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| 00:44.06 | brap | ? |
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| 03:44.38 | ShadowRage | heyo people |
| 03:45.00 | ShadowRage | I'm trying to install quik on a powermac 7200 |
| 03:45.11 | ShadowRage | anyways, the root drive is /dev/sda6 |
| 03:45.21 | ShadowRage | what partition number would that officially be? |
| 03:45.36 | ShadowRage | (since I've seen hda3 as partition 2 on some examples, etc |
| 03:45.46 | ShadowRage | it's the only linux partition as well. |
| 03:49.00 | sloopy | it would be partition 6... |
| 03:49.43 | simonrvn | uh, 6 |
| 03:50.30 | ShadowRage | sloopy: I know, but, I've seen examples that show the partition in the quik config specified as 1 or 2 while the device is like hda4 or hda7 |
| 03:50.31 | ShadowRage | etc |
| 03:50.37 | ShadowRage | sloopy: that's why I was asking |
| 03:50.57 | sloopy | hmmm dunno... dont use quik... i use bootx... |
| 03:51.18 | simonrvn | ShadowRage: uh, no |
| 03:51.27 | ShadowRage | sloopy: this is on a 7200 |
| 03:51.30 | sloopy | simonrvn: uses quik so he would know better then me... |
| 03:51.41 | ShadowRage | simonrvn: ok, care to help me? |
| 03:52.00 | simonrvn | with? |
| 03:52.31 | simonrvn | if it says sda6, it's that partition. man quik.conf, man quik |
| 03:52.45 | sloopy | today when i was at wawa ( an inconvience store) i saw some kid with a sweatshirt that said 'QUIK' on it :') |
| 03:52.51 | simonrvn | root=/dev/sdc3 |
| 03:52.51 | simonrvn | partition=3 |
| 03:52.55 | simonrvn | mine |
| 03:53.08 | simonrvn | haha |
| 03:53.10 | pkirchner | simonrvn: speaking of BootX, can you set the default to Linux? |
| 03:53.11 | ShadowRage | simonrvn: this is the sample I'm talking about |
| 03:53.16 | ShadowRage | init-message = "Slackintosh 8.1.\n" |
| 03:53.16 | ShadowRage | partition=2 |
| 03:53.16 | ShadowRage | root=/dev/hda3 |
| 03:53.16 | ShadowRage | timeout = 50 |
| 03:53.16 | ShadowRage | default = linux |
| 03:53.18 | ShadowRage | image = /vmlinux |
| 03:53.20 | ShadowRage | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.29 | simonrvn | pkirchner: yes, tab to linux highlighted, then 'save to prefs' |
| 03:53.33 | ShadowRage | that's with /boot being its own partition |
| 03:53.42 | ShadowRage | so is that why it's like that? |
| 03:53.46 | pkirchner | simonrvn: oh, oops, duh, thanks |
| 03:54.10 | simonrvn | because it's misconfigured |
| 03:54.28 | ShadowRage | simonrvn: hmmm |
| 03:56.47 | ShadowRage | simonrvn: can I message you my current config? |
| 03:57.54 | simonrvn | #flood |
| 03:59.28 | ShadowRage | simonrvn: well? |
| 03:59.52 | ShadowRage | (sorry if I sound impatient, working on a remote machine, and my sister wants me off the internet) |
| 04:19.21 | pkirchner | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.51 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 04:31.16 | sloopy | !_! |
| 04:31.43 | pkirchner | sloopy: you from Jersey? |
| 04:31.50 | sloopy | one of these days i will understand those types of emoticons... |
| 04:31.58 | sloopy | pkirchner: yeah :'/ |
| 04:32.31 | pkirchner | I used to live in Jersey, Turnersville? Near Philly |
| 04:33.06 | sloopy | i live in somers point... near atlantic city... |
| 04:33.14 | sloopy | where you live now? |
| 04:33.20 | pkirchner | Shevegas |
| 04:33.46 | pkirchner | aka Sheboygan, WI, ever watch that 70's show? They talk about Sheboygan as "Sin City" |
| 04:33.55 | pkirchner | It's no Atlantic City though ;) |
