| 00:01.43 | calkj_ | what does "dhcpcd.exe: line 49: .: |
| 00:01.43 | calkj_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.44 | calkj_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.03 | chrisa | .exe? That's peculiar |
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| 00:06.41 | simonrvn | question: if i want to build support for initrd/ram disk, and i don't have to or want an initrd, how do i avoid it trying to use an initrd? |
| 00:09.28 | Curalton | no initrd yaboot entry to the kernel |
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| 00:18.58 | simonrvn | Curalton: yaboot? what? |
| 00:23.54 | Curalton | my ibook is cold now, but unless you have a initrd = <some file> line along the kernel entry it wont try to use an initrd but boot normally |
| 00:24.20 | calkj_ | how do i access an hfs filesystem? |
| 00:24.48 | Curalton | hfs or hfsplus? |
| 00:24.57 | calkj_ | Curalton \: hfs+ |
| 00:24.57 | Curalton | 2.6.x have at least readsupport in it |
| 00:25.10 | Curalton | see if modprove hfsplus works out |
| 00:25.15 | Curalton | modprobe* |
| 00:25.24 | Curalton | then the usual mount command, maybe with -o ro |
| 00:25.58 | calkj_ | no hfsplus, but i'm still on 2.4.* |
| 00:26.44 | simonrvn | Curalton: ok. i hope so. like i said, i want the support, but not the actaul initrd ;) |
| 00:26.50 | calkj_ | Curalton: what do you think is the best way of doing a new 2.6.* kernal: benh stuff or straight debian sources via apt-get? |
| 00:27.54 | Curalton | calkj_: plain 2.6 should be fine, benh is not needed anymore |
| 00:28.30 | calkj_ | Curalton: ok, thx |
| 00:29.29 | calkj_ | Curalton: how di i set up hfsplus support then? just installed 'hfsplus' via apt. now should i try to mount the volumes? |
| 00:29.42 | Curalton | no, hfsplus via apt is some userspace utility |
| 00:29.53 | Curalton | with 2.6 you can just mount it like and ext3 or isofs volume |
| 00:30.00 | calkj_ | Curalton: kernel then... |
| 00:30.07 | Curalton | yes |
| 00:30.33 | calkj_ | ok, i'll try it! thx again! |
| 00:30.47 | Curalton | simonrvn: i had an (unused) initrd option active in my kernel for a long time until i finally removed it :) |
| 00:30.54 | calkj_ | Curalton: ah, forgot: is this write AND read support? |
| 00:32.54 | simonrvn | Curalton: cool. thanks :) |
| 00:33.28 | Curalton | calkj_: latest usually has write support, though you might try -mm patches for an improvement of that |
| 00:33.46 | Curalton | calkj_: write support is there, yet i dont know how the debian 2.6.6 ppc kernels are configured |
| 00:33.59 | calkj_ | Curalton: what are -mm patches? |
| 00:34.08 | Curalton | simonrvn: :) - old suse config gradually stripped down :) |
| 00:34.17 | simonrvn | heh |
| 00:34.27 | Curalton | calkj_: well, never mind, you might not want to compile a kernel for yourself yet :) |
| 00:35.38 | calkj_ | Curalton: well, YES i DO! :-) i did for many times under x86 boxes with low-latency-patched kernels, so i might be able to apply a patch to a ppc-kernel as well!!!! |
| 00:36.16 | Curalton | ok, well then just grab 2.6.6 sources, get the -mm patches which are advertised on the kernel.org homepage and build it :) |
| 00:36.28 | Curalton | s/homepage/startpage/ |
| 00:36.37 | calkj_ | thx for the link to kernel.org |
| 00:36.51 | simonrvn | don't use preempt on ppc. e.g., preempt is a SEGV causer after about 2-4 days |
| 00:36.51 | Curalton | calkj_: also maybe look out for existing .configs for your special ppc hardware |
| 00:37.10 | calkj_ | SEGV? |
| 00:37.20 | simonrvn | segmentation fault |
| 00:37.21 | Curalton | segmentation fault |
| 00:37.29 | Curalton | yes i also wonder about the V, why not SEGF? |
| 00:38.10 | calkj_ | damn, i wanted preempt support bc i'm mostly doing realtime audio... |
| 00:38.29 | sk1p | segmentation violation |
| 00:38.33 | sk1p | i guess |
| 00:38.42 | Curalton | sk1p: thx, sounds plausible :) |
| 00:40.04 | Curalton | calkj_: maybe keep your uptime under one day and try it :) |
| 00:40.15 | simonrvn | haha |
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| 00:41.00 | calkj_ | do the SEGV appear after 24hrs then :-) |
| 00:41.18 | *** topic/#debianppc by Curalton -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. || http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki || G4 howto http://tinyurl.com/2488m || Install Debian on new (2003) PowerMacs with XFS: http://penguinppc.org/~eb/files/XFS-debian-README.txt || Want Linux 2.6 ? use 2.6.x from kernel.org (or sid's kernel-images); DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC || Yaboot 1.3.12 released |
| 00:41.42 | Curalton | calkj_: never tried, just closely interpreting what simonrvn said and what i read in #debianppc.de :) |
