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| 00:50.16 | Loading | sup |
| 00:52.26 | gubbs | they're all dead too. |
| 00:52.31 | gubbs | I'm suspecting a radiation leak .. |
| 00:52.34 | gubbs | ;) |
| 00:52.38 | Loading | hahaha |
| 00:52.48 | Loading | reminds me of 28 days later |
| 00:52.55 | gubbs | lol |
| 00:52.57 | gubbs | red dwarf init. |
| 00:53.11 | gubbs | "They're all dead Dave ... everyone' dead, they're all dead ... Dave." |
| 00:53.19 | gubbs | try #ppclinux |
| 00:53.20 | Loading | we are the last two mac users left alive |
| 00:53.24 | gubbs | they're all dead in there too mind you. |
| 00:53.29 | gubbs | but its at least amusing. |
| 00:53.31 | Loading | and being attacked by x86 guys around the world |
| 00:53.32 | gubbs | and passes the time. |
| 00:53.38 | gubbs | hehe |
| 00:53.40 | gubbs | we must have babies! |
| 00:53.44 | gubbs | pronto! |
| 00:53.46 | Loading | :) |
| 00:53.55 | gubbs | how many pins? |
| 00:53.59 | Loading | hahahahahahhaha |
| 00:54.02 | gubbs | :) |
| 00:54.16 | Loading | doh |
| 00:54.18 | Loading | wrong |
| 00:54.31 | acidx | +_+ |
| 00:55.21 | Loading | anyone installed debian from installer onto a ppc? |
| 00:56.01 | gubbs | well I'll say goodnight. |
| 00:56.08 | gubbs | have a wonderful life Loading. |
| 00:56.10 | acidx | i've installed woody this week (then upgraded to sid yesterday) |
| 00:56.25 | gubbs | (pun intended) |
| 00:56.28 | gubbs | gah I dunno .. |
| 00:56.30 | gubbs | heathens. |
| 00:56.43 | Loading | acidx did u use the installer? |
| 00:56.44 | Loading | cd |
| 00:57.19 | acidx | Loading: yup. i've used netinst, though (just installed the basic, then did everything else from apt) |
| 00:57.27 | Loading | cool |
| 00:57.38 | Loading | i couldnt get it to recognize my apple_bootstarp |
| 00:57.44 | Loading | kept saying it was wrong size |
| 00:57.57 | Loading | its in fireware u cant delete it |
| 00:57.58 | Loading | weird |
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| 00:58.24 | Loading | firm |
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| 00:58.54 | Loading | so does sid have gnome 2.6 in it? |
| 00:59.02 | nenolod | ooooh |
| 00:59.10 | Matthew_I | Loading: yup |
| 00:59.39 | Matthew_I | how can I boot my old world mac, apparently quik failed to properly install and now the system won't boot, not even from a floppy |
| 00:59.53 | acidx | Loading: i never had these problems, as i use an oldworld machine. |
| 01:00.02 | Loading | :) |
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| 01:00.40 | acidx | Matthew_I: turn on your machine, and after the chime, press control+option+p+r, wait for the chime again, and your system should boot from the first boot device it finds |
| 01:01.02 | Matthew_I | acidx: ok ill try that |
| 01:01.06 | Matthew_I | facking macs |
| 01:01.14 | Matthew_I | acidx: so that will be the floppy or the hd |
| 01:01.26 | acidx | if you have macos on the hd, it will bot from the hd |
| 01:01.32 | acidx | if not, from the floppy |
| 01:01.55 | Matthew_I | acidx: linux is on the hd |
| 01:02.11 | Matthew_I | acidx: so if I put some kind of rescue disk on in the drive then I can get it to boot? |
| 01:02.18 | acidx | some oldworlds can't boot linux directly. :( |
| 01:02.29 | Matthew_I | acidx: yeah, but I mean off the floppy |
