| 00:00.04 | rustyBOFH | iīve only one partition |
| 00:00.13 | sourdough | meeither mainline will be fine (probably) or you need CHRP specific pat hes |
| 00:00.23 | rustyBOFH | and couldnt access to ext3 partitions from OSX (the other partition on my HD) |
| 00:00.39 | sourdough | rustyBOFH why i never suggest anyone with modern disk use the windows style `big bloated /' |
| 00:00.39 | mejde | sourdough: Why is there a kernel-image-chrp? |
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| 00:00.53 | sourdough | rustyBOFH why would you expect macos to read anythinb but macos fs? |
| 00:01.11 | sourdough | mejde same reason there is CHRP code in boot-floppies, debian guesses wildly |
| 00:01.55 | mejde | sourdough: And "Debian's official powerpc kernel now support's pegasos" at http://linux.pegasosppc.com |
| 00:02.00 | sourdough | mejde last i heard they have no CHRP hardware/people to test things |
| 00:02.10 | sourdough | pegasos isn't really CHRP |
| 00:02.17 | sourdough | its a whole beast of its own |
| 00:02.34 | LarstiQ | hey, another pegasos person? |
| 00:02.50 | mejde | sourdough: Ah....ok. |
| 00:02.56 | mejde | sourdough: That explains it ;) |
| 00:03.06 | LarstiQ | mejde: pegasos1 or 2? |
| 00:03.07 | sourdough | pegasos tries to be an x86 with a ppc stuffed in |
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| 00:03.28 | mejde | brrr |
| 00:03.35 | sourdough | they seem to have the goal of being an x86 without quite having an z86 processor |
| 00:03.52 | arcady | what, does pegasos make the ppc start up in "Real Mode" |
| 00:03.53 | sourdough | LarstiQ its not even real OF |
| 00:04.02 | sourdough | arcady who knows |
| 00:04.06 | mejde | LarstiQ: Could you repeat that again... |
| 00:04.08 | LarstiQ | sourdough: someone told me it's not a framebuffer either |
| 00:04.08 | sourdough | arcady IBM does that too |
| 00:04.17 | LarstiQ | hey, arcady is back :) |
| 00:04.24 | sourdough | LarstiQ yes they only officially support x86 textmode |
| 00:04.28 | arcady | hey, he is |
| 00:04.29 | LarstiQ | sourdough: bweh |
| 00:04.46 | sourdough | ill never buy a pegasos |
| 00:04.59 | rustyBOFH | sourdough i expect that any S.o could "talk" with others |
| 00:05.07 | rustyBOFH | why osX donīt? |
| 00:05.09 | rustyBOFH | xD |
| 00:05.17 | rustyBOFH | linux could read osx partitions |
| 00:05.17 | sourdough | rustyBOFH S.o ? |
| 00:05.22 | rustyBOFH | O.S |
| 00:05.25 | rustyBOFH | sorry |
| 00:05.27 | sourdough | rustyBOFH osx is a proprietary OS |
| 00:05.33 | rustyBOFH | yes |
| 00:05.36 | sourdough | proprietary OSes only read thier own proprietary fs |
| 00:05.41 | arcady | what other OS is there for powerpc? |
| 00:05.42 | sourdough | windows reads FAT and NTFS |
| 00:05.46 | sourdough | macos reads HFS and HFS+ |
| 00:05.53 | arcady | there is only one True Apple OS |
| 00:05.57 | sourdough | osx also supports its own special varient of UFS, but htats it |
| 00:06.05 | rustyBOFH | not really, because there are some programs that could read ext3 partitions from windows Oses |
| 00:06.06 | mejde | LarstiQ: I dunno what I did...but the history went to /dev/null.... |
| 00:06.09 | sourdough | and they support FAT for DOS compat |
| 00:06.13 | sourdough | linux? never |
| 00:06.14 | rustyBOFH | and its a commercial o.s too |
| 00:06.23 | sourdough | rustyBOFH so? |
| 00:06.26 | ijpablo | mac os x also reads vfat. |
| 00:06.35 | ijpablo | in usb storage devices. |
| 00:06.39 | sourdough | vfat is the same thing as fat |
| 00:06.43 | rustyBOFH | ijpablo but not ext3 |
| 00:06.47 | rustyBOFH | or reiserfs |
| 00:06.49 | rustyBOFH | or jfs |
| 00:06.50 | sourdough | just some extra cruft in phony directory entires |
| 00:06.51 | rustyBOFH | or xfs |
| 00:06.53 | arcady | not sure how much they realize that linux can even run on powerpc |
| 00:06.54 | LarstiQ | arcady: MorphOS |
| 00:07.09 | sourdough | arcady oh they realize it |
| 00:07.10 | LarstiQ | arcady: oh, they know |
| 00:07.19 | arcady | they don't want everyone else to |
| 00:07.34 | sourdough | they mostly tolerate us |
| 00:07.53 | sourdough | since we don't threaten hardware sales, and don't really threaten OSX sales either |
| 00:08.19 | sourdough | macos users won't run GNU/Linux, and GNU/Linux users will just buy x86 if powerpc wont' work |
| 00:09.03 | arcady | how well does ppc64 linux work on the G5, by the way? |
| 00:09.17 | sourdough | the kernel boots and runs in 32 bit mode now |
| 00:09.18 | rustyBOFH | gentoo runs properly |
| 00:09.20 | rustyBOFH | not? |
| 00:09.26 | sourdough | 64 bit mode will take fixing lots of drivers |
| 00:09.31 | sourdough | rustyBOFH gentoo is crap |
| 00:09.33 | ijpablo | hey people, any kind of pc100 sdram sodimm should work on my ibook ? or it needs to be especial. |
| 00:09.36 | ijpablo | ? |
| 00:09.46 | arcady | try it and see |
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| 00:09.50 | sourdough | ijpablo check with apple |
| 00:10.01 | arcady | apple wants you to buy the expensive stuff |
| 00:10.05 | sourdough | OF is quite picky, if the ram isn't right its disabled |
| 00:10.12 | ijpablo | i have been searching it on the apple site |
| 00:10.20 | arcady | try crucial |
| 00:10.27 | ijpablo | i haven't found anything. |
| 00:10.33 | arcady | www.crucial.com |
| 00:11.35 | sourdough | arcady so where are you at/stuck on prom-libc stuffs? |
| 00:11.37 | rustyBOFH | anybody knows where could i get information about vert and horizontal refresh of my monitor? |
| 00:11.49 | sourdough | rustyBOFH from the manual that came with it |
| 00:11.53 | rustyBOFH | i saw the docs but i couldnt find anything |
| 00:11.58 | rustyBOFH | sourdough its a Powerbook G4 17" |
| 00:12.10 | sourdough | its usually in `technical specifications' |