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| 00:02.27 | peterrooney | pahartik: gah, tried ati, atimisc, with and without kernel fb interface (via dpkg-reconfigure). All just flashed the screen three times and failed back to console. |
| 00:03.22 | peterrooney | pahartik: nothing has worked except using the fbvdev driver and the kernel fb interface. |
| 00:03.51 | peterrooney | pahartik: and yes, I checked inside XF86Config-4 to see that the changes were made correctly. |
| 00:04.20 | peterrooney | pahartik: maybe this is just a bum card for ppc linux? |
| 00:05.40 | pahartik | peterrooney: hmmm, also tried ATI driver with... "UseFBDev"? |
| 00:06.17 | pahartik | peterrooney: damn that... |
| 00:07.09 | pahartik | peterrooney: what did you get as error message, if any, after this "flashing"? |
| 00:09.04 | peterrooney | no error message - oh, damn. I should have copied the files from /var/log, shouldn't I ? |
| 00:09.54 | pahartik | peterrooney: maybe it would reveal something... |
| 00:10.53 | peterrooney | pahartik: At least I'm getting good at answering the dpkg-reconfigure questions! |
| 00:11.51 | peterrooney | pahartik: back in a moment (maybe i should learn to use dsirc instead of ksirc) |
| 00:18.57 | shadows | on an adapter with AAUI *and* TP ... how do i select one? |
| 00:20.39 | pahartik | shadows: "modinfo" shows parameters? |
| 00:23.08 | Mr_Miyagi | is there any difference in the availability of applications for debian on ppc compared to on x86? |
| 00:23.21 | Raoul_Duke | bootX allow to boot MkLinux img |
| 00:23.37 | Raoul_Duke | where should I put MkLinux images ? |
| 00:23.45 | Mr_Miyagi | is it debian unstable I should choose if I want the newest software...and how "unstable" is it? |
| 00:24.14 | chrisa | Refer to it as "sid" |
| 00:24.24 | chrisa | Then you don't need to worry if it matches its namesake |
| 00:27.55 | shadows | pahartik, it shows no parmeters |
| 00:28.14 | Mr_Miyagi | ok |
| 00:28.23 | shadows | i'm browsing through the source in the kernel |
| 00:28.27 | shadows | it's overwhelming |
| 00:28.35 | shadows | but it is an Asante card |
| 00:28.36 | shadows | errr... |
| 00:28.37 | shadows | no |
| 00:28.40 | shadows | let me check |
| 00:29.17 | Mr_Miyagi | but is there any difference in the availability of applications in debianppc? |
| 00:31.24 | shadows | pahartik, the driver does't really identify the card, it does probe the memory address |
| 00:31.26 | pahartik | Mr_Miyagi: very little difference, for free software |
| 00:31.36 | Mr_Miyagi | ok, that's good |
| 00:34.34 | Mr_Miyagi | Well, gonna check out some other options for ppc, but I'll probably recommend my friend debian |
| 00:34.54 | Mr_Miyagi | unless he wants something easier |
| 00:35.18 | pahartik | shadows: if you look at "http://packages.debian.org/testing/", you can see for which architectures each package has been built... |
| 00:36.09 | shadows | what in the hell |
| 00:36.32 | pahartik | shadows: ok, not you |
| 00:36.38 | pahartik | Mr_Miyagi: if you look at "http://packages.debian.org/testing/", you can see for which architectures each package has been built... |
| 00:36.59 | Mr_Miyagi | thx |
| 00:38.54 | pahartik | Mr_Miyagi: and for person not well familiar with Unix, "testing" is much more safe than "unstable" |
| 00:39.10 | shadows | true that |
| 00:39.33 | shadows | debian uses a three (3) tier system for quality assurance and distribution grouping |
| 00:40.08 | shadows | from order of oldest/safest to newest/experimental: stable, testing, unstable |
| 00:40.33 | shadows | at some point names are handed out |
| 00:40.40 | shadows | today, stable is "woody" |
| 00:40.54 | shadows | today, testing is "sarge" |
| 00:41.02 | shadows | today, unstable is "sid" |
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| 00:41.15 | Mr_Miyagi | ok |
| 00:41.24 | Mr_Miyagi | confused by allt the names :) |
| 00:41.31 | Mr_Miyagi | well sarge it is then |
