| 00:00.43 | simonrvn | if it's modular, and you haven't included it in /etc/modules, of course not (or haven't installed hotplug) |
| 00:01.08 | karim | ok |
| 00:01.27 | simonrvn | put it in /etc/modules |
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| 00:02.31 | karim | yes I have done that |
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| 00:10.04 | karim | simonrvn, do you think a pmac can handle working without the alimentation fan ? |
| 00:10.20 | karim | it makes to much noise |
| 00:10.28 | simonrvn | you mean the power supply fan? no |
| 00:10.50 | karim | ok |
| 00:19.31 | randyg | is it a bad sign that I have two identical motherboards... except one has one capacitor installed opposite the way it is on the other board, and opposite the board markings? |
| 00:22.31 | simonrvn | i would say so |
| 00:25.15 | randyg | interestingly, the one where it's installed according to the board markings has vented, while the one installed backwards is only slightly swollen. :) |
| 00:25.36 | simonrvn | hm |
| 00:26.18 | randyg | and according to a forum posting, someone noticed the same thing, measured the voltage, and found out backwards was correct... |
| 00:27.01 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 00:27.36 | karim | anycommand I should had to the kernel config to have a corect kernel boot logging display ? |
| 00:27.47 | karim | to the quik config |
| 00:28.22 | simonrvn | see if the kernel supports the video, first |
| 00:29.04 | karim | I have the pinguin logo a the top left |
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| 00:29.12 | karim | I will check the video support |
| 00:30.00 | miggumike | i'm home from school. and when i hook my linux box up to my cable modem it doesn't connect to the internet. how can i change my connection settings? |
| 00:30.15 | simonrvn | @man interfaces |
| 00:30.25 | simonrvn | ~man inerfaces |
| 00:30.29 | simonrvn | ~man interfaces |
| 00:30.30 | apt | For DHCP: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet dhcp For static: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address xx.xx.xx.xx (newline)(tab) netmask nn.nn.nn.nn (newline)(tab) gateway gg.gg.gg.gg |
| 00:30.35 | simonrvn | ~interfaces |
| 00:30.36 | apt | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man ... |
| 00:32.44 | randyg | or just be a lazy bastard like myself and put "dhclient" at the end of /etc/init.d/networking. :) |
| 00:34.29 | randyg | acutally, I think on this box I did it right... 'twas my old box I was lazy on. |
| 00:35.43 | simonrvn | that is very lazy =) |
| 00:36.32 | randyg | lol |
| 00:40.07 | karim | simonrvn, what kernel entry correspond to video ? |
| 00:40.39 | simonrvn | what are you looking at? |
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| 00:41.11 | karim | I grepped the config file |
| 00:41.13 | karim | on video |
| 00:41.37 | simonrvn | eh. di you at least use -i on grep? :) |
| 00:41.45 | simonrvn | heh*, did* |
| 00:41.51 | karim | yes ! |
| 00:41.56 | simonrvn | look for CONTROL |
| 00:41.59 | simonrvn | ok ;) |
| 00:42.30 | simonrvn | less /boot/config-$(uname -r) gets you your urrent conf |
| 00:42.32 | simonrvn | c |
| 00:43.08 | simonrvn | i name them that way even if it's not a make-kpkg built one |
| 00:43.41 | karim | I am installing less :) |
| 00:44.29 | simonrvn | you didn't have less installed? how have you been reading man pages? with more? IIICK |
| 00:45.05 | randyg | LOL |
| 00:46.10 | karim | I don't read mans on this box |
| 00:46.37 | karim | but now I know why I could only do space |
| 00:46.39 | karim | :) |
| 00:48.21 | karim | simonrvn, CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=y ? |
| 00:48.34 | simonrvn | that's part of it |
