| 00:02.57 | assassin_bill | nice nick BOFH ;) |
| 00:14.29 | krunk- | how do I boot to OF and force a boot to cd? |
| 00:18.05 | demon | hold cmd-opt-O-F at power-up |
| 00:18.15 | demon | that'll kick the system to openfirmware |
| 00:18.28 | demon | then type 'boot cd:,\\:tbxi' at the prompt |
| 00:20.23 | sourdough | or hold the C key at boot isntead |
| 00:23.17 | krunk- | nah not working, the debian cd doesn't boot by holding C |
| 00:24.06 | demon | what kind of system have you got? |
| 00:24.13 | krunk- | G3 300mhz |
| 00:24.29 | demon | blue/white tower? |
| 00:24.54 | krunk- | demon pretty sure it's that, but it's in the grey case so I don't know for certain |
| 00:25.23 | demon | um... grey case? like, rounded case with handles? |
| 00:25.39 | krunk- | yes, but the guts don't match the case |
| 00:25.47 | demon | hm... |
| 00:26.11 | demon | what does openfirmware say when you drop the system into it? |
| 00:26.40 | krunk- | demon (can't get into OF...) i'm going to try OF again, I may not have been doing it quick enough |
| 00:27.16 | demon | hold cmd-opt-O-F from just after you push the power button |
| 00:27.45 | demon | it should "bong" and then go to the all-white openfirmware display, output some version info, and a prompt |
| 00:29.19 | sourdough | debian CD might be too old |
| 00:29.22 | sourdough | try my XFS iso |
| 00:30.05 | demon | sourdough: it should still try to start yaboot |
| 00:30.08 | demon | shouldn't it? |
| 00:30.28 | krunk- | I just burnt it |
| 00:31.08 | krunk- | no the OF isn't booting, probably because I'm on a non-mac keyboard and the OF doesn't recognize it |
| 00:31.31 | krunk- | I guess I'll just trade it or give it away to someone |
| 00:31.32 | demon | does it have a command key? |
| 00:31.46 | krunk- | the command key is the windows key (in osx anyways) |
| 00:32.01 | demon | mm... well, that should work |
| 00:32.15 | krunk- | I tried: WIN+CTRL+o+f, and WIN+ALT+o+f |
| 00:32.21 | demon | the latter |
| 00:32.36 | krunk- | do I need to hit shift to make the o and f upper case? |
| 00:33.23 | demon | no |
| 00:35.17 | krunk- | nope not working. It's frustrating, I know this would make a great little file server |
| 00:35.53 | krunk- | nice and quite, was even thinking of turning it into a mythtv/home media center |
| 00:37.03 | sourdough | demon nope |
| 00:37.09 | assassin_bill | Anyone here use ion? |
| 00:37.33 | sourdough | demon if the loader on the CD is too old new machines refuse to even try to boot it |
| 00:37.40 | krunk- | the weird thing is it booted the suse-ppc fine, but than it got weird |
| 00:38.27 | krunk- | do you guys think I'd have better luck with a full debian cd (I wanted to do the ftp install and have the mini cd) |
| 00:38.48 | sourdough | krunk- you will prbably have better luck with my xfs iso |
| 00:38.55 | krunk- | why xfs? |
| 00:38.57 | sourdough | it has up to date bootlodaer which supports almost all machines |
| 00:39.15 | sourdough | debian has years old bootloder which supports nothing in the last 1+ years |
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| 00:39.36 | krunk- | ahhhh ok, isn't xfs still an not 100% solid filesystem? |
| 00:39.49 | krunk- | hmmm, I'm sure this baby is more than a year |
| 00:39.58 | demon | are you sure it's a g3? |
| 00:40.12 | krunk- | I'll grab another xfs. That's what panther detected it as |
| 00:40.24 | demon | hm... weird |
| 00:40.57 | sourdough | krunk- XFS is the best filesystem |
| 00:41.03 | sourdough | krunk- more then 100% solid |
| 00:41.24 | krunk- | what does it offer above other journalised fs, like ext3? |
| 00:41.40 | sourdough | krunk- my iso offers XFS, ext2 and ext3 |
| 00:41.45 | sourdough | XFS is best |
| 00:42.17 | krunk- | so I should get the bootbf2_4-xfs_iso.zip? |
| 00:42.30 | sourdough | no |
| 00:42.32 | sourdough | thats not mine |
| 00:42.34 | sourdough | see topic |
| 00:43.05 | krunk- | I'll try it...I gave reiserfs a shot and it about screwed my whole file system just had a seizure one day |
| 00:43.45 | sourdough | your better off formatting all your partitions tmpfs then to use reiser |
| 00:43.54 | sourdough | my iso does not support reiser, for good reason |
| 00:43.58 | sourdough | its unportable broken shit |
| 00:44.41 | krunk- | you don't have to tell me, I'll never use it again...don't care how good it gets |
| 00:46.25 | sourdough | reiser is not good, only its hype and advertising is `good' |
| 00:46.44 | krunk- | what's the name of your xfs iso? |
| 00:46.54 | sourdough | see topic |
| 00:47.01 | sourdough | -:- Topic (#debianppc): Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. || Install Debian on |
| 00:47.01 | sourdough | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.37 | krunk- | yeah I'm reading that, it has a link to an ftp with several isos (mostly floppy) |
| 00:47.50 | sourdough | finish reading it |
| 00:48.13 | sourdough | you have to read and follow that readme, or the instlal will fail |
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| 00:49.55 | krunk- | ah haaa, here we go |
| 00:50.13 | fluor- | hi there - I got an Apple iBook G4, and my mouse is kind of too fast and unprecise under X |
