chris`work |
| 18:07.02 | chris`work | I enjoyed cali but it was definitely expensive |
| 18:07.17 | chris`work | Then again, anything is better than columbus |
| 18:07.42 | bddebian | OH? |
| 18:07.48 | chris`work | Yes |
| 18:07.53 | sloopy | well when you come you can have my job... just remember that it isnt tough but if you mess up too bad you will be killed by the boss.... |
| 18:08.16 | chris`work | I have to go talk to a professor about a research job in a few minutes |
| 18:08.34 | chris`work | Something about an intelligent sensor project, I was recommended apparently |
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| 18:09.16 | sloopy | good luck |
| 18:09.51 | simonrvn | break a leg ;) |
| 18:10.25 | chris`work | There is the issue that I have no experience in the area |
| 18:10.39 | chris`work | But apparently they don't expect any from undergrads, but you have to learn quickly |
| 18:10.53 | bddebian | Welcomee to thee club. I want a linux job but have little experiience.. :-( |
| 18:11.12 | chris`work | oh, I have lots of linux experience |
| 18:11.20 | chris`work | Just no "intelligent sensor" experience |
| 18:11.36 | bddebian | I have M$ experience and suuch... :-( |
| 18:12.18 | sloopy | all of my video production experience was OJT... |
| 18:12.49 | bighawk | hi |
| 18:12.49 | chris`work | well, I should leave |
| 18:12.52 | chris`work | Want to be early |
| 18:13.07 | sloopy | chris`work: put in a good word for me too when you get it :') |
| 18:13.25 | sloopy | bddebian: so you want my job? please?!?!?! |
| 18:15.43 | bighawk | how much power does an optical logical mouse consume? |
| 18:18.15 | bddebian | sloopy: Does it pay $90K+?? |
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| 18:20.02 | sloopy | bddebian: doesnt pay me anything... other people would get ~$200 a week... |
| 18:20.14 | simonrvn | what? |
| 18:20.57 | sloopy | brb i have to work... be back in 10 mins... |
| 18:23.30 | simonrvn | bddebian: BTW, welcome back :) |
| 18:25.16 | bddebian | Gee thankss.. i think.. :-0 |
| 18:25.18 | bddebian | damn keyboard... |
| 18:26.27 | bddebian | sloopy: Well I am going to have to make a lot more than nothing if I am buying you and simonrvn G5's! ;-P |
| 18:26.32 | simonrvn | well, you said you were gone for 3 weeks (and it has been about that) |
| 18:26.38 | simonrvn | @wb bddebian |
| 18:26.40 | ravenbird | Welcome back bddebian, oh lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 18:26.58 | bddebian | :-) |
| 18:29.27 | sloopy | grr... |
| 18:30.27 | sloopy | anyone want my job? please?!?!? please take my job!!! |
| 18:30.48 | powerbook | what is your job sloopy? |
| 18:31.03 | powerbook | are you Windows NT administrator? |
| 18:31.04 | sloopy | powerbook: if i say no one will take the job... |
| 18:31.13 | sloopy | i wish... i would do windows over this... |
| 18:31.18 | simonrvn | what is it? |
| 18:31.38 | sloopy | i am a domestic engineer... |
| 18:32.49 | sloopy | uh no one familiar with that term? |
| 18:32.59 | sloopy | how about this one ' Mr. Mom ' |
| 18:34.51 | powerbook | hm |
| 18:35.20 | sloopy | powerbook: see no one wants my job... |
| 18:35.28 | powerbook | are you housewife? |
| 18:35.29 | powerbook | :-) |
| 18:35.47 | bddebian | sloopy: :-) |
| 18:36.28 | sloopy | yes |
| 18:36.40 | powerbook | enjoy the easy life! |
| 18:38.20 | simonrvn | oh yeh i know that. that's ok :) |
| 18:38.27 | simonrvn | sloopy: ^^ |
| 18:38.38 | simonrvn | house husband |
| 18:38.41 | simonrvn | :) |
| 18:38.49 | simonrvn | or house spouse ;) |
| 18:39.16 | bddebian | sloopy: Would I get to "service" the neighborhood wives?? ;-P |
| 18:39.38 | simonrvn | @veggiesmite bddebian |
| 18:39.51 | bddebian | ewww |
| 18:39.59 | simonrvn | bddebian: see, now i wouldn't mind getting @larted for instance ;) |
| 18:40.14 | bddebian | :-) |
| 18:40.28 | bddebian | I hate vegetables |
| 18:40.31 | bddebian | :-) |
| 18:41.54 | sloopy | uh... let me put it to you this way... the details are so bad that living in NJ isnt even on the top 10 of bad things... |
| 18:42.06 | bddebian | :-) |
| 18:43.38 | sloopy | children: 19months and 8 months... in the downstairs of a small split level... live with in-laws... mother-in-law isnt working because she broke her wrist, father-in-law... well this is my .sig |
