| 00:00.04 | StarScream | if you just use apt-get? |
| 00:00.09 | capitol | StarScream: I don't use it at all |
| 00:00.45 | StarScream | capitol, thats encouraging. i want to use debian but dselect just seems painful |
| 00:01.22 | kimo_sabe | StarScream: it seems that way, but it really isn't |
| 00:01.29 | capitol | simonrvn: ahh maybe you meant that you have to keep dselect and apt in sync if you want to use both? |
| 00:02.43 | StarScream | kimo_sabe, i tried to use it but i couldn't work out what i was supposed to do. I didn't read the docs though so its my fault..but still i think that an installer should be some what intuitive |
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| 00:03.28 | kimo_sabe | StarScream: + to add, - to remove, arrows to move up and down, where's the problem? |
| 00:03.35 | shadows | grreat |
| 00:03.49 | shadows | my color classic now is running a clock screensaver |
| 00:04.28 | kimo_sabe | shadows: awesome! You've just created the worlds hottest-running clock :) |
| 00:04.43 | capitol | haha |
| 00:04.56 | StarScream | kimo_sabe, ah...well that makes it easier..i was looking at all the upgrade crap at the top.. |
| 00:08.25 | StarScream | wtf...doing tasksel...why does a desktop with xfree and laptop computer require installing mysql? |
| 00:08.25 | StarScream | or bind |
| 00:08.40 | capitol | StarScream: it on drugs |
| 00:08.51 | StarScream | capitol, no shit |
| 00:09.15 | capitol | as I said... I don't like it so I don't use it... |
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| 00:10.19 | shadows | ahhahaha |
| 00:10.26 | shadows | "dos shell" after dark screen saver |
| 00:10.27 | shadows | classy |
| 00:11.22 | capitol | StarScream: maybe you will find aptitude a little better, but it requiers X |
| 00:11.29 | shadows | wha? |
| 00:11.35 | shadows | aptitude is console based, yo' |
| 00:11.44 | shadows | you're thinking of synaptic |
| 00:12.07 | StarScream | either way i am having trouble getting X working on this thing |
| 00:12.51 | StarScream | if i want to get kernel 2.6 do i just do apt-get install kernel-2.6 or what ever apt-cache search kernel returns for 2.6 |
| 00:14.46 | shadows | StarScream, you'd want the backports version of it |
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| 00:14.50 | shadows | for 2.6.5 |
| 00:14.56 | shadows | 2.6.3 isn't worth the bother |
| 00:15.35 | StarScream | shadows, backports? |
| 00:15.48 | shadows | www.backports.org |
| 00:15.48 | StarScream | i know not of what you speak of |
| 00:16.00 | shadows | i saw ppc kernels there |
| 00:16.34 | StarScream | so its not worth just getting 2.6.3 then using that kernel for 2.6.5? |
| 00:17.33 | StarScream | oh i am already running unstable anyways |
| 00:17.34 | StarScream | well testing rather |
| 00:18.10 | shadows | i mean that 2.6.3 is vulnerable |
| 00:18.20 | shadows | 2.6.4 has fucked up IPv6 and a few other glitches |
| 00:18.24 | shadows | 2.6.5 is okay |
| 00:20.33 | StarScream | k |
| 00:24.01 | StarScream | so if i did want to just get 2.6.3 and compile 2.6.5 my self would i get it through apt? |
| 00:24.19 | SG1 | hmm |
| 00:24.32 | SG1 | just use kernel.org |
| 00:24.33 | SG1 | :) |
| 00:24.40 | SG1 | then use make-kpkg |
| 00:24.58 | shadows | and wait 6 days for my color classic to compile it |
| 00:25.00 | StarScream | SG1, yeh but i am on PPC, and default kernels from kernel.org aren't geared to support my laptop |
| 00:25.26 | SG1 | StarScream, Im on a ppc laptop right now |
| 00:25.27 | StarScream | i want debians PPC .config |
| 00:25.34 | capitol | apt-cache search kernel |grep 2.6.5 |
| 00:25.38 | SG1 | StarScream, what laptop? |
| 00:25.49 | StarScream | SG1, ib00k g3 800 |
| 00:25.56 | StarScream | book rather |
| 00:26.07 | SG1 | Im on a ibook g4 933 |
| 00:26.26 | SG1 | and just so you know... kernel.org's kernels work fine for ppc |
| 00:26.40 | SG1 | and what do you mean geared? |
