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| 00:19.22 | Tenniru_ | Gah. I knew fixing X wouldn't be the end of my problems. |
| 00:19.53 | Tenniru_ | My mouse (trackpad) is being really sensetive. |
| 00:20.30 | Tenniru_ | Also, when I tap the trackpad it has the same effect as clicking- |
| 00:20.59 | Tenniru_ | And as if that isn't enough, my mouse is one button and I can't find the key to emulate right-and-middle click. |
| 00:21.39 | randyg | I use tpconfig on my laptop, but you might want to google for what works for your system. |
| 00:22.12 | simonrvn | trackpad notap ? seen that somewhere |
| 00:23.46 | randyg | I can't stand touchpads with tap... or, at least, can't stand the one on my laptop... with tapping on, about once every few seconds of mouse movement it will click on something you don't want it to. :) |
| 00:24.07 | Tenniru_ | Fatal... could not open ps/2 (psaux) port? |
| 00:24.20 | Tenniru_ | Odd. I am fairly certain this thing interfaces via ADB. |
| 00:24.40 | Tenniru_ | I disabled tap back when I was on OS X, OS 9 never supported it, and Ubuntu never turned it on. |
| 00:25.09 | randyg | you're using a pc program to adjust a ppc touchpad. try harder. :) |
| 00:25.25 | Tenniru_ | Dang hardware barrier. |
| 00:25.36 | Tenniru_ | Erg. Anyone know of a ppc touchpad configurator? |
| 00:25.53 | simonrvn | isn't it in pmud? |
| 00:26.15 | Tenniru_ | pmud? |
| 00:26.39 | simonrvn | the touchpad command. |
| 00:26.51 | simonrvn | !find trackpad |
| 00:26.57 | simonrvn | trackpad even |
| 00:27.03 | simonrvn | @find trackpad |
| 00:27.04 | ctr | it is a shame you can't install linux into a dir like you can system9 and osx |
| 00:27.13 | ctr | and then just say what startup option you want |
| 00:27.44 | randyg | ctr: hmm... seems technically feasable to do so. |
| 00:27.51 | ctr | yep |
| 00:27.58 | simonrvn | (19:27) <ravenbird> Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 00:28.04 | randyg | just have the kernel chroot after it mounts / |
| 00:28.07 | ctr | does the latest set of kernels support hfs+ |
| 00:28.12 | simonrvn | yes |
| 00:28.14 | Tenniru_ | Ah. I didn't have pmud. |
| 00:28.17 | Tenniru_ | Apt-got it. |
| 00:28.21 | ctr | hmm |
| 00:28.31 | randyg | I think hfs+ reading is fully supported, writing is experimental |
| 00:28.32 | ctr | can it use hfs+ as root dir ? |
| 00:28.36 | ctr | k |
| 00:28.50 | ravenbird | Debian Search of 'trackpad' (2 shown): (/sbin/trackpad) in base/powerpc-utils ;; (/usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.8/debian/drivers-macintosh-adb-trackpad.dpatch.bz2) in devel/kernel-patch-debian-2.6.8. |
| 00:29.04 | simonrvn | writing is better than it was last year, or 2 years ago, but still a bit iffy |
| 00:29.10 | ctr | k |
| 00:29.23 | simonrvn | ah, powerpc-utils |
| 00:29.25 | simonrvn | my bad |
| 00:29.32 | Tenniru_ | Pmud seems to deal with power management on Apple 'Books. |
| 00:29.32 | randyg | or maybe that's ufs I'm thinking of. sec, checking |
| 00:29.38 | ctr | would be interesting to setup a small linux dist that could get a kernel booting off the same disk as osx and os8 etc |
| 00:29.59 | Tenniru_ | That would rock. |
| 00:30.00 | randyg | hfs+ is fully supported both read and write |
| 00:30.01 | simonrvn | ufs is experimental and dangerous - according to the <help> |
| 00:30.09 | ctr | yeah |
| 00:30.09 | randyg | ufs is the one with experimental writes |
| 00:30.12 | ctr | randyg: sweet |
| 00:30.21 | ctr | hmm, might have to have a play |
| 00:30.30 | Tenniru_ | Now, how do I run powerpc-utils? Or whatever I do with it? |
| 00:30.32 | simonrvn | bootx does that already |
| 00:30.41 | simonrvn | powerpc-utils is the package name |
| 00:30.44 | ctr | simonrvn: does what ? |
| 00:30.52 | simonrvn | boot from hfs |
| 00:31.02 | Tenniru_ | Ah. I already have that... |