| 18:44.02 | sloopy | i used to think bill gates was the biggest asshole in america until i lived with my father-in-law... |
| 18:44.11 | simonrvn | wee. :( |
| 18:44.16 | bddebian | heh |
| 18:46.03 | sloopy | that is just the L1 cache stuff... havnt even gotten to the L2 cache :') |
| 18:46.59 | simonrvn | oh boy. owie |
| 18:47.27 | simonrvn | the kids i wouldn't mind, but the in-laws would drive me nuts in a small house... |
| 18:49.04 | sloopy | one night... at around 2am father-in-law started yelling and screaming because i used the soap that was in the soap dish cause there was none in the shower... |
| 18:49.33 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 18:50.20 | sloopy | i have a cable modem that father-in-law pays for... he doesnt want me to hook his machine up to the router becuase he does 'important secret government' stuff... (he is the deputy co-ordinator for emergency managment...) but yet he uses dial up.... via AOL.... |
| 18:50.42 | bddebian | hahahaha |
| 18:51.23 | simonrvn | dumbass |
| 18:51.45 | simonrvn | you can quote me if you want :) |
| 18:52.13 | bighawk | maybe he uses strong cryptography over aol |
| 18:52.35 | bighawk | there's nothing wrong with using lousy internet service providers with strong data inspection and low security if you add your own security layers |
| 18:52.36 | bddebian | oh yeah.. |
| 18:52.41 | simonrvn | yeh, riiight. aol is effectively spyware, esp. with the "parental control" shite |
| 18:53.10 | simonrvn | bighawk: yeh, point. but is he doing that? we don't know |
| 18:53.16 | bighawk | probably not |
| 18:53.27 | simonrvn | my thought too |
| 18:53.59 | sloopy | bighawk: uh... he came down a month ago thinking he was getting attacked because he was being port scanned by AOL... |
| 18:54.22 | bighawk | tip: why dont you move out? to your own nice home? :) |
| 18:54.41 | simonrvn | yeh, he's clueless |
| 18:54.42 | sloopy | bighawk: money... i dont have any cause i am unemployed ;') |
| 18:55.03 | bighawk | well |
| 18:55.14 | bighawk | there are _way_ too many clueless users |
| 18:55.19 | sloopy | simonrvn: its more then that... mrs sloopy went up the other night to show him how to save a pdf he had gotten as an emial attachment... |
| 18:55.20 | bighawk | best is not to care/ignore them |
| 18:55.42 | simonrvn | in wonbloze i bet too... |
| 18:55.44 | simonrvn | win* |
| 18:56.00 | sloopy | yes... win98... which he ahs been using for 5 years now... |
| 18:56.04 | simonrvn | bddebian: you're more clueful than a lot of people. you managed to install linux |
| 18:56.34 | sloopy | bighawk: hard to ignoree someone whose house you live in ;') |
| 18:56.35 | bddebian | And GNU/Hurd!! :-) |
| 18:56.42 | simonrvn | ...and hasn't patched it since he first installed it.. |
| 18:56.48 | simonrvn | bddebian: nice |
| 18:56.59 | sloopy | simonrvn: wots a patch? ;') |
| 18:57.06 | simonrvn | heheheh |
| 18:57.38 | bighawk | why would you run hurd? |
| 18:57.46 | bddebian | because it's fun |
| 18:57.57 | bighawk | uhuh, ok |
| 18:58.02 | simonrvn | for the fuck of it :) |
| 18:58.10 | bighawk | i only run things which are practical, not for fun, heh |
| 18:58.25 | bddebian | Yep. It is kind of a way to get interested in OS design/theory, etc |
| 18:58.27 | simonrvn | bah gotta have fun sometimes :) |
| 18:59.01 | sloopy | bddebian: run murtl if you want fun... |
| 18:59.18 | bighawk | simonrvn: oh, i do have fun, but useful fun :) |
| 18:59.24 | bighawk | hurd is clearly a massive failure and quite pointless |
| 18:59.56 | bighawk | people have been working on hurd since halfway the 80s, and it still got nowhere |
| 19:00.09 | bddebian | That is not true. If nothihng else it is good for theory/research into microkernels |
| 19:00.41 | bighawk | there are much and much more interesting microkernel operating systems |
| 19:00.51 | bighawk | which are actually in a useable and useful state |
| 19:00.55 | simonrvn | bsd for instance |
| 19:01.05 | bighawk | *bsd isn't typically a microkernel at all |
| 19:01.32 | sloopy | Big_luk: OS X? |
| 19:01.49 | bighawk | osx is monolithic |
| 19:01.53 | bighawk | it's not a microkernel either |
| 19:02.04 | bighawk | mach is a microkernel |
| 19:02.30 | bighawk | but xnu (which inherits from mach) isn't a microkernel |
| 19:03.08 | simonrvn | i was reading something on xnu the other day.. it's rather complex a system actually |