| 00:26.45 | StarScream | yeh i have one of those fucked ati mobility radeons...only distro i have working with X is yellowdog |
| 00:26.57 | StarScream | there is some kernel option |
| 00:26.59 | StarScream | that i need |
| 00:27.05 | StarScream | to make my graphics worko |
| 00:27.06 | SG1 | benh's kernel tree has been merged with kernel.org |
| 00:27.10 | SG1 | hmm |
| 00:27.15 | SG1 | the old ati driver? |
| 00:27.19 | SG1 | lol i dunno |
| 00:27.39 | StarScream | SG1, i have tried debian before but i didn't have time to mess with it |
| 00:27.57 | StarScream | now i have a bit of time so i want to get it running |
| 00:28.07 | StarScream | i dont like yellowdog that much but it works |
| 00:29.00 | SG1 | try the stock kernel |
| 00:29.21 | capitol | StarScream: i used the howto from http://seb.france.free.fr/linux/ibookG4/iBookG4-howto.html it's for an g4 but quite good |
| 00:29.38 | capitol | and I have an ibook g4 |
| 00:29.54 | StarScream | SG1, well i used the stock debian kernel last time |
| 00:30.03 | StarScream | capitol, i will give it a go |
| 00:30.29 | StarScream | capitol, does yours use the same graphics chipset as mine...the 7500? |
| 00:30.46 | capitol | StarScream: no I have an 9200 |
| 00:31.11 | StarScream | capitol, yeh its the 7500 thats the problem..my friends works fine with the 9200 |
| 00:31.29 | capitol | ahh I see... sorry that I can't help... |
| 00:32.12 | StarScream | capitol, i appreciate the help though :) |
| 00:32.16 | StarScream | i know it can be done |
| 00:32.28 | StarScream | i have seen a guy with the same laptop running debian |
| 00:32.34 | StarScream | i got yellow dog to work on it |
| 00:32.39 | StarScream | so i know its possible |
| 00:33.30 | capitol | It might be that google will be your friend... |
| 00:43.16 | StarScream | capitol, yeh google doesn't like me...or at least it didn't last time i tried this...if worst comes to worst i'll just enable everything remotely to do with graphics/mb in the kernel |
| 00:43.24 | StarScream | that should work :) |
| 00:43.37 | capitol | fuck... I don't like xfs... I ran out of batteries when I was reading a book, and now I have an empty file with the size of 1.7MB |
| 00:44.37 | StarScream | hahaha |
| 00:44.47 | StarScream | yeh i use reiser |
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| 01:14.35 | Q-FUNK | <q-funk@omena:/var/cache/apt/archives>$ more /etc/X11/Xsession.d/56left_mouse |
| 01:14.35 | Q-FUNK | xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1" & |
| 01:14.50 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: I have thta but X seems to ignore it |
| 01:16.04 | Q-FUNK | LarstiQ: same comment |
| 01:17.22 | shadows | ugh |
| 01:17.24 | Q-FUNK | any idea? |
| 01:18.04 | SG1 | Q-FUNK, does it work manually? |
| 01:19.23 | Q-FUNK | SG1: let's see. afaik xmodmap cannot be used anymore since xfree 4.3.0 |
| 01:19.58 | SG1 | huh.. |
| 01:21.11 | SG1 | it says u need 5 buttons not 3 |
| 01:21.58 | shadows | wheee |
| 01:22.11 | shadows | OS 7.5 on my color classic and an lc575 board |
| 01:22.13 | shadows | hot diggity |
| 01:22.16 | shadows | soon, linux |
| 01:22.26 | SG1 | lee@lbook:~$ xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1 4 5" |
| 01:22.26 | SG1 | lee@lbook:~$ |
| 01:22.44 | SG1 | it works fine if you give it 5 buttons |
| 01:23.34 | SG1 | Q-FUNK, try it with 5 buttons |
| 01:23.40 | Wowzer | can I use yahboot to boot debian off of a firewire drive? |
| 01:24.09 | Wowzer | my guess would be no...but figured it's worth asking. |
| 01:24.33 | shadows | there's a... |
| 01:24.34 | shadows | er |
| 01:24.35 | shadows | i don't know |
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| 01:34.52 | Q-FUNK | SG1: the problem is, I have a 3-button (well, 2 button and 1 roller) mouse. now, with those extra 4 and 5, buttons are a serious mess. |
| 01:34.54 | Patrick` | yayy! assassins! |