| 00:50.24 | fluor- | can anyone share its mouseconfig? |
| 00:54.27 | sourdough | thats usually controlled by the windowmanager |
| 00:54.43 | fluor- | sourdough: sure, I'm using gpm as well though |
| 00:54.44 | sourdough | use whatever tool your windowmanager/desktop env provides for mouse config |
| 00:54.54 | fluor- | sourdough: err, no, not wm, rather X |
| 00:54.56 | sourdough | man gpm |
| 00:55.03 | sourdough | gpm has nothing to do wiht X |
| 00:55.04 | fluor- | sourdough: works good on the console |
| 00:55.11 | fluor- | sourdough: it can |
| 00:55.13 | sourdough | console == gpm |
| 00:55.19 | sourdough | X == use your windowmanager |
| 00:55.20 | fluor- | sourdough: I'm using /dev/gpmdata under X |
| 00:55.23 | fluor- | sourdough: I know that |
| 00:55.26 | sourdough | fluor- don't do that |
| 00:55.34 | sourdough | fluor- its unrelable and no longer necessary |
| 00:55.40 | fluor- | sourdough: but I want both console *and* X to have mouse support |
| 00:55.41 | sourdough | use /dev/input/mice for both |
| 00:55.43 | fluor- | oh, really? |
| 00:55.45 | fluor- | damn |
| 00:55.52 | sourdough | fluor- yes, that works fine, use /dev/input/mice |
| 00:55.56 | fluor- | is it some new features of 2.6? |
| 00:56.00 | sourdough | there is no longer a conflict with the input layer |
| 00:56.07 | sourdough | fluor- no, since 2.4.* |
| 00:56.14 | fluor- | ?! |
| 00:56.22 | fluor- | shit, I must have had my head up my ass, hehe |
| 00:56.23 | sourdough | any kernel using the input layer for your mouse will work fine |
| 00:56.30 | sourdough | this has been fixed for YEARS |
| 00:56.48 | sourdough | except on x86 wiht ps2 mice, x86 ps2 doesn't use the input layer until 2.6 |
| 00:56.57 | sourdough | but usb has for years |
| 00:57.02 | sourdough | on all arch |
| 00:57.28 | sourdough | gpm repeater is broken crap, good riddence to it |
| 00:57.34 | fluor- | alright |
| 00:57.41 | fluor- | be kind, I'm very new to PPC :) |
| 00:57.47 | fluor- | I'm still using x86 a lot :) |
| 00:57.51 | fluor- | just have a PPC laptop |
| 00:57.53 | fluor- | hehe |
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| 01:30.38 | krunk- | holy shit, xfs booted...guess I'll be running a deb ppc after all :) |
| 01:33.01 | krunk- | as long as I have my cli, I'm happy |
| 01:37.53 | fluor- | is it possible to display a message.txt at yaboot prompt, like in lilo? |
| 01:38.17 | fluor- | oops, sorry, found it in man yaboot.conf |
| 01:39.45 | sourdough | fluor- man yaboot.conf is quite complete |
| 01:40.12 | krunk- | now it's not working, but I think I figured out the problem |
| 01:41.49 | fluor- | bye all |
| 02:12.09 | skel | Stereo: i don't think so. I've only been on freenode =P |
| 02:12.20 | skel | Stereo: speexdec did it for me =] |
| 02:12.25 | skel | Stereo: thx though :) |
| 02:17.02 | skel | is firefox still broken in the aspect that you can't install any themes or extensions without it crashing? |
| 02:27.03 | wasabi | was it ever broken that way? |
| 02:29.18 | skel | wasabi: i have yet to be able to install an extension on firefox without it crashing.. |
| 02:29.25 | skel | wasabi: or even a theme for that matter.. |
| 02:31.06 | wasabi | hmmm |
| 02:34.58 | skel | wasabi: I did fail to mention that this is sid.. |
| 02:35.06 | wasabi | I use sid as well. |
| 02:35.18 | skel | but I'm running the same version of firefox elsewhere without issue.. |
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| 02:35.51 | skel | I'll just stick with firebird |
| 02:36.53 | sourdough | rm -rf .firefox or whatever |
| 02:37.06 | sourdough | thats usually what causes mozilla problems |
| 02:37.09 | krunk- | I'm at the partition your hard drive part, I erased and reparted with a 1gb for swap and 2 for the install (I don't need a gui) |
| 02:37.34 | krunk- | but I don't see where to format the parts with swap and xfs? (? doesn't ahve a format option) |
| 02:37.40 | skel | sourdough: yeah, tried that and a few other permissions tweaking with the chrome registry with no success.. |
| 02:38.01 | skel | 1Gb swap?! |
| 02:38.02 | skel | wow |
| 02:38.12 | krunk- | *shrug* why not hehe |
| 02:38.43 | krunk- | I figure 2 gigs is plenty for a cli only install |
| 02:39.10 | skel | krunk-: just depends on what you're doing.. |
| 02:39.35 | krunk- | file server mainly, maybe a web server and firewall later |
| 02:39.44 | skel | krunk-: whats the HD size? |
| 02:39.57 | krunk- | ummm 3-3.5 gb |
| 02:40.41 | krunk- | but if I get the install going all peachy, I'll throw a nice ata100 7200 20gb in there as well as my 100gb data disk |
| 02:42.18 | krunk- | isn't the suggested swap 2x ram anyway? |
| 02:44.28 | skel | yeah i thing thats the generic suggestions |
| 02:45.22 | krunk- | I knocked it down to 500, I can always increase when I transfer over to the 20gb later |
| 02:45.27 | skel | i think there's actually a specific formula for determining the optimized amount of swap to physical memory. |
| 02:46.58 | krunk- | anyway, how do get debian to activate the swap, I create a partition with mac-fdisk but initialize swap says no valid part found. I see no option in mac-fdisk to format my drive |