| 19:03.21 | bighawk | xnu? |
| 19:03.22 | sloopy | mmurtl? |
| 19:03.25 | simonrvn | it has triats of a microkernel, but it isn't |
| 19:03.31 | simonrvn | traits* |
| 19:03.32 | bighawk | simonrvn: xnu seems to be quite simple to me |
| 19:03.45 | bighawk | simonrvn: it's less complex than freebsd for example (and less advanced) |
| 19:04.14 | simonrvn | overall, but it makes calls to its own stuff, to the mach stuff, and the bsd stuff, and there's coordination between the various layers |
| 19:04.23 | sloopy | DOS on an atari 800? :'D |
| 19:04.28 | bighawk | yeah ok |
| 19:04.45 | bighawk | but overall, i would find the xnu kernel a lot more simple than the freebsd or linux kernels |
| 19:04.52 | bighawk | (and less advanced) |
| 19:05.20 | simonrvn | yeh. what i meant by complex is that its subsystems have to interact in different ways |
| 19:05.39 | simonrvn | not just say, via pid, but also via the bsd stuff for instance |
| 19:05.46 | bighawk | via pid? |
| 19:06.03 | bighawk | pic/process structure would come from bsd |
| 19:06.10 | bighawk | and it would have to interact with the way mach handles that |
| 19:06.31 | simonrvn | and it does |
| 19:06.46 | bighawk | s/pic/pid/ |
| 19:07.19 | sloopy | brb this 1024x768 is crampin my space... |
| 19:07.20 | simonrvn | ok, so i don't remember all of it ;) |
| 19:07.36 | simonrvn | fuck.. you're spoiled sloopy :) |
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| 19:07.45 | bighawk | 1024x768 is not too bad |
| 19:07.46 | simonrvn | i'm at 832x624 right now.. |
| 19:07.48 | sloopy | simonrvn: spoiled? how? |
| 19:08.01 | sloopy | yeah well you should the 'colors' on this monitor :') |
| 19:08.46 | bighawk | did anybody try mozilla 1.6 yet? |
| 19:09.10 | simonrvn | i have 4 MB VRAM and i can't get this stupid thing to display higher res. (i think the monitor has to do with it....) |
| 19:09.49 | simonrvn | if i try to run 1024x768, it makes a virtual desktop :( |
| 19:09.53 | sloopy | what monitor? |
| 19:09.55 | simonrvn | nope |
| 19:10.03 | simonrvn | 15" multiscan, apple |
| 19:11.07 | sloopy | hmmm... why you using an apple monitor? |
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| 19:11.52 | simonrvn | because it's what i have |
| 19:12.05 | sloopy | you have no vga monitors? |
| 19:12.18 | simonrvn | no. |
| 19:12.29 | sloopy | get one... |
| 19:12.40 | bddebian | One could argue that Winblows NT is a microkernel if you wanted too |
| 19:13.05 | Bor_Ed | 13.5 MB microkernel ??? |
| 19:13.05 | Bor_Ed | umm |
| 19:13.05 | sloopy | one could also argue NT is a stable OS... |
| 19:13.09 | bddebian | Haha |
| 19:13.13 | bighawk | i bought myself a linux based wireless access point, seems pretty cool |
| 19:13.16 | Bor_Ed | yea sloopy :) |
| 19:13.16 | simonrvn | with what cash? our income/month is ~1100$ CDN for 2 people... |
| 19:13.56 | sloopy | simonrvn: i got this monitor for free,,, all i have to do is ignore the color 'problem' |
| 19:14.22 | sloopy | besides... we make $1500/month and that is for 5 people... |
| 19:14.27 | simonrvn | ouch |
| 19:14.43 | Bor_Ed | here 700 € for 3 |
| 19:14.48 | simonrvn | ouch |
| 19:15.00 | bighawk | 250/month for 1! |
| 19:15.02 | Bor_Ed | 4 soon |
| 19:15.06 | bddebian | Here $0 for 5... :-( |
| 19:15.13 | bighawk | but i dont have to pay for much :) |
| 19:15.29 | simonrvn | our rent is 415 |
| 19:15.38 | bighawk | my parents pay my rent |
| 19:15.42 | Bor_Ed | here 486 €/mo |
| 19:15.43 | bddebian | Hah, my mortgage is over $2000/mo |
| 19:15.43 | sloopy | my rent is just buying food for the in-laws... |
| 19:17.01 | simonrvn | i don,t feel so alone in using linux for the 'free as in beer' aspects as well as the 'free as in speech' aspects |
| 19:18.17 | sloopy | simonrvn: i use linux cause its free... as in 'free of crashes' as opposed to mac os 9 ;') |
| 19:18.20 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 19:18.32 | simonrvn | hehehe, that too :) |
| 19:19.05 | bddebian | Why not OS X since it is so wonderful... pfftt :-) |
| 19:19.20 | simonrvn | and slow as molassess |
| 19:19.23 | simonrvn | -s |
| 19:19.41 | bddebian | Hence that lovely Mach "microkernel".. ;-p |
| 19:19.44 | simonrvn | though i hear it isn't so bad in "darwin" mode, or whatever |
| 19:20.03 | simonrvn | console, basically |
