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| 01:06.26 | jnc | O_o |
| 01:06.40 | jnc | i didn't think this channel had operators |
| 01:06.55 | chrisa | That's a silly assumption |
| 01:07.16 | jnc | i'm a silly person |
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| 01:33.46 | sourdough | we only have bastard operators |
| 01:36.58 | Sam-I-Am | from hell? heh |
| 01:37.00 | Sam-I-Am | sup sourdough |
| 01:37.14 | jnc | sourdough: i think : is a bastard operator |
| 01:37.24 | jnc | i will have none of it in my code |
| 01:38.54 | Sam-I-Am | but the : is a fun shortcut :P |
| 01:40.07 | Sam-I-Am | i'm trying to get a umax c500 booting |
| 01:41.49 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am hey |
| 01:42.09 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am out of curiosity, does Solaris have sane tty defaults? |
| 01:42.46 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am or is it like HP-FUX which optimizes for terminals made over 30 years ago lacking a control key |
| 01:43.14 | Sam-I-Am | serial console or vty? |
| 01:43.20 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am any |
| 01:43.32 | Sam-I-Am | never given me a problem |
| 01:43.41 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am if you telnet to a HP-FUX box # is erase and @ is kill |
| 01:43.49 | sourdough | so if you have those in your password your screwed |
| 01:43.53 | Sam-I-Am | haha |
| 01:44.07 | Sam-I-Am | yeah, any control shiz on solaris is actually ^+char |
| 01:44.10 | sourdough | its fixable for everything but console via /dev/ttyconf, but still |
| 01:44.42 | sourdough | tried to fix it on console via gettydefs, but i can't find a way to get that working right |
| 01:44.52 | sourdough | seems you can't change erase and kill via that file |
| 01:45.05 | Sam-I-Am | this umax is interesting - it loads quik, apparently loads the kernel (spinning character), but then gets a default catch as soon as the kernel touches /valkyrie |
| 01:45.21 | sourdough | mm fun |
| 01:45.31 | Sam-I-Am | yeah, because its read the kernel fine |
| 01:45.38 | Sam-I-Am | so i dont think its an OF problem, per se |
| 01:45.47 | sourdough | you using serial terminal? |
| 01:45.54 | Sam-I-Am | yeah |
| 01:46.08 | Sam-I-Am | OF gives me a claim failed error if i have the output going to the screen |
| 01:46.11 | Sam-I-Am | not sure how it matters |
| 01:46.13 | Sam-I-Am | but it does |
| 01:46.16 | sourdough | tell the kernel to use serial console and ignore the fucked video card |
| 01:46.33 | Sam-I-Am | console=ttyS0 or ttya ? |
| 01:46.39 | sourdough | ttyS0 |
| 01:46.45 | Sam-I-Am | i'll do that next |
| 01:46.46 | sourdough | might need a speed arg too |
| 01:46.56 | sourdough | ttyS0,96008n1 or so |
| 01:47.00 | Sam-I-Am | ,38400 |
| 01:47.02 | sourdough | whatever speed OF uses |
| 01:47.06 | Sam-I-Am | because umax decided to make OF 38400 |
| 01:47.09 | sourdough | ah |
| 01:47.13 | Sam-I-Am | which took me some time to figure out |
| 01:47.18 | sourdough | yeah |
| 01:47.25 | Sam-I-Am | its like... <enter> #@$%@#$%@#$% ... <enter> $#%#@$^@#$^ |
| 01:47.27 | Sam-I-Am | hmmm.. |
| 01:47.30 | sourdough | heh |
| 01:47.33 | Sam-I-Am | so i poked around |
| 01:47.44 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am does solaris have sane terminfo defs? |
| 01:47.46 | Sam-I-Am | yes |
| 01:47.55 | Sam-I-Am | doesnt seem to know about things like rxvt though |
| 01:47.56 | sourdough | those are fucked in hp too |
| 01:48.01 | Sam-I-Am | but vt100 works when in doubt |
| 01:48.13 | sourdough | well we need working viewpoint and prism |
| 01:48.22 | Sam-I-Am | or i just bind my shell and terminals to ncurses, which has its own terminfo |
| 01:48.30 | sourdough | heh |
