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| 00:29.28 | SFaulken | ok, anybody in here got experience with 7500's and Linux? I have a bootloader issue.... |
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| 00:34.22 | afaik | no one... |
| 00:34.40 | shadows | not i |
| 00:34.47 | afaik | pit was I |
| 00:34.51 | afaik | it was even |
| 00:35.07 | SFaulken | why do I have a feeling this is gonna get ugly.... |
| 00:35.29 | afaik | oh, it's just beginning |
| 00:35.38 | SFaulken | because I'm sure there's no way in hell I'm gonna get enough of System7.5, bootx, and a kernel on a floppy..... |
| 00:36.01 | shadows | oh |
| 00:36.05 | shadows | give miBoot at ry |
| 00:36.07 | shadows | a try |
| 00:36.18 | shadows | and boot from a zip 100 |
| 00:36.39 | SFaulken | hrmmmmmmm, no, can't do that.... |
| 00:36.46 | SFaulken | only ZIP drive I have is ATAPI |
| 00:36.58 | SFaulken | well, and an ancient old parallel model... |
| 00:37.35 | SFaulken | wonder if I can do that with the utilities image.... |
| 00:38.13 | trashmatic | damn shadow, i was tearing my hair out a month ago due to the exact same issue... i just resigned myself to using all my audio apps as root |
| 00:43.32 | shadows | trashmatic, yeah |
| 00:43.39 | shadows | like i said, this is great |
| 00:43.46 | shadows | i use JACK for everything now |
| 00:43.56 | shadows | and i'm pissed off that RealPlayer doesn't support it |
| 00:46.38 | chrisa | You're running audio apps.... as root... |
| 00:46.44 | chrisa | Why would you do that? |
| 00:47.10 | shadows | chrisa, whom do you speak of |
| 00:47.37 | chrisa | trashmatic |
| 00:53.14 | Stereo | indeed, why would you run most things as root? |
| 00:54.01 | shadows | JACK requires privelleges for realtime |
| 00:54.15 | shadows | so... you'd end up running JACK as root |
| 00:54.36 | shadows | and then, the only way for applications to connect to JACK is to run those as root too |
| 00:54.40 | Stereo | can't you add the program to a group? It sucks |
| 00:54.45 | shadows | ? |
| 00:54.59 | shadows | is Stereo a troll? |
| 00:56.45 | Stereo | no, just a cynic |
| 00:56.54 | shadows | um |
| 00:57.18 | thebug | Stereo TrollBot 2.0 ;) |
| 00:57.20 | shadows | suffixing "It sucks" doth not a cynic make |
| 00:59.43 | Stereo | hey. A bit of respect for the elderly. I was here before you even had dsl. |
| 00:59.59 | thebug | hehe |
| 01:00.32 | shadows | old stupid people are the worst |
| 01:00.56 | shadows | 50 points if by car, 100 if by train |
| 01:01.12 | simonrvn | @lart shadows |
| 01:01.28 | shadows | 6 if by bicycle, but you have the option of kicking them while they're down for an additional 15 points |
| 01:03.45 | shadows | !britsmite simonrvn |
| 01:04.29 | thebug | mumble mumble vegemite fish 'n chips |
| 01:04.59 | thebug | but why britsmite simonrvn? that makes no sense |
| 01:07.33 | chrisa | ? |
| 01:07.38 | chrisa | er, ignore that |
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| 01:59.25 | trashmatic | ok, this is really suck-ass, dudes |
| 01:59.49 | trashmatic | i cannot mount my mac partition anymore, so i can't do anything with bootX |
| 02:00.45 | trashmatic | there's got to be _some way_ to mount the damn partition... maybe? all i have are OS 8.6 and debian.. no OS X |
| 02:04.17 | shadows | OS 7.5 is free |
| 02:04.33 | shadows | you could try xhfs |
| 02:04.38 | shadows | from hfsprogs |
| 02:04.48 | thebug | 7.5 doesn't read hfs+, iirc |
| 02:05.49 | shadows | oh |
| 02:05.52 | shadows | then you're stuck |
| 02:05.59 | trashmatic | oh, i dont know if i explained myself clearly... i've got os 8.6 and debian on here... my os 8 partition apparently got unmounted uncleanly, or whatever |
| 02:06.24 | trashmatic | so now mount refuses to mount it RW, and tells me to run fsck.hfsplus |
| 02:06.28 | thebug | oh, I thought you mentioned that your os 8 slice was hfs+ |
| 02:06.45 | trashmatic | which conveniently doesn't exits |
| 02:08.19 | trashmatic | so i'm really in a bind, because i need to get a new kernel up to bootX, but i can't write to the mac partition |
| 02:08.47 | thebug | boot os8 and run disk first aid maybe? |
| 02:09.07 | thebug | that might clean the 'unclean' flag or whatever |
| 02:09.22 | thebug | err clear the unclean flag :) |
| 02:09.40 | trashmatic | hmm.. ok, i'll try that. didnt know that existed, never actually used MacOS lol |
| 02:09.50 | trashmatic | i prefer "evil bit" |
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| 02:10.13 | skel | alo :) |
| 02:10.19 | thebug | believe it's apps->utils->dfa |
| 02:10.41 | skel | anyone have any really cheap ideas for remote console management? |
| 02:10.55 | thebug | a used portmaster? |
| 02:11.13 | Stereo | skel: the old p2 you have in the attic? |
| 02:11.33 | thebug | yeah, any old PC running sshd, minicom, and screen will do that trick |
| 02:11.41 | Stereo | the quadra 700 you played shuffle puck on? |
| 02:11.54 | Stereo | but consider the coost of electricity on the long term |
| 02:12.03 | skel | heheh.. for a data-center |
| 02:12.34 | skel | lantronix and the likes are out of our budget.. |
| 02:12.45 | skel | :( |
| 02:12.50 | skel | cheap ass owners |
| 02:13.27 | thebug | a pc with a bunch of keyspan usb->rs232 might do it, if you need a couple of connections |
| 02:13.53 | skel | yeah.. a "couple" :-P as in couple hundred |
