| 00:00.23 | simonrvn | i'm hoping the free ones get more mature soon, i'd rather use those, frankly |
| 00:00.25 | elho | hmm, apparently evdev prod ids are not the usb ones |
| 00:00.43 | tmp | IMHO, i would'nt deploy java apps with IBM jre on apple hardware, i got loads of issues at work ... |
| 00:01.09 | tmp | http://www-130.ibm.com/developerworks/java |
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| 00:01.11 | simonrvn | i wouldn't either, if they were os x |
| 00:01.21 | tmp | aye |
| 00:01.38 | McPeo | hi * |
| 00:02.07 | tmp | so much for platform independence .... |
| 00:03.21 | simonrvn | hehe ;) |
| 00:04.06 | elho | how do i find out /dev/event* to actual (hardware) device relation? |
| 00:04.55 | simonrvn | *gasp* hal + gnome-device-manager |
| 00:05.06 | simonrvn | or you can go cat the files |
| 00:06.29 | elho | well, i already tried cat'ing the 2 that pbbuttonsd registers as keyboards, but nothing happens when i type |
| 00:06.51 | simonrvn | cat -v maybe |
| 00:08.33 | elho | nope. at least its consistent with pbbuttonsd dimming the display while i'm typing :P |
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| 00:11.05 | simonrvn | elho: hehe |
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| 01:35.39 | randyg | blah!!!!! |
| 01:35.45 | randyg | the motherboard I bought on ebay is an obvious DOA |
| 01:35.52 | simonrvn | :| |
| 01:36.17 | randyg | half the regulator filter caps are swollen, with the tops shaped like domes. |
| 01:36.27 | Piru | ouch |
| 01:36.45 | simonrvn | icky ouchie |
| 01:37.23 | randyg | "As far as I know this motherboard is in working condition, but is being sold AS IS" |
| 01:37.38 | Piru | how convinient |
| 01:37.46 | randyg | sure, working condition. the last motherboard I had with bad caps stopped booting right around this stage... |
| 01:38.22 | simonrvn | one of the many reasons why i avoid ebay ;) |
| 01:38.28 | randyg | and it's a nice dualie board, that I paid $45 for. |
| 01:38.55 | ishai | randyg, im sorry to hear that |
| 01:39.13 | Piru | hell, I could make a fortune ebaying the compaty trashbin |
| 01:39.20 | Piru | ny |
| 01:39.23 | ishai | I got a bummer mobo from a local shop and had to send it to MSI |
| 01:39.43 | randyg | meaning once again I'm searching for a dual motherboard, except now I'm $45 more broke than before. |
| 01:39.56 | ishai | what kind of dual motherboard? |
| 01:40.00 | Piru | ishai, you had to? the shop didn't swap it for you? |
| 01:40.08 | ishai | Piru, yeah I moved |
| 01:40.15 | randyg | bought a video card from the same guy... two of the caps are missing, obviously sheered off, with physical damage. |
| 01:40.16 | simonrvn | randyg: sorry to hear, nonetheless :| |
| 01:40.17 | Piru | ah |
| 01:40.26 | ishai | but even if I had brought it back they wouldnt have swapped it |
| 01:40.29 | randyg | only paid $0.50 for it though. :) |
| 01:40.40 | simonrvn | selling garbage on ebay. i'd rate him down |
| 01:40.46 | randyg | ishai: dual p3... I have a pair of p3-800 cpus here, need something to stick them in. |
| 01:41.00 | Piru | ah, p3 .. very nice |
| 01:41.02 | simonrvn | anyway, i need to hack on quik |
| 01:41.05 | randyg | sadly I don't have a spare pair of 800mhz ppc cpus, which I'd prefer. :) |
| 01:41.10 | randyg | cyas simon |
| 01:41.12 | Piru | the last pentium I consider good ;) |
| 01:41.30 | randyg | from what I've seen, the p3 does floating point _faster_ than the higher-clocked p4s. |
| 01:41.57 | Piru | sure. also it does for example rc5 tons faster than p4 |
| 01:42.39 | randyg | pisses me off about the motherboard... I really could have used that $45 right now. |
| 01:42.56 | randyg | my plan for tomorrow is to drive some of my tools back to the hardware store and return them, since I need the cash. |
| 01:47.28 | ishai | My plan tomorrow is figure out a way to round up 1200 bucks. |
| 01:48.03 | randyg | heh |
