| 00:00.06 | denken | it doesnt even stop at OF now, just boots mac os |
| 00:01.40 | demon | well, quik doesn't set nvram variables, afaik |
| 00:02.12 | demon | are you on the machine in question now, booted into linux? |
| 00:02.24 | godsmacker | When I boot my G4 ibook I am asked if i want to boot osx or linux. I just removed os x now. How can is disable that question at startup now? |
| 00:02.26 | denken | i thought it pointed OF to the correct boot-device |
| 00:02.39 | chris` | godsmacker: edit yaboot.conf |
| 00:02.39 | denken | demon: i will be in a second. you want me to try something? |
| 00:02.53 | chris` | (man yaboot.conf) |
| 00:03.07 | denken | godsmacker: there is just one line in yaboot.conf that needs to be deleted |
| 00:03.12 | demon | denken: yeah, I want you to either (a) be logged into linux as root, or (b) be at the OF prompt |
| 00:03.38 | godsmacker | denken, chris`: which line? There's no one talking about osx.. |
| 00:03.46 | chris` | godsmacker: man yaboot.conf |
| 00:04.48 | denken | demon: im at root#: |
| 00:05.10 | demon | ok, do 'cat /proc/device-tree/aliases/ide0' |
| 00:05.37 | denken | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.58 | demon | ok, if you do 'ls /proc/device-tree/pci/mac-io/ide\@20000/', is there a directory in there named 'disk'? |
| 00:08.06 | denken | in /proc/device-tree/pci/mac-io there is only a dir named ide |
| 00:08.12 | denken | no ide@20000 |
| 00:08.40 | demon | huh... ok |
| 00:08.58 | demon | well, under the ide/ subdir, there's a directory named 'disk'? |
| 00:09.12 | denken | there is one called ata-disk |
| 00:09.27 | demon | but not one called 'disk'? |
| 00:09.35 | denken | no |
| 00:10.06 | demon | you probably need to try doing 'boot ide0/ata-disk@0:7' |
| 00:10.27 | denken | ok ill try that now |
| 00:12.33 | denken | OF replies "can't OPEN:" |
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| 00:13.40 | demon | hmmm... if you do 'printenv' at the OF prompt, what's your load-base set to? |
| 00:14.43 | demon | and have you run system disk and applied the OF patches, as noted on the quik quirks page? |
| 00:14.44 | denken | hrm is there a pager (like more) in OF? the patches that system disk installs are a screen and a half long... the load-base scrolls by too fast |
| 00:15.02 | demon | try doing 'printenv load-base' |
| 00:15.38 | denken | current: 600000 default: 4000 |
| 00:15.51 | demon | 600000? |
| 00:16.08 | denken | yes |
| 00:16.10 | demon | um... try 'setenv load-base 4000' |
| 00:16.50 | denken | same error, cant open |
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| 00:17.22 | demon | hm... can you do 'dev /pci/mac-io/ide@20000 ls'? |
| 00:17.59 | denken | done. which value do you need? |
| 00:18.21 | demon | how many items does it show there? |
| 00:18.36 | denken | children of the node: |
| 00:18.38 | denken | <blah> |
| 00:18.45 | denken | node adr node name compatible |
| 00:18.48 | denken | <blah> |
| 00:18.51 | denken | so i think that is one value |
| 00:19.08 | denken | FF83E638: /disk@0,0 |
| 00:19.20 | demon | ok, so it should be disk |
| 00:19.33 | demon | ok, try doing 'boot ide0/disk:0@7' |
| 00:19.42 | demon | er |
| 00:19.48 | demon | boot ide0/disk@0:7 |
| 00:19.50 | demon | rather |
| 00:20.12 | denken | same error |
| 00:20.14 | denken | hmm |
| 00:20.28 | denken | try another load base? |
| 00:20.35 | demon | try doing 'setenv load-base 60000' |
| 00:20.41 | demon | then try the boot cmdline again |
| 00:21.30 | denken | same. ill try 100000 and 1000000 load bases |
| 00:22.40 | denken | nope |
| 00:23.52 | lex | Whats A knoppix equivalent for ppc? |
| 00:27.01 | demon | denken: hm.... if you restart the system, and hold cmd-opt-P-R till the system bongs 3 times, then boot to OF, and try 'boot ide0/disk@0:7', then what happens? |
| 00:29.04 | denken | doing "set-defaults" in OF will do the same thing as the three chime pram zap yes? |
| 00:29.31 | demon | not necessarily |
| 00:29.36 | denken | ok one sec |
| 00:30.37 | PowerBook3400 | anyone ever get "unable to mount root FS at 2:00" |
| 00:30.54 | denken | now OF reports "can't OPEN: ide0/disk@0:7" |
| 00:31.07 | denken | PowerBook3400: the kernel cant mount your root file system for some reason |
| 00:32.11 | PowerBook3400 | does that mean i have to make the root floppy with diskcopy instead of suntar? |
| 00:32.13 | demon | it's not getting the ramdisk floppy it wants |
| 00:32.31 | demon | what are you doing with the root.bin when you get it? |
| 00:32.56 | denken | yep you cannot mount it with disk copy, it will corrupt the boot blocks |
| 00:33.02 | demon | if you're trying to decompress it somehow, don't |
| 00:33.26 | denken | that too ;) |
