| 00:29.17 | thebug | anyone know how to tell gtk2 apps -not- to do antialiasing? <I'm running a gtk2 app on a machine without the RENDER extension, and all I get is crap instead of readable fonts> |
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| 00:52.29 | simonrvn | GDK_USE_XFT=1 |
| 00:52.37 | thebug | ah! |
| 00:52.40 | simonrvn | uh, =0 |
| 00:52.44 | thebug | many thanks :) |
| 00:53.13 | thebug | hmm still garbled |
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| 01:22.46 | trashmatic | anyone have experience using distcc with x86 machines to compile for ppc? |
| 01:22.59 | thebug | aye |
| 01:23.10 | thebug | piece o' cake |
| 01:23.11 | trashmatic | heh... um, how do you do it? |
| 01:23.26 | trashmatic | i have distcc set up, but the compiles from the athlon box fail |
| 01:23.47 | thebug | build a cross compiler, install it, install distcc on both boxes, compile stuff with CC='distcc powerpc-linux-gcc' |
| 01:24.05 | thebug | hardest part is the cross compiler |
| 01:24.29 | trashmatic | yeah... that involves building gcc from source? |
| 01:24.35 | thebug | indeed |
| 01:24.44 | thebug | give me a second, I've got some good stuff on how to do that |
| 01:24.54 | trashmatic | ok, thanks |
| 01:25.08 | thebug | I used some scripts called crosstools |
| 01:25.15 | thebug | err crosstool |
| 01:25.35 | thebug | if you want to be really lazy, I've got a tarball of my last xcc build |
| 01:26.11 | trashmatic | eh, that's ok, i like to do things myself and learn in the process |
| 01:26.18 | thebug | I understand |
| 01:26.31 | thebug | give me a sec, I'll put the whole lot of useful stuff in one directory |
| 01:26.42 | thebug | and put it on the web |
| 01:26.47 | trashmatic | hey, sweet |
| 01:27.28 | thebug | I use my 3ghz P4 to help my 350mhz G3 out a little |
| 01:27.40 | thebug | and/or help my 133mhz 604 RS/6K out |
| 01:28.20 | trashmatic | haha yeah... i was sitting there with my 233mhz powerbook compiling next to my 2ghz athlon... i was like, this isn't right... |
| 01:28.35 | thebug | I assume you know how to set up distcc then |
| 01:29.05 | trashmatic | yes, it seems to find the x86 box and communicate and everything |
| 01:29.30 | trashmatic | it just comes back with "compile from 192.168.100 failed", so i think i just need the cross compiler set up |
| 01:29.36 | thebug | ok, what you want to do on the powerpc machine is symlink all the binutils and gcc/g++ to powerpc-linux-<whatever> in somewhere like /usr/local/bin |
| 01:30.06 | thebug | this includes ar,as,ranlib,ld,objcopy, whatever else |
| 01:30.16 | thebug | then it'll work on both machines correctly |
| 01:30.41 | trashmatic | ok |
| 01:30.58 | thebug | acm.cse.msu.edu/xcc |
| 01:31.18 | thebug | <I also put the prebuilt toolchain there if you can't get crosstools to work right> |
| 01:31.57 | thebug | if you grab all the stuff but the prebuilt toolchain, untar crosstools somewhere, copy the other files into the crosstools dir and do ./buildit.sh, you should end up with a powerpc-linux- toolchain in results/ |
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| 01:32.33 | thebug | <I've also got a prebuilt linux/x86->linux/sparc toolchain if that's useful to anyone> |
| 01:32.42 | trashmatic | ok, and just copy all that to /usr/bin/, right? |
| 01:32.49 | thebug | ?! |
| 01:32.56 | thebug | just copy what all to /usr/bin? |
| 01:32.59 | trashmatic | the toolchain in results/ |
| 01:33.06 | thebug | I put mine in /opt |
| 01:33.20 | thebug | keeps from interfering with dpkg's territory |
| 01:33.56 | thebug | make sure you include it in the path before invoking distccd, regardless of where you put it |
| 01:34.14 | trashmatic | ok |
| 01:34.23 | thebug | btw, you need to be building it with a gcc3.3+ compiler, iirc |
| 01:34.40 | thebug | nah |
| 01:34.45 | thebug | it's really arbitrary |
| 01:35.08 | simonrvn | /usr/sparc32/bin ;) |
| 01:35.26 | thebug | eh simonrvn ? |
| 01:35.43 | simonrvn | i used to put stuff like that in their own section |
| 01:35.53 | thebug | yeah |
| 01:36.04 | simonrvn | kept it clear in my head what was what |