| 01:48.38 | Sam-I-Am | got lots o free machine lately |
| 01:48.56 | Sam-I-Am | the beige g3 rev3 being the most fun - OF 2.4 is fux0r3d |
| 01:49.04 | sourdough | ewww |
| 01:49.08 | sourdough | you had one of those before |
| 01:49.12 | Sam-I-Am | you'd think since 2.0f1 works with quik just fine, 2.4 would |
| 01:49.18 | Sam-I-Am | my old one is 2.0f1, and it works |
| 01:49.20 | sourdough | you might think that |
| 01:49.25 | sourdough | but you would be wrong |
| 01:49.29 | Sam-I-Am | i was wrong |
| 01:49.34 | Sam-I-Am | never assume anything with apple hw |
| 01:49.46 | sourdough | unless the asumption is that something is broken |
| 01:49.50 | Sam-I-Am | haha |
| 01:49.57 | sourdough | works for HP too |
| 01:50.02 | Sam-I-Am | well, i finally figure out how to consistently get the OF2.4 machine working with quik |
| 01:50.08 | Sam-I-Am | of course, scsi only, ide is a no-go |
| 01:50.17 | sourdough | yeah |
| 01:50.21 | sourdough | forget ide on oldworld |
| 01:50.30 | sourdough | its garbage anyway, will eat your data |
| 01:50.36 | Sam-I-Am | which is why i found this umax interesting - it does *something* with ide... so i wonder if they actually fixed some crap in OF |
| 01:50.47 | sourdough | i think they did |
| 01:50.55 | sourdough | not much though |
| 01:51.31 | Sam-I-Am | well, if the console= thing doesnt work i'll probably try scsi |
| 01:52.02 | Sam-I-Am | the umax isnt half bad 603@240 |
| 01:52.26 | sourdough | eh |
| 01:52.29 | sourdough | weird |
| 01:52.43 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 01:52.54 | Sam-I-Am | tiny form factor, doesnt make much noise |
| 01:52.58 | Sam-I-Am | might be good for a firewall |
| 01:53.03 | sourdough | yeah |
| 01:53.51 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am so you don't happen to know of good getty and login replacements that don't suck? |
| 01:53.59 | Sam-I-Am | on what os? |
| 01:54.04 | sourdough | HP-FUX |
| 01:54.09 | Sam-I-Am | install linux? : |
| 01:54.11 | Sam-I-Am | ) |
| 01:54.24 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am linux doesn't work well on a rp5450 |
| 01:54.30 | Sam-I-Am | i've always had trouble deciding which is worse - hpfux or aix |
| 01:54.35 | sourdough | heh |
| 01:54.39 | sourdough | never touched aix |
| 01:54.56 | Sam-I-Am | aix kinda does its own thing with everything you'd think is standardized |
| 01:55.12 | sourdough | ill be able to fix up most of the bullshit with hp-fux so it will be livable |
| 01:55.35 | Sam-I-Am | what annoys me eternally about ibm hardware is it will only show stupid fucking hex codes on an LED display up until the point it starts X |
| 01:55.38 | sourdough | so far config stuff is fairly normal |
| 01:55.59 | sourdough | heh |
| 01:57.14 | Sam-I-Am | sucks to debug |
| 01:57.22 | sourdough | yeah |
| 01:57.29 | Sam-I-Am | machine booted the other day, then seemed to hang with a "0101100F" code |
| 01:57.32 | sourdough | at least this doesn't force X crap on you |
| 01:57.34 | Sam-I-Am | its like... WTF is that? |
| 01:57.44 | sourdough | oi |
| 01:58.06 | sourdough | not even our series18 is that bad |
| 01:58.16 | Sam-I-Am | and this is a 'modern' machine |
| 01:58.34 | sourdough | it will hang with PLAN E8 0xF0AD |
| 01:58.43 | sourdough | at least you know what system board that is your need to replace |
| 01:59.20 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am modern stuff seems to suck more and more the more `modern' it gets |
| 02:00.16 | Sam-I-Am | i just run sun hardware w/ solaris or, in the case of a firewall, openbsd... when i want something stable and predictable |
| 02:00.40 | sourdough | openbsd has good userspace, but thier kernel seems to be utter shit |
| 02:00.56 | Sam-I-Am | its good for moving packets, but thats about it |