| 19:21.30 | Bor_Ed | maybe mockosx would be usable if it'd have as bloated (and snappy) gui as xfce is :) |
| 19:21.56 | bddebian | Bah, i'll stick to Debian on PPC archs until I can port L4/Hurd to PPC.. ;-p |
| 19:22.05 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:22.18 | chris`work | woohoo |
| 19:22.23 | chris`work | Just got back from the interview |
| 19:22.29 | simonrvn | and? |
| 19:22.31 | bddebian | and/ |
| 19:22.42 | chris`work | Apparently I now have a new job *and* an undergraduate research position |
| 19:22.48 | simonrvn | positive feedback, negative, what? |
| 19:22.55 | simonrvn | chris`work: woohoo, congrats |
| 19:22.56 | bddebian | Congrats! |
| 19:23.10 | chris`work | Which is awesome since undergrad research is a pain to get |
| 19:25.27 | sloopy | chris`work: congrats |
| 19:25.35 | chris`work | Colleges like Berkeley also have requirements of stuff like undergrad research if you want to have any chance to get into their grad program |
| 19:25.38 | chris`work | So this is cool |
| 19:25.56 | simonrvn | niice |
| 19:26.09 | chris`work | oh, and it's a DARPA project |
| 19:26.28 | chris`work | http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/siefast/nest/nest_webpage/ALineInTheSand.html |
| 19:26.30 | chris`work | There it is |
| 19:26.31 | bddebian | Cool |
| 19:26.42 | bddebian | The new Internet?? ;-P |
| 19:28.15 | sloopy | chris`work: nice... looks like fun... |
| 19:28.36 | chris`work | Hopefully it will be |
| 19:28.54 | chris`work | The sensors all use TinyOS (a really tiny linux derivative) |
| 19:29.21 | sloopy | chris`work: is it a 'microkernel' :'D |
| 19:29.27 | bddebian | Hehe |
| 19:29.30 | bddebian | touche' |
| 19:29.45 | chris`work | sloopy: heh |
| 19:30.04 | sloopy | bighawk: no comments? ;'P |
| 19:31.26 | sloopy | brb this 1024x768 is crampin my space... (for real this time... |
| 19:33.43 | chris`work | Anyone applied that firmware hack for ibooks that enables spanning and higher resolutions? |
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| 19:33.57 | chris`work | Curious as to whether that allows higher resolutions on the linux side of things |
| 19:34.48 | sloopy | chris`work: whats that? |
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| 19:35.29 | chris`work | sloopy: <chris`work> Anyone applied that firmware hack for ibooks that enables spanning and higher resolutions? |
| 19:35.56 | chris`work | Also curious as to how the screen looks at higher resolutions since the screen has 1024x768 pixels |
| 19:38.41 | sloopy | chris`work: ahh... i wish i knew... my newest powerbook is a 540c... |
| 19:39.12 | simonrvn | my newest pb is '' |
| 19:39.31 | chris`work | as is mine |
| 19:42.16 | sloopy | hmmm there is a guy at my door from the EPA making comments about my sons diaper... |
| 19:42.56 | bddebian | Hahaha |
| 19:43.03 | bddebian | I know that feeling1!! |
| 19:43.46 | chris`work | )uh |
| 19:43.51 | chris`work | sloopy: please don't give any more details |
| 19:44.08 | chris`work | It looks like I'm the only white guy on this research project |
| 19:44.12 | chris`work | I'm a minority! |
| 19:46.23 | sloopy | chris`work: i wont... but does anyone have any spare bio-hazzard disposal bags? :') |
| 19:46.45 | chris`work | sloopy: stop feeding him! |
| 19:47.00 | bddebian | Give him some chili!! |
| 19:47.08 | sloopy | lol... then he will throw his sippy cup at me... |
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| 19:47.17 | dho | hello |
| 19:47.22 | bddebian | Heya dho |
| 19:47.35 | sloopy | bddebian: odd you mention that... last time EPA visited was when i was making chili... |
| 19:47.40 | dho | anyone have a desktop environment they would recomend I try? tried kde gnome and blackbox briefly |
| 19:48.18 | bddebian | sloopy: :-) |
| 19:48.18 | sloopy | dho: icewm, or fluxbox for low resource use... |
| 19:48.25 | bddebian | dho: KDE |
| 19:48.27 | dho | sloopy? |
| 19:48.33 | dho | kde is cool |
| 19:48.34 | bddebian | or xpde.. ;-P |
| 19:48.48 | dho | i stil am learning its details |
| 19:49.00 | chris`work | I don't use desktop environments |
| 19:49.04 | chris`work | Openbox3 is all I need |
| 19:49.10 | dho | Openbox 3? |
| 19:49.16 | sloopy | bddebian: well... it was a 'little' hot... i accidently put a full tsp of endophen rush in a pot... |
| 19:49.30 | bddebian | sheesh |