| 01:35.17 | SG1 | Q-FUNK, ... |
| 01:35.26 | SG1 | 4 5 are already there |
| 01:35.42 | SG1 | what happens when u xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1 4 5" |
| 01:35.47 | SG1 | what does it do? |
| 01:37.28 | Q-FUNK | SG1: the order is not the reverse of 1 2 3 |
| 01:39.50 | SG1 | huh |
| 01:39.59 | SG1 | I dunno Im not left-handed |
| 01:40.10 | SG1 | 2 is middle click |
| 01:40.20 | SG1 | 1 and 3 are left and right |
| 01:40.31 | SG1 | 4 and 5 are special |
| 01:40.52 | Q-FUNK | 4 and 5 seem to mess something |
| 01:41.06 | SG1 | hmm |
| 01:41.25 | SG1 | what does it do? |
| 01:42.34 | Q-FUNK | in icewm, normal behavior on desktop is: 1 (nothing), 2 (window list), 3 (apps menu) -- no idea about 4 and 5 |
| 01:43.51 | SG1 | ya |
| 01:43.56 | SG1 | so why do they matter |
| 01:44.25 | SG1 | ur just trying to switch the left and right correct? |
| 01:46.02 | Q-FUNK | yup |
| 01:47.36 | SG1 | so |
| 01:47.46 | SG1 | .... |
| 01:48.06 | SG1 | xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1 4 5" |
| 01:48.09 | SG1 | do that |
| 01:48.17 | SG1 | that should work? |
| 01:48.22 | SG1 | it works for me? |
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| 02:18.57 | Q-FUNK | SG1: seems to work now |
| 02:19.06 | Q-FUNK | brb... rebooting just to be sure |
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| 03:11.41 | StarScream | hmm what ncurses thing to i need to apt-get to use make menuconfig |
| 03:11.47 | StarScream | i have tried ncurses-base |
| 03:11.52 | StarScream | and ncurses-bin |
| 03:11.59 | StarScream | and libncurses5 |
| 03:12.09 | StarScream | but it still doesn't want to work |
| 03:13.51 | StarScream | hmm hang on tasksel didn't finish properly |
| 03:14.01 | StarScream | i have no /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 03:18.58 | chrisa | The correct answer would be: apt-cache search curses dev |
| 03:21.03 | StarScream | k thanks |
| 03:22.26 | StarScream | i have downloaded a whole bunch of packages with tasksel and it failed... |
| 03:22.39 | StarScream | but they are all there in /var/cache/apt |
| 03:22.52 | StarScream | but if i do dselect then it tries to download em all again.. |
| 03:22.56 | StarScream | even though they are there |
| 03:23.23 | chrisa | These questions would be better served in #debian since they aren't arch specific |
| 03:25.11 | Patrick` | libncurses5-dev |
| 03:25.18 | Patrick` | this is for menuconfig? |
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| 03:32.44 | Patrick` | ya think it's a script? |
| 03:32.50 | StarScream | yeh |
| 03:33.00 | Patrick` | hmm |
| 03:33.02 | StarScream | its ok , i needed the development stuff |
| 03:33.03 | Patrick` | really? |
| 03:33.18 | StarScream | yeh needed ncurses-dev |
| 03:33.29 | Patrick` | that's the one |
| 03:33.41 | Patrick` | I always end up installing them all to get ncurses working |
| 03:33.51 | Patrick` | holy hell |
| 03:33.58 | Patrick` | apt-get dist-upgrade's been going for 6 hours |
| 03:34.03 | Patrick` | on a minimal base install |
| 03:34.08 | StarScream | yeh my stupid tasksel didn't finish, so half my shit isn't configured |
| 03:34.12 | StarScream | hehe |
| 03:34.15 | StarScream | thats alot of updates |
| 03:34.21 | Patrick` | not a lot ... |
| 03:34.22 | StarScream | you on a 56k line? |
| 03:34.27 | Patrick` | Pfft, 100Mbit |
| 03:34.31 | Patrick` | the point is it's slow. |
| 03:34.52 | Patrick` | only 10Mbit to the debian repository because I have cheapass netgear for all but 2 of my computers |
| 03:35.00 | shadows | i wonder how i would split a file using Mac System 7.5 ? |
| 03:35.11 | Patrick` | give up, install debian |
| 03:35.13 | Patrick` | I did :D |
| 03:35.23 | shadows | yeah but i need to hack some stuff to make it work |
| 03:35.26 | shadows | it's an old world mac |
| 03:35.33 | Patrick` | ditto :D |