| 02:01.06 | sourdough | if its not doing anything it works, but as soon as you want to serve data or something it dies horribly |
| 02:01.13 | Sam-I-Am | part of the reason the i/o sucks is it mounts all fs sync |
| 02:01.28 | sourdough | yeah |
| 02:01.43 | Sam-I-Am | and i cant figure out why it hasnt adopted some form of journaling |
| 02:01.46 | Sam-I-Am | but its.. theo |
| 02:01.55 | sourdough | don't they have softupdates these days? |
| 02:02.01 | sourdough | not that i was ever impressed by that |
| 02:02.02 | Sam-I-Am | not on o |
| 02:02.05 | Sam-I-Am | free does |
| 02:02.14 | Sam-I-Am | su isn't really journaling |
| 02:02.24 | sourdough | no its not |
| 02:02.28 | sourdough | sort of an alternative |
| 02:02.33 | sourdough | supposedly |
| 02:02.35 | Sam-I-Am | yes |
| 02:02.47 | Sam-I-Am | and i've still had filesystems hork when using it |
| 02:03.07 | sourdough | thats bsd though |
| 02:03.18 | Sam-I-Am | true |
| 02:03.19 | sourdough | `you don't need journalling, you need UPS you fuck' |
| 02:03.36 | Sam-I-Am | or the theo answer to everything 'user error' |
| 02:03.42 | sourdough | as cranky a bastard i am, i should really be a bsd user |
| 02:03.47 | Sam-I-Am | yes! |
| 02:03.50 | sourdough | id fit right in |
| 02:03.52 | Sam-I-Am | especially openbsd |
| 02:04.17 | sourdough | theo == ultimate bastard |
| 02:04.33 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 02:04.39 | demon | heh |
| 02:04.43 | Sam-I-Am | i like pf though |
| 02:04.47 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am you touch 2.6 stuff yet? |
| 02:04.48 | demon | I know a guy who's developed some on obsd |
| 02:04.57 | demon | that's what he's said of theo as well |
| 02:05.00 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am im still not since they seem to have a new policy of never stable |
| 02:05.03 | Sam-I-Am | i'm using it instead of ipf on solaris because ipf seems to lack some ipv6 functionality |
| 02:05.24 | sourdough | demon theo is a legendary ass |
| 02:05.56 | Sam-I-Am | i have 2.6 on this laptop because i needed ipv6 that didnt suck |
| 02:05.57 | demon | yeah, I've heard |
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| 02:06.08 | Sam-I-Am | however, the linux ipv6 userland still sucks |
| 02:06.09 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am is it very reliable yet? |
| 02:06.16 | Sam-I-Am | on x86 it seems to work |
| 02:06.18 | Sam-I-Am | ppc, heh.. |
| 02:06.28 | Sam-I-Am | seems my tcp stack doesnt work on 2.6.8.1 |
| 02:06.34 | Sam-I-Am | so i'm running 2.6.7 at work on the G4 |
| 02:06.43 | demon | I've used 2.6.x to do ipv6 on ppc |
| 02:06.47 | demon | worked fine for me |
| 02:06.47 | sourdough | 2.6.8* was a disaster |
| 02:07.00 | Sam-I-Am | yeah i couldnt figure out what the .1 was about |
| 02:07.12 | Sam-I-Am | but i dont think it was an erases-your-disk version yet |
| 02:07.13 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am nfs fuckory |
| 02:07.16 | Sam-I-Am | i'm waiting for 2.6 to have one of those |
| 02:07.28 | stereo | are we up to 2.6.9 now? |
| 02:07.41 | Sam-I-Am | dunno |
| 02:07.49 | Sam-I-Am | kernel.org might say |
| 02:07.51 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am mount nfs and ka-boom! |
| 02:08.01 | Sam-I-Am | sourdough: i wonder how that snuck out |
| 02:08.05 | sourdough | stereo 2.6.9-final or some such |
| 02:08.10 | Sam-I-Am | then again, i'd also like to know why tcp doesnt work on 2.6.8.1 |
| 02:08.17 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am they deleted fcntl() without fixing nfs |
| 02:08.24 | Sam-I-Am | nice |
| 02:08.39 | Sam-I-Am | arent they not supposed to make major changes to x.even ? |
| 02:08.56 | Sam-I-Am | i remember after they fucked up 2.4 how they promised 2.6 would be good |