| 00:33.26 | PowerBook3400 | disk copy stopped working after i mad boot and rescue and driver 1 |
| 00:33.26 | demon | you just want to write it directly to a floppy disk |
| 00:33.26 | PowerBook3400 | so i used suntar to do a sector copy |
| 00:37.10 | demon | denken: um, what OS is first on your hard disk, MacOS or linux? |
| 00:37.24 | PowerBook3400 | Mac 7.6 |
| 00:37.37 | denken | mac os is partition 6... i thought about that before... |
| 00:37.46 | denken | linux is 7, swap is 8 |
| 00:38.02 | PowerBook3400 | oops |
| 00:38.03 | PowerBook3400 | sorry |
| 00:38.06 | PowerBook3400 | wrong window |
| 00:38.14 | denken | demon: i havent seen any mention that it should matter though |
| 00:38.50 | demon | denken: I'm just trying to come up with a way that you could have it boot linux first, and properly |
| 00:39.23 | denken | ill try pretty much anything at this point |
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| 00:40.38 | demon | denken: do you have system disk 2.3.1 on your macos partition? |
| 00:40.44 | denken | yup |
| 00:41.11 | demon | go into macos, install the OF patch, and then have it reboot and go to the OF prompt |
| 00:41.32 | denken | k |
| 00:42.16 | denken | to make sure im not doing anything wrong - i just boot mac os, launch system disk, select "Power User" and click "Save" |
| 00:42.19 | denken | thats it, correct? |
| 00:43.11 | demon | you downloaded system disk 2.3.1 and installed the patch against it, right? |
| 00:43.23 | denken | doh. |
| 00:43.59 | denken | where is there a mention of that? |
| 00:46.20 | PowerBook3400 | should the root floppy have the write protect tab set? |
| 00:50.33 | denken | alli can find is a Open Firmware 1.0.5 patch for System Disk but that is apparently only for 7300-8600 series |
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| 00:51.22 | PowerBook3400 | is playing with OF REQUIRED to make linux work? |
| 00:51.34 | denken | only on old-world machines |
| 00:51.52 | denken | i got linux up and running on my powerbook g4 on the first try |
| 00:52.11 | PowerBook3400 | what about with OF 2+ |
| 00:52.25 | denken | any old-world machine. |
| 00:52.50 | PowerBook3400 | blah |
| 00:52.56 | PowerBook3400 | i'm totally clueless about OF |
| 00:53.13 | denken | PowerBook3400: http://hamsterrepublic.com/james/linux/powerbook-3400c.php |
| 00:53.19 | denken | maybe that helps you? |
| 00:55.40 | demon | denken: hm... it looks like that should be all you need to do, choose power user, then save, but every tim eyou boot macos, it trashes all the current of settings |
| 00:55.56 | PowerBook3400 | ohhh... thank you much |
| 00:56.40 | denken | demon: thats what ive been able to determine up to this point, and yes, i had read that mac os will default all the settings. |
| 00:56.51 | denken | ok so let me get back to OF now that i know im doing this correctly |
| 00:57.35 | denken | k |
| 00:59.23 | denken | hrm load-base set itself to 600000 again... system disk must be doing that |
| 00:59.51 | demon | probably |
| 01:01.43 | denken | we seem pretty sure that its supposed to be ide0/disk@0:7... the drive is master, ive tried each load-base... |
| 01:01.46 | denken | hmm |
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| 01:15.19 | denken | demon: what boot-file ? |
| 01:15.26 | denken | what *about* it rather |
| 01:16.04 | denken | perhaps that needs to be set... |
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| 01:23.25 | denken | holy shit. |
| 01:23.34 | denken | it worked :) |
| 01:29.10 | denken | demon: i have to use System Disk itself to set both boot-device *and* boot-file and it worked like a charm. no OF fiddling at all |
| 01:29.36 | PowerBook3400 | ok.. it's time to ask the experts.... after readong bunches of things online... i find some conflicting information |
| 01:30.28 | PowerBook3400 | most of it is ambigous.. but some sources call the PB 3400c an oldworld machine, and some call it early new world... what is it officially? |
| 01:30.42 | denken | old-world |
| 01:30.55 | PowerBook3400 | thank you |
| 01:31.35 | denken | there is a clear dividing line between the two. basically, anything that doesnt have a g3/g4/g5 processor is for sure old world |
| 01:31.45 | denken | a few of the g3's are also old world |
| 01:31.54 | denken | all g4's and g4's are new world (and MOST g3's) |
| 01:37.25 | PowerBook3400 | i have a little information i'd like to share for future help to newbies installing Debian PPC |
| 01:37.44 | denken | write a how-to :) |
| 01:37.58 | denken | im going to. ill host yours on my website if you want |
