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| 00:16.23 | ShadowRage | simonrvn: edit the nvram how? |
| 00:19.30 | sloopy | ShadowRage: use a terminal on the serial port? or if you have the patches done in OF itself? |
| 00:19.33 | simonrvn | with nvsetenv. the install should have done that already. and if you rebooted to mac os on an oldworld box, it'll be zapped |
| 00:20.00 | simonrvn | so you have to reset it with System\ Disk or Boot\ Variables |
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| 00:29.43 | sloopy | simonrvn: meet my bot, terri |
| 00:32.54 | simonrvn | hi terri ;P |
| 00:33.27 | sloopy | simonrvn: terri is a pynfo bot... |
| 00:33.44 | sloopy | just got running couple hours ago... |
| 00:33.45 | simonrvn | oo neat |
| 00:34.31 | sloopy | all from source... including dependencies... twisted, crypy or something... |
| 00:35.09 | simonrvn | wow |
| 00:35.46 | sloopy | terri: google debian |
| 00:35.48 | terri | debian: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 00:36.02 | sloopy | terri: google macintosh |
| 00:36.04 | terri | macintosh: http://www.apple.com/ |
| 00:36.41 | simonrvn | heh |
| 00:36.45 | simonrvn | nice :) |
| 00:37.52 | simonrvn | well, the twiki is taking shape :) |
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| 00:45.50 | sloopy | twiki? the wiki for ppc linux? |
| 00:46.55 | simonrvn | yeh. starting as a place to drop patches and code sharing, but yeh, could turn it into a PPC thing ;) |
| 00:47.31 | sloopy | debian or linux specifc now? |
| 00:48.04 | simonrvn | either |
| 00:48.30 | sloopy | ahhh... hey i am looking for idlers for #MOL wanna join? |
| 00:48.47 | sloopy | i was even asked, to ask you to rbing ravenbird in there! :'D |
| 00:53.30 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:53.35 | simonrvn | alrght |
| 00:54.38 | sloopy | the 'bird is getting popular! :'D |
| 00:54.45 | simonrvn | heh |
| 00:54.52 | simonrvn | :) |
| 00:59.27 | simonrvn | sloopy: oh, wiki.kisikew.org |
| 01:02.49 | ShadowRage | 90 mhz ppc isnt to sluggish |
| 01:03.05 | ShadowRage | it goes nearly as fast as my sis' 233 |
| 01:03.14 | sloopy | ShadowRage: heh... depends on your definition of 'realtime' ;') |
| 01:03.31 | simonrvn | i bet it beats it in bogomips |
| 01:03.38 | ShadowRage | still isnt shabby |
| 01:03.44 | ShadowRage | compared to a 90 mhz x86 |
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| 01:03.58 | simonrvn | my 601/100 had better bogomips than a pi 133 |
| 01:04.59 | simonrvn | risc vs. cisc really mattered in those days |
| 01:05.36 | simonrvn | now it's more overall design for efficiency, power, heat, etc. |
| 01:05.48 | capitol | mm good old days =) |
| 01:06.14 | sloopy | then explain the 603? 603@200Mhz ~= 604@132Mhz... |
| 01:06.20 | simonrvn | ppc still beats x86 in that dept. IMO |
| 01:06.44 | simonrvn | 603 was a crap chip |
| 01:06.54 | simonrvn | yet g3 is based on it. go figure |
| 01:07.10 | sloopy | simonrvn: heh yea no shit... i have a 603 mac clone as my router... |
| 01:07.31 | sloopy | my bro in law has a 603@200Mhz as his main machine... i hate going over there when he has problems... |
| 01:07.39 | simonrvn | if i had a choice bet. a 603/200 and a 604e/150, i'd take the 604e |
| 01:07.45 | ShadowRage | sooo |
| 01:07.54 | simonrvn | stick a cache card in it, and it fucking flies |
| 01:07.55 | ShadowRage | do you think the apple iie will ever support linux ;P |
| 01:08.01 | simonrvn | yes |
| 01:08.06 | ShadowRage | it so could |
| 01:08.09 | ShadowRage | look at elks |
| 01:08.10 | simonrvn | 2.6.x, m68knommu |
| 01:08.17 | ShadowRage | and how simplified it is. |
| 01:08.18 | sloopy | choice of 603@200 and 604@132 i would take the 604... as a matter of fact i did... |