| 00:31.06 | ctr | can it boot linux from hfs ? |
| 00:31.13 | simonrvn | dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 00:31.15 | Tenniru_ | Now, how do I kill trackpad-tap? And this oversensetivity? |
| 00:31.16 | randyg | ctr: I don't see any reason it couldn't |
| 00:31.30 | ctr | it is just i'd like to run linux on my ibook g4 |
| 00:31.35 | randyg | it's listed as fully supported, and can be compiled in... |
| 00:31.39 | ctr | however it'd be a pita having to reformat and install |
| 00:31.54 | ctr | and there is already the mechanism for multiple os boot |
| 00:32.05 | ctr | a kernel with hfs+ and a special os setup |
| 00:32.14 | ctr | you could even have the same home dir's across setups |
| 00:32.19 | ctr | etc |
| 00:32.51 | Tenniru_ | Hello? |
| 00:33.22 | randyg | Tenniru_: have you tried google and/or reading the manual page for the utility he suggested? |
| 00:33.41 | Tenniru_ | Which utility? |
| 00:34.18 | Tenniru_ | There is no manual for powerpc-utils... |
| 00:34.27 | Tenniru_ | And pmud is a power manager. |
| 00:34.41 | simonrvn | trackpad notap, trackpad --help |
| 00:34.45 | Tenniru_ | Oh. |
| 00:35.46 | ctr | ok |
| 00:35.48 | ctr | sleep time |
| 00:35.49 | Tenniru_ | Trackpad- command not found. |
| 00:36.03 | simonrvn | uh, no caps :) |
| 00:36.07 | ctr | no capital t ? |
| 00:36.23 | Tenniru_ | I know. |
| 00:36.27 | Tenniru_ | I did it all in lowercase. |
| 00:36.35 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.35 | simonrvn | Completing external command |
| 00:36.35 | simonrvn | Completing builtin command |
| 00:36.36 | simonrvn | tracepath tracepath6 traceroute traceroute.lbl traceroute6 trackpad |
| 00:36.37 | Tenniru_ | I was just... it's a habit of mine. Capitalizing while chatting. |
| 00:38.44 | Tenniru_ | So, what do I do? |
| 00:39.07 | simonrvn | trac<tab><tab> |
| 00:39.46 | Tenniru_ | Traceroute. What did that just do...? |
| 00:40.06 | randyg | are you root? |
| 00:40.13 | randyg | and did you install powerpc-utils? |
| 00:40.18 | Tenniru_ | No and yes. |
| 00:40.22 | Tenniru_ | Let me open a root terminal. |
| 00:40.44 | randyg | I'd guess it goes in /sbin, and sbin isn't in your user path... |
| 00:41.30 | Tenniru_ | No wonder... I wasn't root. |
| 00:41.31 | Tenniru_ | Die, tap. |
| 00:41.55 | Tenniru_ | Next problem. Oversensetive trackpad. What do I do? |
| 00:42.02 | randyg | man trackpad |
| 00:42.14 | Tenniru_ | It moves really fast even at minimum mouse acceleration. |
| 00:43.41 | Tenniru_ | man trackpad tells me nothing relevant. |
| 00:45.12 | Tenniru_ | I can live with this. Next- I put a USB key into my USB port. |
| 00:45.17 | Tenniru_ | It's not picking it up. |
| 00:45.25 | Tenniru_ | I kinda... need the files on it. |
| 00:45.25 | simonrvn | notap Don#t generate click events when the trackpad is tapped. |
| 00:45.32 | simonrvn | show Show the current state of the trackpad. |
| 00:45.33 | Tenniru_ | I know, and I fixed that. |
| 00:45.45 | Tenniru_ | I just wanted to fix the next problem- oversensetive trackpad. |
| 00:46.05 | randyg | do you have hotplug installed? tried loading the proper host controller module, usb mass-storage, etc? |
| 00:46.16 | simonrvn | xset m XX [XX] console tweak gpm i suppose |
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| 00:48.52 | Tenniru_ | What do I do with the X? Just leave them? |
| 00:48.55 | Tenniru_ | Or are they variables? |
| 00:54.14 | chrisa | Have you actually given OSX a try? You may like it |
| 00:54.19 | Tenniru_ | I have. |
| 00:54.26 | Tenniru_ | I use it on my PowerMac G4, and I love it. |
| 00:54.37 | Tenniru_ | Problem is, it feels really... bloated on this old iBook. |
| 00:56.49 | Tenniru_ | I just wish Debian was as iBook-friendly as Ubuntu. Getting it to work right far me is slightly more difficult than, say, converting the Pope to Buhddism. |