| 19:50.07 | dho | i am at school now and bored so i am installing as many wms on my home computer as possible. when i go home for lunch in 10 mins i get to play around :) |
| 19:50.11 | sloopy | uh-oh... son just discovered the front of the VCR has a hole in it you can open.... |
| 19:50.31 | dho | what is openbox 3? |
| 19:50.50 | simonrvn | xfce4 |
| 19:51.00 | simonrvn | yeh openbox 3 is nice |
| 19:51.22 | chris`work | It's small, fast and configurable as hell |
| 19:51.36 | dho | xfce4? is it any good? |
| 19:52.15 | Bor_Ed | xfce4 is good |
| 19:52.28 | Bor_Ed | smooth even on 601/90 with 64 megs |
| 19:52.39 | simonrvn | i like it. it's smaller than kde/gnome, looks nice, and works. no desktop icons, but who cares :) |
| 19:53.01 | dho | heh |
| 19:53.21 | sloopy | come on if my quadra 800 can run KDE then everyone should be running KDE!!! |
| 19:53.25 | chris`work | I haven't had desktop icons in at least a year |
| 19:53.44 | Bor_Ed | #DEFINE KDE runs ? |
| 19:54.03 | sloopy | you get a desktop that you can load apps and do things... |
| 19:54.14 | Bor_Ed | in same week ? |
| 19:54.16 | chris`work | I call lies |
| 19:54.20 | dho | i am still a little unsure how ou add stuff to the kde app bar |
| 19:54.28 | dho | ive used it for probobly 20 mins tops |
| 19:54.37 | sloopy | (i never made any kind of remark about speed or how loose of a term i am defineing 'realtime' to be here...) |
| 19:55.21 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: only ~10mins from 'startx' until gandolfs tips finished closing... |
| 19:55.39 | Bor_Ed | sloopy, xfce4 takes here ~20 secs ... |
| 19:55.54 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: what kind of machine? |
| 19:56.06 | Bor_Ed | pmac 7200/90 with 64 megs |
| 19:56.11 | dho | sloopy 10mins? thats forever |
| 19:56.15 | dho | why would you use that? |
| 19:56.26 | sloopy | dho: a Quadra 800 is a 33Mhz 040... |
| 19:56.42 | Bor_Ed | this is 90 MHz 601 ... not a speed daemon either |
| 19:56.43 | dho | but why use that window manager if it takes forever to load? |
| 19:56.44 | sloopy | it wasnt planned... i didnt realize KDE was default for debian install... |
| 19:56.53 | dho | i mean you probobly cant make good use of it anyway |
| 19:56.59 | dho | because most apps on it to slow |
| 19:57.07 | dho | oh ok |
| 19:57.10 | sloopy | no you cant... a xterm took over a min to load... |
| 19:57.17 | Bor_Ed | gee |
| 19:57.18 | dho | lol |
| 19:57.37 | sloopy | but i thought it interesting that it did work... i figured it would puke for lack of resources... |
| 19:57.38 | dho | whats the deal with twm anyway? |
| 19:57.41 | Bor_Ed | just do baseinstall and install x-window-system (gets twm and xdm, nothing extra :) |
| 19:58.00 | dho | what is xdm anyway? |
| 19:58.15 | sloopy | it has twm on it... when i hook the machine up again i am gonna put icewm-gnome on it... icewm runs fine on it... |
| 19:58.19 | Bor_Ed | x display manager, login screen that's from ~60's |
| 19:58.39 | dho | cya time to go home for lunch |
| 19:58.46 | Bor_Ed | later |
| 19:59.29 | simonrvn | sloopy: kde isn't default. only if you install 'desktop environment' via tasksel, even then |
| 19:59.47 | Bor_Ed | tasksel, dselect ... aww :I |
| 20:00.04 | sloopy | simonrvn: yeah via tasksel... |
| 20:00.11 | simonrvn | DT env. is like all of kde, gnome, and various other things... |
| 20:00.11 | Bor_Ed | apt-get, aptitude/synaptic :) |
| 20:00.56 | simonrvn | it's overkill for a workstation. much better suited to something like an LTSP network, or something like that |
| 20:01.05 | bddebian | apt-get attitude-adjustment.. :-) |
| 20:01.11 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:01.18 | Bor_Ed | no such package ?-o |
| 20:01.33 | Bor_Ed | do I need experimental sources ?? |
| 20:01.40 | simonrvn | for? |
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| 20:01.48 | sloopy | hmmm mars lander hasnt had meaningful xmit in 24 hours... |
| 20:01.49 | simonrvn | oh, doh =) |
| 20:01.50 | Bor_Ed | attitude-adjustment |
| 20:01.52 | Bor_Ed | LOL |
| 20:01.59 | simonrvn | sloopy: eek |
| 20:02.03 | bddebian | :-) |
| 20:02.17 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, you just didn't get it ?-PP |
| 20:03.08 | simonrvn | took me a sec *blush*. but i did get it finally |
| 20:03.10 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: no, connection reset by beer... |