| 01:02.34 | acidx | never tried that... |
| 01:02.38 | nenolod | question |
| 01:03.00 | Matthew_I | acidx: well ill try it tomorrow, we were gonna give it away, but it seems it may be useful after all |
| 01:03.04 | nenolod | i have an issue with booting from the 3.0 floppies |
| 01:03.09 | Matthew_I | acidx: peice of apple crap is pissing me off |
| 01:03.12 | Matthew_I | acidx: but thanks |
| 01:03.20 | acidx | Matthew_I: :) |
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| 01:03.33 | nenolod | oh well |
| 01:03.40 | nenolod | i have a copy of Mac OS 8.6 |
| 01:03.45 | nenolod | could probably find a 9.2 on bittorrent |
| 01:03.56 | nenolod | so if i have to do this with BootX it is workable |
| 01:03.57 | nenolod | :\ |
| 01:04.34 | acidx | bootx needs at least sys 7.5 iirc |
| 01:04.41 | acidx | and sys 7.5 is freeware from apple ;) |
| 01:05.07 | nenolod | ah cool |
| 01:05.16 | nenolod | well then |
| 01:05.21 | nenolod | what i will do is use BootX |
| 01:05.29 | nenolod | how big of a macos install do you need for bootx? |
| 01:05.35 | nenolod | 80-90mb fine? |
| 01:06.05 | acidx | i'm using macos 8, and i have a 30MB partition |
| 01:06.32 | acidx | it's not a full install though, just the minimum :) |
| 01:25.01 | nenolod | acidx: how does one partition the disk inside macos? |
| 01:25.22 | acidx | using "disk setup" from apple |
| 01:25.43 | nenolod | you mean drive setup? |
| 01:26.09 | acidx | oops, sorry, yes, drive setup |
| 01:26.31 | nenolod | ok |
| 01:26.34 | nenolod | how do i do it? |
| 01:27.54 | acidx | you can't partition the startup disk, so you may need to use the installer disc |
| 01:28.00 | nenolod | yeah i know |
| 01:28.05 | nenolod | let me reboot into MacOS 8.6 |
| 01:28.08 | nenolod | 'tis a shame |
| 01:28.27 | nenolod | i bought this mac used with 9.1, but i have a 8.6 disc someone gave me with their imac which turned out to be dead |
| 01:33.30 | acidx | i did my own macos boot cd using basilisk II on my peecee |
| 01:33.45 | nenolod | heh |
| 01:34.01 | acidx | (just created a dummy disk, installed macos, configured some things, then burned into a cd-r :) |
| 01:34.46 | nenolod | hopefully mac os 8.6 will support my apple ethernet addon card thingy |
| 01:35.31 | nenolod | otherwise i'll have to bittorrent a newer version |
| 01:35.37 | nenolod | which would be annoying |
| 01:44.49 | simonrvn | nenolod: wow, long time no see |
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| 02:06.37 | nenolod | simonrvn: sup? |
| 02:06.54 | nenolod | acidx: ok, i have bootx working what should i do next |
| 02:08.09 | acidx | create a folder named "linux kernels" inside the system folder |
| 02:08.23 | acidx | put your kernel there and select it from the bootx window |
| 02:08.39 | nenolod | i mean to launch installer |
| 02:08.40 | nenolod | one sec |
| 02:08.46 | nenolod | i have to go fetch a better monitor |
| 02:08.54 | nenolod | i just chose a resolution of a decent size |
| 02:09.56 | acidx | :) when you're finished, select the ramdisk (also from the bootx window) and boot linux :) |
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| 02:44.08 | nenolod | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.19 | nenolod | howdammit |
| 02:48.21 | nenolod | umm |
| 02:48.25 | nenolod | grr |