| 00:57.10 | chrisa | Then use Ubuntu |
| 00:57.15 | Tenniru_ | I did, but... |
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| 00:57.24 | Tenniru_ | It's version of apt-get doesn't like me. |
| 00:57.29 | chrisa | ..... |
| 00:57.34 | Tenniru_ | For instance, I tried installing KDE and it refused... |
| 00:57.50 | Tenniru_ | To install the other indicated files. |
| 00:58.08 | chrisa | Likely because you didn't read the docs to find out that KDE is not included in Ubuntu's Universe repo |
| 00:58.13 | Tenniru_ | So I was stuck in GNOME, which I don't like. Plus, Ubuntu's dist-upgrade doesn't seem to work. |
| 00:59.31 | Tenniru_ | And whenever I go to them for support, they seem to get all touchy about me not liking GNOME. |
| 00:59.48 | simonrvn | did you expect to not reead any docs and have things work like you thought they might possibly work, and guess at it? |
| 01:00.27 | Tenniru_ | I'm not really used to this, though... |
| 01:00.58 | Tenniru_ | But whatever I tried, apt-get wasn't installing parts that a package needed. |
| 01:01.07 | Tenniru_ | So installing KDE was impossible. |
| 01:01.07 | simonrvn | ok then. man dpkg, man apt for starters. as for xset, man xset. |
| 01:01.13 | Tenniru_ | Right. |
| 01:01.19 | simonrvn | so get hopping |
| 01:01.43 | Sam-I-Am | m00 |
| 01:01.54 | Sam-I-Am | installing on my umax |
| 01:02.02 | Sam-I-Am | mine works, officemate's doesnt... trying to finger out why |
| 01:02.03 | simonrvn | w00t |
| 01:02.34 | Sam-I-Am | i find it interesting that people say to use the apple disk util even tho it clearly doesnt work |
| 01:02.40 | Sam-I-Am | i think it applies magic to the computer |
| 01:03.05 | Sam-I-Am | however, i cant prove it doesnt other than it makes no changes to the nvram |
| 01:03.14 | Tenniru_ | I was certainly never told to use apple-disk. Seeing as how I know it doesn't work at all. |
| 01:03.41 | Tenniru_ | You can't even set a type of the partition beyond HFS, HFS+, and UFS. |
| 01:04.01 | Sam-I-Am | its not their partitioner |
| 01:04.11 | Sam-I-Am | its the uhh... disk utils thing... uhh, sets nvram shiz? |
| 01:04.15 | Sam-I-Am | applies patches |
| 01:04.27 | simonrvn | at least drive setup you could set just about any part. you wanted on it |
| 01:04.59 | simonrvn | AUX, "Linuxppc swap" and root, etc. |
| 01:05.04 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 01:05.18 | Sam-I-Am | bad choice of mirror |
| 01:05.48 | randyg | finally got specs back on the mystery rs/6000 system.... 8 200mhz cpus, 4gb ram, 18gb scsi disk. |
| 01:05.53 | Sam-I-Am | i find it amusing that these umax machines have an ide hdd and a scsi cdrom - why not both ide? however, it is convenient for linux usage because i now have a scsi disk and an ide cdrom |
| 01:05.58 | simonrvn | basically it would set things like the "Linux swap" and the Apple_UNIX_SVR2: |
| 01:06.00 | simonrvn | /dev/sde9 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 swap 1024000 @ 3123972 (500.0M) Linux swap |
| 01:06.01 | Sam-I-Am | randyg: powerpc or power? |
| 01:06.32 | randyg | not sure |
| 01:07.06 | Sam-I-Am | sounds like a nice machine |
| 01:07.10 | Sam-I-Am | lots o ram |
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| 01:08.18 | randyg | powerpc 604e, I think |
| 01:08.32 | simonrvn | sounds about right |
| 01:08.55 | Scarecrow | Anyone know an easy way of findind out what program opened a port so I can keep it from opening? |
| 01:09.09 | randyg | the system is free... if I want to pay shipping on 125 pounds from new york to california. |
| 01:09.32 | Sam-I-Am | randyg: feel free to pay shipping to kansas... it'll be cheaper... :P |
| 01:09.48 | randyg | also comes with tape backup, cd-rom drive, floppy, and AIX installed and bootable. |
