| 00:00.19 | mintaj | I have a stupid question... |
| 00:00.54 | mintaj | What is the difference between Window Manager and Desktop Suite / Desktop Environment? |
| 00:05.29 | Curalton | "Desktop Suite" provide "more" e.g. mini apps like calculator etc |
| 00:05.40 | Curalton | gnome/kde == desktop suite, rest only windowmanager |
| 00:05.49 | Curalton | though plus rox filer they can do the same |
| 00:07.01 | arcady | window manager = decorations on windows and their behavior |
| 00:07.27 | arcady | desktop environment = an integrated framework for application development |
| 00:07.41 | arcady | plus a suite of standard application and a taskbar with applets |
| 00:08.06 | arcady | so GNOME is not just a window manager, it also has all sorts of fun stuff like a configuration registry |
| 00:08.25 | mintaj | so, if I want enlightenment, I should also have KDE or GNOME? |
| 00:09.07 | arcady | point is, you don't need a desktop environment |
| 00:09.31 | arcady | unless you want a file browser and icons on your desktop and everything with consistent look and feel |
| 00:09.55 | mintaj | Yeah, but I of course want it :) |
| 00:10.24 | arcady | I don't know, I get by fine without it |
| 00:10.58 | arcady | many of the programs I use are gtk-based, and thus part of gnome, but most also don't use any gnome-spcific features |
| 00:11.58 | mintaj | I mean I need some applications - simple: email client, usent client, mp3-player, also openoffice.org |
| 00:12.22 | arcady | email client: mutt, mpg3-player: mpg321 or xmms |
| 00:12.31 | arcady | openoffice.org is its own desktop environment |
| 00:13.00 | mintaj | mozilla firefox? |
| 00:13.28 | arcady | yes |
| 00:13.35 | arcady | that's not part of gnome either |
| 00:14.03 | mintaj | well, the only way to know, is to install these apps and see, what packages they require. |
| 00:14.11 | arcady | so do that |
| 00:14.29 | mintaj | Can you tell me more about mutt? Is it a graphic client? |
| 00:14.29 | arcady | remember, this is debian, dependencies are installed automatically |
| 00:14.36 | arcady | mutt is not graphic |
| 00:14.42 | arcady | it's text |
| 00:14.47 | mintaj | yes, I remember ;) |
| 00:14.49 | arcady | shiny colorful text, though |
| 00:14.56 | kimo_sabe | text, like email |
| 00:15.23 | arcady | it works well enough for my purposes |
| 00:15.59 | mintaj | I need some features: multiple email accounts, gnupg and filtering |
| 00:16.24 | arcady | it does gnupg |
| 00:17.02 | mintaj | And what about new email notification? |
| 00:18.19 | arcady | depends on what you mean by that |
| 00:18.33 | arcady | it probably has copious documentation on the web somewhere |
| 00:19.13 | mintaj | ok. |
| 00:19.29 | mintaj | now I need one more advice |
| 00:20.17 | mintaj | in a moment I will install xfree86 + enlightenment |
| 00:20.46 | mintaj | what else I need |
| 00:20.54 | mintaj | ? |
| 00:21.02 | mintaj | x-window-system? |
| 00:21.41 | arcady | that would work, yes |
| 00:21.45 | arcady | and enlightenment |
| 00:22.51 | mintaj | so then I can pick some another apps and see if they need *parts* of KDE or GNOME and just install it and use it with enligtenment decorations, right? :) |
| 00:23.57 | arcady | right |
| 00:24.16 | arcady | well if they need parts of KDE or GNOME those will get installed automatically |
| 00:24.21 | arcady | you won't have to know or care |
| 00:24.40 | mintaj | Sure. I know. |
| 00:25.06 | mintaj | I just wanted to make some facts clear. |
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| 00:25.49 | mintaj | clear for myself |
| 00:26.00 | arcady | I personally don't like apps that depend on 50 different libraries, just because they can |
| 00:26.23 | arcady | I also don't like "desktop environments" running daemons with no purpose that I can understand |
| 00:29.28 | mintaj | You know, I just want to have a workstation as minimal as it is needed and with some comfortable features |
| 00:30.46 | arcady | so you don't want GNOME/KDE then |
| 00:30.57 | arcady | or for that matter openoffice.org |
| 00:31.07 | arcady | those are rather the opposite of "minimal" |
| 00:31.21 | mintaj | I like enlightenment and I want to try make my own theme for it |
| 00:32.00 | mintaj | yeah, but I need openoffice.org, cause my co-workes use M$ Word and so on... |
| 00:32.23 | mintaj | And ooo seems to give well posibility to exchange documents. |
| 00:32.39 | arcady | right |
| 00:33.23 | mintaj | and ooo is not KOffice or another GNOME based application. |
| 00:33.34 | arcady | right |
| 00:33.54 | arcady | but you know how the KDE suite has a bunch of libraries and many applications? |
| 00:34.05 | arcady | and gnome has a bunch of libraries and many applications |
| 00:34.09 | mintaj | It has also export to PDF, which I find very big advantage |
| 00:34.22 | arcady | well ooo has it's own set of libraries, just for one application |
| 00:34.33 | arcady | and it's look and feel is completely not consistent with anything else |
| 00:34.37 | arcady | except windows |