| 20:03.17 | simonrvn | *hick* |
| 20:03.17 | sloopy | err... peer? |
| 20:03.27 | Bor_Ed | sloopy ? |
| 20:03.57 | simonrvn | connection reset by ph33r my l33tn355 |
| 20:04.01 | sloopy | apt-get attitude-adj... connection reset by peer? |
| 20:04.03 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 20:04.55 | simonrvn | (0/\//\/3(710/\/ r3Z37 bY p|-|33r /\/\y |_337/\/3ZZ |
| 20:04.56 | sloopy | simonrvn: i am the one with the m68k linux runnin.. JOO PH33R ! l337ne55!!! |
| 20:05.11 | Bor_Ed | aww, I dont' have 1337 script -> english ... |
| 20:05.16 | simonrvn | i've had m68k linux running too ;) |
| 20:05.28 | sloopy | had or have? |
| 20:05.37 | simonrvn | had. can get it again :) |
| 20:05.54 | simonrvn | jsut need to put the q800 back together |
| 20:05.56 | Bor_Ed | and could put linux/m68 to dualboot lc |
| 20:06.07 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: lc wont run linux... |
| 20:06.12 | Bor_Ed | it will |
| 20:06.15 | simonrvn | nommu yes |
| 20:06.19 | Bor_Ed | umm |
| 20:06.24 | Bor_Ed | lc has 040 ... |
| 20:06.29 | Bor_Ed | lc475 |
| 20:06.33 | simonrvn | that one does |
| 20:06.38 | Bor_Ed | 36 megs ram etc ... |
| 20:06.44 | simonrvn | brb. exiting bloated xserver |
| 20:06.44 | sloopy | 475 is LC040? |
| 20:06.44 | Bor_Ed | just need fpu emu kernel |
| 20:06.48 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 20:07.07 | sloopy | case dis-missed on account of pity... |
| 20:07.13 | Curalton | threepwood: #debianppc *de* - du birne :P |
| 20:07.16 | Bor_Ed | I might upgrade the chip to 68G040R25 |
| 20:08.27 | simonrvn | re |
| 20:08.32 | Bor_Ed | the IIci I have is gonna be aux only sys ... I want new unix to mess with, AIX on rs's and hp-ux on hp-pa were too friggin bloated/wattage hungy |
| 20:09.33 | sloopy | wish i had my rs6k :'/ |
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| 20:09.48 | Bor_Ed | I sold my 2 last spring |
| 20:10.01 | sloopy | how much/which models? |
| 20:10.19 | Bor_Ed | power1/44 and 601/60 ... don't recall models |
| 20:10.21 | Bor_Ed | umm |
| 20:10.33 | Bor_Ed | ppc was 7012 |
| 20:10.50 | sloopy | ahhh mine was a 43P... 200Mhz 604... |
| 20:10.56 | sloopy | i lost it in a move... |
| 20:11.09 | Bor_Ed | 43p runs even linux ... my both were mca based ... |
| 20:11.21 | sloopy | yeah i know thats why i got it... |
| 20:11.35 | sloopy | it used to run a MRI machine... |
| 20:11.50 | Bor_Ed | I got the rs's for free to mess with unix ... got tired in some weeks when I spotted the PSU rating (750watts :) |
| 20:15.10 | simonrvn | ouch |
| 20:15.28 | simonrvn | fucking hogs, aren't they |
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| 20:18.06 | sloopy | max watts on this 9600 is 500... |
| 20:18.10 | sloopy | it was interesting how i got the RS6k.. |
| 20:19.00 | demon | hehe |
| 20:19.11 | demon | yeah, if you can find a decent one that doesn't cost a damned fortune |
| 20:19.39 | sloopy | i got it for the cost of time... |
| 20:19.41 | Bor_Ed | I'd know one power1 or 601 for free :P |
| 20:19.58 | bddebian | I could have had one free a while back but I wasn't interested at the time.. :-( What a loser.. :-( |
| 20:20.16 | Bor_Ed | tho I've got nice macs nowadays specced from psu from 35 watts to 149 :) |
| 20:20.49 | Bor_Ed | a bit healthier when we pay from electricity |
| 20:21.38 | sloopy | i had gotten 4 of them... |
| 20:22.19 | Bor_Ed | I had original aix 4.3.2 media and 6 licenses (multiuser) when I picked the boxes :P |
| 20:23.03 | sloopy | um... uh... i couldnt get AIX... they werent exaclty 'legal'... |
| 20:23.41 | Bor_Ed | here ibm fi ships aix on request from support ... usually the boxes have lifetime deal |
| 20:24.14 | bddebian | Why do you neeed AIX when there is Debian?? :-) |
| 20:24.24 | Bor_Ed | real unix on real gear |
| 20:24.42 | bddebian | bah.. :-) |
| 20:24.44 | Bor_Ed | same reason I'm installing aux on IIci (when I get the buggr to start installer) |
| 20:25.16 | Bor_Ed | I have enough linuxes here already |
| 20:25.29 | sloopy | aux uses like X8R2 or something... |
| 20:26.08 | Bor_Ed | a sec, I'll check the buggr |
| 20:26.15 | bddebian | You can never have enouogh Linuxess.. ;-P |
| 20:26.22 | bddebian | Why not Solaris x86? :-) |
| 20:26.33 | Bor_Ed | I have slowaris/x86 |
| 20:26.41 | Bor_Ed | ran it a while, slow as the name says |