| 00:41.45 | shadows | when sarge becomes considered stable, they move the names up ( woody would be obsolete, stable would be sarge, testing would be sid, and ??? new name for unstable) |
| 00:41.47 | Mr_Miyagi | wasn't there one called potato |
| 00:41.51 | shadows | yes |
| 00:42.01 | shadows | potato became phased out obsolete when woody turned stable |
| 00:42.06 | Mr_Miyagi | ok |
| 00:42.11 | shadows | potato used to be the old stable |
| 00:42.20 | shadows | and before it, i forget the name |
| 00:42.25 | Mr_Miyagi | why not use numbers instead...this is like the chinese calender ;) |
| 00:42.35 | shadows | numbers are used, yes |
| 00:42.43 | shadows | but it is confusing with numbers |
| 00:42.49 | shadows | i talk about 3.0, 3.0 what!~? |
| 00:42.56 | Mr_Miyagi | hehe, think it's confusing with the names :) |
| 00:43.00 | shadows | i talk about woody, everyone knows what i'm talking about |
| 00:43.23 | shadows | Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 is woody stable |
| 00:43.34 | Mr_Miyagi | ok |
| 00:43.34 | pahartik | Mr_Miyagi: it is also possible to use packages from "stable", "testing" and "unstable" once you are familiar with package management |
| 00:43.37 | shadows | but at some point woody was not stable, it was still testing |
| 00:44.11 | shadows | the number designations are given to a name when it has become stable |
| 00:44.36 | shadows | right now Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 will exist when sarge becomes stable |
| 00:45.07 | Mr_Miyagi | I heard something about developing a new installer for debian...how is this going along? have you heard anything? |
| 00:45.20 | chrisa | Mr_Miyagi: it's in rc1, #debian-boot |
| 00:45.42 | shadows | the new installer has some trouble, but i like it much more than the old way |
| 00:45.46 | sfire||mouse | I thought sid was always going to be unstable? |
| 00:46.06 | shadows | sfire||mouse, is that a joke |
| 00:46.10 | shadows | i don't know |
| 00:46.18 | shadows | i remember woody being unstable i think |
| 00:46.20 | chrisa | unstable is always codename 'sid' |
| 00:46.25 | shadows | ohh |
| 00:46.26 | chrisa | Always has been |
| 00:46.30 | shadows | i'm mistaken then |
| 00:46.40 | Mr_Miyagi | ok |
| 00:46.48 | shadows | wow learn something new every day |
| 00:46.48 | Mr_Miyagi | but what about potato then? |
| 00:46.52 | chrisa | Current testing 'sarge' will be stable soon, then 'etch' will be the new testing and 'sarge' will replace woody |
| 00:47.01 | chrisa | potato was the old stable |
| 00:47.04 | Mr_Miyagi | ok |
| 00:47.12 | shadows | who comes up with the names? |
| 00:47.14 | chrisa | Or one of them, there have been several (it's on debian.org) |
| 00:47.16 | Mr_Miyagi | hehe |
| 00:47.26 | Mr_Miyagi | wonder what the next name will be |
| 00:47.36 | chrisa | Mr_Miyagi: 'etch' |
| 00:47.46 | chrisa | shadows: They're all from Toy Story, they discuss it on -devel |
| 00:47.58 | Mr_Miyagi | hehe, would be fun to have heard some of their "brainstorming" meetings :) |
| 00:47.58 | shadows | haah |
| 00:48.02 | shadows | i figured toy story |
| 00:48.09 | Mr_Miyagi | why toy story? |
| 00:48.17 | chrisa | shadows: There was a Debian Buzz |
| 00:48.20 | Mr_Miyagi | hehe |
| 00:48.30 | chrisa | Mr_Miyagi: *shrug*, just the way it has always been |
| 00:48.36 | shadows | what was before potato i forget |
| 00:48.56 | shadows | i'm trying to think of debian, and when toy story came out |
| 00:49.03 | Mr_Miyagi | interesting how things get name from tv |
| 00:49.09 | Mr_Miyagi | python for example |
| 00:49.16 | chrisa | slink |
| 00:49.19 | Mr_Miyagi | from monty python's flying cirkus |
| 00:49.20 | shadows | slink! |
| 00:49.31 | chrisa | slink came after hamm |
| 00:49.42 | shadows | i don't remember hamm |
| 00:49.45 | chrisa | http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 00:49.54 | Mr_Miyagi | I am reading a python book right now, fun how all the "foo" and "bar" have become "spam" and "eggs" :D |
| 00:49.59 | shadows | thanks chris |
| 00:50.28 | shadows | hmm now i get the joke |
| 00:50.31 | chrisa | Myagi: pfft, no one uses spam and eggs |