| 02:08.58 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am not anymore |
| 02:08.59 | Sam-I-Am | riiiiight |
| 02:09.14 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am the new development model is -mm is like the 2.7 |
| 02:09.28 | Sam-I-Am | i dont know why it isnt difficult to get a stable working x.even out, then start x.even+1 |
| 02:09.30 | sourdough | and they move stuff from that to 2.6 whenever they stop getting user bitching |
| 02:09.46 | sourdough | and 2.6 releases are done whenever the stack of patches gets huge |
| 02:09.54 | sourdough | -pre is gone |
| 02:09.55 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 02:10.06 | sourdough | just random -rc still random release |
| 02:10.45 | sourdough | and public statements like `we don't need to make mainline kernels stable, thats redhat or whoevers job' |
| 02:10.52 | Sam-I-Am | haha |
| 02:10.55 | Sam-I-Am | yeah, redhat stable |
| 02:10.59 | sourdough | morton said that.. |
| 02:11.15 | sourdough | distro kernels have alays sucked |
| 02:11.19 | Sam-I-Am | i wish openbsd would work on these old worlds |
| 02:11.25 | sourdough | except say slackwares who don't fuck with them |
| 02:11.36 | Sam-I-Am | right now its linux or net, and net is more arcane than open i think |
| 02:11.51 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am openbsd are smart enough to not touch oldworld OF dungpile with a 1000 foot cattle prod |
| 02:11.57 | Sam-I-Am | hehe |
| 02:12.07 | Sam-I-Am | well, the folks at netbsd have figured it out enough to boot from CD |
| 02:12.11 | Sam-I-Am | right out of of |
| 02:12.24 | sourdough | not via that macos abortion linux uses? |
| 02:12.24 | Sam-I-Am | i think they just made an xcoff kernel |
| 02:12.26 | sourdough | thats impressive |
| 02:12.31 | Sam-I-Am | yeah its cool |
| 02:12.34 | Sam-I-Am | except... net sucks |
| 02:12.41 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am oldworld OF won't even read data from cds most of the time |
| 02:13.02 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 02:13.08 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am they spend all thier time porting it to toasters and microwaves rather then improve it |
| 02:13.18 | Sam-I-Am | haha |
| 02:13.44 | sourdough | so it runs on everything, but its almost as archaic as HP-FUX |
| 02:14.00 | sourdough | though im sure they at least optimize the tty defaults for terminals made at least 20 years ago |
| 02:14.01 | arcady | but hey, do you really need anything modern on a toaster? |
| 02:14.24 | Sam-I-Am | arcady: my toaster has a microcontroller and display, so i bet it could run netbsd |
| 02:16.59 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am one thing i think ive learned from dealing with hp-ux latly, is where redhat got a lot of thier ideas |
| 02:18.11 | sourdough | thier /etc/syscrapfig is just about a straight copy of hp's /etc/config.d or whatever its called |
| 02:18.32 | Sam-I-Am | yeah |
| 02:18.39 | Sam-I-Am | redhat pulled the worst ideas from other unices |
| 02:18.47 | sourdough | suse's /sbin/init.d comes from hp too |
| 02:18.47 | Sam-I-Am | like... chkconfig came from irix |
| 02:18.54 | sourdough | yeah |
| 02:19.11 | Sam-I-Am | i tried suse once. when i found ls in /usr/lib i went back to slackware. |
| 02:19.21 | sourdough | omg bhahaah |
| 02:19.44 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am did they have 4 levels of symlinks to eventually get thier? |
| 02:19.46 | Sam-I-Am | its bad enough most unices shove sendmail in /usr/lib |
| 02:19.52 | Sam-I-Am | yeah |
| 02:20.13 | sourdough | what really irritates me is echo $PATH on this hp system spews 6 lines of crap |
| 02:20.18 | sourdough | due to the /opt abortion |
| 02:20.18 | Sam-I-Am | haha |