| 02:48.31 | nenolod | quik took over my system |
| 02:48.35 | nenolod | and i cant boot |
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| 03:05.47 | nenolod | ok |
| 03:06.22 | nenolod | quik does not work on my beige g3 |
| 03:06.26 | nenolod | it does not start up |
| 03:13.46 | nenolod | umm beautiful |
| 03:21.58 | simonrvn | nenolod: busy as fuck |
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| 03:22.23 | simonrvn | yeh, and i'm the bishop of rome |
| 03:23.18 | simonrvn | nenolod: beige g3 the best thing you can do to have quik boot it properly is to boot fro ma scsi drive |
| 03:23.46 | simonrvn | nenolod: there's stupid issues with the ide bus (? IIRC) |
| 03:27.07 | nenolod | .. |
| 03:27.19 | nenolod | simonrvn: how can i fix it? |
| 03:27.50 | simonrvn | zap the pram, boot back to mac os |
| 03:27.58 | nenolod | doesn't work. |
| 03:28.05 | nenolod | or if you would |
| 03:28.12 | nenolod | could you explain exactly how to do that? |
| 03:28.31 | simonrvn | command-option-p-r |
| 03:28.49 | nenolod | at what time do i do that |
| 03:28.50 | simonrvn | right after the boing |
| 03:29.24 | nenolod | what window of time would i have to do that? |
| 03:30.37 | nenolod | simonrvn: screen still blank. |
| 03:30.56 | simonrvn | very short |
| 03:31.00 | bob2_out | well, thanks for your help, everyone |
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| 03:31.28 | bob2_out | I have X working (2.6.6 needs a patch for radeonfb), the batteryometer works, sound, ... |
| 03:33.10 | nenolod | simonrvn: does not work |
| 03:33.22 | simonrvn | bob2_out: cool |
| 03:33.33 | simonrvn | command-option first, then p-r |
| 03:33.41 | simonrvn | keep trying |
| 03:34.18 | bob2_out | nenolod: it does work, you just need to practice the timing... |
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| 03:39.05 | krunk- | woot, my first successful debianppc install with working iptables firewall. :) |
| 03:42.45 | nenolod | simonrvn: ok |
| 03:44.25 | nenolod | simonrvn: does not work |
| 03:44.30 | nenolod | it really does not |
| 03:44.49 | nenolod | You cannot zap pram. |
| 03:45.41 | nenolod | ok |
| 03:45.58 | nenolod | simonrvn: is there a battery i can pull to let it sit for like 48 hours to cause the pram chip to discharge? |
| 03:46.10 | simonrvn | uh, yes, you can zap the pram. |
| 03:46.22 | simonrvn | you can pull the battery for 10 minutes |
| 03:46.37 | nenolod | where is the battery? |
| 03:46.50 | simonrvn | on the mobo, near the front |
| 03:50.03 | nenolod | i'm not seeing it |
| 03:53.00 | krunk- | you can zap the pram...there's a key combo you can hit at boot or a "zap" button on the mobo |
| 03:53.22 | krunk- | something like, apple+shift+something |
| 03:53.45 | bob2_out | option-control-o-p |
| 03:53.47 | bob2_out | or r-p |
| 03:54.03 | krunk- | option+apple+P+R |
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| 03:54.36 | bob2_out | ah |
| 03:54.59 | nenolod | krunk-: i can |
| 03:55.01 | nenolod | but you see |
| 03:55.17 | nenolod | i would be here all night doing that |
| 03:55.19 | nenolod | so |
| 03:55.20 | nenolod | um |
| 03:55.21 | nenolod | no |
| 03:55.31 | bob2_out | right |
| 03:55.34 | krunk- | why would you be here all night? |
| 03:55.42 | bob2_out | krunk-: it's *4* buttons! |
