| 00:05.03 | hlprmnky | Query: I am attempting to upgrade a blue/white g3 to 2.6.3. I have {R|S}TF{M|W}, and I am having difficulty convincing make-kpkg to build me a .deb with just a vmlinux, as opposed to a vmlinux and vmlinux.coff. |
| 00:05.17 | hlprmnky | I can post what I think are relevant parts of the config |
| 00:05.26 | hlprmnky | or make the whole .config available if anyone wants to look |
| 00:06.07 | hlprmnky | I also welcome suggestions of the "you've made $BEGINNERS_ERROR; fix it and go away" variety. :P |
| 00:07.42 | Curalton | i don't make kernels with make-kpkg :P |
| 00:08.10 | hlprmnky | hehe |
| 00:08.31 | hlprmnky | I suppose in an emergency I could try doing it the old-fashioned way. |
| 00:09.20 | hlprmnky | I don't think that make-kpkg is "helping" me, though. I think I don't know my way around the processor-specific options for PPC in .config |
| 00:09.41 | hlprmnky | and am somehow specifying a state that makes the kernel Makefiles think I'm building for an oldworld mac |
| 00:10.15 | hlprmnky | but it seems that the stock kernel tree is...terse about those very options |
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| 00:18.56 | fluor- | I'm in the process of compiling a kernel for my iBook G4, and wondering about correct options to enable support for the keyboard and the mouse ;) |
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| 00:19.41 | fluor- | can I safely uncheck AT keyboard support and PS/2 mouse in Input Device Support? |
| 00:20.12 | fluor- | (aren't they USB controled on the iBook?) |
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| 00:26.45 | sourdough | yes |
| 00:26.53 | sourdough | there is no such hardware in any mac |
| 00:27.20 | sourdough | you do need adb support though |
| 00:28.10 | jpablo | is the BenH rsync kernel not recommended anymore ? |
| 00:28.17 | jpablo | 2.6 |
| 00:28.25 | jpablo | (and if yes, why?) |
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| 00:29.24 | sourdough | jpablo its obsolete |
| 00:29.29 | sourdough | 2.6.3 is fully merged |
| 00:30.04 | sourdough | the plan was always that users would use MAINLINE 2.6 not a benh fork, there won't be a benh fork any longer |
| 00:30.15 | jpablo | nice. |
| 00:30.18 | jpablo | well |
| 00:30.22 | jpablo | i then will upgrade to 2.6 |
| 00:30.27 | jpablo | i then will upgrade to 2.6.3-linus |
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| 00:44.09 | fluor- | sourdough: then, I had found out in the end by crossreading |
| 00:44.59 | fluor- | sourdough: but it seems I still need "keyboard support" and "mouse support" checked, even though none of the following options apply to my hardware |
| 00:45.12 | fluor- | sourdough: can I also safely uncheck "bus mouse"? |
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| 00:48.13 | sourdough | fluor- well if its 2.6 i don't know, i use use 2.6 |
| 00:49.40 | sourdough | s/i use/i don't/ |
| 00:56.38 | jpablo | any idea where can i find the laptop mode patch for 2.6.3 ? |
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| 01:03.49 | sourdough | don't think there is one |
| 01:06.08 | fluor- | jpablo: laptop mode patch? |
| 01:06.13 | fluor- | jpablo: what's that? |
| 01:06.48 | sourdough | its a patch for 2.4 that adds various options to tune filesystems into dangerous modes |
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| 01:08.30 | fluor- | alright - never heard of it |
| 01:09.15 | sourdough | the idea is preventing fs from syncing data/jounrals for ridiculously long periods of time so as to avoid disk spinups, at the cost of severe data loss/corruption in the event of crash/bad reboot |
| 01:10.09 | jpablo | you can always sync manually if you saved importante data. |