| 02:20.28 | Sam-I-Am | yeah opt is fail |
| 02:21.12 | sourdough | i think im going to create a master /opt/bin with symlinks to all the crap in their so i can have a normal $PATH variable |
| 02:21.19 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 02:21.21 | Sam-I-Am | or use stow |
| 02:21.27 | sourdough | yeah or that |
| 02:21.28 | Sam-I-Am | thats how i've fixed broke opt systems |
| 02:21.30 | sourdough | never tried stow before |
| 02:21.34 | Sam-I-Am | works well |
| 02:21.47 | sourdough | even when the /opt crap was installed from binary .depot packages? |
| 02:22.10 | Sam-I-Am | well, all you tell it is the source dir and where to put the symlinks |
| 02:22.39 | sourdough | so it just looks under /opt/whatever for bin and sbin dirs then links everything? |
| 02:22.46 | Sam-I-Am | yup |
| 02:22.50 | sourdough | ah neat |
| 02:22.59 | sourdough | thats what i was planning on doing, |
| 02:23.07 | sourdough | saves some custom scripting |
| 02:23.17 | Sam-I-Am | like... stow -t /some/useful/place -d /some/fucked/place appdirname |
| 02:23.17 | sourdough | need some gnu stuff too |
| 02:23.28 | sourdough | want a fscking diff -u and grep -r dammit |
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| 02:24.17 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 02:24.29 | Sam-I-Am | welp, gotta do dishes. back in a few. |
| 02:24.58 | sourdough | hp has a wonderful feature of the kernel's default umask is 000 and nothing bothers to change it, not even root's .profile |
| 02:25.06 | Sam-I-Am | ew |
| 02:25.06 | sourdough | so half the system after clean install has 0777 perms |
| 02:25.07 | Sam-I-Am | bbiab |
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| 02:47.46 | Sam-I-Am | mmm |
| 02:48.04 | Sam-I-Am | time to pr0d the umax again |
| 02:49.56 | Sam-I-Am | arg |
| 02:50.01 | Sam-I-Am | infinitefailure |
| 02:50.03 | Sam-I-Am | Starting at 0 |
| 02:50.03 | Sam-I-Am | no active packageopening display /valkyrie@F1000000DEFAULT CATCH!, code=FFF00700 at %SRR0: 0000F088 %SRR1: 00083070 |
| 02:50.12 | Sam-I-Am | i wonder what that no active package thing is all about |
| 02:50.19 | Sam-I-Am | thats an OF error |
| 02:57.25 | Sam-I-Am | wonder if it has anything to do with load-base |
| 03:00.42 | GregorR | Damn, holding down the C key didn't make it boot from CD *sobs* |
| 03:01.09 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 03:02.32 | Sam-I-Am | well, this umax definitely isnt working |
| 03:02.41 | Sam-I-Am | boots fine off the floppies |
| 03:03.11 | sourdough | hmm |
| 03:03.23 | sourdough | its still trying to open the display for some reason |
| 03:03.28 | sourdough | and thats blowing up |
| 03:03.28 | GregorR | What's the "ignore the first boot device" hotkey/ |
| 03:03.30 | GregorR | ? |
| 03:03.36 | sourdough | remove framebuffer support maybe |
| 03:03.53 | sourdough | GregorR what hardware are you using and what are you trying to do? |
| 03:04.07 | GregorR | Apple Workgroup Server 7250 and trying to boot from a netinst CD |
| 03:04.55 | Sam-I-Am | eh |
| 03:04.59 | Sam-I-Am | buahah |
| 03:05.53 | jnc | eh buahah indeed Sam |
| 03:06.09 | jnc | tell our unlucky contestant what he hasn't won! |
| 03:06.28 | Sam-I-Am | sourdough: do you know what goodies quik grabs from /proc when you run it? |
| 03:07.30 | GregorR | Anybody have any recommendations for getting this stupid thing to boot anything? |
| 03:07.54 | Sam-I-Am | uh |
| 03:07.55 | Sam-I-Am | well, |
| 03:08.05 | Sam-I-Am | its old world, so its not going to boot a cd |
| 03:08.12 | Sam-I-Am | you'll need the hfs boot and root floppies |
| 03:08.21 | GregorR | Those didn't work. |
| 03:08.26 | GregorR | Not even the OFonly one |
| 03:08.38 | sourdough | cds are not bootable on that hardware |