| 03:35.44 | shadows | one of the things i need to hack is a system 7.6 installation cdrom |
| 03:35.51 | Patrick` | boot floppies, then some ugly hacks with quik |
| 03:35.57 | shadows | to do that, i need to copy System file to my *nix box |
| 03:36.02 | shadows | huh |
| 03:36.03 | shadows | quik!~? |
| 03:36.11 | shadows | this is an '040 mac, sorry |
| 03:36.12 | shadows | heh |
| 03:36.14 | Patrick` | eek |
| 03:36.16 | shadows | i forgot what chan iw as in |
| 03:36.31 | shadows | s/w a/ wa/ |
| 03:37.10 | Patrick` | heh, spacing errors are bliss compared to my home channel |
| 03:37.33 | Patrick` | people use teh and knwo, not ironically, but beacause they type like they have parkinsons |
| 03:37.57 | shadows | ROFLMAO LOLZ OMG |
| 03:38.15 | shadows | so yeah |
| 03:38.21 | shadows | what do i use to split/rejoin files |
| 03:38.32 | shadows | DiskCopy maybe? |
| 03:40.02 | shadows | ooh StuffIt lite |
| 03:40.55 | Patrick` | ok, there are about 20 2.4.25 kernel images I could possibly install |
| 03:41.00 | Patrick` | all various variants |
| 03:41.09 | Patrick` | and all totally useless due to using yaboot. |
| 03:41.25 | StarScream | freaking |
| 03:41.29 | StarScream | got no idea why |
| 03:41.47 | StarScream | yellow dog is the only distro that will display graphical X |
| 03:41.56 | StarScream | or any kind of graphics other than fb |
| 03:42.05 | StarScream | my screen just goes blank |
| 03:42.21 | SG1 | StarScream, you got the lgo file? |
| 03:42.28 | StarScream | lgo? |
| 03:42.34 | SG1 | log* |
| 03:42.41 | SG1 | lol :) typo |
| 03:42.58 | StarScream | SG1, nah my whole screen everything is blank...gotta ssh in |
| 03:43.01 | StarScream | :) |
| 03:43.08 | StarScream | from memory X actually loads fine |
| 03:43.14 | Patrick` | ... screen? |
| 03:43.14 | StarScream | i.e nothing in the log |
| 03:43.22 | Patrick` | what is this mysterious object? |
| 03:43.23 | StarScream | LCD ibook screen |
| 03:43.24 | shadows | StarScream, probably an input device |
| 03:43.35 | Patrick` | I suppose my laptop has one as a way of displaying putty sessions |
| 03:43.45 | StarScream | shadows, nah X is actually loaded... |
| 03:43.45 | Patrick` | <-- joking |
| 03:43.53 | shadows | oh |
| 03:43.55 | StarScream | it just doesn't display anything :) |
| 03:44.01 | StarScream | yeh its annoying |
| 03:44.02 | SG1 | StarScream, ssh is you friend :) |
| 03:44.21 | shadows | hmm |
| 03:44.29 | StarScream | SG1, yep, cept the network is DHCP so i am nmapping atm |
| 03:44.35 | StarScream | gotta find my IP =) |
| 03:44.40 | SG1 | haha |
| 03:44.43 | Patrick` | hehe |
| 03:44.47 | SG1 | ping 192.168.0.225 |
| 03:44.54 | Patrick` | 255 even |
| 03:44.58 | SG1 | lol |
| 03:45.03 | SG1 | no 225 |
| 03:45.05 | shadows | StarScream, you could just ping all the IPs for a subnet, and then do arp |
| 03:45.05 | SG1 | 255 |
| 03:45.11 | Patrick` | ping -f 255.255.255.255 gets me into trouble for some reason |
| 03:45.14 | shadows | arp would show all the ones that resolve to hwaddrs |
| 03:45.23 | SG1 | tcpdump |
| 03:45.30 | SG1 | but the simplist is just to |
| 03:45.38 | SG1 | ping 192.168.0.255 |
| 03:45.48 | SG1 | or whatever your broadcast is :) |
| 03:45.59 | StarScream | SG1, from my machine or my laptop? |
| 03:46.08 | SG1 | your machine |
| 03:46.24 | Patrick` | anywhere on that subnet |
| 03:46.24 | Patrick` | we have broadcast for a reason :) |
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| 03:46.37 | SG1 | the one your nmaping from |
| 03:46.37 | SG1 | just type ping 192.168.0.255 |
| 03:46.41 | Patrick` | incidentally, can bcast be an arbitrary IP and does it have to exist to make stuff work? |
| 03:47.02 | StarScream | bah debian is secure... |
| 03:47.09 | StarScream | wont let me log in as root from ssh :) |
| 03:47.10 | SG1 | :) |
| 03:47.12 | StarScream | gotta reboot |
| 03:47.15 | SG1 | nah |
| 03:47.22 | SG1 | its called log in a user |
| 03:47.23 | SG1 | su |