| 20:26.42 | bddebian | hehe |
| 20:27.00 | bddebian | I had it on a Dell PowerEdge PPro 200.. whew... :-( |
| 20:27.17 | Bor_Ed | I had it on k6-3/450 |
| 20:27.39 | Bor_Ed | sloopy, X11R5 |
| 20:27.51 | sloopy | wow... not that old... |
| 20:27.52 | Bor_Ed | umm, nope |
| 20:28.10 | sloopy | must have been the MacX i had then... |
| 20:28.13 | Bor_Ed | doing RTFM ... just saw that but it was 'is ... available' |
| 20:28.52 | sloopy | hmmm maybe i should put it on my IIci... |
| 20:29.03 | Bor_Ed | want addy for isos ? |
| 20:29.17 | sloopy | i have A/UX 3 |
| 20:29.24 | Bor_Ed | ookay |
| 20:29.44 | Bor_Ed | FAQ doesn't say what the X is other than MacX |
| 20:29.50 | sloopy | hmmm give it too me anywho.,.. i dont feel like looking for it... |
| 20:29.57 | Bor_Ed | I have 3.0.1+3.1 update |
| 20:30.19 | sloopy | MacX is a seperat product... it was a X 'client' for system 6 machines... |
| 20:31.08 | Bor_Ed | aww shite, site isn't on .bash_history ... simonrvn ? |
| 20:31.36 | Bor_Ed | it was on some .de univ incoming ftp |
| 20:32.10 | Bor_Ed | could be ftp://ftp.geo.tu-freiberg.de ... not 100% sure |
| 20:34.33 | sloopy | hmmm found my A/UX cd in the middle of 6 frank zappa cd's |
| 20:34.53 | Bor_Ed | wee |
| 20:38.53 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: what? |
| 20:39.21 | simonrvn | oh, sec |
| 20:39.39 | simonrvn | ftp://ftp.geo.tu-freiberg.de/pub/incoming/ |
| 20:40.22 | Bor_Ed | thanks |
| 20:40.28 | simonrvn | k |
| 20:40.35 | Bor_Ed | wee, I had right addy anyway :) |
| 20:40.52 | Bor_Ed | sloopy, ^ has 3.1 updates cd |
| 20:43.17 | simonrvn | yeh you did :) |
| 20:44.04 | Bor_Ed | just need to fix the dang ram issue on IIci and get it to friggin boot the floppy :I |
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| 20:54.41 | sloopy_ | hmmm i dont think my A/UX cd is good any more... |
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| 21:00.12 | sloopy_ | i put it in the cd-rw and it said no media present... put it in the cd-rom drive and the machine locked up... |
| 21:00.35 | sloopy_ | then as i am restarting the machine the boy turns it off.. |
| 21:25.32 | simonrvn | ouch |
| 21:26.17 | sloopy_ | i nedd to re-install os 9 anywho... |
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| 21:34.00 | Bor_Ed | cd-rw goes bad in ~2-3 years ... cd-r in 8-10 |
| 21:34.24 | zorton | anyone know how I set the admin password on a cups install? |
| 21:34.43 | Bor_Ed | admin pass on linux side is the root pass |
| 21:35.07 | zorton | k |
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| 21:37.11 | zorton | now i've jjust got to figure out how to get cupsd to work with this serial port :) |
| 21:37.28 | zorton | anyone know which serial port the printer port is on on 7100s? |
| 21:37.45 | Bor_Ed | ttyS0 is my guess |
| 21:38.30 | zorton | was mine too |
| 21:38.38 | zorton | client-error-not-found |
| 21:38.48 | zorton | that's from CUPS web interface |
| 21:38.52 | zorton | let me look at the log |
| 21:39.33 | Bor_Ed | hmm, mac serial is called other ... |
| 21:39.35 | zorton | well the log isn't very helpful |
| 21:39.35 | Bor_Ed | lemme check |
| 21:41.16 | zorton | thanks |
| 21:41.24 | Bor_Ed | buggr, dmesg here didn't tell the device |
| 21:41.42 | zorton | PowerMac Z8530 serial driver version 2.0.1 |
| 21:41.43 | zorton | tty00 at 0x80004002 (irq = 2) is a Z8530 ESCC |
| 21:41.46 | zorton | well i've got that |
| 21:41.57 | zorton | tty00 |
| 21:41.58 | Bor_Ed | tty00 then :) |
| 21:42.01 | zorton | not ttyS00 :) |
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| 21:42.53 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 21:43.06 | zorton | now i've just got to get the device changed |
| 21:43.10 | Bor_Ed | dmesg usually is pretty good source (as well as syslog) |
| 21:46.10 | zorton | argggg, now i've got to find the major and minor numbers for tty00 |
| 21:46.50 | chris`laptop | Use MAKEDEV, not mknod |
| 21:47.00 | zorton | MAKEDEV dosen't know about tty00 |
| 21:47.12 | zorton | i'll just try tty0 :) |
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| 21:57.45 | Debious | Hello |
| 21:58.29 | Debious | For some reason I can't seem to mount my Debian installer CD |
| 21:58.48 | Debious | In MacOS every CD mounts but disk 1, it just gets ejected |