| 01:08.29 | simonrvn | yeh, i would too |
| 01:08.49 | ShadowRage | right now, elks supports a wide range of old x86 machines.. and is 76k compiled. |
| 01:08.50 | sloopy | IIgs has a linux like OS... called gno |
| 01:09.04 | simonrvn | drwxr-sr-x 6 simon src 98 2004-04-21 08:28 m68knommu/ |
| 01:09.12 | ShadowRage | simonrvn: what's that? |
| 01:09.15 | simonrvn | ls -l /usr/src/linux-2.6/arch |
| 01:09.35 | sloopy | former boss had a power computing powerbase 200, i had a 7600/132 my 7600 was visibly faster... |
| 01:09.53 | ShadowRage | simonrvn: wouldnt that still be a bit large for an apple IIe? |
| 01:10.15 | simonrvn | good question |
| 01:11.01 | ShadowRage | simonrvn: somthing like elks would be perfect |
| 01:11.08 | sloopy | put a ram card in the IIe... |
| 01:11.08 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 01:11.24 | ShadowRage | simonrvn: but stripped down to just support the basic apple iie hardware and a root filesystem |
| 01:11.39 | simonrvn | could pull it off, with some tweaking |
| 01:11.51 | sloopy | why not run lunix? |
| 01:12.01 | ShadowRage | lunix is c64 |
| 01:12.04 | sloopy | terri: google lunix |
| 01:12.05 | terri | lunix: http://lng.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:12.18 | simonrvn | @+scrape google for lunix |
| 01:12.34 | ravenbird | Google says "lunix" is at http://lng.sourceforge.net/ or http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=ISO-8859-1&q=related:lunix.nl/ or http://aspectgames.net/ochnl.asp?keywords=Lunix&t=r&chnl=1 or http://www.jle-light.com/uk/txt302.htm or http://lunixsys.com/ or http://linux.ascii24.com/linux/bookstore/column/2001/01/11/339968-000.html [62,400 results] |
| 01:12.35 | sloopy | ShadowRage: last time i looked it was partially ported to apple ii |
| 01:12.44 | ShadowRage | sloopy: ooh |
| 01:12.52 | ShadowRage | sloopy: but filesystem and stuff? |
| 01:12.54 | sloopy | simonrvn: the url terri gave for lunix is correct... |
| 01:13.03 | simonrvn | yeh :) |
| 01:13.05 | sloopy | ShadowRage: needs a volunteer... |
| 01:13.23 | simonrvn | wanted to see other hits :) |
| 01:13.29 | assassin | what's so cool about postfix |
| 01:13.31 | sloopy | simonrvn: ahhh... |
| 01:13.33 | ShadowRage | sloopy: damn |
| 01:13.55 | sloopy | ShadowRage: i actually got an atari 8bit emulator working the other day to take a look at it... |
| 01:13.58 | simonrvn | assassin: they're all good. i'd stay away from sendmail proper though |
| 01:14.21 | assassin | why so? |
| 01:14.29 | assassin | security? |
| 01:14.31 | ShadowRage | sloopy: hell, if I could get it running on my apple iie, that thing might have use yet. |
| 01:14.46 | ShadowRage | no networking on it though :/ |
| 01:15.10 | capitol | assassin: yes |
| 01:15.12 | simonrvn | assassin: yeh |
| 01:15.33 | assassin | alright |
| 01:15.36 | assassin | thnx |
| 01:15.38 | capitol | I like qmail... but there is no official debian package for it... |
| 01:16.10 | sloopy | ShadowRage: hmmm PPP through serial? |
| 01:16.34 | simonrvn | capitol: add non-free to sources.list, and get it from qmail-src |
| 01:16.56 | simonrvn | capitol: though i hear netqmail or something is better. /topic #qmail |
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| 01:17.18 | assassin | exim's the debian flav |
| 01:17.29 | simonrvn | i'm an exim4 man |
| 01:18.15 | assassin | I was asking because aparently apple switched out of sendmail to postfix |
| 01:18.18 | Wowzer | hello all...can the pm7200 install debian? What kind of performance should I expect if I use the gui? |
| 01:18.28 | simonrvn | assassin: oh they did? neat |
| 01:18.58 | sloopy | Wowzer: yes it can run... it wont be a speed demon tho... |