| 01:48.15 | randyg | I'll give you $20 for a dual p3 motherboard. :P |
| 01:49.09 | randyg | anyone want to buy a msi 694d pro motherboard? Believed to work by people suffering from delusions, but sold as is. $45 + shipping. :P |
| 01:49.30 | Piru | _o. |
| 01:50.16 | randyg | ide raid, lots of blinking leds, 2gb ram support, and in need of about 10 hard-to-find caps. |
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| 01:51.10 | mhz | hi you all |
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| 01:55.51 | mhz | I've been trying to use a preconfigured running_debianppc.tbz2 from an iMac and unpack it onto another iMac. To do that, I boot into Gentoo LiveCD#1, mount the hdaXY on /mnt/XY, get the .tbz2 from the other iMac and unpack it. Then, I $ mount -t proc proc /mnt/XY/proc, then i $ chroot /mnt/XY /bin/bash, $ mkofboot -v and reboot. However I do not get the exact same system. Has anyone tried something similar or different but with good results? |
| 01:57.12 | mhz | in short, the question is: Has anyone made an image of a running OS and then install it into another Machine? |
| 01:57.14 | randyg | oh well, I could always list it on ebay. :P |
| 02:07.23 | tmp | mhz: interesting idea, but what do u mean u did'nt get the same system? what changed ?? |
| 02:09.00 | mhz | tmp: links, users could not find their $HOME path (this can be solved easily, I think), etc. |
| 02:10.30 | tmp | but was the partition layout changed? and username path? what is different between the systems? |
| 02:10.44 | mhz | so, either I am messing when I create the .tbz2 or I am totally lost :) |
| 02:11.10 | tmp | links in gnome ??? |
| 02:11.16 | mhz | nop. I carefully made both partition maps exactly as the other one |
| 02:11.41 | thebug | did you make sure to use the 'p' option when using tar? (it's the one that stores permissions...) |
| 02:11.57 | mhz | the only thing was different were the sizes I gave to each partition but AFAIK that is not a problem. |
| 02:12.11 | tmp | yeah, i guess u should try tar -cvpf and tar -xvpf |
| 02:12.27 | thebug | the 'p' is quite important |
| 02:12.58 | mhz | to generate the .tbz2 I used $ tar cvvjpf image.tbz2 . |
| 02:13.15 | mhz | Important detail: |
| 02:14.44 | mhz | I also booted into Gentoo liveCD 1 so I could generate a real image. Basically, I mounted /dev/hda12 (where the running Debian is) and then I $ cd /mnt/debian .Then I used that command I mentioned. |
| 02:15.35 | mhz | tmp: thebug: but if i use 'tar' then I am not sure a whole system will fit into a 700MB Cd |
| 02:16.01 | mhz | hmmm, unless the image contains only fluxbox instead of other desktop. |
| 02:16.35 | mhz | in that case, I have a system of 850 MB that with .tbz2 gets reduced to 480MB |
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| 02:18.21 | thebug | or cpio + bzip compression would do the trick, but that's just sadistic |
| 02:18.24 | tmp | i have moved my homedir from a powerbook to ibook and it has worked mostly (mozilla kept creating a different profile, so i had to import my old one) |
| 02:18.25 | thebug | pax also comes to mind |
| 02:19.04 | tmp | but gnome, apps and local wiki settings worked ok |
| 02:19.07 | mhz | tmp: yep, in that case, Mozilla sucks (a little bit) |
| 02:20.06 | mhz | thebug: no idea about cpio (i only know it is used for back ups) and bzip2 is the one generating .tbz2 |
| 02:20.13 | mhz | pax... i'll find out |
| 02:20.36 | mhz | however, I am not expert on googling but I found nothing regarding the subject. |
| 02:20.44 | tmp | oh well, u should try and find out why, where and what is going wrong? |
| 02:21.22 | mhz | of course :) |
| 02:21.38 | tmp | its a nice experiment ..... |
| 02:21.41 | mhz | also, I am documenting this as soon as I can make it work ;-p |
| 02:22.05 | tmp | if u have a network, you can always mount your home dir over nfs |