| 01:10.16 | jpablo | and the battery gains are great. |
| 01:10.35 | sourdough | if you care more about battery times then your data/fs its a good thing |
| 01:10.36 | sourdough | if you care about data its a bad thing |
| 01:11.42 | fluor- | right |
| 01:12.09 | fluor- | how do you people usually paste with those one-button mice? :) |
| 01:12.20 | sourdough | mouse button emulation |
| 01:12.26 | fluor- | I haven't setup mouse emulation yet, have to do that ASAP |
| 01:12.27 | sourdough | sysctl -a | grep mac_hid |
| 01:12.40 | sourdough | see /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 01:13.13 | sourdough | whatever key you pick becomes a mouse button and loses all previous function |
| 01:13.36 | sourdough | so if you pick `m' as your mouse button you don't have an `m' key anymore |
| 01:13.38 | fluor- | what do people commonly use? apple keys? |
| 01:13.47 | sourdough | F-Keys |
| 01:13.57 | sourdough | the apple key is `meta' |
| 01:14.04 | sourdough | or often configured as alt |
| 01:14.08 | sourdough | you tend to need alt |
| 01:14.13 | fluor- | true |
| 01:14.31 | sloopy | 12030.... |
| 01:14.37 | fluor- | since we're talking about keymaps and layout, what about the lack of "delete"? |
| 01:14.53 | fluor- | I was thinking of mapping it to the 2nd Enter key |
| 01:15.00 | sourdough | on ibook keyboards? |
| 01:15.03 | fluor- | the >| symbol or something |
| 01:15.03 | Sam-I-Am | bah |
| 01:15.04 | fluor- | sourdough: yes |
| 01:15.07 | Sam-I-Am | health care is such shit |
| 01:15.17 | Sam-I-Am | go in for a sniffle and get a $100 bill, even with insurance |
| 01:15.22 | Sam-I-Am | sup sourdough |
| 01:15.25 | sourdough | dunno, don't have an ibook, so never thought about it |
| 01:15.32 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am heh |
| 01:15.54 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am why i avoid doctors, unless its really really necessary |
| 01:15.59 | Sam-I-Am | if the politicians would only dump their campaign money into the health system we'd all be happy |
| 01:16.23 | fluor- | sourdough: k - thanks anyway - oh, and isn't there an easier way to switch to other consoles that apple+fn+Fx? |
| 01:16.25 | sourdough | but the politcians wouldn't be |
| 01:16.31 | Sam-I-Am | sourdough: well, its funny when your new insurance company requires you to get a physical and then pay for it too |
| 01:16.47 | sourdough | fluor- alt fn F2 etc in console |
| 01:16.54 | sourdough | fluor- control alt fn F1 in X |
| 01:16.57 | sourdough | order matters |
| 01:17.19 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am ah yes that is common |
| 01:17.25 | jesusfish | anyone wanna buy a Albook 15"? |
| 01:17.26 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am mine doesn't |
| 01:17.38 | sourdough | probably because my company is self insured |
| 01:17.44 | Sam-I-Am | mmm |
| 01:17.47 | fluor- | sourdough: thx, but that doesnt work for me, I have to replace alt with right apple |
| 01:17.51 | Sam-I-Am | now i know why people go uninsured |
| 01:18.07 | sourdough | but it doesn't cover silly things like vision, prescriptions etc eitehr |
| 01:18.07 | Sam-I-Am | because then you at least can save the $60/month they dont take out of your paycheck |
| 01:18.26 | sourdough | fluor- then the apple key must be configured to be alt on your machine |
| 01:18.30 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 01:18.40 | sourdough | fluor- in console the `Apple USB' keymap does exactly that |
| 01:18.58 | sourdough | fluor- in X `option' is alt, unless you use the swapmeta option in your config |
| 01:19.24 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am true, but then if you break your arm or something your quite screwed |
| 01:19.42 | Sam-I-Am | yes |