| 21:58.53 | chris`laptop | Why are you trying to mount it (out of curiosity) ? |
| 21:59.08 | Debious | To install Debian |
| 21:59.19 | Debious | From a cd-rom |
| 21:59.41 | chris`laptop | Boot off the cdrom then |
| 21:59.42 | chris`laptop | You don't need to mount it |
| 21:59.58 | chris`laptop | oooooh |
| 22:00.02 | Debious | BootX :-\ |
| 22:00.24 | Bor_Ed | 2 install floppies |
| 22:00.38 | Bor_Ed | you can say mockos goodbye too |
| 22:00.44 | Debious | I go through the install proccess and when it says choose the install median I pick cd-rom and I put disk 1 in and it says it wasn't mounted |
| 22:01.26 | Debious | Anyone know of a reason why disks 2-6 mount but not disk 1? |
| 22:03.33 | simonrvn | netinst |
| 22:06.06 | zorton | well tty0 was my first login terminal :) |
| 22:06.12 | zorton | that was fun |
| 22:08.04 | zorton | anyone know the major and minor number of /dev/tty00 |
| 22:08.06 | zorton | ?> |
| 22:09.22 | Debious | Anyone wanna just in and tell me what to do? |
| 22:09.35 | Debious | Feel free, I wont mind |
| 22:11.12 | sk1p | zorton: have a look in Documentation/devices.txt in a linux kernel tree of your choice ;) |
| 22:11.33 | Bor_Ed | mac disk drive is _picky_ about floppies |
| 22:11.34 | Bor_Ed | aww |
| 22:17.41 | simonrvn | doh |
| 22:18.33 | simonrvn | ignores what everyone said, and assumes no one said anything.. wtf |
| 22:20.20 | zorton | no go |
| 22:20.39 | zorton | I wouldn't be suprirsed if it's a typo, probaly mean ttyS0 |
| 22:20.48 | zorton | any tips on how to test a serial port |
| 22:21.13 | simonrvn | it is ttyS0 |
| 22:21.37 | zorton | simonrvn: is that for the printer port or the modem port? |
| 22:21.53 | simonrvn | oldworlds and such older macs have ttyS0 as the modem port, and S1 is the printer port |
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| 22:24.47 | zorton | 8n1 for printers talking serial? |
| 22:26.36 | simonrvn | i think so, yeh |
| 22:26.53 | zorton | hi bruce |
| 22:28.16 | zorton | sorry wrong channel |
| 22:32.48 | Bor_Ed | umm, 2.4.22-powerpc doesn't seem to have the serial ports at all :o |
| 22:33.09 | zorton | well i'm using 2.4.24-nubus tree |
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| 22:34.14 | Bor_Ed | I knew you use that tree... tho check through running kernel here showed this supports only usb and adb :/ |
| 22:36.26 | zorton | well dmesg shows them |
| 22:37.27 | Bor_Ed | had to crawl through syslog to see that I don't have buggrs enabled |
| 22:38.02 | Bor_Ed | I have an eye on apple 14/600 or so laser printer ... seems that I need new kernel :) |
| 22:38.52 | Bor_Ed | 167600 PS ... |
| 22:39.07 | Bor_Ed | s/7/'/' |
| 22:39.56 | simonrvn | i have one of those, but i need to change the lamp |
| 22:40.40 | Bor_Ed | the one in univ auction is short on color ... I'd bet it's around 10-20 eur to get new |
| 22:41.09 | simonrvn | it does colour? |
| 22:43.59 | Bor_Ed | nope |
| 22:44.22 | Bor_Ed | the black 'cassette' is running short |
| 22:46.07 | simonrvn | oh |
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| 22:46.41 | Hans-Martin | hi folks |
| 22:48.31 | Bor_Ed | hmm, now that I have en_IE.utf8, I don't get scandis ... grmbl |
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| 22:55.58 | zorton | well this is fun |
| 22:56.03 | zorton | no talkie from printie |
| 22:56.19 | Dizzutch | hey guys, my friend has a PowerBook G3 series (the black ones) and he |
| 22:56.31 | Dizzutch | is wondering if he can install linux on it |
| 22:56.41 | Dizzutch | now i have a debian ppc netinstall disk |
| 22:56.43 | Dizzutch | would that work? |
| 22:56.50 | Dizzutch | it's an oldworld machine i believe |
| 22:57.20 | Bor_Ed | oldworld requires 2 floppies |
| 22:57.44 | Bor_Ed | boot-nfs.img and root.bin (both are on netinst cd) |
| 22:57.52 | Dizzutch | ok |
| 22:58.00 | Dizzutch | so i need to create floppies? |
| 22:58.04 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 22:58.07 | Dizzutch | with dd i assume |
| 22:58.29 | Bor_Ed | and mac is picky about floppies so you might need some floppies to get it to boot |
| 22:58.42 | Dizzutch | hmm |
| 22:58.50 | Dizzutch | where do i get those? |
| 22:59.55 | Dizzutch | i gotta run, i'll figure it out, thanks |
| 23:00.00 | Bor_Ed | search on the cd |
| 23:00.07 | Bor_Ed | they're there |
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