| 03:08.42 | sourdough | only newworld |
| 03:09.01 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am /proc/cpuinfo is it afaik |
| 03:09.07 | GregorR | *drumroll* and the solution is... ;) |
| 03:09.44 | sourdough | GregorR what happens with the floppies? |
| 03:10.11 | GregorR | It gets to the tux-next-to-a-mac logo, then it loses video signal. |
| 03:11.44 | Sam-I-Am | sounds like good ol apple hardware |
| 03:11.51 | Sam-I-Am | have you googled at all? |
| 03:11.55 | GregorR | Yup |
| 03:12.02 | GregorR | I can barely even find that the hardware exists X-D |
| 03:12.09 | sourdough | sounds like the video is unsupported |
| 03:12.20 | GregorR | sourdough: Maybe I just need to use a different fb device? |
| 03:12.22 | sourdough | you could probably do it via serial terminal |
| 03:12.31 | sourdough | you would need a hacked boot floppy though |
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| 03:12.57 | GregorR | I thought that ofonly was always supported >_< |
| 03:13.21 | sourdough | ofonly means leave the video hardware alone, if its already fucked it won't work either |
| 03:13.32 | GregorR | lol |
| 03:13.45 | GregorR | But it wasn't already fucked :( |
| 03:13.51 | GregorR | It did get to the tux-next-to-a-mac logo :( |
| 03:14.12 | sourdough | thats macosROM, it won't help you |
| 03:14.39 | GregorR | So long-story-short, there's no use in my iterating through every possible framebuffer device, and I'll have to get some crazy cable and do a serial install to use it? |
| 03:15.24 | sourdough | id ignore video and use serial terminal |
| 03:15.30 | sourdough | servers don't need video |
| 03:15.40 | GregorR | So long-story-short, there's no use in my iterating through every possible framebuffer device, and I'll have to get some crazy cable and do a serial install to use it? |
| 03:15.43 | Sam-I-Am | hey sourdough, where would i place console= so it gets fed to the kernel? i've tried it in boot-file and at the quik prompt, but nothing works |
| 03:16.21 | Sam-I-Am | it seems very interested in this valkryie thing |
| 03:16.50 | sourdough | Sam-I-Am hmm quik should hand it over, but sometimes thats broken.. |
| 03:17.08 | sourdough | append= if you can get a quik.conf |
| 03:17.09 | GregorR | I just don't desperately want to go buy a cable somewhere :( |
| 03:17.37 | sourdough | GregorR make one |
| 03:19.17 | Sam-I-Am | yeah i can |
| 03:19.49 | Sam-I-Am | just need to boot off the floppies.. |
| 03:20.12 | sourdough | quik prmp should work.. |
| 03:21.11 | Sam-I-Am | is there a kernel arg to not use video? |
| 03:21.18 | Sam-I-Am | like, video=broken ? |
| 03:21.38 | GregorR | lol |
| 03:22.04 | Sam-I-Am | i wish OF would give me more details to this: |
| 03:22.06 | Sam-I-Am | no active packageopening display /valkyrie@F1000000DEFAULT CATCH! |
| 03:22.16 | Sam-I-Am | i think OF is opening the display |
| 03:22.28 | Sam-I-Am | and something is saying no active package... |
| 03:22.36 | Sam-I-Am | so perhaps its looking for valkryie where it isnt |
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| 03:25.51 | sourdough | maybe |
| 03:27.22 | Sam-I-Am | arggh |
| 03:29.36 | GregorR | I WIN YOU LOSERS AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHH |
| 03:29.39 | GregorR | controlfb worked |
| 03:29.40 | GregorR | So :P |
| 03:29.49 | GregorR | Sorry, got a bit excited there. |
| 03:30.15 | jnc | :) |
| 03:30.48 | Sam-I-Am | controlfb? |
| 03:31.08 | Sam-I-Am | howso? |
| 03:31.42 | GregorR | I hax0r'd the boot floppy |
| 03:31.49 | GregorR | And it worked w/ controlfb |
| 03:32.10 | Sam-I-Am | fun |
| 03:32.17 | Sam-I-Am | i'm trying to figure out what i need to haxx0r |
| 03:32.53 | GregorR | I wish I could help, but this is only the second time I've made the attempt to install GNU/Linux on a mac, and will be the first to succeed *crosses fingers* |