| 03:47.26 | SG1 | :-P |
| 03:47.40 | StarScream | yeh i know |
| 03:47.47 | StarScream | i just hadn't set up lusers yet :P |
| 03:48.02 | StarScream | was trying to get X to work first |
| 03:48.03 | SG1 | you can enable root login in /etc/ssh/sshd_config if you wanna :-P |
| 03:48.26 | StarScream | yeh i can..but its easier to reboot and add a user to the machine |
| 03:48.30 | StarScream | i just didn't wanna reboot |
| 03:48.35 | shadows | ohh |
| 03:48.36 | StarScream | =) |
| 03:48.40 | Q-FUNK | re |
| 03:48.41 | shadows | no users on the machine |
| 03:48.56 | StarScream | heh |
| 03:49.08 | StarScream | so who wants to help me get X working :) ? |
| 03:49.18 | StarScream | well |
| 03:49.21 | Rotund | StarScream, what computer? |
| 03:49.24 | StarScream | working and displaying stuff |
| 03:49.31 | StarScream | ibook g3 800 |
| 03:49.32 | Q-FUNK | SG1: well, it finally works for ordinary window managers (at lease icewm), but Gnome insists on playing smart ass and ignores that xmodmap receipe |
| 03:49.37 | Rotund | I'll help you get it working (no accelerated gl though) |
| 03:49.45 | StarScream | Rotund, thats fine |
| 03:49.50 | StarScream | any display would be good |
| 03:49.53 | Rotund | StarScream: I have the 900 =) |
| 03:49.57 | StarScream | i can mess with it from there |
| 03:49.59 | StarScream | ahh |
| 03:50.04 | StarScream | yours the 7500 too? |
| 03:50.09 | Rotund | yup |
| 03:50.17 | Rotund | Though I'm just using fbdev |
| 03:50.46 | Rotund | you got pmud, cpufreqd, and powerpc-tools apt-get'ed yet? |
| 03:51.19 | Rotund | okay, do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:51.25 | StarScream | k |
| 03:51.26 | StarScream | hang on |
| 03:52.05 | Rotund | choose CRT, not LCD (otherwise I could only go to 800x600) |
| 03:52.11 | StarScream | ah |
| 03:52.12 | StarScream | k |
| 03:52.17 | Rotund | you have 1024x768@75 |
| 03:52.20 | StarScream | use fbdev? |
| 03:52.22 | Rotund | yup |
| 03:52.30 | Rotund | That was the only problems I've had |
| 03:52.37 | StarScream | so not the ATI option then? |
| 03:52.45 | Rotund | nope. didn't work for me |
| 03:52.51 | Rotund | always hard locks =) |
| 03:53.41 | StarScream | yeh same :) |
| 03:53.50 | Rotund | you tried it too? |
| 03:54.09 | Rotund | There's a "radeon" driver that's supposed to work, but THAT hard locked for me too |
| 03:54.27 | StarScream | yeh all my other configs bar yellow dogs hardlocked |
| 03:55.02 | Rotund | I haven't tried YDL yet |
| 03:55.16 | shadows | '040 in a color classic feels snappy |
| 03:55.19 | shadows | i'm so pleased |
| 03:55.45 | shadows | how to print using appletalk printer port? |
| 03:55.48 | SG1 | Q-FUNK, gnome has its own thing I think |
| 03:55.50 | StarScream | Rotund, ok that time it worked |
| 03:55.53 | StarScream | sort of |
| 03:55.58 | Rotund | sort of? |
| 03:56.04 | StarScream | said failed to initialize core devices |
| 03:56.09 | StarScream | also i have no startx command |
| 03:56.24 | StarScream | had to manually go to /usr/X11R6/bin/X |
| 03:56.37 | shadows | StarScream, you're missing some core X stuff |
| 03:56.40 | Rotund | sounds like you don't have all the xserver stuff |
| 03:56.44 | shadows | you need x-window-system-core |
| 03:56.47 | shadows | yadda yadda |
| 03:56.52 | shadows | apt-get install aptitude |
| 03:56.57 | shadows | use aptitude to find it all |
| 03:57.02 | SG1 | Q-FUNK, gnome menu->Desktop Prefs-> mouse then click left hand ... :) |
| 03:57.08 | Rotund | I used the task under aptitude and let it take care of it |
| 03:57.20 | StarScream | k |
| 03:57.20 | Q-FUNK | SG1: for things like this, I really _hate_ gnoe and kde; they both try to reinvent the wheel and ignore global X settings for _everything_. |
| 03:57.25 | StarScream | will try that |
| 03:57.35 | shadows | aptitude rocks |
| 03:57.40 | StarScream | yeh tasksel died |
| 03:57.46 | StarScream | it downloaded stuff |
