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| 00:33.49 | sloopy | simonrvn: no not for macs there arnt any i know of... |
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| 01:27.50 | chrisa | My impression of an Apple tech |
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| 01:27.55 | chrisa | "<Apple> Wow! I'm covered in dirt, I'd better rub it all over this laptop... OOPS, I hit the screen with my screwdriver" |
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| 01:32.55 | shadows | you forgot the part where apple tech uses a speaker magnet from designer iSpeakers to collect screws from power book |
| 01:33.18 | shadows | then gives the speakers as exchange to a customer who claims defective speakers |
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| 02:51.55 | dfalcon | Heya! |
| 02:52.08 | dfalcon | Anyone feel like a little tech support? |
| 02:52.18 | chrisa | no, tech support costs money |
| 02:52.37 | dfalcon | That's why I'm asking! :) |
| 02:52.37 | chrisa | Purchase one of simonrvn's support contracts before proceeding |
| 02:53.05 | dfalcon | Can I run a tab? ;) |
| 02:54.03 | dfalcon | I have a G3 that I managed to get Debian 3.0 installed on....just wonder a couple things - soundserver and MythTV |
| 02:54.49 | dfalcon | Anyone around that is willing to help? |
| 02:57.15 | SG1 | dfalcon, whats the problem? |
| 02:57.54 | dfalcon | I get sound from XMMS but soundserver always complains about CPU overhead and none of the built-in wavs will play for system events |
| 02:58.28 | dfalcon | Thx SG1 |
| 02:58.30 | SG1 | soundserver? |
| 02:58.33 | SG1 | which? |
| 02:58.52 | SG1 | what are you using? |
| 02:58.58 | dfalcon | Hmmmmm....the one built into the "Control" thing.... |
| 02:58.59 | SG1 | artsd? |
| 02:59.08 | SG1 | Control thing of ? |
| 02:59.17 | dfalcon | Just a sec....I will find out and be more clear |
| 02:59.33 | SG1 | MythTV control thing? |
| 03:00.25 | myXtie | I think he means kde and he is prob. doing something the xmms people hate like running xmms through esd plugin |
| 03:01.08 | SG1 | hmms |
| 03:01.19 | SG1 | I dont think xmms is the problem right dfalcon ? |
| 03:05.50 | dfalcon | Just a default Woody install.... |
| 03:05.54 | dfalcon | Sorry...sorry |
| 03:06.07 | dfalcon | Had to boot the machine...didn't expect such quick help |
| 03:06.23 | SG1 | kde or no=kde? |
| 03:06.23 | dfalcon | No....don't think that is the problem. |
| 03:06.26 | dfalcon | KDE yes |
| 03:06.30 | SG1 | hmm |
| 03:06.45 | SG1 | load up and fluxbox or some other WM |
| 03:06.48 | dfalcon | On startup it says,"Cannot open /dev/dsp" |
| 03:06.55 | dfalcon | Permission denied |
| 03:06.58 | SG1 | xmms? |
| 03:07.01 | SG1 | ohh |
| 03:07.03 | dfalcon | Will continue with /dev/null |
| 03:07.19 | SG1 | now wonder :) |
| 03:07.27 | dfalcon | Hmmm? |
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| 03:07.37 | SG1 | add urselft to the audio group |
| 03:07.37 | SG1 | brb |
| 03:07.43 | SG1 | Ill tell you how |
| 03:07.55 | dfalcon | This a typical problem? |
| 03:10.43 | myXtie | dfalcon type the word "groups" in a terminal see if you see the word "audio" |
| 03:11.17 | SG1 | dfalcon, yes |
| 03:11.21 | SG1 | do what myXtie said |
| 03:11.29 | SG1 | do you see audio? |
| 03:11.35 | dfalcon | There is a hydrogenaudio channel |
| 03:11.53 | SG1 | ? |
| 03:12.14 | dfalcon | You talkin about a shell window on the mac? |
| 03:12.18 | dfalcon | Sorry...my stupid... |
| 03:12.34 | myXtie | dfalcon open an xterm or kterm or kshell and type " groups " |
| 03:12.36 | SG1 | yes |
| 03:13.04 | dfalcon | Nope |
| 03:13.20 | dfalcon | If I am logged in as me, then my name, otherwise just root |
| 03:13.30 | SG1 | ok |
| 03:13.41 | SG1 | log in as root |
| 03:13.44 | SG1 | adduser yourname audio |
| 03:13.53 | SG1 | it will add you to the audio group |
| 03:14.02 | SG1 | then ls -l /dev/dsp* |
| 03:14.12 | dfalcon | What if I wanna run x as root? |
| 03:14.18 | SG1 | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Jun 30 12:17 /dev/dsp |
| 03:14.27 | SG1 | should look like that |
| 03:14.27 | SG1 | umm |
| 03:14.29 | SG1 | just dont |
| 03:14.35 | SG1 | running X as root=bad |
| 03:14.39 | dfalcon | I know you aren't supposed to.... |
| 03:14.45 | SG1 | and wait a minute.... |
| 03:14.55 | SG1 | did it give you cant open /dev/dsp |
| 03:14.59 | SG1 | as root?? |
| 03:15.08 | dfalcon | Yeah |
| 03:15.16 | SG1 | what... |
| 03:15.27 | SG1 | do you have any normal user accounts? |