| 01:19.42 | sourdough | unless you have a bunch of thousand dollor bills laying around |
| 01:20.09 | sourdough | i will grant that the dental is quite good at my company |
| 01:20.27 | Sam-I-Am | i guess with the current system you're damned if you do and damned if you dont |
| 01:20.34 | sourdough | yup |
| 01:20.39 | Sam-I-Am | i supposed the only way to make it useful is to get sick damn often |
| 01:20.47 | sourdough | heh |
| 01:21.40 | Sam-I-Am | seems if you're sick you pay less percentagewise |
| 01:21.45 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am was that $100 part deductable and part % you have to pay? |
| 01:22.26 | Sam-I-Am | apparently i only have to pay ded if the cost is >$300, and then its $300 |
| 01:22.37 | Sam-I-Am | this is something they call 'coinsurance' whatever the fuck that means |
| 01:23.06 | Sam-I-Am | but looky here.. i dont have a copay of $10... but i pay $100 later. |
| 01:23.52 | sourdough | heh |
| 01:24.03 | Sam-I-Am | yeah me too |
| 01:24.10 | sourdough | which is hte idea of course |
| 01:24.30 | sourdough | my place just got a cafeteria thing going (why its named that i have no clue) |
| 01:24.38 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 01:24.46 | Sam-I-Am | pick n choose |
| 01:24.55 | sourdough | deal there is they can take the insurance deduction out before taxes are applied |
| 01:25.09 | sourdough | so you save money on taxes |
| 01:25.43 | Sam-I-Am | ah |
| 01:26.07 | sourdough | less money going to politicians == good |
| 01:26.31 | Sam-I-Am | of course |
| 01:26.37 | Sam-I-Am | but they dont pay taxes anyway heh |
| 01:27.04 | sourdough | politicians make loopholes for themselves |
| 01:29.13 | Sam-I-Am | i swear the stress of the health system will give me an aneurism |
| 01:29.23 | Sam-I-Am | then i pay 20% after a $300 ded |
| 01:32.49 | sourdough | haha |
| 01:34.46 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 01:34.58 | Sam-I-Am | sourdough you wouldnt believe the error message i got from something the other day |
| 01:35.11 | Sam-I-Am | magicCategorize: Out of Magic doohickies |
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| 01:35.26 | sourdough | whuehehe |
| 01:35.29 | Sam-I-Am | yeah |
| 01:35.31 | sourdough | from what? |
| 01:35.40 | Sam-I-Am | a packeteer packet shaper appliance |
| 01:35.57 | sourdough | heh |
| 01:36.01 | Sam-I-Am | apparently they broke their latest firmware release causing it to run out of memory.. |
| 01:36.03 | Sam-I-Am | and thats what it sais |
| 01:36.07 | Sam-I-Am | says |
| 01:36.13 | sourdough | interesting |
| 01:36.23 | Sam-I-Am | yeah |
| 01:36.25 | Sam-I-Am | quality coding |
| 01:36.29 | Sam-I-Am | but there's humor in it |
| 01:36.34 | sourdough | that doesn't inspire me confidence in the code quality eihter |
| 01:36.35 | skel | init is the first thing started after kernel right? |
| 01:36.46 | sourdough | skel correct |
| 01:36.49 | Sam-I-Am | well, apparently magic doohickies are important |
| 01:36.53 | skel | sourdough: ok ty =] |
| 01:36.58 | jpablo | drivers/built-in.o(.text+0x319b4): In function `start_request': |
| 01:36.58 | jpablo | : undefined reference to `__udivdi3' |
| 01:36.58 | jpablo | drivers/built-in.o(.text+0x319cc): In function `start_request': |
| 01:36.58 | jpablo | : undefined reference to `__umoddi3' |
| 01:36.58 | jpablo | make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1 |
| 01:36.59 | Sam-I-Am | very technical and descriptive error |
| 01:37.02 | jpablo | compiling 2.6.3, any idea ? |
| 01:37.32 | sourdough | jpablo fiddle with config till it works |
| 01:38.10 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am ive seen sftp return error message of "Error" |
| 01:38.18 | Sam-I-Am | hah |