| 02:23.50 | ishai | tmp =- by doing that is it possible to have a workstation that boots off the network, starts X with hardware acceleration, and is actually capable of running apps? |
| 02:23.59 | ishai | I dont mind having local swap |
| 02:24.14 | mhz | yep, I also tried that. Obviously, it works. /home is not a problem because in the end you can also 'tar' it and 'untar' it. The 850 MB of a fully customized Debian for iMacs of certain hardware... that is my concern |
| 02:24.39 | ishai | but loading the OS and all remotely =- and therefore keeping the grubby paws of the users off of the storage hardware - sounds like a fantastic idea |
| 02:25.24 | ishai | mhz - yeah Id set it up for a PC, and let the users log into the machine and then it would start X/gnome |
| 02:25.34 | ishai | or whatever |
| 02:25.48 | thebug | http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?pax++NetBSD-current |
| 02:25.52 | thebug | ^ pax |
| 02:26.09 | tmp | ishai: yeah, is'nt it? its called thin client and have been around since late 80's. and its way way different from /home on NFS :P |
| 02:26.27 | ishai | tmp -= Ive been smoking herb for a couple of hours |
| 02:26.29 | ishai | sorry |
| 02:26.31 | thebug | huzzah for X terminals |
| 02:26.40 | randyg | thin client has been around since the first greenscreen terminal was connected to a mainframe. :P |
| 02:26.43 | ishai | Im buying a new cadillac as soon as I sell my tercel |
| 02:27.03 | tmp | X-Terminal, network computer, set-top computer, blah blah *yawn* |
| 02:27.05 | ishai | and I might be able to borrow some money from my stepmom |
| 02:27.22 | ishai | Im getting the black caddy from the beginning of "gone in 60 seconds" |
| 02:27.30 | randyg | I drove my subaru for the first time today in two months... and it barely ran. :( |
| 02:27.53 | randyg | took 20 minutes of cranking to get it to stop stalling, then has been running on 2 cylinders the rest of the day |
| 02:28.02 | mhz | ishai: yep, but THE problem here is that the server is not PPC, but x86, so the only "best" idea I had was to make just one .tbz2 of a shinny fresh installation, and unpack it into other iMacs, so that it should take less than 1 hour p/machine instead of the 5 I spent setting everything for just 1 iMac |
| 02:28.07 | ishai | randyg, put in new plugs, cap , and rotor |
| 02:28.12 | randyg | worked absolutely perfectly two months ago |
| 02:28.17 | ishai | you'll be fine |
| 02:28.19 | randyg | ishai: my thoughts too. don't have the cash. |
| 02:28.27 | tmp | nice nice, now can u guys pls move to channel #/dev/null :P |
| 02:28.46 | mhz | :) |
| 02:28.54 | ishai | randyg, why are you buying dual cpu mobos when you could have spent that 40 bucks on carparts man!?!?!? |
| 02:29.05 | ishai | randyg, wanna buy a 4wd tercel? |
| 02:29.08 | randyg | because I didn't know then I would be this short cash |
| 02:29.25 | randyg | the fucking salespeople left for a month long vacation, so I've had no work. |
| 02:29.31 | randyg | two installs this month |
| 02:29.34 | randyg | vs 2-3 a day |
| 02:29.49 | ishai | what do you install? |
| 02:29.56 | randyg | DirecTV dishes |
| 02:30.06 | ishai | I have directv and it rules. |
| 02:30.13 | randyg | I don't have a TV. |
| 02:30.16 | ishai | it kicks the ass off of digital cable |
| 02:30.32 | ishai | spend 20 bucks and get a bt848 or 878 card |
| 02:30.37 | randyg | probably the only directv installer to not have a tv, much less directv. :) |
| 02:30.39 | randyg | why? |
| 02:30.40 | tmp | mhz: i'm assuming that stuff like bash , procmailrc works , i was wondering which of the settings don't work |
| 02:30.42 | thebug | considering that digital cable isn't digital anyway... |
| 02:30.43 | randyg | 270 channels and nothing on |
| 02:31.31 | ishai | Id be stoked to just pay for the 5 channels I do watch |
| 02:31.44 | randyg | I can't stand tv |
| 02:31.54 | mhz | tmp: ahhh, sorry. I misunderstood (my english is not native) |