| 03:57.53 | SG1 | Q-FUNK, that they do :) gnome is getting better about such things Im not so sure kde is :) |
| 03:57.55 | StarScream | but i didn't have /etc/ld.so.conf etc |
| 03:58.05 | Q-FUNK | SG1: at the risk of repeating myself, I need this to be set _globally_. _everyone_ in this house wants their mouse left-handed. |
| 03:58.16 | SG1 | Q-FUNK, In gnome 2.6 xmodmap works |
| 03:58.21 | shadows | Q-FUNK, hmm. |
| 03:58.29 | shadows | yeah they fixed it for gnome 2.6 |
| 03:58.50 | SG1 | I actually think gnome 2.6 is quite decent |
| 03:58.55 | Q-FUNK | shadows: so it doesn't try to bypass xkb and xmodmap anymore? |
| 03:59.01 | shadows | right |
| 03:59.16 | shadows | Gnome 2.6's "computer" gets a bit weary on me |
| 03:59.23 | shadows | i just disable the whole fucking desktop |
| 03:59.28 | SG1 | As I said gnome is getting better? |
| 03:59.44 | SG1 | shadows, you hate the desktop! |
| 03:59.47 | SG1 | :) |
| 03:59.47 | shadows | yes i do |
| 03:59.52 | shadows | workspaces forever |
| 03:59.58 | SG1 | to windows like? |
| 04:00.01 | Q-FUNK | that's a good thing. i mean, dammit, i just barely got switchable keyboards working on xfree86 4.3.0. the last thing i need is gnome's keyboard applet or gswitchit messing it all. |
| 04:00.02 | shadows | i run 3ddeskd, openbox3... |
| 04:00.17 | SG1 | heh |
| 04:00.22 | shadows | i hate, HATE HATE that iconifying a window does not iconify it to the desktop |
| 04:00.27 | shadows | windowmaker is the ultimate |
| 04:00.29 | shadows | but it was too buggy for me |
| 04:00.33 | shadows | i had to move elsewhere |
| 04:00.58 | SG1 | I run pekwm,fluxbox,openbox,blackbox,and sometime gnome |
| 04:01.07 | shadows | middle mouse wheel workspace change is a necessity |
| 04:01.15 | SG1 | I like the boxs and pekwm |
| 04:01.18 | shadows | metacity is kind of ... ew. |
| 04:01.24 | SG1 | heh |
| 04:01.27 | Q-FUNK | then again, it really pisses me off that gpm is not smart enough to pass the -B options to gpmdata. the real way to setup mice on linux should be thru gpm, which them passes its config to x. |
| 04:01.29 | SG1 | umm actually |
| 04:01.44 | SG1 | if you mess with gconf you can make metacity decent |
| 04:01.57 | shadows | yeah |
| 04:02.04 | shadows | but then you're making it only decent |
| 04:02.09 | SG1 | haha |
| 04:02.11 | shadows | and doing a lot of work to get it there |
| 04:02.18 | SG1 | nah not that much |
| 04:02.23 | Q-FUNK | SG1: any way to make gaim and galeon not steal focus and not top themselves? |
| 04:02.25 | SG1 | 2 minutes |
| 04:02.26 | shadows | which is kind of like ,,,... Windows, anyone? |
| 04:02.36 | SG1 | lol |
| 04:02.51 | SG1 | Q-FUNK, I dont have that problem.... |
| 04:02.58 | SG1 | not sure what you mean |
| 04:03.14 | Q-FUNK | gaim has kinda mellowed down, but galeon is really misbehaved. |
| 04:03.20 | shadows | it's probably a WM setting related to dialogs |
| 04:03.28 | shadows | gaim and galeon make heavy use of client dialogs |
| 04:03.32 | SG1 | haha I use epiphany now |
| 04:03.38 | shadows | firefox here |
| 04:03.45 | shadows | god it has some ugly bugs |
| 04:03.53 | SG1 | well I use firefox 80% time |
| 04:03.57 | SG1 | firefox does? |
| 04:03.59 | Q-FUNK | with galeon, i don't even need dialogs. just having a few tabs open is enough to steal focus for every tab jit tries to load |
| 04:04.16 | SG1 | Q-FUNK, what WM? gnome? |
| 04:04.16 | shadows | firefox is pretty ugly when it comes to IPv6 URL support |
| 04:04.25 | SG1 | shadows, I dont use ipv6 :) |
| 04:04.27 | shadows | also, firefox has some quirks with DNS that are really sad |
| 04:04.27 | Q-FUNK | so far, i don't like epiphany or firefox. |
| 04:04.42 | SG1 | hmm |
| 04:04.46 | SG1 | what dns quirks? |
| 04:04.50 | shadows | i find myself religiously using find-as-you-type |
| 04:04.55 | Patrick` | aak |
| 04:05.01 | SG1 | ? |
| 04:05.02 | Patrick` | shadows: I love find-as-you-type |