| 00:42.19 | calkj_ | Curalton: aha, es gibt einen deutschen #channel (aha there is a german #channel)! |
| 00:42.39 | Curalton | heh, yes, mostly ibook users :) |
| 00:43.03 | Curalton | but only 5 ppl, more social than technical |
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| 00:44.56 | chobby | Whoever has an apple ibook. What wireless adapter is good to use with Linux and OSX. The D-Link dwl-122 doesn't work with the newest version of OSX |
| 00:45.15 | Curalton | g3 ibook? |
| 00:45.51 | chobby | g4 ibook 1GHz |
| 00:46.10 | SG1 | chobby, are you sure? |
| 00:46.16 | chobby | yep |
| 00:46.19 | SG1 | dwl-122 should work... |
| 00:46.29 | chobby | not with 10.3.4 |
| 00:46.45 | chobby | it gets a signal but won't get an ip |
| 00:47.13 | chobby | won't work with my netgear router and won't work at school |
| 00:47.34 | SG1 | chobby, try setting its IP |
| 00:47.43 | chobby | ok |
| 00:48.45 | SG1 | maybe dhcp just broke.... for some odd crazy reason.... |
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| 01:06.02 | r0g3l10 | somebody have the ideal parameters for hdparm for ibook G3 2.2? |
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| 03:11.45 | jjbenham | any one here play around with apoo or corewar? |
| 03:12.07 | simonrvn | corewar a bit |
| 03:12.14 | simonrvn | corewars rather |
| 03:12.18 | sloopy | when my son makes apoo he plays with it on occasion... |
| 03:12.27 | mk4t | hahaha |
| 03:12.32 | simonrvn | eeew, hehe |
| 03:12.59 | mk4t | I'll take on anyone in liquidwar |
| 03:13.04 | sloopy | sorry i couldnt resist... |
| 03:13.21 | jjbenham | sloopy: thats the first thing I thoght! |
| 03:13.22 | simonrvn | sloopy: :) |
| 03:13.52 | jjbenham | how much different is 68k assembly and ppc assembly? |
| 03:14.14 | simonrvn | probably a lot. no idea however |
| 03:14.45 | mk4t | yeah seriously |
| 03:14.53 | mk4t | ppc is risc, 68k is cisc |
| 03:15.26 | mk4t | 68k would be great to learn assembly on though it was one of the last chips that people seriously wrote programs in assembly for |
| 03:15.55 | sloopy | 68k assem is rightous... |
| 03:16.01 | sloopy | very orthigonal... |
| 03:16.10 | mk4t | and once you get down the concepts you could start to apply it to ppc |
| 03:16.41 | mk4t | all the early motorolla chips have the best assembly, much better than anything intel ever put out imho |
| 03:17.46 | mk4t | heck most college courses still teach on 6502 type chips |
| 03:17.50 | sloopy | mk4t: hell html is better then x86 assem... the segmentation reg alone has made lesser men go insane... |
| 03:17.53 | jjbenham | has anyone here used the Fantasm/LIDE? It has been released under the gpl now. |
| 03:18.27 | mk4t | best to learn assembly on the chips that existed before people had compilers |
| 03:18.55 | jjbenham | I have spent time but I can't find good documenation |
| 03:19.20 | jjbenham | sloopy suggested 6502 but I have found documents that just lead me to frustration. |
| 03:19.42 | jjbenham | code examples don't assemble or whatever |
| 03:19.58 | mk4t | if you learn the 6502 then 68k is mostly an extension of that |
| 03:20.15 | jjbenham | I started reading The Art of Assembly and thought that was rather good but it is mostly geared toward x86 |
| 03:20.24 | mk4t | heh, in my course we didn't use assemblers |
| 03:20.30 | mk4t | we assembled by hand |
| 03:20.58 | jjbenham | is apoo or corewars a good way to learn it? |
| 03:21.59 | mk4t | hook up a breadboard with a 6502, little bit of rom, ram, some LEDs, a couple segmented displays, and a hex keypad |
| 03:22.05 | mk4t | and you are good to go ;) |
| 03:22.17 | mk4t | we would just assemble by hand and type it in carefully |
| 03:22.37 | simonrvn | how do you assemble by hand? |
| 03:23.17 | mk4t | all you need in the rom is a bit to initialize the chip and bring up the segmented display then go into a routine where you can type in the numbers and edit the individual portions of memory |
| 03:23.20 | mk4t | and then just a way to run it |
| 03:23.53 | simonrvn | ooh ok. just direct access to the mem |
| 03:24.03 | mk4t | you just have to get a chart that has the opcodes and then type in the numbers |
| 03:24.04 | mk4t | yup |
| 03:24.13 | simonrvn | i see |
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| 03:24.40 | mk4t | and after a while you memorize the most common opcodes |
| 03:25.12 | skel | I've got a box with no usable floppy that I'm trying to get debian on. so I downloaded the images into /dev/hdb3 |
| 03:25.29 | skel | is there a way from grub I can boot from those? |
| 03:25.37 | skel | I know its not ppc related =/ |