| 01:36.13 | thebug | I got lazy and started putting anything I built m'self in /opt |
| 01:36.25 | thebug | all my xcc's are in /opt/xcc/<arch-os> |
| 01:36.33 | simonrvn | that works too |
| 01:36.52 | simonrvn | TMTOWTDI |
| 01:36.52 | thebug | I don't like polluting /usr with random stuff I compile |
| 01:36.59 | thebug | very much so |
| 01:37.12 | thebug | :) |
| 01:37.39 | simonrvn | i put stuff either in /usr/local, or make a .deb for it |
| 01:37.39 | thebug | I think gnu stow might fit my way of working with this stuff well |
| 01:37.47 | simonrvn | i think so |
| 01:37.56 | thebug | well yeah /usr/local can have my random stuff too |
| 01:38.01 | simonrvn | i never had the patience to learn it well |
| 01:38.06 | simonrvn | stow, i mean |
| 01:38.24 | thebug | I keep stuff that people generally won't use in /opt though, stuff like cross-compilers, whereas stuff in/usr/local/bin is in their path normally |
| 01:38.41 | simonrvn | hm, yeh |
| 01:39.04 | thebug | obviously there's no Right Way (TM) |
| 01:39.06 | thebug | :) |
| 01:39.12 | simonrvn | well, snort is finally building |
| 01:39.43 | thebug | what ever happened to Stampede Linux? |
| 01:39.48 | simonrvn | no idea |
| 01:39.59 | thebug | wasn't that another PPC dist, or am I just out of it? |
| 01:40.18 | simonrvn | no idea :) |
| 01:40.19 | thebug | maybe it was x86 |
| 01:40.26 | trashmatic | wow, the script automatically downloads and everything. i was thinking, "there's no way this is enough source" |
| 01:40.43 | thebug | yep, ain't it spiffy trashmatic :) |
| 01:41.06 | thebug | binutils,gcc,glibc, and even kernel, though I don't trust what it builds for kernels |
| 01:41.09 | simonrvn | what's this for, dpkg-cross? |
| 01:41.52 | thebug | apparently stampede is x86 |
| 01:42.05 | thebug | man, that thing's been gone a while, if I'm remembering right |
| 01:44.47 | simonrvn | my 604e is slow, but does the job ;) |
| 01:47.57 | trashmatic | hmm... script = spiffy... running out of disk space = not spiffy |
| 01:48.04 | thebug | heh |
| 01:48.28 | thebug | yeah, you need just a bit, considering that you're basically building everything for a system, including the library portion of userland |
| 01:48.39 | trashmatic | i just nuked a couple old kernel trees, though, and that helped |
| 01:57.15 | shadows | radium water |
| 01:57.22 | thebug | tasty |
| 01:57.41 | thebug | I like to drink when I'm eating paint chips |
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| 02:07.12 | shadows | drink the paint |
| 02:07.42 | thebug | shadows: having a good day? ;) |
| 02:07.54 | shadows | not glad you asked |
| 02:08.10 | thebug | why? I thought you got the nubus adapter you were looking for? |
| 02:08.18 | shadows | nope |
| 02:08.36 | shadows | i just got the shipper number, so i can return the 2 parts they sent and assured me would be correct |
| 02:08.46 | shadows | but those parts were not correct |
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| 02:36.32 | trashmatic | do you all can i suspend my powerbook in the middle of a kernel compile, or will that just ruin everything? |
| 02:36.52 | trashmatic | do you all think i can, even |
| 02:37.00 | simonrvn | depends |
| 02:37.15 | chrisa | Likely depends on what the compiler is doing at the time |
| 02:37.52 | shadows | depends on the clock |
| 02:38.00 | shadows | clock skew = broken kernel build every time |
| 02:38.30 | simonrvn | depends on the video h/w too |
| 02:38.31 | trashmatic | hmm... i think the battery should last 30 mins on 100% cpu... enough to drive to the other house and plug in... maybe |
| 02:38.37 | trashmatic | might have to speed a bit |
| 02:38.46 | trashmatic | what an excuse that would make |
| 02:39.42 | trashmatic | what if i just close the lid on a module i'll never, ever use |
| 02:40.11 | simonrvn | you can always stop the build, and continue after you get home |
| 02:40.20 | simonrvn | just don't make clean |
| 02:40.29 | trashmatic | just ctrl-c? that'll be ok? |
| 02:40.52 | simonrvn | it's what i said |
| 02:41.02 | trashmatic | heh ok, thanks |