| 01:19.02 | assassin | yeah. so how bad is sendmail's security record? |
| 01:19.18 | simonrvn | not great |
| 01:19.32 | assassin | righty them ;D |
| 01:20.11 | simonrvn | check out CERT and look for sendmail exploits (which script kiddies still try to run on much later MTAs....) |
| 01:20.14 | Wowzer | okay...would it help with a g3 card? I've got several boxes at my disposal...including a 7300 w/ a G3 card. Currrently, it's running os9... |
| 01:20.24 | simonrvn | ..other than sendmail on top of that. sheesh |
| 01:20.37 | simonrvn | Wowzer: it'll run fine |
| 01:20.45 | Wowzer | really just looking for a decent gui to run openoffice and websurfing... |
| 01:20.59 | Wowzer | k...that's good to know. |
| 01:21.09 | assassin | simonrvn: rojer |
| 01:21.51 | Wowzer | simonrvn- hiya dude! The 6100 that you helped me setup about a year ago is still running strong...I think the last restart was about 4 months ago....rock steady. |
| 01:21.54 | sloopy | Wowzer: the 7300/G3 would make ALOT better machine... |
| 01:22.00 | simonrvn | Wowzer: nice |
| 01:22.07 | simonrvn | yeh it would |
| 01:22.17 | Wowzer | cool...i'll play around with that one then. |
| 01:22.41 | sloopy | me and simonrvn run 8500's that are tower versions of the 7300... |
| 01:22.51 | simonrvn | better OF access, better everything. 7200 could make decent routers though ;) |
| 01:23.08 | Wowzer | cc...I have an 8600 as well...but still using os9 on that one as well. |
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| 01:23.38 | assassin | pfft. buffer overflows. jesus that's like a cardinal rule |
| 01:23.42 | sloopy | Wowzer: sounds like you have a good canidates for a nice cluster :') |
| 01:23.42 | Wowzer | i figured that the 7200 is a good box to keep for spare parts...I also have a 7500... |
| 01:24.01 | simonrvn | yeh those bits could go on the 7300 or the 7500 |
| 01:24.32 | Wowzer | yuppers....the 7200 should be arriving soon...got it for the cost of shipping. |
| 01:24.32 | simonrvn | my $SO is running mac os on a slightly souped up 7500 |
| 01:24.36 | sloopy | yeah i just bought a 7500... should be getting here next week... it will be my debian machine... |
| 01:24.53 | Wowzer | G3 cards are cheaper than hell these days... |
| 01:25.04 | sloopy | 400Mhz G4 $119US |
| 01:25.07 | simonrvn | speaking of which.. |
| 01:25.41 | sloopy | simonrvn: G3 for you? |
| 01:25.48 | assassin | now I see why simonrvn, I'm looking at like at least 6 errors related to buffer overflows last month |
| 01:26.19 | Wowzer | what should I use to boot debian? yahboot? |
| 01:26.33 | simonrvn | sloopy: yeh |
| 01:26.36 | sloopy | bootx is easiest... |
| 01:26.43 | Wowzer | k |
| 01:26.47 | sloopy | simonrvn: did you hear back about it? |
| 01:26.50 | simonrvn | Wowzer: quik, or bootx (i'd go for quik) |
| 01:26.55 | simonrvn | sloopy: no :( |
| 01:27.45 | Wowzer | i think I use bootx for the 6100...amazing that it installed debian at all...but decent for a low-volume webserver, mysql server, mailserver, ftp server...no gui on the 6100 though... |
| 01:28.27 | sloopy | i have a umax clone i use for router... no X on it either... |
| 01:29.13 | Wowzer | oh yeah! I forgot to mention that I have about 3 powercenter's...unfortunately, 2 of them died. Can't figure out what their problem is...changed powersupply, cpu, ram, hd. I suspect the mb fried somewhere... |
| 01:29.39 | Wowzer | i'd love to resurect them, though. Wish I could figure out how/where to begin. |
| 01:29.39 | ShadowRage | sloopy: how would I burn the floppy image? |
| 01:29.46 | simonrvn | i like the powertower pro cases |
| 01:29.56 | simonrvn | they have a 9600 mobo |
| 01:30.20 | Wowzer | yeah...unfortunately, the powercenter's aren't that robust...but I can still fit 4 drives into those mimitowers... |