| 01:10.20 | simonrvn | Scarecrow: don't run a daemon on that port and it won't open one |
| 01:10.31 | simonrvn | netstat -puant | less |
| 01:11.01 | randyg | Sam-I-Am: I'm looking at around $200 shipping... |
| 01:11.11 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 01:11.18 | Sam-I-Am | as i said, only $100 to kansas where i live :P |
| 01:12.01 | randyg | it would be a cool toy, but for $200, I could pick up 1.5 athlon 2600+ systems, with a lot cheaper shipping... and they don't draw the same amount of power as the electric clothes dryer. :) |
| 01:12.56 | Sam-I-Am | hehe |
| 01:13.02 | Sam-I-Am | but.. high end hardware is fun |
| 01:13.17 | randyg | is debianppc likely to run on it? :) |
| 01:13.30 | Sam-I-Am | well, you can google now |
| 01:13.34 | Sam-I-Am | since you know whats in it |
| 01:13.36 | Tenniru_ | Augh! Why does Mozilla make it so hard to download the source code of Firefox and Thunderbird? |
| 01:13.37 | Sam-I-Am | but i'd imagine so |
| 01:13.46 | Tenniru_ | I mean, I got FF, but I can't find Thunderbird. |
| 01:14.20 | Tenniru_ | I got them once, but now Thunderbird's is unfindable. |
| 01:14.31 | Scarecrow | but netstat -puant | less doesn't say what program or pid opened it for some reason. |
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| 01:15.21 | Scarecrow | I just has a dash |
| 01:16.17 | randyg | bah! a single-cpu 1ghz athlon gets double the spec_fp scores. |
| 01:17.34 | Sam-I-Am | have it shipped here lol |
| 01:18.41 | randyg | the 8-way 200mhz box scores 320 spec_fp base... a 1ghz athlon scores 719 |
| 01:18.53 | simonrvn | Scarecrow: use ps like a normal person |
| 01:19.27 | chrisa | I don't feel like lecturing on how terrible statements like "open a port" are |
| 01:19.32 | Sam-I-Am | hard to compare single proc and multiproc |
| 01:19.34 | chrisa | Just assume I'm glaring at all of you |
| 01:19.53 | Sam-I-Am | raw scored just dont work |
| 01:20.27 | simonrvn | @open ports |
| 01:20.27 | ravenbird | i heard open ports is netstat -plunt, or apt-get install nmap; nmap localhost, or lsof -i -n, or (also, see 'open files') |
| 01:20.31 | simonrvn | ... |
| 01:20.38 | simonrvn | stupid factoid |
| 01:21.33 | randyg | Sam-I-Am: you get the point though... chances are I can get a lot more bank for the buck by spending my $200 on something else. :) |
| 01:21.38 | randyg | bang |
| 01:21.59 | Sam-I-Am | depends |
| 01:22.28 | Sam-I-Am | i'd prefer anything over x86 shit |
| 01:22.31 | randyg | although 4gb of ram is a pleasant number. |
| 01:22.37 | randyg | this box only has 2gb. :) |
| 01:22.51 | simonrvn | 512 mb here |
| 01:22.52 | chrisa | bah, can't remember when the suspend options were moved to in 2.6.9 |
| 01:22.56 | Sam-I-Am | 96mb here |
| 01:23.10 | Sam-I-Am | 80 on this umax |
| 01:23.11 | simonrvn | i plan to max it out to 1 gb |
| 01:23.20 | Sam-I-Am | which i'll eventually be maxing out to 144 |
| 01:23.30 | Sam-I-Am | my g5 has 1g |
| 01:23.34 | Sam-I-Am | osx needs it to boot |
| 01:23.40 | randyg | I picked up the ram for $1 at a garage sale... |
| 01:24.10 | Sam-I-Am | nice |
| 01:24.18 | randyg | for $1, got 4 512mb pc-133 dimms and 4 256mb pc-100 dims. |
| 01:24.34 | Sam-I-Am | oooh |
| 01:24.42 | Sam-I-Am | i wish i could find ram that cheap |
| 01:24.46 | Sam-I-Am | ram for my old systems is either hard to find or expensive |
| 01:24.49 | randyg | heh. I like garage sales. :) |
| 01:24.55 | Sam-I-Am | me too |
| 01:25.05 | Sam-I-Am | i also like ebay sales when the person doesnt know the value of what they're selling |
| 01:25.40 | randyg | picked up a working p3-866 box for $5, a dual socket 370 mobo for $5, and a second p3-866 cpu for $20... put them together, and have a rather decent box for quite cheap. (the one I'm typing on right now) |
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| 01:27.12 | Sam-I-Am | mmm |