| 04:34.03 | JimButton | i've seen princeton and new brunswick in NJ. the best point of both of them seems to be the proximity to NYC... |
| 04:34.10 | sloopy | you should be bragging it isnt atlantic city ;') |
| 04:34.43 | sloopy | JimButton: yeah new brunswick is nice... go there park all night for $10 and take the train into NYC for $8... |
| 04:34.53 | pkirchner | that might be true, but I've never seen Atlantic City, if people ask, I just say I'm from Milwaukee |
| 04:34.55 | JimButton | sloopy: actually, i did that once :) |
| 04:35.11 | JimButton | sloopy: the parking lot in princeton junction was totally filled up |
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| 04:35.20 | sloopy | JimButton: yeah i have done it a few times... last time was MWNY 2002 |
| 04:35.22 | JimButton | sloopy: so i drove to new brunswick and took the train there :) |
| 04:35.36 | sloopy | JimButton: you in NJ? |
| 04:35.42 | JimButton | no, in MI |
| 04:35.49 | JimButton | i was visiting friends in princeton |
| 04:35.53 | sloopy | ahhh |
| 04:36.23 | JimButton | princeton is full of snobs... |
| 04:36.35 | JimButton | well, good university of course :) |
| 04:36.50 | simonrvn | weee |
| 04:36.51 | sloopy | yeah... if there were no assholes in the world, NJ would have a population of about 30.... |
| 04:36.58 | JimButton | lol |
| 04:37.01 | simonrvn | hhehe |
| 04:37.30 | JimButton | actually, when i crossed the state line from PA, i noticed that most of the truck drivers turned into maniacs |
| 04:37.38 | sloopy | i used to think bill gates was the biggest asshole in america untill i met my father-in-law, used to be my sig... |
| 04:37.39 | JimButton | i wonder whether there is something in the air... |
| 04:37.57 | simonrvn | yeah, it's called pollution |
| 04:38.17 | sloopy | deffinitly... i have never been in a hospital for more then 4 hours... last summer i was in for 4 days with asthma... |
| 04:38.27 | JimButton | simonrvn: that too, but they were driving like totally insane |
| 04:38.37 | simonrvn | oh, that's the speed |
| 04:38.42 | JimButton | simonrvn: in pennsylvania and new york, that was different in my perception :) |
| 04:38.50 | simonrvn | the drug, not the velocity |
| 04:38.51 | sloopy | i was in the hospital yesterday... |
| 04:38.52 | JimButton | oh, strike that comma |
| 04:39.06 | pkirchner | sloopy; for asthma again? |
| 04:39.20 | JimButton | i thought california had the worst air in the US |
| 04:39.22 | sloopy | pkirchner: no... abdominal pain... i ate some food form NJ |
| 04:39.35 | JimButton | or at least some places in california, like san bernardino or such |
| 04:39.39 | sloopy | JimButton: delaware has the highest cancer rate... |
| 04:39.41 | pkirchner | hard to avoid if you live in NJ eh? |
| 04:39.59 | simonrvn | i've hitchhiked across PA and NY... the PA highway patrol dropped me into NY state, and didn't wanna see my ass there. all i had for ID was my canadian passport, teehee |
| 04:40.04 | dondelelcaro | JimButton: it can be bad here, but we have pretty strict regulations... |
| 04:40.05 | sloopy | pkirchner: yeah... i have two pet rats... when i give them my mum-in-laws cooking they wont eat it... |
| 04:40.13 | sloopy | (that is no joke... ) |
| 04:40.14 | simonrvn | i was coming back from ohio |
| 04:40.35 | JimButton | sloopy: lol |
| 04:40.48 | pkirchner | sloopy: you should refer to your wife's folks as "outlaws" |
| 04:41.08 | sloopy | pkirchner: would get killed for giving outlaws a bad name... |
| 04:41.24 | pkirchner | ouch |