| 00:49.11 | simonrvn | CONFIG_FB_OF=y |
| 00:49.12 | simonrvn | CONFIG_FB_CONTROL=y |
| 00:51.32 | karim | I have both of them |
| 00:51.49 | karim | CONFIG_FB=y |
| 00:52.38 | karim | maybe I must do a pram reset, I don't know |
| 00:52.52 | simonrvn | CONFIG_FB=y "just" enables framebuffer |
| 00:53.12 | karim | yes, but almost everything is on yes |
| 00:53.34 | karim | at least CONFIG_FB_OF and CONFIG_FB_CONTROL are yes |
| 00:54.15 | karim | I test again |
| 00:56.17 | karim | still not. In fact it's weird, I have the pinguin, but just under it, there is the cursor, and the cursor got many colored pixels flicking in it |
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| 00:58.31 | simonrvn | strange. do you have another video card to test it with? |
| 00:59.01 | karim | no |
| 00:59.48 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 03:45.46 | randyg | hrmm. new item on list of "when I have time" projects: ebay search / research tool |
| 03:47.01 | randyg | I think the majority of suspicious auctions could be detected by numerical means... |
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| 09:02.58 | dloer | whats the name of the soundcard module for ibooks with 2.6.9 |
| 09:04.05 | simonrvn | snd-powermac |
| 09:06.37 | dloer | where to find in the kernel config? |
| 09:08.18 | simonrvn | device drivers -> sound i think |
| 09:09.05 | dloer | there is a powermac option, but i cannot find a card in the pci section? |
| 09:09.21 | simonrvn | you're looking in the wrong place. mac ppc has its own section |
| 09:09.28 | dloer | oh damn I'm just too stupid |
| 09:09.33 | simonrvn | nah |
| 09:09.35 | dloer | yes thanks, just tumbled across it |
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| 13:03.30 | chipi | hi. |
| 13:18.13 | dj-death | hi |
| 13:18.27 | Bor_Ed | hi, |
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| 15:53.19 | Bor_Ed | ok, picking up the box torommow it seems |
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| 16:39.04 | Q-FUNK | Bor_Ed: box? |
| 16:40.07 | Bor_Ed | 4400/200, 80M ram etc from univ auction |
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| 18:22.06 | simonrvn | @info quik sarge |
| 18:22.17 | ravenbird | quik: (Bootloader for PowerMac or CHRP systems), section base, is important. Version: 2.0e-11 (testing), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 18:22.27 | simonrvn | @info quik sid |
| 18:22.41 | simonrvn | @info quik woody |
| 18:22.54 | simonrvn | @info quik potato |
| 18:23.00 | ravenbird | quik: (Bootloader for PowerMac or CHRP systems), section base, is important. Version: 2.0e-0.6 (stable), Packaged size: 213 kB, Installed size: 520 kB |
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| 19:35.41 | SeaForth | many PPC mac G4 and G5 users here? |
| 19:36.13 | SeaForth | I want to install Debian PPC on my eMac G4 1.25 ghz system and get GNUstep rolling on it ASAP. Is this the right place to come for some help and directions? |
| 19:36.34 | simonrvn | install it first, then we'll talk ;) |
| 19:36.47 | Bor_Ed | just put recent sarge install cd in, boot from it and that's pretty much it |
| 19:37.32 | simonrvn | @sagre install guide |
| 19:37.37 | simonrvn | @sarge install guide |
| 19:37.38 | ravenbird | go see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for the install guide. |
| 19:38.04 | simonrvn | if you get stuck, or here, or debian-powerpc maling list |
| 19:38.12 | SeaForth | can I keep my OSX partition and dual boot without much trouble? |
| 19:38.20 | simonrvn | gah, fuck this one handed typing |
| 19:38.24 | simonrvn | yes |
| 19:39.02 | SeaForth | anyone here an 'expert' with PPC debian and gnustep? |
| 19:39.03 | Bor_Ed | you have dvorak japanese keyboard simonrvn ? :) |