| 01:27.18 | Sam-I-Am | i have a bunch of free machines |
| 01:28.20 | randyg | hmm. a near-identical system is presently on ebay at $1, with no bids. has been listed for four days... |
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| 01:29.49 | simonrvn | time to set up a sarge chroot... |
| 01:30.00 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 01:30.01 | simonrvn | as if i don't have enough to do... |
| 01:30.07 | Sam-I-Am | i'm still installing |
| 01:30.33 | randyg | I have a complete chrooted debian install on one of my servers |
| 01:30.47 | randyg | with the pam-chroot module |
| 01:30.48 | simonrvn | i have a raid1+lvm2 set up now, so i have the room. 18 GB SCSI |
| 01:31.06 | randyg | so I can give accounts that only have access to the chrooted environment |
| 01:31.08 | simonrvn | i'll jusr rm -rf it after i'm done |
| 01:31.40 | simonrvn | or maybe try out pbuilder.. |
| 01:31.57 | randyg | it's not meant to have high security... it's just meant to keep semi-friends/relatives/etc from knowing I also run a pile of furry, adult, and otherwise non-for-relatives sites. :) |
| 01:32.25 | simonrvn | heh |
| 01:33.21 | simonrvn | sick when you have to page up 3 times to see all of ifconfig's output |
| 01:33.28 | randyg | lol |
| 01:33.30 | simonrvn | without the -a option |
| 01:33.43 | randyg | the most any of my servers has is 3 interfaces, plus loopback. |
| 01:34.19 | simonrvn | i have 12 (1) ip aliases, plus eth1, plus ppp0, plus lo |
| 01:34.26 | Sam-I-Am | ah yes |
| 01:34.27 | simonrvn | s/(1)/(!)/ |
| 01:34.31 | Sam-I-Am | the default catch thing |
| 01:34.37 | Sam-I-Am | after the /valkyrie |
| 01:34.43 | Sam-I-Am | now, i think using the system disk fixes this |
| 01:34.45 | Sam-I-Am | but not sure |
| 01:34.48 | Sam-I-Am | i had this beast booting |
| 01:35.06 | randyg | are those real ips, or private network ips? |
| 01:35.17 | Sam-I-Am | you know, a mouse is going to be awfully conveient in macos.. |
| 01:35.20 | simonrvn | real |
| 01:36.34 | randyg | I use one ip for the chroot'ed hosting environment, one for my hosting, and one spare |
| 01:36.53 | simonrvn | /28 here, plus ppp+ |
| 01:37.32 | randyg | my ips aren't even contiguous. :) |
| 01:37.33 | Sam-I-Am | opening display /valkyrie@F1000000DEFAULT CATCH!, code=FFF00700 at %SRR0: 0000F088 %SRR1: 00083070 |
| 01:37.41 | Sam-I-Am | back to tis problem again |
| 01:37.42 | randyg | .111, .113, and .114 |
| 01:37.52 | Sam-I-Am | it worked before, and now i cant remember what i did to fix it |
| 01:38.35 | simonrvn | does not look good |
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| 01:45.04 | Sam-I-Am | hrmmm |
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| 01:47.18 | Sam-I-Am | i think i licked this last time by recompiling the kernel |
| 01:47.25 | Sam-I-Am | and somehow shoving it on that drive |
| 01:47.28 | Sam-I-Am | grrr |
| 01:49.09 | Sam-I-Am | whats funny is how theres 0 documentation for any of this |
| 01:49.17 | Sam-I-Am | its almost like no one has ever had this problem |
| 01:49.41 | simonrvn | very little docs, and a lot of it in people's heads, or internal ones |
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| 01:50.00 | Sam-I-Am | hmmm |
| 01:50.06 | Sam-I-Am | not quite sure what to do |
| 01:50.23 | Sam-I-Am | i'm wondering if last time i had shoved a scsi disk already installed with a non-defaulot kernel |
| 01:50.31 | Sam-I-Am | it does suck that theres no sarge hfs boot floppies |
| 01:50.37 | Sam-I-Am | gotta wonder wtf the developers are doing |
| 01:50.56 | Sam-I-Am | getting sick of this... install woody, upgrade later |
| 01:51.31 | Sam-I-Am | know of any? |
| 01:51.52 | Sam-I-Am | how how to pry open an hfs boot flop and replace the kernel with somethin from this era? |