| 04:05.03 | Q-FUNK | SG1: metacity under gnome |
| 04:05.15 | Patrick` | aak, this hard drive is maxing out at 3 MB/sec |
| 04:05.21 | shadows | Patrick`, i occasionally start doing it in term windows with links |
| 04:05.26 | shadows | and end up overwriting stuff |
| 04:05.27 | shadows | whoops |
| 04:05.47 | Patrick` | hehe |
| 04:05.59 | SG1 | Q-FUNK, no clue ... Gaim has a preference |
| 04:06.07 | SG1 | in preferences |
| 04:06.09 | SG1 | chats |
| 04:06.14 | SG1 | raise window on events |
| 04:06.20 | Patrick` | hmm, ext2 or ext3 for root partition w/ quik ... istr quik didn't like ext3 |
| 04:06.25 | SG1 | same in im's |
| 04:06.30 | shadows | SG1, sometimes, there'll be a URL that works from links and mozilla, but firefox just doesn't resolve |
| 04:06.54 | SG1 | shadows, never had that :) thats a new one |
| 04:07.05 | shadows | 0.8 |
| 04:07.16 | SG1 | Now my isp's nameserver has died but it effected everyhting |
| 04:07.19 | shadows | i'm going to wait for the next release, then figure out if it's a boog or not |
| 04:07.38 | SG1 | heh |
| 04:09.35 | Q-FUNK | SG1: gaim alerts still pop out of nowhere while i'm typing in another app. |
| 04:10.48 | Q-FUNK | which i really don't get. i mean, absolutely _nothing_ is critical about gaim's messages. there's really no need to pop up all that crap every time the connection is lost or whatnot. |
| 04:11.04 | shadows | Q-FUNK, which version |
| 04:11.11 | Q-FUNK | 0.77 right now |
| 04:11.18 | shadows | eh |
| 04:11.22 | shadows | there's a patch for that |
| 04:11.34 | shadows | it's not going to be committed 'cause it's not critical to fix it |
| 04:11.54 | shadows | after the split is finished, other lesser crap will be polished |
| 04:12.07 | Q-FUNK | well geez... not fixing it is causing ata loss here whne the stupid alerts pop up and steal focus from some other app |
| 04:12.16 | SG1 | interesting |
| 04:12.20 | SG1 | 0.76-cvs |
| 04:12.28 | SG1 | does not have that problem |
| 04:12.34 | SG1 | wonder why |
| 04:13.32 | Q-FUNK | there's a regression loss between 0.76 and 0.77: at least one obvious loss is that msn complains once again about invalid users, while 0.76 had finally fixed that |
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| 04:13.56 | SG1 | hmm |
| 04:14.07 | SG1 | hi _spOOn_ |
| 04:14.18 | _spOOn_ | hey SG1: i need your help for a sec |
| 04:14.27 | SG1 | with what? |
| 04:14.27 | _spOOn_ | hehe |
| 04:14.34 | _spOOn_ | got xwindows working |
| 04:14.39 | SG1 | yay! |
| 04:14.42 | _spOOn_ | but i think my horz rate is wrong |
| 04:14.46 | Q-FUNK | shadows: what does the patch do? send everything to a status window instead of constantly alerting you wiht pop-ups or?? |
| 04:14.50 | _spOOn_ | cos i get lines all over my screen |
| 04:15.03 | SG1 | hmm |
| 04:15.05 | _spOOn_ | can still see it, but it looks yucky |
| 04:15.12 | shadows | Q-FUNK, look in the gaim tracker at gaim.sf.net |
| 04:15.12 | SG1 | what type of moniter? |
| 04:15.18 | Q-FUNK | _spOOn_: try "hwinfo" and see what line modes it recommends. |
| 04:15.21 | _spOOn_ | ibook screen |
| 04:15.24 | SG1 | wait did you have an ibook g4 |
| 04:15.26 | SG1 | ahh |
| 04:15.27 | SG1 | yes |
| 04:15.29 | SG1 | ok |
| 04:15.41 | _spOOn_ | have you still got your config file uploaded |
| 04:15.42 | _spOOn_ | ? |
| 04:15.46 | SG1 | so you have X working with the radeon driver |
| 04:15.48 | SG1 | umm |
| 04:15.53 | SG1 | hrmm one sec |
| 04:15.54 | _spOOn_ | yup |
| 04:16.00 | SG1 | I got my main web server back up |
| 04:16.09 | _spOOn_ | ]coolies |
| 04:16.10 | SG1 | never copied that temporary stuff |
| 04:16.14 | SG1 | one sec |
| 04:16.28 | _spOOn_ | Q-FUNK: am trying now :P |
| 04:17.22 | Q-FUNK | shadows: sorry what tracker? |
| 04:17.33 | shadows | go find out dude |
| 04:17.36 | shadows | bug tracker |
| 04:17.53 | _spOOn_ | Q-FUNK: dont have hwinfo |
| 04:18.16 | _spOOn_ | none on site either |