| 19:44.51 | simonrvn | ha! riight |
| 19:45.20 | simonrvn | SeaForth: please don't meta-ask, or ask for gurus. any sane guru will be hiding assoon as they see that |
| 19:45.28 | Bor_Ed | lol |
| 19:45.37 | Bor_Ed | and even 2 week old n00bs too |
| 19:45.45 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 19:47.17 | simonrvn | got a few too, before they got the page they were on back ;) |
| 19:48.00 | simonrvn | it's set up so when you comment, you return to the page you were on before your comment. |
| 19:48.50 | simonrvn | null route (for the newbies) is basically you turn the 2 way communication between the host and the client ip into a blackhole |
| 19:50.35 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I'd need to setup some for some ranges ... |
| 19:51.19 | SeaForth | is there some protocol to ask, how about... Yo, dudez, how about some masta blaster expert help here. |
| 19:51.36 | simonrvn | just ask your question |
| 19:51.41 | SeaForth | already did |
| 19:52.26 | SeaForth | thanks for the tip though, I'm still reeling in disbelief. |
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| 19:52.52 | simonrvn | well, install it, make sure you choose sarge, and do apt-get install x-window-system-core gnustep |
| 19:52.58 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 19:53.01 | Bor_Ed | long gone |
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| 20:35.08 | randyg | simonrvn: lol |
| 20:44.15 | simonrvn | randyg: what's funny this time? :) |
| 20:44.45 | simonrvn | i wanna know what made you giggle, so i can vary it accordingly :P |
| 20:46.32 | randyg | the "is confused, and sighs", and dealing with seaforth. :P |
| 20:46.48 | simonrvn | oh. ok, i thought so =) |
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| 20:47.46 | simonrvn | when s/he said "SeaForth ) already did" i said to myself "what question?" |
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| 20:49.04 | randyg | he asked lots of questions. "any g4/g5 users here?" "is the the right place to ask?" "can I keep osx" "anyone here an expert?" "is there a protocol to ask?" ... |
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| 20:49.42 | Bor_Ed | lots of 'bombing' |
| 20:49.45 | simonrvn | yeh, but nothing really concrete and more of the "meta-question" brand |
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| 20:50.02 | randyg | yep |
| 20:50.37 | simonrvn | it's like: "yes"; "yes"; yes"; "yes"; "@+guru"; "@+ask" |
| 20:50.40 | ctr | I want to know how long we need to wait until we get wifi on g4 ibooks :) |
| 20:50.49 | simonrvn | get a usb wifi card |
| 20:50.53 | randyg | tell him to learn lisp or something. good for people to like meta-problems. :) |
| 20:50.59 | simonrvn | and go bug broadcom |
| 20:51.03 | randyg | s/to/who |
| 20:51.11 | simonrvn | haha |
| 20:51.44 | randyg | placing an order right now for about 100 capacitors... |
| 20:51.51 | simonrvn | heh |
| 20:51.51 | randyg | anyone want to help pay for them? :P |
| 20:52.03 | Bor_Ed | smd or mount through ? |
| 20:52.10 | randyg | through-hole |
| 20:52.26 | Bor_Ed | aww, can't help on that... our section has only smd junk |
| 20:52.49 | Bor_Ed | though you want to study soldering of those ? I could send a reel or 2 :D |
| 20:52.51 | randyg | all the caps on my other 694d board exploded... so I now have two msi 694d boards and a fic ka11 that need new caps. |
| 20:53.29 | randyg | I don't much care for SMT soldering... too many little parts. :) |
| 20:53.36 | Bor_Ed | bleh |
| 20:53.48 | Bor_Ed | smd caps are _huge_ |
| 20:54.06 | randyg | my hands aren't steady enough to solder the real small smt parts without a lot of effort. |
| 20:54.31 | simonrvn | even with all the coffee ;) |