| 01:51.57 | Sam-I-Am | or this decade |
| 01:57.54 | simonrvn | Sam-I-Am: dude, sarge d-i has floppies |
| 01:58.05 | simonrvn | @sarge daily snapshots |
| 01:58.06 | ravenbird | get your daily sarge PPC builds at http://people.debian.org/~luther/debian-installer/daily-powerpc-built/daily/powerpc/ |
| 01:58.12 | simonrvn | have fun ;) |
| 01:58.25 | Sam-I-Am | "fun" eh |
| 01:58.41 | simonrvn | i'm rather impressed with it actually |
| 01:58.58 | Sam-I-Am | wheres the hfs images |
| 01:59.17 | simonrvn | in floppies |
| 01:59.21 | simonrvn | sec |
| 02:00.01 | simonrvn | 'floppy' |
| 02:00.04 | Sam-I-Am | k, am i missing something? |
| 02:00.11 | simonrvn | boot, root, and one of the -drivers imgs |
| 02:00.29 | Sam-I-Am | hmm, surprised they dont say hfs |
| 02:00.32 | simonrvn | i suggest the net one if you don't have a cd handy |
| 02:00.56 | simonrvn | just like x86. boot from boot, and root is your root fs |
| 02:01.11 | Sam-I-Am | yeah |
| 02:01.38 | simonrvn | oh, floppy-2.4 might work better. though you could try the 2.6 (which is what 'floppy' is) |
| 02:02.12 | Sam-I-Am | downloading |
| 02:03.15 | simonrvn | i should try out the 2.6 ones for testing |
| 02:03.42 | Sam-I-Am | hmmm, superformat doesnt like the mac floppy drive |
| 02:05.01 | Sam-I-Am | wonder why they bother including it in debppc |
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| 02:07.45 | Sam-I-Am | hmmm |
| 02:07.51 | Sam-I-Am | g3 jacked my floppy and i cant get it back |
| 02:08.26 | [MA]MTM84|X| | er, paper clip? |
| 02:08.45 | Sam-I-Am | cant find one |
| 02:08.49 | [MA]MTM84|X| | oh |
| 02:08.52 | Sam-I-Am | superformat jacked the driver up |
| 02:08.57 | Sam-I-Am | gonna open the case and hit the button |
| 02:09.12 | Sam-I-Am | @remember superformat on ppc = bad |
| 02:09.14 | ravenbird | How can i forget about sam-i-am ? That person is the greatest <fill in whatever is appropriate> in the whole wide world ! |
| 02:09.14 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 02:11.37 | randyg | I guess I'll pass on the free rs/6000 system... an 8-way box would be a fun toy, but I just can't spare the shipping. |
| 02:12.11 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 02:15.47 | simonrvn | @superformat on ppc is <reply>bad! |
| 02:15.48 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
| 02:16.25 | randyg | lol |
| 02:17.24 | Sam-I-Am | well, 2.6 bf's hard lock my umax before it even boots the kernel |
| 02:17.36 | Sam-I-Am | no red X either - just penguin guy and nothing |
| 02:25.33 | Sam-I-Am | 2.4 worked |
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| 02:35.45 | Sam-I-Am | heh found a nice bug - it doesnt eject the root flop |
| 02:35.52 | Sam-I-Am | and theres no eject command |
| 02:36.02 | Sam-I-Am | so i gotta manually eject the root flop to get the driver flop in |
| 02:36.03 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 02:39.12 | randyg | there's no eject? |
| 02:39.26 | Sam-I-Am | nope |
| 02:40.32 | scooby2 | anyone experienced slowness with apps accessing the internet? |
| 02:40.54 | Sam-I-Am | ok there the hell are the scsi drivers up this piece |
| 02:41.34 | randyg | tried apt-get install eject? |
| 02:41.40 | scooby2 | like if i apt-get install blah it takes a good 20 seconds before it can connect to the server. dns lookups are instant. |
| 02:41.45 | Sam-I-Am | this is boot flop installer |
| 02:41.48 | randyg | ah |
| 02:41.53 | Sam-I-Am | scooby2: check your mirror lots of them are being slow |
| 02:41.59 | scooby2 | telnet mail.speakeasy.net 25 takes 25 seconds to to do anything |
| 02:42.07 | scooby2 | nslookup mail.speakeasy.net comes up with ips instantly |
| 02:42.20 | Sam-I-Am | someone is downloading too much porn |
| 02:42.39 | scooby2 | its only on my g5 |
| 02:42.46 | Sam-I-Am | oooh |
| 02:42.47 | Sam-I-Am | what kernel? |