| 03:33.08 | Sam-I-Am | so you think |
| 03:33.16 | Sam-I-Am | wait until you get to use quik |
| 03:33.27 | GregorR | lol |
| 03:34.34 | GregorR | Let's agree that if either of us figures it out, we'll help the other ;) |
| 03:34.55 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 03:34.59 | Sam-I-Am | i think this umax is hopeless |
| 03:35.18 | Sam-I-Am | whats funny is all the linux docs regarding machine seem to have come from netbsd, which runs on a lot more than linux does |
| 03:35.25 | Sam-I-Am | so a good portion of it is crap |
| 03:35.39 | GregorR | lol |
| 03:35.46 | GregorR | So why not install NetBSD? |
| 03:35.57 | GregorR | That's what I do when I can't get GNU/Linux on something. |
| 03:36.39 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 03:36.42 | Sam-I-Am | its too arcane |
| 03:37.13 | Sam-I-Am | they might have figured out how to boot it out of OF, but the install is like building a house out of legos |
| 03:41.10 | GregorR | lol |
| 03:41.15 | GregorR | Yay, I survived partitioning! |
| 03:41.30 | GregorR | You think that's arcane, I have Debian on an LC580 |
| 03:41.36 | GregorR | With an m68k proc. |
| 03:42.07 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 03:42.11 | Sam-I-Am | i've debated doing that |
| 03:42.14 | Sam-I-Am | booting is a pain though |
| 03:42.45 | GregorR | Yeah, it boots into MacOS 7.5.3 and autoruns the bootloader - sucjky |
| 03:42.47 | GregorR | *sucky |
| 03:43.40 | Sam-I-Am | seems the system disk util doesnt like this umax |
| 03:46.24 | Sam-I-Am | ah well, fuck this |
| 03:46.28 | Sam-I-Am | its hopeless apparently |
| 03:46.37 | Sam-I-Am | umax->garbage |
| 03:49.10 | GregorR | lol |
| 03:52.40 | GregorR | Well, if I keep in mind that asking questions on #debianppc is useless, this was actually a comparatively easy install. |
| 03:53.12 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 03:53.23 | sourdough | some of us just don't give a shit about oldworld cruft anymore |
| 03:53.42 | Sam-I-Am | some of us cant afford new world :P |
| 03:53.42 | GregorR | If you don't give a shit, why respond at all? |
| 03:53.55 | Sam-I-Am | even the original g4s are overpriced |
| 03:53.56 | GregorR | It's more polite to just ignore the person than to tell them something incorrect -_- |
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| 03:54.24 | fman | evening all |
| 03:54.50 | fman | trying to get mplayer up and running, anyone able to help |
| 03:54.56 | sourdough | GregorR it wasn't necessarily incorrect |
| 03:55.08 | sourdough | GregorR if all your going to do is be a pissy ass here then go away |
| 03:55.11 | fman | having a hard time installing from the marillat packages |
| 03:55.26 | Sam-I-Am | i guess i could try netbsd |
| 03:55.30 | Sam-I-Am | or try a scsi disk |
| 03:55.35 | Sam-I-Am | ah, choices |
| 03:56.19 | GregorR | OK, then I guess I'll go away - this rich and lively community is why I don't use Debian on my main box -_- |
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| 03:56.34 | sourdough | what an ass |
| 03:57.10 | fman | sure sounds like it |
| 03:58.35 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 03:59.21 | Sam-I-Am | humpff |
| 03:59.29 | Sam-I-Am | looks like its an ide thing, sourdough |
| 03:59.41 | Sam-I-Am | just put a scsi disk in and p00f, boots fine |
| 03:59.41 | sourdough | you are using ide? |
| 03:59.43 | fman | so, guess no one here is a mplayer user then |
| 04:00.01 | Sam-I-Am | yeah - when i get a 'new' box i usually see if it works with the default crap |
| 04:00.08 | sourdough | heh |
| 04:00.32 | Sam-I-Am | its gonna be rough trying to squeeze a scsi hdd in here and keep the cdrom |