| 01:30.42 | simonrvn | 6 pci slots, tonnes of room for drives.. excellent small server case |
| 01:31.09 | ShadowRage | simonrvn: say, would a voodoo 3 videocard work in a powermac? |
| 01:31.12 | simonrvn | i have one running at a student org.. fucking rock solid |
| 01:31.30 | Wowzer | cool. |
| 01:31.38 | simonrvn | should |
| 01:32.00 | Wowzer | cool...are there drivers for the hardware acceleration for the Voodoo3? |
| 01:32.17 | ShadowRage | simonrvn: sweet |
| 01:32.27 | ShadowRage | simonrvn: at least macs have some cool perks to them at times |
| 01:32.31 | simonrvn | dunno. in kernel there are, but x drivers i don't know |
| 01:33.05 | ShadowRage | simonrvn: and in a normal PC, could you get a cpu card that could add a second cpu to a computer? |
| 01:33.19 | ShadowRage | like.. another x86 |
| 01:33.23 | simonrvn | dunno. ask sloopy |
| 01:33.29 | simonrvn | oh, have no idea |
| 01:33.29 | ShadowRage | sloopy: would you know? |
| 01:33.43 | sloopy | i am reading now... |
| 01:33.43 | Wowzer | yeah...the voodoo3dfx card is compatible, now that I think about it...I installed debian on a powercenter 150 with a 3dfx card. I recall doing some OF patches....afaik, the card is listed as tdfx... |
| 01:34.44 | sloopy | a voodoo3 will work fine in a mac... my 9600 uses a pc voodoo3 flashed for mac as its only video card... |
| 01:34.47 | capitol | ShadowRage: no dont think si |
| 01:35.01 | ShadowRage | capitol: it would kick ass if possible :/ |
| 01:35.07 | ShadowRage | er |
| 01:35.10 | ShadowRage | if there was |
| 01:35.18 | sloopy | DRI only works on the voodoo3 in 1024x768 |
| 01:35.29 | capitol | you have to have support from start on the mobo' |
| 01:35.38 | ShadowRage | I'd love to put the voodoo 3 into this computer |
| 01:35.43 | ShadowRage | buut, only 2 pci |
| 01:35.44 | ShadowRage | :/ |
| 01:36.14 | ShadowRage | one has the sound card, the other has the ethernet card |
| 01:36.18 | Wowzer | does the voodoo3 have acccelerated 3D in debian? if so, I may grab my old card and stick it into the 7500... |
| 01:36.28 | sloopy | on a pc if the mobo has only one cpu then it will only take one cpu... |
| 01:36.32 | Wowzer | your mb doens't have a builtin ethernet? |
| 01:36.53 | sloopy | yes there is accel video for tdfx |
| 01:37.01 | Wowzer | shadow- what sound card? the sound blaster one? |
| 01:37.10 | Wowzer | cool...gotta try it out then! |
| 01:37.54 | sloopy | rumor even has it you can put a pc ide controller card in a mac and use it in linux ;') |
| 01:38.01 | ShadowRage | sloopy: so you have to flash the card for it to run on a mac? |
| 01:38.14 | sloopy | ShadowRage: yes... google has the instructions... |
| 01:38.50 | sloopy | what kind of connectors does it have? |
| 01:39.50 | Wowzer | shadow- yes, there are apps for the mac to flash a pc voodoo3 to a mac rom...I may have it if you want. |
| 01:40.27 | ShadowRage | sloopy: has 2 things for ram, it connects to an isa slot, and has a floppy and a 40 pin ide set of pins |
| 01:40.36 | Wowzer | i have teh roms right here if you want...and I have the pc roms to flash back to your pc if you want as well.. |
| 01:40.52 | ShadowRage | *nods* |
| 01:41.01 | ShadowRage | Wowzer: hw big are they? |
| 01:42.00 | Wowzer | about a meg in total...I have 4 separate files...a mac beta 12 and beta 13 flashrom as well as a pc voodoo3 2000rom and 3000rom (depending on the card that you have). As I recall, the voodoo3 2000 is the card that I have... |
| 01:42.06 | sloopy | ShadowRage: maybe a cacheing drive controller... |
| 01:42.41 | Wowzer | want me to dcc to you? |
| 01:43.20 | ShadowRage | sloopy: all I know is it caused funky shit to happen when I installed it |
| 01:43.25 | ShadowRage | Wowzer: yes |