| 02:13.56 | trashmatic | eeegghhh |
| 02:14.00 | skel | heheh |
| 02:14.01 | thebug | uhh that |
| 02:14.04 | thebug | 's a few :) |
| 02:14.09 | trashmatic | disk first aid says everything's peachy |
| 02:14.11 | skel | lol a few |
| 02:14.21 | thebug | trashmatic: check under linux now that you've run dfa |
| 02:17.44 | trashmatic | noop |
| 02:18.09 | trashmatic | i guess its time to reformat... |
| 02:18.53 | trashmatic | unless there's a way to hack mount to just mount the damn thing in RW mode anyway |
| 02:19.03 | trashmatic | but i can't find anything to that effect |
| 02:26.09 | trashmatic | http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20040206234735.GC2771%40werewolf.able.es.lucky.linux.kernel&output=gplain |
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| 02:45.58 | |Fo|Ns | hi |
| 02:46.29 | |Fo|Ns | I'm a x86 user who is about buying a powerbook ... |
| 02:47.24 | |Fo|Ns | Ive been looking through the internet looking for what issues could I have when instlling GNU/Linux |
| 02:48.22 | |Fo|Ns | It looks like the biggest problems are the Airport and the graphics card |
| 02:49.37 | |Fo|Ns | does anyone have any warning or advice? thanks :) |
| 02:51.09 | skel | |Fo|Ns: warning: do not get the airport extreme for use with linux |
| 02:52.52 | |Fo|Ns | thanks skel |
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| 02:56.48 | skel | np |
| 02:57.05 | skel | other than that I hear the pbooks work nicely |
| 02:57.11 | skel | I have an older ibook myseld |
| 02:57.14 | skel | *self |
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| 03:25.19 | trashmatic | don't you just hate those lint balls that look like big hairy spiders? |
| 03:32.32 | skel | i much rather like them than the actuall big harry spider =P |
| 04:18.42 | simonrvn | at least big hairy spiders are cute in their own way |
| 04:18.58 | simonrvn | big hairy lint balls are just big hairy lint balls |
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| 06:40.21 | trashmatic | haha this is beautiful |
| 06:40.56 | trashmatic | using the apple sources and ardistech's patches, i've got a working fsck.hfsplus for linux |
| 06:41.45 | trashmatic | if someone has some webspace i could send you the binary in case this issue comes up for anyone else |
| 06:42.11 | trashmatic | i don't know what the liscensing issues are, what with the APSL and all. need to check that out |
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| 06:54.11 | trashmatic | heh... now it looks like that fsck program wasn't really needed |
| 06:54.17 | trashmatic | hpmount, people |
| 06:55.12 | trashmatic | is there a wiki somewhere to put this stuff in? |
| 07:01.46 | simonrvn | trashmatic: i'd prefer you send up the sources, i'll send it up here. |
| 07:02.06 | trashmatic | i mean really, i'm not even done setting up my powerbook, but i've learned so much from badgering people around here and googling my ass off, that i'd like to be able to document this in a usable form |
| 07:02.43 | simonrvn | email me, and i'll set up an account for you at my wiki |
| 07:03.08 | trashmatic | simonrvn: okay, i'll tarball the patched source tree and send it up... gimme a sec, gotta boot the laptop |
| 07:05.35 | simonrvn | trashmatic: i'll give you a dummy password that you can change afterwards; set up a cgi so you can, it won't take very long once i have your account name |
| 07:07.28 | trashmatic | simonvrn: damnit, the laptop is screwed again... more work on the kernel config :/ |
| 07:08.04 | trashmatic | i'll get it to you as soon as i can... just via e-mail attachment? |
| 07:09.02 | simonrvn | ok, well, you can send me your desired account name in the meantime... the reason i'm doing it this way is that i haven't written the script to edit the LDAP directory that manages the wiki users yet |
| 07:10.48 | trashmatic | heheh LDAP... whenever someone mentions LDAP or Samba my brain seizes up |
| 07:11.11 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:23.48 | trashmatic | i think it would be cool to have an official channel wiki with only powerpc-specific information |
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| 07:24.19 | simonrvn | trashmatic: that's the idea for mine. hasn't caught on though. oh well :) |
| 07:24.24 | trashmatic | with general info for things like this HFS issue, and subsections for various mac models |
| 07:24.42 | simonrvn | part of my own site has some stuff, but it's static |
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| 07:32.06 | simonrvn | i should get to writing that script... it's the tying in with the twiki auth/user reggie part i have to figure out |
| 07:33.23 | simonrvn | like folks can get an account on the wiki, but they have to have an account first, via ldap, then they'll be able to login, otherwise it won't work. i'll look into that (again) after my cron.daily finishes |
| 07:33.43 | trashmatic | cool |
| 07:33.47 | trashmatic | i can |
| 07:33.58 | trashmatic | 't do much more on this tonight |
| 07:34.22 | trashmatic | got to go to sleep, class at 8 tomorrow... i mean, today :p |
| 07:34.23 | simonrvn | trashmatic: um as to the code, just email me the tarball or something |
| 07:34.30 | simonrvn | heh, ok. good night |
| 07:34.34 | trashmatic | ok, will do |
| 07:34.41 | trashmatic | cya |
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