| 00:50.36 | shadows | sid was a very unstable child in the movie |
| 00:50.41 | shadows | problem child |
| 00:50.53 | chrisa | yep |
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| 00:52.06 | Mr_Miyagi | hehe |
| 00:55.42 | Mr_Miyagi | oh shit...3'o'clock |
| 00:55.44 | Mr_Miyagi | gotta go |
| 00:55.48 | Mr_Miyagi | goodnight |
| 00:55.52 | Mr_Miyagi | thx for the help |
| 00:55.56 | Mr_Miyagi | I appreciate it |
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| 02:19.04 | fr0k | I'm wondering if there is any way at all to use the Airport Extreme cards under Linux...any far-fetched method at all? Or is it completely impossible? |
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| 02:20.11 | kimo_sabe | fr0k: doubt it. |
| 02:20.26 | fr0k | :/ |
| 02:20.45 | fr0k | How well do USB wireless adapters work under Linux? I've never had the chance to use any. |
| 02:21.08 | kimo_sabe | fr0k: that's the biggest reason I havn't replaced this old 500Mhz iBook yet. |
| 02:21.35 | kimo_sabe | fr0k: I have heard of people having good luck with some USB adapters, but I don't remember any of the details |
| 02:21.38 | fr0k | My G4 iBook is back on OSX for that one reason, too. I really need wireless. |
| 02:21.51 | fr0k | Alright. I'll go do some research on Google then. |
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| 02:23.32 | tenacious | hello |
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| 02:39.00 | shadows | i love you |
| 02:42.30 | tenacious | I'm not into it shadows, but thanks anyhow. |
| 02:48.14 | kimo_sabe | hmm, a second person escorted out |
| 02:54.56 | tenacious | working on my college admission essay. |
| 02:55.05 | tenacious | My task - In order for the admissions staff of our college to get to know you, the applicant, better, we ask that you answer the following question: Are there any significant experiences you have had, or accomplishments you have realized, that have helped to define you as a person? |
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| 03:45.16 | muse | does anyone know why when I try to recompile my kernel it askes me to update binutils greater than .12 when I have .15 which is more recent? |
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| 03:56.19 | muse | I am kind of concerned that my fan stopped working in osX |
| 03:56.31 | muse | It works in linux |
| 03:56.54 | muse | but I need to recompile the kernel to get my modem to work in linux |
| 04:00.24 | shadows | sloopster |
| 04:01.18 | sloopy | shadows: yo |
| 04:02.19 | shadows | sloopy, SWIM driver by Laurent |
| 04:02.22 | shadows | 68k |
| 04:02.23 | shadows | rejoyce |
| 04:02.27 | shadows | oh... |
| 04:02.29 | sloopy | wahoo! |
| 04:02.39 | sloopy | is it more then just IOP machines? |
| 04:02.43 | shadows | sloopy, i got the driver to load for the nubus 10mbit card i put in my 6116cd |
| 04:02.47 | shadows | gave it an IP address |
| 04:02.57 | shadows | tried pinging another box on the network, no dice |
| 04:03.01 | shadows | it don't work |
| 04:03.29 | sloopy | dat REALLY sucks... |
| 04:03.38 | shadows | heh heh |
| 04:03.52 | shadows | you know i thought i was home free when i finally got the friggin bracket |
| 04:04.16 | shadows | i have a 10mbit card with 8390 chipset |
| 04:04.28 | shadows | and a 10/100mbit card that has a mac8190 chipset |
| 04:04.31 | shadows | errr |
| 04:04.37 | shadows | smc8190 |
| 04:04.53 | shadows | the 10/100 card when i load the driver the box locks up hard |
| 04:05.03 | shadows | i'm going to concentrate my efforts making the 10/100 card work |
| 04:07.27 | shadows | Laurent Viver is my temple of awesomeness I worship |
| 04:08.15 | sloopy | hmmm 10/100 cards for nubus are VERY rare... |
| 04:08.34 | shadows | oh? i know a guy who has a huge stockpile of them |
| 04:08.39 | shadows | not personally |
| 04:08.45 | sloopy | i know the 8390 chipset was in alot of nubus enet cards and is very stable on a m68k nubus machine... |
| 04:08.54 | shadows | hm |