| 04:18.26 | _spOOn_ | stupid apple |
| 04:18.40 | SG1 | in 3 minutes |
| 04:18.49 | SG1 | Ill have that stuff up |
| 04:20.54 | SG1 | _spOOn_, you have dsl yet? or you still on dial-up? |
| 04:21.24 | _spOOn_ | dialup |
| 04:21.28 | _spOOn_ | cant get it here |
| 04:22.02 | Q-FUNK | ok, I'll go to bed here. |
| 04:22.21 | Q-FUNK | thanks for the help with the mouse thing. |
| 04:22.23 | Q-FUNK | cya! |
| 04:23.02 | shadows | what could i use to make a binary diff of 2 files? |
| 04:23.14 | shadows | i want to find out where the header starts |
| 04:23.18 | shadows | there's file A and file B |
| 04:23.24 | shadows | file B is header + file A |
| 04:23.35 | shadows | i need to figure out how many bytes to chop off |
| 04:25.58 | SG1 | http://sg1net.com/ibook/index.php |
| 04:31.11 | _spOOn_ | dammit didnt help |
| 04:31.37 | SG1 | so the screen is still messed up? |
| 04:31.57 | _spOOn_ | lol dont worry about it, go to bed silly billy |
| 04:31.58 | SG1 | it might not be the sync rates |
| 04:32.02 | _spOOn_ | but yeah tis |
| 04:32.10 | SG1 | it probably is not actually |
| 04:32.19 | SG1 | lsmod really quick |
| 04:32.26 | SG1 | is radeon loaded? |
| 04:32.37 | _spOOn_ | 1 sec had to reboot |
| 04:32.42 | _spOOn_ | just booting now |
| 04:32.47 | _spOOn_ | faster faster dammit |
| 04:33.25 | _spOOn_ | nm your old kernel just fucked my yaboot conf, ill have to fix |
| 04:33.35 | _spOOn_ | goto bed, will talk later :P |
| 04:33.56 | SG1 | haha |
| 04:34.01 | SG1 | how did that happen |
| 04:34.34 | _spOOn_ | because it decided it would use your kernel (which doesnt work) instead of mine,, and i forgot to add failsafe to yaboot.conf |
| 04:34.36 | _spOOn_ | :P |
| 04:34.47 | _spOOn_ | now where did i put that rescue disk..... |
| 04:36.21 | SG1 | haha |
| 04:36.33 | SG1 | the currupted dl of my kernel :) |
| 04:36.42 | _spOOn_ | yeah :) |
| 04:37.13 | SG1 | hmm rescue disks yum :) I did that yesterday on a i386 machine |
| 04:37.37 | shadows | yep |
| 04:37.38 | _spOOn_ | nah tis a piece of piss |
| 04:38.08 | _spOOn_ | specially on an i386 (something i now about yay pc:) |
| 04:38.44 | SG1 | haha |
| 04:39.15 | SG1 | just go grab the (dont flame me) gentoo live-cd |
| 04:39.31 | SG1 | We need a debian/ppc live-cd |
| 04:40.09 | _spOOn_ | fuck |
| 04:40.19 | _spOOn_ | your kernel replaced my old one |
| 04:40.28 | _spOOn_ | noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 04:40.33 | SG1 | lol |
| 04:40.45 | _spOOn_ | all that updating for nothing |
| 04:40.50 | SG1 | umm |
| 04:40.50 | SG1 | no |
| 04:41.00 | SG1 | its save-able |
| 04:41.15 | _spOOn_ | how? |
| 04:41.21 | SG1 | plus I dun think it overwrote your old one? |
| 04:41.25 | SG1 | cd /boot |
| 04:41.26 | SG1 | ls |
| 04:41.28 | _spOOn_ | i did |
| 04:41.32 | SG1 | whats there? |
| 04:41.47 | _spOOn_ | ahhh |
| 04:41.52 | SG1 | lol |
| 04:42.10 | _spOOn_ | HA |
| 04:42.28 | SG1 | haha |
| 04:42.45 | SG1 | ok well after you rescue your system |
| 04:43.02 | SG1 | make sure ur using the radeonfb :) |
| 04:43.15 | _spOOn_ | okies |
| 04:43.16 | SG1 | not openfirmware or something wierd |
| 04:43.20 | _spOOn_ | lsmod? |
| 04:43.23 | SG1 | ya |
| 04:43.34 | SG1 | well that is if its build as m |
| 04:43.43 | SG1 | otherwise |
| 04:43.51 | SG1 | look at the kernel logs |
| 04:43.58 | SG1 | well Im outa here :) |
| 04:44.11 | _spOOn_ | cheers again mate |
| 04:44.12 | SG1 | cya later and dont kill your system :-P |
| 04:44.13 | _spOOn_ | :) |
| 04:44.14 | _spOOn_ | cya |
| 04:44.40 | shadows | there is about 12KiB of crap on the beginning of each StuffIt Lite split file |
| 04:44.42 | shadows | what a waste |
| 04:44.44 | Patrick` | asdf |
| 04:45.10 | Patrick` | ok, I got the scsi disk up and running, but I can't use my previous OF settings |
| 04:45.18 | Patrick` | because they have all ATA and stuff in them |
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