| 01:38.19 | jpablo | so, you have no idea ? |
| 01:38.27 | Sam-I-Am | jpablo: 2.6 blows |
| 01:38.33 | sourdough | most of sftp subsystems error messages are just as helpful |
| 01:38.35 | Sam-I-Am | give it a few months |
| 01:38.59 | jpablo | i have compiled 2.6 before, never saw that :( |
| 01:39.05 | sourdough | jpablo thats usually how 2.6 goes for now, lots of ways to break it with your config, so fiddle wiht the config till you find the broken driver |
| 01:39.25 | Sam-I-Am | i wonder what built-in.c relates to |
| 01:39.36 | sourdough | dunno |
| 01:39.49 | Sam-I-Am | jpablo: view the file and see if it tells you what it does |
| 01:40.02 | sourdough | 2.6 hates debian woody binutils so i can't try 2.6 if i wanted |
| 01:40.09 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 01:40.26 | sourdough | those __udiv fiunctions are libgcc |
| 01:40.31 | jpablo | there's no such built-in.c |
| 01:40.32 | Sam-I-Am | time to make some quality hot dogs that may one day cause me to spend more on health care |
| 01:40.32 | Sam-I-Am | :P |
| 01:40.40 | sourdough | usually triggered by things like /= |
| 01:40.48 | jpablo | damn, stupid gcc, doesn't tell where the error is. |
| 01:41.05 | sourdough | jpablo its not gcc, its the linker |
| 01:41.23 | sourdough | linker doens't know jack shit about .c files |
| 01:41.36 | skel | only .o =P |
| 01:41.37 | skel | ? |
| 01:41.40 | sourdough | it takes all the binary .o files and puts them together like legos |
| 01:41.47 | sourdough | only it found a piece is missing |
| 01:41.50 | skel | yay! legos! |
| 01:41.54 | Sam-I-Am | mmm legos |
| 01:42.51 | sourdough | gets hard to figure out when its functions magically inserted by gcc |
| 01:43.03 | sourdough | like __u* |
| 01:50.06 | fluor- | sourdough: where does sysctl gets info from? |
| 01:50.21 | sourdough | kernel |
| 01:50.35 | sourdough | sysctl -a shows you all sysctls and thier current values |
| 01:50.39 | fluor- | I executed the command you gave me, and I already had some mouse_button_keycodes |
| 01:50.45 | sourdough | sysctl -w foo/key=value sets them |
| 01:50.59 | fluor- | yeah, I just read the man :) |
| 01:51.09 | sourdough | dev/mac_hid/mouse_button_emulation = 0 |
| 01:51.13 | fluor- | was just wondering why I already had some mouse emulation values |
| 01:51.14 | sourdough | emulation is turned off |
| 01:51.19 | sourdough | dev/mac_hid/mouse_button3_keycode = 100 |
| 01:51.19 | sourdough | dev/mac_hid/mouse_button2_keycode = 97 |
| 01:51.22 | sourdough | default keycodes |
| 01:51.22 | fluor- | sourdough: yes, I put it to 1 |
| 01:51.39 | sourdough | im not sure what key keycode 100 is |
| 01:51.40 | fluor- | oh, what keys are these? |
| 01:51.53 | sourdough | dunno you need to use showkey to figure that out |
| 01:51.56 | sourdough | in console not X |
| 01:52.17 | sourdough | or look in /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
| 02:02.15 | fluor- | sourdough: i don't have X yet anyway hehe |
| 02:02.38 | fluor- | sourdough: I'm taking time to do it step by step |
| 02:02.44 | sourdough | good |
| 02:02.47 | fluor- | I've had my iBook for one day |
| 02:02.51 | fluor- | so... :) |
| 02:03.58 | fluor- | and I never used a mac before - been stuck with i386 for 10 years` |
| 02:04.07 | sourdough | ah |
| 02:08.28 | fluor- | ok, kernel compiled |
| 02:08.35 | fluor- | time for a reboot |
| 02:14.14 | fluor- | sourdough: 100 is fn+alt |
| 02:15.21 | sourdough | ah |
| 02:15.39 | fluor- | sourdough: and 97 is fn+ctrl |
| 02:15.43 | fluor- | not too handy IMO |
| 02:16.19 | sourdough | so change them |
| 02:16.32 | sourdough | pick something and use showkey to find out the keycodes |
| 02:17.11 | sourdough | then add the 3 lines to /etc/sysctl.conf so its permanent |