| 02:34.10 | ishai | how can you have such wondrous rants and not watch the news, it seems like a waste of potential |
| 02:34.18 | ishai | brb weed is here |
| 02:34.26 | randyg | lol |
| 02:35.03 | randyg | don't worry, I'm not in the ranting mood tonight... more the depressed need-someone-to-snuggle-but-doesn't-have-anyone mood. made the mistake of watching The Wall.... |
| 02:35.53 | mhz | tmp: right now, I am making a new fresh image. Any errors, I'll post them here if you like. |
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| 02:36.54 | tmp | sure m8 , cheers |
| 02:37.44 | mhz | tmp: also, I'll wiki all the steps I've done to get where i am, so if you prefer, I'll send you the url once is wikied ? |
| 02:39.01 | tmp | mhz: neat, that'll be nice m8, i'll have a general idea then. |
| 02:39.25 | mhz | free as in freedom, right? |
| 02:39.32 | mhz | :) |
| 02:40.00 | tmp | or freemasons |
| 02:40.05 | mhz | :D |
| 02:40.06 | tmp | rofl |
| 02:40.28 | randyg | that reminds me... I've been meaning to start my own religion one of these days. |
| 02:41.11 | tmp | "The Depraved" by RandyG |
| 02:41.19 | mhz | LOL |
| 02:41.24 | randyg | Except a religion that teaches reasoning and intellectual development will probably have members smart enough to realise that religion is bad, thus being self-defeating. |
| 02:41.38 | mhz | exactly |
| 02:42.31 | tmp | religion is'nt bad, some people who preach religion is bad/zelous. |
| 02:42.40 | mhz | yep |
| 02:43.57 | randyg | and life sucks, of course. :) |
| 02:44.22 | mhz | no more than "M$" |
| 02:44.25 | mhz | :) |
| 02:44.44 | tmp | As an analogy , let me point out software industry, MS is a monopoly , but that does'nt mean every software developer out there is bad, only MS is bad. |
| 02:44.47 | randyg | dunno. M$ seems more a symptom of a larger problem than a problem itself. |
| 02:45.04 | randyg | why do people feel the need to hurt others for their own benefit? |
| 02:45.14 | mhz | right on those points |
| 02:45.40 | mhz | because of a lack of knowledge. |
| 02:45.45 | randyg | I gave up on humans a long time ago. *fluffs his tail and sighs* :P |
| 02:47.53 | randyg | it's not a lack of knowledge |
| 02:48.05 | randyg | you don't need to learn that hurting people is wrong |
| 02:48.22 | mhz | ah, you ment "intentionally"? |
| 02:48.39 | randyg | or accidentally. the latter is just not thinking of consequences. |
| 02:51.11 | randyg | people seem selfish, greedy, unthinking, uncaring, insensative, unintelligent,... either humans aren't humane, or the definition of humane needs to be updated. |
| 02:51.24 | randyg | did I mention I'm depressed and pissed at the world tonight? :) |
| 02:51.52 | mhz | nop, but I may agree with you if that's ok :) |
| 02:52.01 | randyg | lol |
| 02:52.07 | mhz | :D |
| 02:53.56 | randyg | plus I'm mad at myself... for being skint, for not working hard enough, for lacking the ability to exercise my creative side (or even see if I have one), for being inarticulate, for ranting on #debianppc about the mood I'm in,... |
| 02:55.03 | mhz | hhmmm, maybe you just finished a session of MS Windows? |
| 02:55.09 | randyg | nope |
| 02:55.35 | mhz | then, at least there's something good in you life! |
| 02:55.40 | mhz | :) |
| 02:55.48 | randyg | I don't have to ever see windoze boxes anymore. :) |
| 02:55.48 | randyg | I even converted my elderly mother to debian. |
| 02:56.04 | mhz | GRRREEEEEAAAAATTTTT! |
| 02:56.15 | randyg | she's the type who has a 1" thick notebook she writes down computer usage instructions in... and she raves about how much better off she is with windows gone. :) |
| 02:56.32 | randyg | her only complaint is the tv-out plug on her s3 video card doesn't work |
| 02:57.09 | mhz | bummer |
| 02:57.51 | randyg | and that cups is incapable of dealing with turning a usb printer on/off without restarting cupsys. |