| 01:38.27 | PowerBook3400 | lol.. it's just a site with all kinds of goodies to start out if you have a minimal mac os that you're starting from... www.pure-mac.com |
| 01:38.56 | PowerBook3400 | it's got disk copy and a stuffit expander and stuff |
| 01:39.10 | PowerBook3400 | and litterally hundreds of great things for mac |
| 01:39.33 | PowerBook3400 | if it haden't been for that site i'd have given up on this project long ago :) |
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| 01:43.52 | Wonkothesane | anyone here setup a wireless network? |
| 01:44.07 | Wonkothesane | zoink gotta go afk.. |
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| 01:47.38 | skel | oooh |
| 01:47.45 | skel | big storms a comin' |
| 01:47.48 | skel | bbl |
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| 01:53.38 | simonrvn | skel: build the NIC drivers as modules, and specify the order you want |
| 01:53.58 | simonrvn | ..in /etc/modules |
| 01:54.09 | PowerBook3400 | ohohohohoh |
| 01:54.12 | PowerBook3400 | YAY |
| 01:54.19 | Wonkothesane | when I try to get an IP on my wireless NIC I get an error receive_packet failed on eth1: Network is down |
| 01:54.23 | Wonkothesane | anyone seen this before? |
| 01:54.35 | PowerBook3400 | i got the installer to boot and i'm into the partition thing |
| 01:54.45 | simonrvn | cool |
| 01:55.30 | simonrvn | Wonkothesane: did you build CONFIG_PACKET and CONFIG_FILTER into you kernel? |
| 01:56.18 | denken | PowerBook3400: very cool :) |
| 01:56.38 | Wonkothesane | not sure |
| 01:56.42 | Wonkothesane | it's an orinoco silver |
| 01:56.42 | PowerBook3400 | and i didn't even have to touch OF |
| 01:57.00 | denken | you dont need to to install |
| 01:57.14 | denken | its when you want to boot directly into debian that you need to start screwing with OF |
| 01:57.25 | PowerBook3400 | oh? |
| 01:57.55 | PowerBook3400 | in that case... is it hard to leave a 300 MB partition ofr Mac? |
| 01:58.12 | simonrvn | no |
| 01:58.15 | denken | nah. i did the same thing on this mac... youll be ok, just finish the install |
| 01:59.39 | PowerBook3400 | this is where i get lost.. (forgive my newbieness) but it's asking for a first block for a linux partition |
| 01:59.59 | Wonkothesane | the parittion utility should tell you |
| 02:00.02 | denken | right |
| 02:00.28 | denken | i usually just use Apple's disk utility to make all my partitions first, then in the debian installer, delete and recreate them as linux partitions |
| 02:00.44 | PowerBook3400 | ohhh |
| 02:00.48 | PowerBook3400 | good idea |
| 02:00.51 | simonrvn | go p, then for the first partition, do b, then 2p then c, then 3p then size, then name etc. |
| 02:01.08 | simonrvn | ? for the help |
| 02:01.12 | simonrvn | or h |
| 02:01.44 | Wonkothesane | anyone done orinoco silver wireless pcmcia ? |
| 02:01.45 | Wonkothesane | in sid? |
| 02:01.49 | simonrvn | you can specify a partition by doing XXp, where XX is a umber, and p means 'partition' |
| 02:01.53 | simonrvn | no |
| 02:03.16 | bddebian | Wonkothesane: I have an Orinocco with the Lucent Wavelan chipset, is that what you mean? |
| 02:03.25 | PowerBook3400 | with only 48MB physical RAM... would a 200 meg swap be ok? |
| 02:03.52 | simonrvn | how big is the drive? |
| 02:03.52 | denken | it really depends on what your going to be doing |
| 02:03.58 | denken | that would probably be fine though |
| 02:04.01 | simonrvn | ..it's a lappy |
| 02:04.25 | denken | demon: thanks again for all your help tonight |
| 02:04.28 | simonrvn | though yes, i'd say 200 is ok |
| 02:05.22 | PowerBook3400 | well i'm not gonna be using it for anything intensive.. just a little mobil station to do very basic stuff |
| 02:06.00 | denken | thats what they all say.... |
| 02:06.03 | denken | :) |
| 02:07.16 | PowerBook3400 | i got a P4 hyperthreading for all my hard core stuff |
| 02:07.18 | PowerBook3400 | :-P |
| 02:08.11 | Wonkothesane | tell bddebian yup |
| 02:08.19 | Wonkothesane | uhhh |
| 02:08.29 | Wonkothesane | i mean... yes :D |
| 02:08.54 | Wonkothesane | did you follow a how-to on getting it working |
| 02:09.04 | Wonkothesane | it picks up the card. but I can' get it to pick up an IP |
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| 02:09.06 | PowerBook3400 | the swap partition should come AFTER the main linux partition right? |
| 02:11.25 | PowerBook3400 | am i right about the swap? |
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| 02:12.43 | denken | it doesnt matter really, but for the *best* performance, it should be on the outermost part of the platter |
| 02:12.48 | denken | i.e., the highest numbered partition |
| 02:13.51 | PowerBook3400 | right-o |
| 02:13.53 | PowerBook3400 | thanx |
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