| 02:42.48 | scooby2 | x86 its instant |
| 02:42.55 | scooby2 | Linux g5 2.6.8-power4 #1 Sun Oct 3 12:36:01 CEST 2004 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 02:43.00 | Sam-I-Am | yeah |
| 02:43.02 | Sam-I-Am | backrev one |
| 02:43.05 | Sam-I-Am | .8 is evily broken |
| 02:43.11 | scooby2 | ahh |
| 02:43.19 | Sam-I-Am | tcp stack is shot, which is why udp (dns) works |
| 02:43.22 | Sam-I-Am | been there, done that heh |
| 02:43.26 | scooby2 | thanks |
| 02:43.41 | Sam-I-Am | also make sure you're not using ECN |
| 02:44.14 | randyg | hmm, is 2.6.8.1 also broken? |
| 02:44.23 | Sam-I-Am | yes |
| 02:44.27 | Sam-I-Am | 2.6.7 works |
| 02:44.45 | scooby2 | /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn is 0 |
| 02:44.50 | Sam-I-Am | good |
| 02:45.08 | scooby2 | i was just going to try and compile 2.6.10-rc1 |
| 02:45.15 | randyg | is it broken on x86? I have a 2.6.8.1 box here, haven't noticed any oddness. |
| 02:45.19 | Sam-I-Am | i'm experiencing problems with mirrors.kernel.org lately |
| 02:45.22 | Sam-I-Am | used to be bitchin fast |
| 02:45.25 | scooby2 | randyg: nope |
| 02:45.28 | Sam-I-Am | x86 is fine |
| 02:45.29 | scooby2 | x86 is perfect |
| 02:45.37 | scooby2 | i have my own mirror:) |
| 02:45.40 | randyg | would explain why I didn't notice it. :) |
| 02:45.51 | randyg | mirrors.kernel.org was down for an hour the other day... |
| 02:47.10 | Sam-I-Am | ew |
| 02:48.39 | scooby2 | Sam-I-Am: where can i get 2.6.7? |
| 02:48.49 | Sam-I-Am | kernel.org has mirrors |
| 02:48.59 | randyg | was in the middle of a 200mb downloaded, file timed out, couldn't get any sign of life from mirrors.kernel.org. tcptraceroute timed out at what looked like the second hop before it. |
| 02:49.16 | randyg | Sam-I-Am: whatever kind of load balancing they do always routes me to the same ip |
| 02:49.29 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 02:50.12 | randyg | whatever happened to good old round-robin dns? :) |
| 02:50.27 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 02:50.35 | Sam-I-Am | whoops, lappy battery almost went poo |
| 02:50.45 | Sam-I-Am | brb |
| 02:54.53 | scooby2 | find /ftp/.1/debian -name "kernel-image-2.6.7-*" |
| 02:55.00 | scooby2 | finds nothing for powerpc. wth |
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| 03:09.38 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 03:09.54 | Sam-I-Am | well, the new installer is... shitty |
| 03:10.10 | Sam-I-Am | for a simple ncurses interface it sure wastes a lot of time |
| 03:10.20 | Sam-I-Am | its like someone ported OSX to the debian installer |
| 03:10.28 | scooby2 | heh |
| 03:10.36 | randyg | lol |
| 03:10.37 | scooby2 | thats exactly what i think of OSX |
| 03:10.54 | Sam-I-Am | it takes like 5-10 seconds between screens |
| 03:11.07 | Sam-I-Am | this 603e/240 isnt the fastest machine, but it isnt slow |
| 03:11.38 | Sam-I-Am | guess i could get some grub while i wait for the next screen |
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| 03:42.39 | Lowry | hi |
| 03:42.58 | Lowry | I have a powerbook g3 |
| 03:43.31 | Lowry | What are the dri options with a 3d rage pro lt? |
| 03:48.52 | zadigre | hi! anyone has a 2.6.x kernel config file for a Powermac 7300 (or something similar)? I can not get 2.6.9 on my powermac... maybe there is an option I forgot to add/remove... |
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| 05:07.32 | randyg | hmm, I can't seem to google whether linux works on that rs6000 box or not... |
| 05:07.57 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 05:08.03 | Sam-I-Am | damn this installer is such a slug |
| 05:08.06 | Sam-I-Am | its still going |
| 05:08.10 | Sam-I-Am | been what, 3 hours? |
| 05:12.55 | randyg | lol |