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| 04:02.48 | sourdough | fun |
| 04:02.55 | sourdough | later Sam-I-Am |
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| 04:04.13 | fman | hmm, godsmacker came in with an IPv6 address.... |
| 04:04.40 | Sam-I-Am | yeah i noticed |
| 04:04.45 | Sam-I-Am | i cant get on irc from mine |
| 04:07.20 | jnc | which tunnelbroker? |
| 04:07.38 | Sam-I-Am | hurricane |
| 04:07.54 | jnc | oh |
| 04:07.57 | jnc | that's what i'm on with |
| 04:08.05 | jnc | they only block 6666-6669 |
| 04:08.22 | Sam-I-Am | yeah |
| 04:08.32 | Sam-I-Am | wouldnt want to get banned if they found me using other ports |
| 04:08.41 | jnc | oh |
| 04:08.50 | jnc | unless you're abusing the ports |
| 04:09.00 | jnc | i don't see why it'd be wrong to use port 7000 |
| 04:09.06 | jnc | which freenode ipv6 servers listen on |
| 04:09.19 | jnc | technically i am abusing it though |
| 04:09.43 | fman | I've not even bothered to try IPv6 on the net yet, played with it quite a bit at work though |
| 04:09.54 | fman | should really convert the house to IPv6 one day.... |
| 04:10.01 | fman | see how long I last |
| 04:10.04 | jnc | mm |
| 04:10.05 | fman | (about 5 minutes:) |
| 04:10.12 | Sam-I-Am | i use ipv6 in the house |
| 04:10.22 | jnc | trouble is, no decent network filesystem implementations for linux that are IPv6 capable |
| 04:11.27 | Sam-I-Am | well, dont use linux :P |
| 04:13.37 | fman | :) |
| 04:16.35 | Sam-I-Am | feh |
| 04:16.41 | Sam-I-Am | i like ipv6 |
| 04:16.49 | Sam-I-Am | they fixed a lot of the broken crap in v4 |
| 04:18.32 | jnc | i don't know |
| 04:18.51 | jnc | it just takes away the drive to use silly things like NAT |
| 04:18.54 | jnc | which makes me happy |
| 04:19.09 | Sam-I-Am | yes |
| 04:19.22 | Sam-I-Am | except v6 isnt exactly profitable, so corruptorations dont want to go for it |
| 04:19.45 | Sam-I-Am | frankly i think voip is a good place to start using it |
| 04:20.00 | Sam-I-Am | well, netbsd doesnt work on this piece of shit either |
| 04:20.18 | Sam-I-Am | lots of read timeouts during read of the floppy |
| 04:20.20 | Sam-I-Am | not sure why |
| 04:22.49 | demon | maybe the floppy drive is just old and messed? |
| 04:22.49 | demon | it's not really unheard of |
| 04:23.30 | jnc | Sam-I-Am: uhm, maybe in the states nobody cares |
| 04:23.40 | jnc | 'cause they have half the v4 address space anyhow |
| 04:23.52 | jnc | but in places like china? yeah, you don't have a choice |
| 04:23.57 | jnc | IPv6 is _it_ |
| 04:24.18 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 04:27.07 | Sam-I-Am | i only use ipv6 on my wireless network |
| 04:27.26 | Sam-I-Am | adds some security through obscurity, unless you know how ipv6 works |
| 04:27.30 | Sam-I-Am | in which case, you can use it |
| 04:35.15 | avar | you have a ipv6 compatable base station? |
| 04:35.23 | demon | um |
| 04:35.32 | demon | the base station doesn't have to know |
| 04:35.34 | demon | or care |
| 04:35.35 | jnc | i am the shover robot |
| 04:35.40 | jnc | ;) |
| 04:36.02 | Sam-I-Am | yeah it doesnt care |
| 04:36.10 | avar | demon: it need to know how to send packages to *ipv6 address* |
| 04:36.17 | avar | right? |
| 04:36.27 | Sam-I-Am | but if you want an IP, if going to v6, and you'll need the solicitation daemon |
| 04:36.56 | demon | you just have to put the base station in bridge mode, if it's an apple or lucent |
| 04:37.06 | demon | or whatever the equivalent is |
| 04:37.11 | demon | and put it on an ipv6 net |
| 04:37.16 | demon | and *poof* |
| 04:37.18 | demon | it works |
| 04:37.39 | avar | how nice |
| 04:39.20 | Sam-I-Am | mine is a cisco |
| 04:39.28 | Sam-I-Am | it doesnt know what ipv6 is, but doesnt much care |
| 05:50.00 | jnc | i do a static IPv6 network |