| 03:55.45 | krunk- | I just came in on the tail end |
| 03:55.50 | krunk- | lol |
| 03:56.12 | krunk- | though I admit it's an awkward key combo |
| 03:56.22 | bob2_out | the bigger problem is listening to the mac "boot boing" noise over and over |
| 03:56.41 | bob2_out | I actually set fire to myself after hearing it for the 10 327th time last night |
| 03:57.09 | simonrvn | heh |
| 03:57.44 | simonrvn | man, how is it so fucking hard to "don't wait for the boing to finish when trying to zap the PRAM?" |
| 03:58.19 | bob2_out | I dunno, it took me a while to get it... |
| 03:58.45 | sloopy | simonrvn: simple concepts are the hardest to understand... ;') |
| 04:01.03 | simonrvn | bob2_out: even if it takes a while, once you get it, you don't forget |
| 04:01.05 | krunk- | zapping of pram and the 'C' for cd start-up is flaky if I use my MS keyboard |
| 04:04.56 | nenolod | . |
| 04:04.58 | nenolod | guys |
| 04:05.08 | nenolod | i mean is their any alternative to that key combination |
| 04:05.16 | nenolod | cause it is impossible on this keyboard |
| 04:06.39 | sloopy | what kind of keyboard is it? |
| 04:07.00 | nenolod | one with big keys |
| 04:07.10 | nenolod | i dont have big hands for that shit |
| 04:07.36 | nenolod | um no |
| 04:07.39 | nenolod | IT DID NOT WORK |
| 04:07.42 | bob2_out | hah |
| 04:07.47 | nenolod | I DID IT RIGHT WHEN THE BOING NOISE HAPPENED |
| 04:07.50 | bob2_out | nenolod: dude, chill out |
| 04:07.57 | nenolod | bob2_out: i'm about to go insane |
| 04:08.02 | nenolod | i have been doing this for the last hour |
| 04:08.09 | nenolod | come on, there has to be a better way to do this |
| 04:08.14 | bob2_out | boot a cd then |
| 04:08.23 | nenolod | i cant |
| 04:08.25 | nenolod | it wont let me |
| 04:08.35 | bob2_out | "it wont let me"? |
| 04:08.39 | nenolod | i get no monitor output |
| 04:08.47 | bob2_out | "NO< PUNY HUMAN2A, I WILL DESTROY YOU" |
| 04:08.49 | nenolod | it is a black screen |
| 04:08.55 | bob2_out | can be more vague? |
| 04:09.02 | bob2_out | is this a new machine? |
| 04:09.05 | nenolod | no |
| 04:09.07 | nenolod | it is an old machine |
| 04:09.12 | bob2_out | how old? |
| 04:09.15 | nenolod | a beige g3 |
| 04:09.21 | nenolod | 1998, 1999 ish |
| 04:09.50 | bob2_out | isn't that newworl, ie able to boot cds? does it spin the CD up when you hold "c" during boot? |
| 04:10.00 | nenolod | it spins the cd up when i hold down c yes |
| 04:10.02 | nenolod | but |
| 04:10.05 | nenolod | it is not newworld |
| 04:10.13 | nenolod | it is an oldworld beige g3 |
| 04:10.16 | bob2_out | well, you can't boot a cd |
| 04:10.23 | nenolod | yes i cannot boot a cd |
| 04:10.28 | bob2_out | so keep trying to get into openfirmware ;) |
| 04:10.36 | nenolod | i dont think i have openfirmware |
| 04:10.48 | bob2_out | then why did you vspend an hour trying to get into it? |
| 04:11.05 | nenolod | I have spent an hour trying to zap the pram. |
| 04:12.36 | nenolod | might it help if i used an actual apple monitor and not a decent SVGA one with an adaptor? |
| 04:12.56 | simonrvn | probably, probably not |
| 04:13.19 | nenolod | is there any way i can zap the pram without using the keyboard? |
| 04:14.08 | bob2_out | by "zap the pram" you mean "mac os boot"? |
| 04:14.31 | simonrvn | no, zapping the parameter RAM on the mobo |