| 04:42.02 | sloopy | my father-in-law has more porn then seymour butts... |
| 04:42.13 | JimButton | sloopy: man, you shou |
| 04:42.21 | JimButton | sloopy: man, you should get on TV... |
| 04:42.24 | pkirchner | seymour is in big trouble as of late |
| 04:42.26 | simonrvn | ...well, i didn't know at the time, but you're not supposed to hitchhike on the interstate... |
| 04:42.28 | JimButton | some sort of reality show |
| 04:42.40 | sloopy | JimButton: naahh... dont like the brain sucker... |
| 04:42.52 | JimButton | simonrvn: americans are paranoid in general :) |
| 04:43.02 | sloopy | simonrvn: yeah it isnt a good idea... |
| 04:43.09 | JimButton | simonrvn: they probably thought you were a serial killer or hippie or such... |
| 04:43.31 | sloopy | damn hippies.... |
| 04:43.45 | simonrvn | i'm from .ca... yeh you're not supposed to hitchhike on the highway, but at least the cops bring you to a town, and don,t leave you at a fucking rest stop... |
| 04:44.02 | JimButton | i remember the old days, hitch-hiking from berlin to copenhagen and back... |
| 04:44.03 | simonrvn | JimButton: the latter, i had ong hair at the time |
| 04:44.06 | simonrvn | long even |
| 04:44.46 | pkirchner | simonrvn: I think it's the same law about no bike riding on interstates |
| 04:44.46 | JimButton | simonrvn: upstate NY has very few towns, and you don't want to be in them either... |
| 04:45.09 | ShadowRage | g2g |
| 04:45.10 | ShadowRage | later |
| 04:45.11 | simonrvn | hmm, wouldn't know, and i get the impression i don't want to know either |
| 04:45.12 | JimButton | simonrvn: well, maybe it has towns, but it sucks :) |
| 04:45.16 | sloopy | yeah i got pulled over by a cop for 'suspicion of drugs' when i was with 3 friends in tennessee in a '58 VW transporter (i.e. VW Bus) |
| 04:45.45 | simonrvn | ..../quit msg... 'cause thy suck shit |
| 04:45.54 | JimButton | no success |
| 04:46.10 | pkirchner | Not to change the subject but here's a good documentary on the American Porn industry |
| 04:46.11 | simonrvn | JimButton: yeh right. coffee? hahaha more like piss |
| 04:46.32 | simonrvn | it's called brown water |
| 04:46.33 | JimButton | simonrvn: well, in cities you can get good coffee now :) |
| 04:46.38 | pkirchner | http://www/perdignus.com/ FrontlineAmericanPorn1.avi 2 3 4 5 & 6 |
| 04:46.49 | jjbenham | is there a good book or online reference for leanring linux ppc assembly? |
| 04:46.50 | JimButton | simonrvn: but in those small towns near the highways... forget it |
| 04:46.50 | simonrvn | well, yeh, and that even fair trade coffee ;) |
| 04:47.22 | simonrvn | JimButton: small-towns-near-the-highways-coffee = brown water |
| 04:47.29 | sloopy | jjbenham: i think i have a link give me a sec to find it... |
| 04:48.48 | JimButton | simonrvn: but i have to say, your canadian chain "tim horton" or whatever it's called also sucks |
| 04:48.56 | JimButton | at least the muffins |
| 04:49.08 | JimButton | they taste and have a texture like glue |
| 04:49.11 | simonrvn | JimButton: i agree. that's why they advert all the time... |
| 04:49.22 | jjbenham | sloopy:I have found many tutorial but many are for mac os or they just go as far as hello world |
| 04:49.30 | JimButton | i made the mistake once to go there in toronto :) |
| 04:49.32 | sloopy | http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-ppc/ |
| 04:49.47 | sloopy | yeah i think this one may too... it has been a while since i have looked at it... |