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| 02:19.44 | fluor- | sourdough: that's what I'm doing - thinking of using >| for it |
| 02:20.02 | fluor- | sourdough: what is >| normaly used for? |
| 02:20.11 | fluor- | sourdough: I mean, why have a second enter key? |
| 02:25.06 | sourdough | wtf is >| |
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| 02:28.16 | fluor- | sourdough: stands next to my right apple key... |
| 02:28.24 | fluor- | sourdough: and acts as "enter" |
| 02:28.40 | fluor- | sourdough: can also be optained via fn+enter |
| 02:28.42 | sourdough | i can't think of a reason for a second enter key except for the keypad |
| 02:28.48 | sourdough | which the ibook lacks anway |
| 02:29.23 | fluor- | sourdough: right, I remember now it looks like the enter symbol for keypads |
| 02:29.35 | fluor- | ok, rebooting at last |
| 02:38.12 | beth|gone | iirc macos treats the enter and return keys differently, so if you have no keypad you may still want to have the keypad's enter key, if some program wants it specifically |
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| 02:56.23 | fluor- | mwell, kernel 2.6 works |
| 02:56.35 | fluor- | but for some reason, it failed to compile the USB drivers... :/ |
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| 03:04.12 | jpablo | any idea why the keys for backlight control and volume stoped working when i upgraded to 2.6.3 ? |
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| 03:16.09 | fluor- | jpablo: well, I just compiled a 2.6.3 kernel and backlight control works |
| 03:16.16 | fluor- | jpablo: but I have no experience of upgrading |
| 03:16.31 | fluor- | jpablo: and I still don't know if sound works :) (haven't installed) |
| 03:16.36 | demon | hey, is there any known fix for the thing with the zilog serial driver that causes a kernel hang when cupsd starts? |
| 03:16.40 | fluor- | jpablo: my eject button doesn't work, though |
| 03:16.41 | jpablo | humm, fluor-, what machine ? |
| 03:16.50 | jpablo | fluor-: apt-get install pbbuttons. |
| 03:16.51 | demon | other than building the serial driver out of the kernel as a module? |
| 03:16.54 | fluor- | jpablo: oh, yeah, sorry, Apple iBook G4 |
| 03:17.07 | fluor- | jpablo: it seems like I consider everyone has such an iBook :) |
| 03:17.15 | fluor- | jpablo: well, I have done that already |
| 03:17.26 | fluor- | jpablo: (installing pbbuttonsd) |
| 03:17.29 | jpablo | ah, then dunno why the eject button doesn't work. |
| 03:17.34 | jpablo | did you install eject ? |
| 03:17.37 | fluor- | jpablo: yes |
| 03:17.46 | jpablo | dunno then. |
| 03:18.03 | jpablo | running eject manually ejects the cdrom ? |
| 03:18.11 | myXtie | demon I removed cups but still 2.6.3 seems rough compared to 2.6.2rc-2 |
| 03:18.12 | fluor- | jpablo: eject actually works, yes |
| 03:18.40 | jpablo | then you have to configure pbbuttons :P |
| 03:18.41 | fluor- | jpablo: I guess I have to tweak pbbuttons so that it uses the right keycode... |
| 03:18.48 | fluor- | jpablo: hehe, yes |
| 03:18.51 | demon | myXtie: damn... I was hoping there might be a fix for the oops I'm eno=countering in the sbp2 module |
| 03:18.56 | demon | er, encountering |
| 03:19.01 | myXtie | *2.6.3rc-2 (sorry typo) |
| 03:21.22 | myXtie | demon also I need zlog for my ppp (dialup modem) so cupsd had to go :) |
| 03:22.06 | demon | heheh |
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| 03:25.47 | fluor- | hmm, how come I have to install xfonts-base whereas xfonts-base-transcoded is installed already? |
| 03:26.45 | fluor- | jpablo: problem with configuring pbbuttonsd is that my eject key shows 3 different keycodes with showkey |
| 03:27.14 | jpablo | 0, 1 and other ? |
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