| 20:54.32 | randyg | Bor_Ed: depends on the type... I've seen some smt caps that are probably 0.3mm by 0.8mm... |
| 20:54.32 | Bor_Ed | I solder nowadays even qfp's with standard iron tip and without microscope |
| 20:54.39 | randyg | could hardly see the little ones |
| 20:55.01 | Bor_Ed | 0.3x0.8 are still on the relatively big side |
| 20:55.11 | randyg | Bor_Ed: last week I soldered some SMT caps using a 140 watt gun. the tip was four times the size of the part... |
| 20:55.20 | Bor_Ed | lol |
| 20:55.37 | simonrvn | hehhe |
| 20:55.39 | Bor_Ed | well that requires some luck not to burn the components while jointing |
| 20:55.43 | randyg | needle-nose pliers are a godsend. |
| 20:55.57 | Bor_Ed | we use tweezers (sp) at work |
| 20:56.12 | randyg | yep |
| 20:56.20 | randyg | these weren't quite that small though. :) |
| 20:56.35 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 20:56.45 | randyg | I've done smt soldering, just don't like doing it any more than needed. |
| 20:57.07 | randyg | used to have access to some really odd/cool soldering iron... seemed to use microwaves. the "cord" was naught but a waveguide... |
| 20:58.47 | randyg | never got to actually use it though |
| 20:59.13 | Bor_Ed | I prefer nowadays to use smd over mount through components, 5 months in a robot smd assembly line might've made some diff |
| 20:59.35 | randyg | heh |
| 20:59.49 | randyg | I'm repairing motherboards... I use what they used. :P |
| 20:59.58 | Bor_Ed | mmm |
| 21:00.09 | randyg | I do all my prototypes with wirewrap, where through-hole is the only option... |
| 21:00.14 | Bor_Ed | where I can apply for such job, sounds fun ? :) |
| 21:00.37 | randyg | it's not a job... I've just had three of my motherboards die. |
| 21:01.04 | Bor_Ed | right |
| 21:01.18 | Bor_Ed | I have dead 8200 board here |
| 21:01.25 | Bor_Ed | dumping it though |
| 21:02.27 | randyg | one board just has every capacitor swollen and buldging, another has 4 vented out the top and the rest swollen/buldging, and the third had two blow out the bottoms and cover the pcb in electrolyte, with the rest buldging and swollen... |
| 21:04.10 | Bor_Ed | you have cold spray handy ? |
| 21:04.20 | denken | http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2004/02/msg00445.html |
| 21:04.24 | denken | thats interesting to know... |
| 21:04.52 | randyg | Bor_Ed: why? |
| 21:05.10 | Bor_Ed | if the caps aren't only thing blown up |
| 21:05.30 | Bor_Ed | you can locate the buggered chips easier with cold spray |
| 21:05.50 | randyg | I'm willing to bet it's just the caps |
| 21:05.58 | randyg | one gradually became less and less stable |
| 21:06.14 | randyg | one stopped seeing the second cpu, started rebooting during POST, etc |
| 21:06.47 | randyg | and this one is still running, even though 4 caps have vented copiously out their tops. going to fix it before it gets worse. |
| 21:07.58 | randyg | I'll probably have to replace the caps on this one without removing the cpus... took me three hours to wrangle the heat sinks into place. stupid "ultra high contact pressure" clips... they're so tight I was worried about cracking the die while putting them on. |
| 21:08.28 | randyg | good news is the cpus run at 30 degrees. :) |
| 21:08.53 | Bor_Ed | lol |
| 21:09.03 | simonrvn | that's good for x86 cpus |
| 21:09.40 | randyg | three hours to get them on, plus another three with a file carving out notches for all the components that were in the way... they're "slightly" oversized. |
| 21:10.37 | randyg | giant orb fansinks |
| 21:10.37 | randyg | running cpus at 30-35 degrees ain't easy. :) |
| 21:10.44 | Bor_Ed | temperature : 21-25 C (uncalibrated) |
| 21:11.04 | pahartik | mt |
| 21:11.09 | simonrvn | temperature : 32 C (uncalibrated) |