| 02:58.23 | mhz | well, another bummer |
| 02:59.25 | randyg | anyway, I'm too depressed to care about windows. :P |
| 03:00.22 | ishai | I dont see why people are upset at windows |
| 03:00.25 | ishai | it is what it is |
| 03:00.39 | ishai | a shitty os that runs really fun software |
| 03:00.57 | randyg | what fun software is there for windows? |
| 03:00.58 | ishai | one best placed behind a linux firewall |
| 03:01.12 | ishai | randy, games and audio video apps |
| 03:01.29 | ishai | protools, cubase, acid pro, avid |
| 03:01.45 | ishai | none of which are even close to running on linux |
| 03:02.05 | randyg | never heard of them |
| 03:02.32 | ishai | they are for realtime multitrack recording, processing and video processing |
| 03:03.08 | ishai | I dont think there is a linux app out yet that comes close to protools or even cubase for multitrack recording and effects |
| 03:03.31 | randyg | dunno, I've never needed to do much more than play mp3s, and xmms does that nicely. :) |
| 03:03.43 | ishai | heh heh yeah its a great little winamp clone |
| 03:04.05 | ishai | I wonder if it has internet radio and tv built into it yet |
| 03:04.45 | randyg | yep |
| 03:04.49 | ishai | nice |
| 03:04.49 | pahartik | ishai: MacOS X is good for audio and video... |
| 03:05.09 | ishai | pahartik, it is unmatched - there is no equal for MacOS and Pro tools. |
| 03:05.56 | ishai | pahartik, I am pretty sure thats what most pros use |
| 03:06.23 | randyg | cyas mhz |
| 03:06.26 | ishai | 3,4,5 whatever |
| 03:06.43 | ishai | i'd have a recording studio set up in no time |
| 03:06.44 | randyg | you'd give 5 testicles? :P |
| 03:06.48 | randyg | *ducks* |
| 03:06.48 | ishai | sure] |
| 03:07.28 | ishai | ill trade an athlon xp 2500+ for a dual g3 |
| 03:07.43 | ishai | 512mb ram, nvidia gf4mx440 |
| 03:07.52 | ishai | pci128 sound card |
| 03:07.59 | ishai | good stuff!!! |
| 03:08.11 | ishai | or 5 hog testes. |
| 03:08.15 | randyg | I'll trade you a dual p3 motherboard for it. :) |
| 03:08.23 | ishai | hell, trade for one and ill throw the other one in for free |
| 03:08.27 | ishai | weeds here - again |
| 03:12.45 | randyg | sigh. it's annoying having a song in your head, that you're pretty sure is in your mp3 collection somewhere, but not being able to remember what it is. |
| 03:16.56 | randyg | and, of course, google in its amazing helpfullness returns nothing but porn when you do any query with the word "love" in it. |
| 03:19.35 | randyg | apt: what is furry? |
| 03:19.36 | apt | hmm... furry is a large portion of OSS developers. (a large portion of the rest of the population is furry too, for that matter). For more information on furry culture, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom |
| 03:19.41 | randyg | LOL |
| 03:20.06 | randyg | it has a memory. :) |
| 03:26.34 | ishai | if i want to install java (I want the mozilla plugin) do I apt-get install java? |
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| 04:50.45 | mhz | tmp: IT WORKED!!! |
| 04:57.52 | simonrvn | @comfort ravenbird |
| 04:57.55 | simonrvn | @comfort randyg |
| 04:57.56 | ravenbird | There, there, ravenbird. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:57.56 | ravenbird | There, there, randyg. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:58.06 | simonrvn | woops, damned tab complete |
| 05:09.07 | randyg | lol |
| 05:18.39 | simonrvn | yeh :) |
| 05:19.29 | sfire||mouse | hehe |
| 05:21.47 | randyg | I don't usually play games, but right now too pissed off to do anything requiring thought |
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| 05:30.06 | simonrvn | i know what you mean |
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| 05:58.21 | ishai | good evening |
| 05:59.16 | paster | "tmp" at 81.155.7.72 pasted "Fire , walk with me!" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/104 |