| 00:00.21 | bighawk | well |
| 00:00.23 | _alpha | ide r0x |
| 00:00.24 | bighawk | it's 1st generation fc-al |
| 00:00.27 | _alpha | sata r0x more |
| 00:00.30 | _mechanix | bighawk : but for u guys its's more cheap to get that hardware, we're third world dude |
| 00:00.42 | bighawk | which means 1gbit fc-al per loop |
| 00:00.52 | _mechanix | we only get crap here ;D |
| 00:00.59 | bighawk | but it has very fast command signalling (the major advantage over scsi) |
| 00:01.11 | bighawk | 2nd generation fc-al is much faster :) |
| 00:01.19 | _mechanix | 300MB/s? |
| 00:01.25 | bighawk | nah, faster |
| 00:01.28 | bighawk | 400mb or somthing |
| 00:01.28 | _alpha | what piece of hardware do fibrechannel runs into? |
| 00:01.33 | _alpha | on |
| 00:01.34 | _mechanix | disks at 100k RPM ? |
| 00:01.35 | bighawk | ? |
| 00:01.42 | bighawk | 10k rpm and 15krpm |
| 00:01.46 | [MA]MTM84 | 100k RPM, thats fucking fast ;) |
| 00:01.46 | bighawk | they disks dont reach 300mb/sec |
| 00:02.02 | _mechanix | [MA]MTM84 : kidding ;D |
| 00:02.05 | bighawk | but if you attach many disks |
| 00:02.10 | bighawk | you can saturate the bandwith |
| 00:02.18 | _mechanix | bighawk : or do some mirroring.... |
| 00:02.21 | [MA]MTM84 | i know ;) |
| 00:02.47 | bighawk | my 1gbit is good enough for the disks i have |
| 00:02.57 | _mechanix | i'll attach an old car motor to a CD-Like piece of metal and turn it into a giang 10TB Hard Disk |
| 00:02.59 | _alpha | 1gbit? |
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| 00:03.11 | bighawk | the 73.4gb disk reads at 60mb/sec and writes at 45-50mb/sec |
| 00:03.13 | _mechanix | 100MB = 1Gb |
| 00:03.23 | _mechanix | notice "b" case |
| 00:03.26 | bighawk | the 18.2gb disk is slower |
| 00:03.43 | _alpha | whats 1gbit? |
| 00:03.56 | bighawk | 125mb/sec |
| 00:04.12 | bighawk | 1gbit = 1 gigabit = 1/8 gigabyte |
| 00:04.16 | [MA]MTM84 | 100MB = 800Mb... |
| 00:04.20 | _alpha | know that |
| 00:04.28 | bighawk | so 1gigabit = 125MByte/sec |
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| 00:04.29 | _alpha | what runs at 1gbit? |
| 00:04.35 | _alpha | its what i wanna know |
| 00:04.38 | _mechanix | back to class |
| 00:04.41 | bighawk | the interface |
| 00:04.47 | Gnuman | ethernet? |
| 00:04.49 | bighawk | the fc-al data channel |
| 00:04.53 | _alpha | hum |
| 00:04.57 | _mechanix | yummy |
| 00:05.01 | _mechanix | LOL |
| 00:05.58 | bighawk | _alpha: it's like with ide |
| 00:06.05 | _mechanix | hey, someone knows how can i overclock my daughtercard (604e @ 200mhz) doing that crystal oscillator replace or such??!?!?! |
| 00:06.13 | bighawk | _alpha: ata-100 has a theoretical interface speed of 100mb/sec |
| 00:06.16 | _alpha | bighawk: i see... =) |
| 00:06.23 | _alpha | mine is ata133 |
| 00:06.30 | bighawk | _alpha: but fc-al has _many_ speed advantages over ide |
| 00:06.38 | [MA]MTM84 | hes would be ata1000... |
| 00:06.38 | _alpha | works great in raid mode |
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| 00:06.45 | bighawk | _alpha: fc-al has all the advantages scsi has |
| 00:06.51 | _mechanix | scsi r0x |
| 00:06.55 | bighawk | _alpha: together with faster command signalling and enhanced reliability |
| 00:07.06 | sloopy | mech: i did my 132 to 150Mhz... 200Mhz probly wouldnt be a good canidate to OC |
| 00:07.10 | _mechanix | i know scsi r0x , even on my MESH controller |
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| 00:07.24 | leo | hi all |
| 00:07.39 | _alpha | hey |
| 00:07.40 | _mechanix | sloopy : i can put a fan on top of that HUGE cooler ? |
| 00:08.04 | bighawk | _alpha: disks with an fc-al interface are almost always of higher quality (enterprise models) than normal ide disks |
| 00:08.08 | bighawk | _alpha: hwich are consumer disks |
| 00:08.30 | _mechanix | sloopy : how can i do it? |
| 00:08.54 | _mechanix | imagine a 604e@300mhz ;D |
| 00:08.59 | _alpha | bighawk: those fc-al interfaces r found on which kind of hardware? never read about it |
| 00:09.00 | _mechanix | ahahhahaah , and burning after |
| 00:09.03 | sloopy | just replace the oscilator... |
| 00:09.15 | _mechanix | _alpha : expensive hardware for us ;D |
| 00:09.20 | sloopy | mech: my 9600 runs a 604e at 350Mhz ;') |
| 00:09.26 | bighawk | _alpha: highend hardware :) |
| 00:09.40 | bighawk | _alpha: oh fc-al has more advantages |
| 00:09.46 | _mechanix | bighawk : sata is getting in brazillian markets now , at astonishingly high prices |
| 00:09.51 | bighawk | _alpha: copper fc-al can have a wire length of 10metres |
| 00:09.56 | sloopy | doesnt Xserve's use fc? |