| 04:14.35 | nenolod | by zap the pram |
| 04:14.40 | simonrvn | reset to defaults |
| 04:14.42 | nenolod | i mean kill off this stupid bootloader |
| 04:14.54 | bob2_out | nenolod: can't you use a macos9 boot disk? |
| 04:15.09 | nenolod | bob2_out: no, i only have os 8.6 |
| 04:15.16 | nenolod | and no, this is not an openfirmware box |
| 04:15.19 | sloopy | nenolod: remove the battery on the mobo for 15-20mins and it will reset the pram... |
| 04:15.22 | simonrvn | yes it is |
| 04:15.22 | nenolod | i got it for |
| 04:15.29 | nenolod | sloopy: where is the battery |
| 04:15.33 | nenolod | i need a picture of this battery |
| 04:15.37 | nenolod | because i see no battery |
| 04:15.37 | simonrvn | sloopy: he can't find the battery... |
| 04:15.39 | sloopy | nenolod: dunno.. |
| 04:15.43 | simonrvn | it's fucking round |
| 04:15.51 | nenolod | simonrvn: yes, i gathered that |
| 04:15.54 | simonrvn | and small, in a black enclosure. |
| 04:15.58 | nenolod | oh |
| 04:16.00 | sloopy | it is either purple or black... about half the length of a AA battery... |
| 04:16.05 | nenolod | I KNOW WHERE IT IS |
| 04:16.06 | simonrvn | FFS |
| 04:16.07 | sloopy | in a black case.. |
| 04:16.07 | nenolod | and no |
| 04:16.11 | nenolod | i cant get to it |
| 04:16.35 | sloopy | yes you can get to it... may just require a little work (i.e. take some stuff out...) |
| 04:16.39 | simonrvn | fuck this... |
| 04:16.53 | sloopy | simonrvn: must be a full moon ;') |
| 04:17.04 | simonrvn | could be.. |
| 04:18.26 | nenolod | nah |
| 04:18.36 | nenolod | the full moon was on my birthday, the third |
| 04:18.44 | nenolod | i'm just frustrated due to a fuckup i made |
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| 04:20.45 | sloopy | did you get to the battery? |
| 04:22.28 | nenolod | i'm working on it |
| 04:22.41 | nenolod | i have a daughterboard i have to remove |
| 04:22.45 | nenolod | and my tools suck |
| 04:23.53 | simonrvn | man, i hate when some shit forces me to move to something i don't need, but some bits of the thing i don't need i do need.... |
| 04:24.11 | simonrvn | nenolod: i use the PS and my fingers |
| 04:24.26 | simonrvn | touch the PS to discharge static, and remove with fingers |
| 04:24.29 | simonrvn | :) |
| 04:28.28 | nenolod | ok |
| 04:28.42 | nenolod | sloopy: how do i remove the black plastic cage thing around the battery |
| 04:28.59 | simonrvn | slide it sideways |
| 04:29.43 | nenolod | got it. |
| 04:29.59 | nenolod | while i'm here i think i'll upgrade the ram |
| 04:30.08 | nenolod | PC133 works right? |
| 04:31.23 | simonrvn | i don't know. i kinda doubt it. |
| 04:32.41 | simonrvn | i'm not sure, but i don't think pc133 ram sticks were invented yet |
| 04:32.50 | simonrvn | ...when that beats was made |
| 04:32.53 | simonrvn | beast* |
| 04:33.55 | nenolod | but it is new world? |
| 04:33.56 | nenolod | lol |
| 04:34.05 | simonrvn | no |
| 04:34.09 | simonrvn | you wish |
| 04:34.14 | nenolod | like i thought the box was old world |
| 04:34.15 | nenolod | :-P |
| 04:34.38 | nenolod | i wish i could get a copy of OS X |
| 04:35.01 | simonrvn | minimum 256 MB RAM for that monster |
| 04:35.02 | nenolod | but alas it would be slow on this G3 266 |
| 04:35.04 | nenolod | lol |