| 04:49.58 | simonrvn | i'm of the opinion that co.s that advert everywhere have sucky products, so they think ads will promote sales |
| 04:50.08 | sloopy | there is more to assem then hello world? ;') |
| 04:50.15 | simonrvn | @comfort JimButton |
| 04:50.17 | ravenbird | There, there, JimButton. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:50.25 | JimButton | thx :) |
| 04:50.36 | JimButton | still, toronto seriously rocks |
| 04:51.02 | simonrvn | toronto isn't so bad as tim snortons makes it to look like |
| 04:51.02 | pkirchner | Canada rocks in general |
| 04:51.26 | JimButton | simonrvn: well, i also found nice cafes there :) |
| 04:51.27 | simonrvn | pkirchner: the politicians all suck though like everywhere else |
| 04:51.32 | jjbenham | sloopy: thanks for the link. I actually read that one already. I am going to read it a few more times. |
| 04:51.39 | pkirchner | Aside from the biting black flies that is, well and the mosquitos |
| 04:51.40 | simonrvn | JimButton: yeh :) |
| 04:51.42 | JimButton | pkirchner: i am not so sure whether smalltown canada would suit me |
| 04:51.43 | sloopy | jjbenham: ok |
| 04:51.55 | simonrvn | pkirchner: national bird is the mosquitoe |
| 04:51.59 | sloopy | jjbenham: i have the manuals for the 603 and 604 in storage :') |
| 04:52.01 | simonrvn | j/k |
| 04:52.17 | jjbenham | sloopy: I think I might get a good book or something. I just find these hello, world tutorials and that is about it. I need more. |
| 04:52.19 | JimButton | a friend of mine (from windsor) now got a position at the university in winnipeg |
| 04:52.20 | sloopy | state bird of NJ is the middle finger :') |
| 04:52.22 | pkirchner | I was in Banff in April and actuall saw a mosquito in a swow storm at Lake Louise |
| 04:52.34 | jjbenham | ha ha |
| 04:52.39 | simonrvn | JimButton: which one, u. of manitoba, or u. of winnipeg? |
| 04:52.52 | JimButton | simonrvn: good question, don't really know |
| 04:52.52 | jjbenham | sloopy: do you write in assembly? |
| 04:52.59 | sloopy | jjbenham: hmmm try asking in #mklinux the kernel dev's and ibm people hang there.... may take some time for a response tho... |
| 04:53.09 | simonrvn | hehehe. lake louise is Forbidden Territory ;P |
| 04:53.20 | jjbenham | sloopy: ok |
| 04:53.21 | sloopy | jjbenham: not ppc... i have done alot of 6502 assem and some 68k assem... |
| 04:53.31 | jjbenham | ok |
| 04:53.32 | pkirchner | simonrvn: what? it was better than Whistler |
| 04:53.51 | simonrvn | whistler even more so.... all the skiers |
| 04:54.08 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 04:54.14 | jjbenham | sloopy: Bor_Ed was recomending 6502. I actually have a c64 here and I have vice already installed |
| 04:54.36 | jjbenham | sloopy: do you use cc65 or xa65? |
| 04:54.42 | sloopy | if you want to learn 6502 i would suggest atari... much better machine... |
| 04:55.01 | JimButton | i did 6502 assembler on an apple ][ |
| 04:55.07 | JimButton | that was kind of fun |
| 04:55.27 | sloopy | jjbenham: neither... i would use either mac/65 (and atari IDE) or do hand assem... |
| 04:55.38 | jjbenham | sloopy: should I use the apple ][ emulator? |
| 04:56.08 | JimButton | i also liked the fact that the apple ][ had 2 versions of basic... |
| 04:56.12 | simonrvn | lake louise is nice though, damned beautiful |
| 04:56.20 | jjbenham | sloopy: can get this be freely downloaded? |
| 04:56.28 | sloopy | jjbenham: using an emu i dont know... but on the real hardware i would say atari-apple-anything else-c64 in that order.... |