| 01:43.44 | ShadowRage | Wowzer: how do you think a voodoo3 will do on a 90 mhz 7200? |
| 01:44.09 | ShadowRage | --- DCC RECV connect attempt to Wowzer failed (err=No route to host). |
| 01:44.26 | Wowzer | hmm...maybe its my firewall? |
| 01:44.47 | Wowzer | i can send to you via email as well... |
| 01:44.53 | ShadowRage | shadowrage@acidchat.net |
| 01:45.21 | assassin | might wanna check if you've got +C on Wowzer |
| 01:45.37 | ShadowRage | assassin: how? |
| 01:45.58 | Wowzer | sending email now... |
| 01:46.00 | assassin | whois yourself |
| 01:46.03 | sloopy | have a pic of it? |
| 01:46.23 | assassin | check what modes ya got on' |
| 01:46.30 | Wowzer | sent...check in a few secs |
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| 01:47.01 | assassin | run... fishes |
| 01:47.08 | Firefishe | LOL |
| 01:47.21 | Firefishe | hiya bill, how goes? |
| 01:47.29 | ShadowRage | my client doesn't show modes in whois |
| 01:47.49 | assassin | alrighty. just chillin, trying to set up a mailserver |
| 01:47.49 | simonrvn | simonrvn(+eiw) |
| 01:48.06 | Firefishe | always nice to get mail ;) |
| 01:48.16 | Firefishe | I'm trying to get a belkin wireless card workin' on my g4 pb |
| 01:48.17 | ShadowRage | /mode myname did it |
| 01:48.18 | ShadowRage | --- +e |
| 01:48.37 | assassin | ah. no worries then. it's your firewall |
| 01:48.57 | assassin | or something ;P |
| 01:49.41 | Wowzer | i've had a lot of trouble being able to send mail...I haven't been able to figure out the smtp authentication...receiving mail is not a problem...and hints on where I can read for this authentication? |
| 01:50.36 | Firefishe | Can anyone tell me where I might find a howto on setting up a Belkin (orinoco_cs driver listed) 802.11 card on my g4 pb? |
| 01:53.57 | Wowzer | shadow- did you get the files?? |
| 01:54.27 | simonrvn | Firefishe: one in the topic maybe? |
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| 01:56.04 | ShadowRage | Wowzer: thanks for the images |
| 01:56.28 | Wowzer | ok...going to log then...enjoy... |
| 02:10.48 | Firefishe | simonrvn: sorry, I had to get up for a bit of domestic tomfoolery in the kitchen ;0) hee. |
| 02:11.01 | Firefishe | could you elaborate |
| 02:21.12 | simonrvn | you type /topic in your irc client |
| 02:24.36 | Firefishe | I see nothing in the topic that would help me with a pcmcia/wirless issue on a g4 pb |
| 02:26.11 | wasabi | G4 howto? :) |
| 02:26.41 | Firefishe | url? :) |
| 02:27.05 | wasabi | in the topic. |
| 02:27.10 | wasabi | last item |
| 02:27.37 | wasabi | i dont see any orinoco info in it though |
| 02:27.41 | wasabi | can't you just load the modules? |
| 02:27.46 | wasabi | shouldn't be anything to it |
| 02:29.12 | Firefishe | I don't know what to load or where to load it from |
| 02:29.35 | Firefishe | I did a cat /proc/modules and I don't see anything currently in use |
| 02:30.24 | wasabi | Is this a broadcom thing? |
| 02:30.29 | wasabi | .11g? |
| 02:30.44 | wasabi | or is it just a normal 11MB one |
| 02:31.19 | wasabi | you load modules by "modprobe" |
| 02:31.27 | wasabi | the module for orinoco is called... orinoco |
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| 02:40.35 | chrisa | hmm |
| 02:40.44 | chrisa | Guess I'll test this ibook g4 suspend patch |
| 03:21.22 | sloopy | mick_laptop: did you get my email for paypal? |
| 03:21.41 | mick_laptop | let me check |
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| 03:27.52 | mick_laptop | sloopy: nope |
| 03:28.10 | sloopy | ok email it again or msg it to you? |
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| 03:28.55 | mick_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
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