| 00:09.58 | _alpha | bighawk: say one...not for ia32 or ia64 i assume |
| 00:10.08 | bighawk | _alpha: fibre optic fc-al can have a wire length of 10kilometres |
| 00:10.27 | bighawk | so you can replicate your data 10km away |
| 00:10.36 | bighawk | for if the building collapses or something |
| 00:10.37 | _mechanix | bighawk : that would change the term "network file system" ;D |
| 00:10.42 | _mechanix | bighawk : 10kmmm |
| 00:10.42 | bighawk | no it isn't network |
| 00:10.46 | bighawk | it's directly connected |
| 00:10.57 | _mechanix | bighawk : kidding man |
| 00:11.10 | bighawk | _alpha: fc-al is also for pc's man |
| 00:11.17 | bighawk | _alpha: you can buy fc-al adapters for pc's |
| 00:11.22 | bighawk | _alpha: just like you can buy scsi adapters |
| 00:11.42 | _mechanix | sloopy : there is a tutorial on the net? |
| 00:11.43 | _alpha | bighawk: ill take a look at it later |
| 00:11.57 | _mechanix | sloopy : i have another daughtercard to try first (and 604 @ 150mhz) |
| 00:11.58 | sloopy | mech: google knows all ;') |
| 00:12.15 | _mechanix | sloopy : i've tried but google founds all but that... |
| 00:12.50 | mirak_ | hemm where are the mirrors for the isos ? |
| 00:12.57 | _mechanix | hey , u guys are seeing an exclamation here >> "?" |
| 00:13.15 | Firehand | hum whats the main diffrence between 603e and 604e? |
| 00:13.22 | bighawk | i'm off to bed |
| 00:13.23 | bighawk | good night |
| 00:13.32 | sloopy | just a quick search and found this... |
| 00:13.32 | _alpha | bighawk: night |
| 00:13.35 | sloopy | http://homepage.mac.com/schrier/604_180.html |
| 00:14.14 | sloopy | Firehand: alot... 604 is a much better and faster cpu... |
| 00:14.43 | mirak_ | do I need the six isos ? |
| 00:14.57 | Firehand | sloopy: well i've only a 603e Machine :) |
| 00:15.19 | [MA]MTM84 | oh yeah... my 9600 runs so much better then my 6400 ever did |
| 00:15.25 | sloopy | Firehand: rough estimation... 132Mhz 604=200Mhz 603.... |
| 00:15.35 | Firehand | ah |
| 00:15.38 | Firehand | k |
| 00:16.02 | Firehand | hum |
| 00:16.15 | Firehand | i've indeed a 603e... it's a 604 :> |
| 00:16.34 | Firehand | hum well i always getting confused by that 'names' =) |
| 00:16.42 | [MA]MTM84 | uh... |
| 00:16.50 | [MA]MTM84 | now you lost *me* |
| 00:16.57 | Firehand | :> |
| 00:17.01 | Firehand | but i have no Mac :P |
| 00:17.33 | _mechanix | so i'm best suited with an 604e/200 than 603ev/250mhz? |
| 00:17.35 | [MA]MTM84 | well, that explains it... |
| 00:18.04 | Firehand | _mechanix: seems so |
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| 00:20.51 | _mechanix | i always wanted a 5500/350 to try debian/powerpc |
| 00:21.08 | Firehand | but? |
| 00:23.48 | _mechanix | 603.... |
| 00:24.14 | _mechanix | mine is a 8500 |
| 00:24.30 | Firehand | ah |
| 00:24.41 | Firehand | well i guess i'm going to buy some cheap mac on ebay some day... |
| 00:24.55 | Firehand | although my parents will blast me away if i get any more computers :> |
| 00:27.31 | _mechanix | sloopy : my 604/150 is in my hands ;D |
| 00:27.35 | _mechanix | (daughtercard) |
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| 00:31.13 | _mechanix | ;D |
| 00:36.09 | _mechanix | can't open it |
| 00:41.16 | _mechanix | how can i detach heat dissipator after removing the 5 screws??? |
| 00:44.11 | _mechanix | sloopy : oscilator 197-0603K |
| 00:44.17 | _mechanix | 50.000M |
| 00:44.19 | _mechanix | 9606 |
| 00:44.25 | _mechanix | these numbers are familiar? |
| 00:44.32 | _mechanix | 3x multiplier???? |
| 00:45.42 | _mechanix | anoybody alive? |
| 00:49.48 | _mechanix | sloopy !?!?!?! |
| 00:49.48 | _mechanix | sloopy !?!?!?! |
| 00:49.52 | PowerBook3400 | rawr |
| 00:49.52 | sloopy | ? |
| 00:50.01 | PowerBook3400 | why is this only installing kernel 2.2 |
| 00:50.06 | _mechanix | about the clock on the 604.... |
| 00:50.53 | sloopy | hmmm i dont rem... i havent played with one in years.... |
| 00:51.10 | _mechanix | mine its a 50mhz crystal |
| 00:51.18 | _mechanix | so its mult is at 3x ;D |
| 00:51.45 | sloopy | yup |
| 00:52.00 | _mechanix | so its all about putting another oscillator and so? |
| 00:52.12 | _mechanix | and 60.000 oscillator would give me 180mhz so |
| 00:52.54 | PowerBook3400 | isn't woody supposed to use kernel 2.4+ |
| 00:54.06 | _mechanix | be back someday |
| 00:57.52 | PowerBook3400 | hey sloopy, what kernel version does woody use? |
| 00:58.42 | [MA]MTM84 | 2.4.18... i think... maybe |
| 00:59.04 | PowerBook3400 | well from what i can tell.. it will only install 2.2 for me :( |
| 00:59.58 | PowerBook3400 | will installing a bootstrap work instead of using a bootloader? |