| 04:56.55 | jjbenham | sloopy: ok |
| 04:56.56 | sloopy | jjbenham: not legally... but yes you could probly find it... |
| 04:57.33 | jjbenham | sloopy: so it is well and freely documented on how to write assembly for this processor? |
| 04:57.44 | pkirchner | Sweet RISC based dreams all... |
| 04:57.51 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 04:58.02 | sloopy | for 6502? oh yeah... 6502 tutorials are all around... |
| 04:58.42 | jjbenham | sloopy: someone suggested learning x86 assebly so I get crack those nVidia drivers! |
| 04:59.02 | sloopy | x86 assem WILL MAKE YOU GO INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:59.28 | jjbenham | ha ha |
| 04:59.46 | jjbenham | sloopy: what atari version were you using? |
| 05:01.41 | sloopy | i was using 800, then 1200xl then 130xe |
| 05:02.43 | jjbenham | wow! You are a big into atari! |
| 05:04.06 | sloopy | rem i started using computers in '80 ;') |
| 05:04.19 | sloopy | i havent used my 130xe in years... |
| 05:04.44 | sloopy | hey anyone here use MOL? |
| 05:10.17 | dondelelcaro | does someone know if 2.6.5-rc3 really fixes the powerbook sleep problems like it claims to? |
| 05:10.46 | jjbenham | sloopy: have you ever played corewars? |
| 05:11.08 | sloopy | no, seen it played many a moon ago... |
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| 05:11.27 | sloopy | i have played hack on a pdp-8 tho... used to own a pdt-11 |
| 05:12.52 | sloopy | holy penguin poop... someone actually bid... and someone else bid too! |
| 05:12.55 | sloopy | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4108770944 |
| 05:15.32 | jjbenham | sloopy: is that a pic of you? |
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| 07:42.31 | sloopy | is /dev/ttyS0 specific to i386 linux or is it generic for all linux? |
| 07:45.09 | Rotund | should be generic, I think |
| 07:45.21 | Rotund | It's a UNIXism |
| 07:45.53 | Rotund | trying to use a modem? |
| 07:46.27 | sloopy | hmmm netbsd uses /dev/tty00 and solaris uses /dev/ttya |
| 07:46.40 | Rotund | must be wrong then |
| 07:46.45 | sloopy | no i am compiling an atari 8bit emulator... |
| 07:46.49 | Rotund | the tty is standard =) |
| 07:46.55 | Rotund | oh, cool |
| 07:47.22 | Rotund | oh yeah, OpenBSD called it something different |
| 07:47.23 | sloopy | ok cause it is if def'ing for linux and i386... |
| 07:47.38 | Rotund | you doing PPC? |
| 07:47.46 | sloopy | #if defined (__linux__) && defined(__i386__) |
| 07:47.51 | sloopy | yead |
| 07:47.54 | sloopy | yeah |
| 07:48.13 | Rotund | what does it need a serial port for? |
| 07:48.42 | sloopy | full emulation... so you can hook up your old atari rs-232 peripherals ;') |
| 07:49.04 | Rotund | ahhh. Macs never had RS232 as far as I know |
| 07:49.13 | Rotund | They used... some other RS |
| 07:49.17 | sloopy | this isnt something i am going to use but changing an ifdef is easier then a change in makefile... |
| 07:49.18 | Rotund | 4something |
| 07:49.21 | sloopy | RS-422 |
| 07:49.26 | Rotund | there ya go |
| 07:49.55 | sloopy | it is basically an rs-232 using differential signals... |
| 07:50.45 | Rotund | yeah, we just rewired the pins I believe and it worked |
| 07:50.57 | sloopy | yeah pretty much... |
| 07:51.00 | Rotund | might have had to limit the voltage, but I don't think so |
| 07:51.12 | Rotund | (just trying to hook up a terminal) |
| 07:51.13 | sloopy | shouldnt need to... |
| 07:51.43 | sloopy | rs-422 will do rs-232 easily... rs-232 doing rs-422 on the other hand aint... |