| 21:11.20 | randyg | these are p3s... 30 degrees is much more of an accomplishment. |
| 21:11.24 | simonrvn | that's with 5 HDDs in the case |
| 21:11.27 | Bor_Ed | 30-35 is though call :o |
| 21:11.51 | simonrvn | i have to leave the case cover off :(. otherwise it goes to 36+ |
| 21:12.16 | randyg | simonrvn: what's the maximum for those? intel rates these at 85 or something... |
| 21:12.47 | simonrvn | it's a newertech g3/300. have no idea |
| 21:12.59 | simonrvn | daughtercard |
| 21:13.04 | randyg | heh |
| 21:13.33 | randyg | I like rock-solid stability... this box has crashed exactly 0 times. even with 4 caps exploded and the rest swollen, it's still stable. |
| 21:13.40 | randyg | although I doubt it will be for much longer |
| 21:13.45 | simonrvn | got plenty of ram though, but i'd like to max out thebox. it's at 512 MB |
| 21:13.55 | randyg | the rate the caps are growing seems to be increasing... |
| 21:14.12 | randyg | 2gb here. :) |
| 21:14.21 | simonrvn | this box is stable. can't say the same for the kernel |
| 21:14.25 | randyg | heh |
| 21:14.30 | simonrvn | this will max out at 1 GB |
| 21:14.46 | randyg | gimp really likes the extra ram |
| 21:14.49 | simonrvn | (1996-7 tech. ;) |
| 21:15.03 | Bor_Ed | buggr this handles only 768M ram |
| 21:15.05 | simonrvn | hmm, more like 95-96 |
| 21:15.07 | randyg | with 2gb, I can set it to 500 levels of undo without it complaining.... |
| 21:16.01 | randyg | (when using a tablet, gimp counts every time the pen tip leaves the surface as starting another level... so 500 goes by very quickly) |
| 21:16.25 | simonrvn | i think part f the stability issue is my funky half-assed termination. not sure if the raid card's scsi cable is terminating properly |
| 21:16.36 | randyg | heh |
| 21:16.40 | simonrvn | aah, ok |
| 21:16.54 | randyg | ide here... and not using the onboard ide raid controller. |
| 21:17.07 | simonrvn | i just hope i "stumble" on some adb tablets one day |
| 21:17.11 | randyg | the 694d has two normal ide ports and two raid ide ports |
| 21:17.16 | randyg | adb is REALLY cheap. |
| 21:17.43 | randyg | a 4x5 Intuos will only set you back $25 for one with the pen... |
| 21:17.55 | simonrvn | really? |
| 21:17.58 | randyg | yep |
| 21:18.03 | randyg | no one buys adb tablets on ebay |
| 21:18.24 | simonrvn | ebay again, argh |
| 21:18.30 | randyg | the only ones that sell seem to sell and the ones with pens, and they sell very close to the cost of a replacement pen... |
| 21:20.13 | randyg | and if you don't mind using an ArtzII tablet instead of an Intuos, then even the pen isn't worth anything, so they sell for $5... |
| 21:20.44 | randyg | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4601&item=5150226139&rd=1 <== example |
| 21:21.40 | randyg | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3680&item=5150445923&rd=1 <== with brand new pen... no bids at $4.99 |
| 21:23.48 | simonrvn | randyg: can i /msg you? |
| 21:23.51 | randyg | sure |
| 21:24.46 | randyg | the only people I don't like messaging me are the same type who ask for experts, you tell them to just ask their question, then they assume you're an expert and start bugging you to help them. |
| 21:25.00 | Bor_Ed | mmmm |
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| 21:25.48 | simonrvn | randyg: hehe, exactly :). i tell them "don't /msg me." then they ask after being told "at least ask first" if they can /msg you and i say "no you can't" |
| 21:26.17 | Bor_Ed | randyg: /msg me ? ;) |
| 21:26.24 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 21:26.38 | simonrvn | need coffee, brb |
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| 21:29.03 | ioops | hi |
| 21:30.06 | simonrvn | hi |
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