| 04:35.06 | nenolod | yeah |
| 04:35.15 | simonrvn | at 128 it's fucking slow |
| 04:35.31 | krunk- | what are the necessary nfs packages? The How-To says I need nfs-utils, but it no longer exists. I'm guessing nfs-common? |
| 04:35.32 | nenolod | i have 64 in this beast i got |
| 04:35.40 | nenolod | i got it for $100 though |
| 04:35.45 | nenolod | so it's pretty cool |
| 04:35.46 | simonrvn | a g3 could handle it ok i think, i think it'S more a ram and video thing |
| 04:36.08 | krunk- | depends on how fast the G3 |
| 04:36.17 | simonrvn | krunk-: nfs-*-server on server, nfs module on client |
| 04:36.34 | sfire||mouse | hehe, I got a g3 400 for $100, it came with 64, sucked so much, went and got a stick of 512 for the baby, and OSX was fine with that |
| 04:36.39 | simonrvn | nenolod: first thing i'd do is put more ram in it |
| 04:37.02 | nenolod | simonrvn: it says on the board to use SDRAM |
| 04:37.15 | nenolod | i have like 2 gigs of sdram laying around |
| 04:37.24 | simonrvn | well, i wasn't sure :) |
| 04:37.59 | nenolod | so after i zap the pram it should hopefully work right? |
| 04:38.07 | nenolod | well i guess i am not zapping it |
| 04:38.16 | nenolod | i am more of letting it just clear itself out due to lack of power |
| 04:38.20 | sloopy | beige g3 uses pc66 ram |
| 04:38.30 | simonrvn | it'll default to booting a mac os partition |
| 04:38.33 | nenolod | will pc133 work? |
| 04:38.45 | simonrvn | sloopy: that explains that... |
| 04:38.47 | sloopy | maybe... but dont bet on it... |
| 04:39.06 | nenolod | well getting it to boot so i can boot into the system using bootx |
| 04:39.11 | sloopy | my b&w g3 uses pc100... some 133 will work some doesnt... |
| 04:39.23 | simonrvn | (it does anyway, but it'll HAVE /APPL,ROM as a boot-device) |
| 04:39.31 | simonrvn | s/HAVE/have/ |
| 04:43.17 | nenolod | simonrvn: now it does not chime |
| 04:45.59 | nenolod | simonrvn: no chime, blank screen, nothing happens. |
| 04:46.14 | simonrvn | did you stick the battery back in? |
| 04:46.20 | nenolod | yes. |
| 04:46.31 | simonrvn | turn it on again |
| 04:46.51 | nenolod | same. |
| 04:48.31 | simonrvn | you pressing the power key for a sec or two? |
| 04:49.36 | nenolod | yes |
| 04:49.40 | nenolod | the power light on the machine is on |
| 04:49.45 | nenolod | no grey background |
| 04:49.46 | nenolod | no chime |
| 04:54.39 | sloopy | pull the battery for 15-20 mins... |
| 04:54.52 | nenolod | ok.. |
| 04:54.53 | sloopy | make sure the power cord is disconnected... |
| 04:58.46 | nenolod | i aam going to let it sit overnight |
| 05:19.38 | nenolod | It has been exactly 20 minutes. |
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| 06:07.37 | jcm | hi, is there a way to boot debian from a firewire hd ? a firewire cd drive ? or to install debian without an ide cd drive on a NewWorld ? |
| 06:21.34 | nenolod | simonrvn: i got it to finally clear |
| 06:21.35 | nenolod | :D |
| 06:21.51 | simonrvn | good |
| 06:22.34 | nenolod | debian looks to be the best overall PPC distro at the moment for what i need |
| 06:26.41 | sloopy | oh come on... gentoo roolz :') |
| 06:29.29 | nenolod | ok |
| 06:29.38 | nenolod | sloopy: do i need to lowlevel format the drive? |
| 06:29.39 | nenolod | lol |
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