| 07:52.05 | Rotund | does debian automatically clean up .deb files when it's done w/ them? |
| 07:56.59 | sloopy | IIRC it asks... |
| 07:57.24 | sloopy | changed the line to remove the i386 and it compiled and ran... |
| 07:57.49 | sloopy | tho it did do full screen and the quit button eluded me :'/ |
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| 08:44.04 | sloopy | ravenbird: botsnack |
| 08:44.05 | ravenbird | oh, c'est trop gentil :), sloopy |
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| 09:05.47 | StarScream | ok people I have a yellow dog install on an Ibook 800, i am now ready to stop sucking and use a proper distro |
| 09:07.12 | StarScream | does anyone have any good resources for setting up kernels or apple slaptops? |
| 09:07.34 | StarScream | i.e which config options i need etc..i have no idea what controllers i have |
| 09:07.54 | simonrvn | linux-laptop.net has some links. also the howto in the topic |
| 09:08.14 | simonrvn | could be linux-laptops.net too.. |
| 09:08.41 | simonrvn | lspci and some reading will give you that stuff (drivers, etc.) |
| 09:09.24 | StarScream | sadjester: cool, what about the power management stuff |
| 09:09.51 | StarScream | and setting up they brightness/sound keys etc..? |
| 09:14.18 | sloopy | StarScream: lol |
| 09:15.27 | simonrvn | tab completion gone awry? :) |
| 09:15.54 | sloopy | simonrvn: no... |
| 09:21.51 | StarScream | ok, so what "version" of debian has X.org and KDE 3.2 in it by default ? |
| 09:21.59 | StarScream | and 2.6 kernel? |
| 09:30.02 | simonrvn | no such thing as a default kernel. and kde isn't default, none of them are. that's up to the user... but sid has 3.2.2, and sarge has 3.2.1 (i think) |
| 09:43.20 | StarScream | ah excelent :) |
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| 11:13.52 | hellish | hi |
| 11:13.54 | hellish | anyone awake? |
| 11:15.01 | hellish | I have a question. |
| 11:16.05 | capitol | shoot |
| 11:16.36 | hellish | I'm having some troubles with the debian-ppc install. |
| 11:16.53 | hellish | It says to make a 820 kb partition for yaboot |
| 11:16.56 | hellish | then I make it |
| 11:17.02 | hellish | and it says it's not there |
| 11:17.06 | hellish | wtg? |
| 11:18.27 | capitol | hmm... strange... I think you must create it at the start of the disk |
| 11:18.33 | hellish | oh |
| 11:18.43 | hellish | lemmie try that |
| 11:19.19 | hellish | My friend insists that he thinks he tried that and the installer's just fucked up :P |
| 11:19.27 | hellish | He's a gentoo lover. |
| 11:20.02 | capitol | well... what installer are you using? |
| 11:20.30 | capitol | try the one from the topic, http://penguinppc.org/~eb/files/XFS-debian-README.txt |
| 11:20.59 | hellish | He says he's using testing |
| 11:21.08 | capitol | I had some problems with the image from the main arcives |
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| 11:26.27 | hellish | I can't burn since there's nothing installed to my computer right now |
| 11:26.42 | hellish | I'm using a really old box with no burner right now |
| 11:27.54 | capitol | hard luck |
| 11:32.01 | hellish | damn |
| 11:33.37 | hellish | I don't understand why it doesn't see it... |
| 11:34.06 | hellish | goddamn this is messed up |
| 11:34.07 | hellish | I tried doing it at the beginning |
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| 11:42.11 | capitol | what version of yaboot? and what kind of computer? |
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