| 05:13.14 | randyg | I think I'll ask the guy what else he can put into the box to make it more worth my money. :) |
| 05:14.45 | randyg | different benchmarks show different results... this one shows a 6-way system (the one I'd be getting is 8-way) completely clobbering a p4-2.2ghz, with about 1.5x all the scores... |
| 05:16.36 | Sam-I-Am | oh interesting |
| 05:16.38 | Sam-I-Am | kernel cant find init |
| 05:16.48 | Sam-I-Am | quality new installer |
| 05:17.38 | Sam-I-Am | do i have to pass anything special to the kernel for init? |
| 05:18.12 | Sam-I-Am | like.. init= ? |
| 05:18.37 | randyg | did it mount the right partition as root? |
| 05:18.59 | Sam-I-Am | checkin |
| 05:19.19 | Sam-I-Am | kernel panic: no init found try passing init= option to kernel |
| 05:19.23 | Sam-I-Am | never had to do that before |
| 05:19.47 | Sam-I-Am | cant do anything but reboot |
| 05:20.39 | Sam-I-Am | i've seen 'cant mount root' errors before |
| 05:20.47 | Sam-I-Am | so i think its mounting the root fs |
| 05:21.53 | randyg | boot off the install/rescue media, mount your root partition, see what (if anything) is on it... |
| 05:22.17 | randyg | (note that I have no clue what's wrong; I'm just listing things in the order I'd make random guesses at) |
| 05:22.19 | Sam-I-Am | going to |
| 05:22.23 | Sam-I-Am | yeah |
| 05:25.50 | Sam-I-Am | seems ext3 might be a module |
| 05:25.52 | Sam-I-Am | thats fucking stupid |
| 05:26.08 | Sam-I-Am | then again, i'm not expecting much more from these folks considering the quality of the sarge installer |
| 05:27.19 | randyg | that's not the problem... if your root fs was a module, it wouldn't be able to mount it... rather that not being able to find init. |
| 05:27.25 | randyg | is there anything on the root partition? |
| 05:27.59 | Sam-I-Am | dunno |
| 05:28.05 | Sam-I-Am | it installed for 3 hours |
| 05:28.08 | Sam-I-Am | better be something there |
| 05:28.53 | Sam-I-Am | wouldnt surprise me if the installer forgot init |
| 05:29.20 | Sam-I-Am | anyway, i better get to sleep |
| 05:29.30 | Sam-I-Am | laptop is dying, and i dont feel like messing with this anymore |
| 05:29.42 | Sam-I-Am | i'll give it another go when i'm not pissed off :P |
| 05:29.50 | randyg | heh :) |
| 05:29.51 | Sam-I-Am | or tired |
| 05:30.01 | Sam-I-Am | zzzz |
| 05:30.11 | randyg | I've been fudging with rate quotes on the rs/6000 system... fedex will ship it for $65 if I send it to my boss at work. |
| 05:30.42 | Sam-I-Am | oooo |
| 05:30.44 | Sam-I-Am | zz |
| 05:43.04 | randyg | mrrf! the 604e processors have 32 64-bit floating point registers. that is going to blow x86 so far out of the water for my raytracer... even with sse there's still a heck of a lot of memory loads/stores. |
| 05:44.18 | randyg | of course, sse does four in parallel... |
| 05:44.46 | randyg | but I think memory is the main bottleneck. |
| 05:47.24 | randyg | hmm, guess it works out to be about the same... I have to load/store 4 times as often, but it gets 4 times as much done... never mind. *kicks self for being stupid* |
| 05:52.17 | randyg | grr. but I still can't find any sites documenting whether linux will or will not run on an rs6000 j50... |
| 05:57.50 | randyg | it apparently works on a f50, which looks similar to a j50... |
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| 08:26.16 | randyg | I asked the guy what else he has that I might like... if I can get a pile of other stuff in the same box, will make the shipping on the rs6000 system less painful. :) |
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| 10:56.57 | bluewheel | has anyone had luck with powerbook cpu frequency scaling |
| 10:56.58 | bluewheel | ? |
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| 12:10.55 | crypt | hi |
| 12:11.03 | crypt | there others java linuxppc |
| 12:11.35 | crypt | or blackdown 1.3.1 is the only one? |