| 03:25.42 | mk4t | you can make the leds and segmented display blink and all sorts of stuff and then you can try to add a port controller to run something else |
| 03:25.45 | skel | I'll try in #grub too |
| 03:26.38 | mk4t | well I don't use grub so I dunno |
| 03:26.54 | jjbenham | mk4t: I don't even know how to get that far and don't feel like purchasing anything |
| 03:27.05 | skel | ok |
| 03:27.32 | mk4t | its just a good way to learn because it makes you think about the wires and electronics of it instead of thinking of it as a 'computer' per se |
| 03:28.23 | mk4t | most useful assembly these days is embedded work anyway |
| 03:28.33 | mk4t | but those chips are so old and slow I'm sure there are emulators |
| 03:29.14 | mk4t | the actual 6502 chip probably costs you less than a dollar |
| 03:29.52 | mk4t | they should still make kits for that stuff |
| 03:30.16 | mk4t | you could make a great kit people could assemble and learn from but the whole kit hobbiest industry has seen better days |
| 03:32.35 | mk4t | corewars is fun but redcode is not really like anychip you would see |
| 03:32.48 | jjbenham | mk4t: thats sound really cool but I don't even know where to begin. |
| 03:32.55 | mk4t | circular memory and nothing but relative addressing |
| 03:34.46 | mk4t | http://www.zophar.net/6502.html has some stuff although most of them aren't portable |
| 03:35.33 | mk4t | I don't know any quick solution, assembly isn't hard but its hard to get started in |
| 03:37.23 | mk4t | there was some stuff on ibm's website about ppc assembly |
| 03:37.56 | mk4t | but like I said its easiest to start learning on a chip from 1980 so you can see how the chips and instruction sets evolved |
| 03:39.48 | jjbenham | mk4t: I read through the IBM ppc stuff. It all pretty much made sence to me |
| 03:40.36 | mk4t | see the only complicated things is figuring out all the different addressing modes and whatnot |
| 03:41.22 | jjbenham | There seems to be a fairly okay tutorial for the ppc here: |
| 03:41.23 | jjbenham | http://www.lightsoft.co.uk/Fantasm/fant.html |
| 03:41.39 | mk4t | other than that assembly is basic logic branching and arithmetic |
| 03:42.06 | mk4t | I actually want to learn ppc, I've never messed with it |
| 03:42.26 | jjbenham | This requires osX but it is under the GPL |
| 03:42.42 | jjbenham | the lightsoft/LIDE assembler that is |
| 03:43.52 | mk4t | yeah I don't have osX so I would have to figure out how to do it with gcc |
| 03:44.02 | jjbenham | I get so confused about storing register information loading it and what happens when you send different data values to R0 and R1 and so on |
| 03:44.31 | jjbenham | yeah I played around with that on my Zaurus gcc -S and so on. |
| 03:45.17 | mk4t | I think the idea is that different subroutines expect their parameters in different registers and can return values to different registers |
| 03:45.52 | mk4t | but I never really learned much about assembly within an operating system |
| 03:46.10 | mk4t | I think there are different rules you have to follow to play nice with the OS |
| 03:46.19 | mk4t | have to know the syscalls |
| 03:46.53 | mk4t | and which registers to set for which syscalls |
| 03:46.57 | mk4t | and where to get return values |
| 03:47.36 | jjbenham | yeah I noticed function calls when I would view the assembly from various c programs |
| 03:47.58 | jjbenham | I eventually want to get to the point that I can decompile binaries and rewrite it in c |
| 03:48.15 | mk4t | hmm |
| 03:48.36 | mk4t | well good luck that is as much an art as a skill I imagine |
| 03:48.58 | jjbenham | I think that is probably illegal but I figure as long as I keep most of it to my self or people I trust i would be fine |
| 03:49.30 | mk4t | fuck the dmca its our right to reverse engineer |
| 03:49.45 | jjbenham | Thats the way I feel |
| 03:49.54 | jjbenham | hey gotta go I will chat with you later |
| 03:50.01 | mk4t | later |
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| 05:52.32 | sloopy | simonrvn: ping |
| 05:52.39 | simonrvn | sloopy: pong |
| 05:53.27 | sloopy | can you try something for me? i need a file but the web page crashed mozilla on my machine... |
| 05:53.35 | sloopy | http://www.promise.com/support/download/download2_eng.asp?productId=97&category=driver&os=3 |
| 05:55.35 | sloopy | simonrvn: ? |
| 05:56.08 | simonrvn | asp? *sigh*. ok:) |
| 05:56.31 | simonrvn | loads in links -g ok |
| 05:56.46 | simonrvn | http://www.promise.com/support/file/driver/1_satarhb11.zip |
| 05:56.53 | simonrvn | http://www.promise.com/support/file/driver/1_SATA150 TX2plus RedHat 7.3-8.0 V1.00.0.6.zip |
| 06:00.04 | sloopy | simonrvn: ty |
| 06:00.17 | simonrvn | :) |
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