| 03:15.36 | dfalcon | Maybe I am mistaken...lemme double check |
| 03:15.41 | dfalcon | Yes...I do have one |
| 03:15.45 | SG1 | ok |
| 03:15.46 | SG1 | well |
| 03:16.00 | SG1 | adduser username audio |
| 03:16.17 | SG1 | username=that one user's username |
| 03:16.31 | SG1 | that has to be done as root |
| 03:18.17 | SG1 | myXtie, can you help dfalcon? |
| 03:18.23 | myXtie | dfalcon use the "su" command as a normal user to gain root powers never login as root except if you are locked out of login somehow |
| 03:18.26 | SG1 | I need to get going soon |
| 03:18.44 | SG1 | myXtie, or on a tty... |
| 03:18.46 | myXtie | do what SG1 said |
| 03:18.51 | dfalcon | I got it running as a user |
| 03:18.56 | dfalcon | Group is added |
| 03:19.03 | dfalcon | and error message doesn't appear |
| 03:19.09 | SG1 | good :) |
| 03:19.14 | dfalcon | However...you go to the "Control Center" |
| 03:19.14 | SG1 | well I have to go... |
| 03:19.20 | dfalcon | Then pick the Sound option |
| 03:19.25 | SG1 | and? |
| 03:19.25 | myXtie | cheers folks ;) |
| 03:19.32 | dfalcon | and then press Test Sound and it does not work |
| 03:20.03 | SG1 | volume? |
| 03:20.13 | SG1 | I dunno much about the KDE soundserver |
| 03:20.19 | SG1 | as I dont use KDE |
| 03:20.26 | dfalcon | Eventually comes back with "sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting" |
| 03:20.30 | SG1 | /dev/dsp or nas for me :) |
| 03:20.38 | SG1 | anyway g2g |
| 03:20.39 | dfalcon | I don't really care about KDE...what do you recommend? |
| 03:20.50 | dfalcon | Ok...see ya |
| 03:20.53 | dfalcon | Thanks for your help! |
| 03:21.00 | myXtie | dfalcon are you using a stock kernel ? |
| 03:21.05 | dfalcon | Yup |
| 03:21.12 | myXtie | or did you build it yourself ? |
| 03:21.18 | dfalcon | Nope....did a HTTP install |
| 03:21.37 | dfalcon | Use BOOTX to get in |
| 03:22.05 | dfalcon | Maybe I should ask the bigger question - what I really want to do eventually is run MythTV on this thing....am I wasting my time? |
| 03:22.13 | dfalcon | Or is this feasible? |
| 03:22.27 | myXtie | dfalcon you may need to login and out for the sound to work ( reboot works too) |
| 03:22.53 | dfalcon | I did try logging out and back in....maybe I need to reboot.... |
| 03:23.36 | myXtie | dfalcon I don't know what MythTV is sorry but I run XINE on unstable (sid) and it rocks |
| 03:24.01 | dfalcon | Does MythTV work on a Mac (beige G3).....It is a PVR application....very cool looking.... |
| 03:24.18 | dfalcon | Yeah...I use Linux machines at work all the time and I like XINE.... |
| 03:24.52 | dfalcon | Just not real familiar with this Mac, nor Debian to be honest |
| 03:25.06 | myXtie | again dfalcon I don't know what MythTV is sorry |
| 03:25.11 | dfalcon | Np...thx |
| 03:26.04 | myXtie | set your kde soundserver to timeout so it doesn't interfere with another soundserver like esd |
| 03:26.33 | dfalcon | Is there a command line sound config tool like RedHat has? |
| 03:26.36 | myXtie | esd and artsd ( artsd runs in KDE ) interfere with each other |
| 03:27.25 | dfalcon | What about Alsa...can I run Alsa? |
| 03:27.53 | dfalcon | There was a Debian PPC package...but the module didn't load at boot |
| 03:28.05 | dfalcon | Said it couldn't find a driver. |
| 03:28.54 | myXtie | Alsa is not for powerpc woody the sound modules are not as good as the standard sound builtin to kernels |
| 03:29.09 | myXtie | you would need to build a kernel with alsa to get alsa |
| 03:30.08 | dfalcon | One last question....can I upgrade my current Debian 3.0 to the unstable current version somehow? |
| 03:31.54 | myXtie | sure just edit the file in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:32.34 | dfalcon | Thanx very much for your time myXtie! |
| 03:32.44 | myXtie | anywhere you see the word " stable" place the word " unstable" in its place |
| 03:32.58 | myXtie | in the sources.list file |
| 03:33.50 | myXtie | oh yeah and the line with security updates you can delete it |
| 03:34.41 | myXtie | sid ( unstable doesn't have the same model for security updates ) |
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| 03:38.31 | myXtie | dfalcon : once you edit the file do a "apt-get update" then type " apt-get dist-upgrade" and hope and pray ;) |
| 03:46.55 | dfalcon | Ok....thanx again! |
| 03:55.49 | demon | heh... sometimes you gotta reboot your cable modem... |
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