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| 00:58.11 | js | i formatted a hd with ext3 that already had a mac filesystem, is there any way i can get my data back |
| 00:59.32 | simonrvn | if you're willing to pay through the nose for a data recovery service, no |
| 00:59.34 | randyg | depends on if the format overwrote all the data, or just a few blocks... in the first case, not without spending a few million dollars. in the second case, not without spending a few thousand dollars, or being seriously good with a hex editor. |
| 00:59.41 | simonrvn | not willing* |
| 01:00.39 | js | i partitioned it, and then deleted the partitions, both times, OS X said that the disk wasn't readable |
| 01:01.21 | randyg | are you trying to get the entire disk back, or just a few important text files? |
| 01:01.47 | js | the entire disk, with mostly iMovie files (it's a 500GB Lacie Big Disk) |
| 01:02.42 | randyg | and are you intimate with the smallest details of both ext3 and the filesystem that was on it before? |
| 01:03.30 | js | no.. i am somewhat new to Linux and certainly file systems... all i know is that it was already formatted to work on my eMac when I got it |
| 01:03.33 | randyg | it's pretty unlikely you'll be able to recover it after a reformat |
| 01:04.10 | randyg | a data recovery place could do it, but they'll probably get you for at least $500 |
| 01:04.21 | simonrvn | yeh :| |
| 01:04.22 | randyg | and the recovery might not be complete |
| 01:04.37 | simonrvn | @unix lessons |
| 01:04.45 | simonrvn | @+unix lessons |
| 01:04.46 | ravenbird | i heard unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 01:05.01 | js | I didn't format it... i just partitioned it with the Debian PPC install disc 1 |
| 01:05.27 | randyg | try recreating _exactly_ the same partition structure you had before. |
| 01:05.28 | simonrvn | um, partman *did* reformat the thing |
| 01:06.02 | simonrvn | it runs mac-fdisk with the data you gave it and does a mkfs.* /dev/foo on it |
| 01:06.24 | js | I don't think I did have any partitions, but i did delete the partitions that had Linux installed on them, and it still doesn't work.. |
| 01:06.30 | simonrvn | sorry to say, but that's what happens |
| 01:06.33 | randyg | simonrvn: does it do a destructive block test by default? |
| 01:06.40 | simonrvn | no |
| 01:07.01 | randyg | simonrvn: then the data is still there, except for where a few blocks were clobbered... |
| 01:07.19 | simonrvn | maybe |
| 01:07.31 | js | So is it recoverable without spending a few thousand dollars? |
| 01:07.36 | randyg | js: no |
| 01:08.02 | randyg | unless, as I said, you're very good with filesystems... |
| 01:08.02 | js | which i am definetly not |
| 01:08.23 | randyg | a data recovery place, for the few thousand dollars, will sit someone down who _is_ good at it, and try to reconstruct it... |
| 01:09.05 | js | is there anything that i can try to recover data without hiring a pro? |
| 01:09.27 | randyg | there may be tools that could help you, but I don't know. |
| 01:09.27 | randyg | small text files (emails, etc) could be recovered by simply grepping the raw device in some cases |
| 01:10.00 | js | would there be anyway of recovering iMovie files or quicktime files? |
| 01:10.52 | randyg | not without a tool that could search the remains of the filesystem and try to recover the structure... I don't know mac filesystems, so don't know how they'd go about it. |
| 01:11.05 | randyg | you might have to chalk this up as a lesson to why backups are a good thing. |
| 01:11.42 | js | Yeah... except backing up over 200GB of data would be annoying on DVD, infact that is exactly way it was on my external... |
| 01:12.18 | randyg | my last backups was 83 cdrs... |
| 01:12.21 | randyg | backup |
| 01:12.59 | js | how long did that take? |
| 01:13.36 | randyg | 5 minutes a cd... |
| 01:14.07 | js | 7 hours... thats why i didn't back it up on CD or even DVD |
| 01:14.21 | randyg | heh |
| 01:14.39 | randyg | I was doing housework at the time, so just stopped by the computer every 5 minutes to swap cds |
| 01:14.55 | js | cool.. thanks for the help.. |
| 01:16.33 | randyg | bbl, need to go get dinner |
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| 01:26.17 | lothwen | someone know if is there a precompiled package for monodevelop ?? |
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| 01:37.13 | beaufils | Any chance to make my broadcom wireless card (aka Airport extreme) run on an Apple Powerbook G4 Aluminium ? |
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| 01:49.52 | randyg | beaufils: slim to none, from what I've heard |
| 01:50.48 | beaufils | randyg: anyway to change this f*****g card with one which is supported by Linux ? |
| 01:51.32 | randyg | I've heard of people using usb dongles... I don't have the laptop, so don't know much about it. |
| 01:51.48 | randyg | someone here who has one would be far more helpful. :) |
| 01:53.53 | beaufils | randyg: thx |
| 01:56.01 | randyg | unfortunately, from the lack of response, I'm not sure any of them are around... stay and someone will probably be back soon. or you can try google. :) |
| 02:01.38 | karim | what is the difference between discover and hotplug ? |
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| 02:11.41 | beaufils | randyg: just tried google with no rassuring news ... :-( |
| 02:13.04 | beaufils | karim: for what I know discover is used to detect new hardware (mainly at boot time) hotplug is used to manage plugging and unplugging hardware (using script to (de)configure them). |
| 02:13.28 | karim | merci |
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| 02:30.33 | jjbenham | My adapter died on my powerbook. How do you recomend replacing it. I have a friend who is still covered under apple care. Do you think I can give it to her so she can exchange it? |
| 02:51.41 | randyg | jjbenham: how, exactly, is that related to debian? |
| 02:52.01 | randyg | and I don't think many people here would recommend fraud. |
| 02:55.10 | simonrvn | jjbenham: do that again, and expect to be kick banned |
| 02:56.44 | jjbenham | sorry |
| 02:56.51 | jjbenham | my powerbook is running debian |
| 02:57.03 | jjbenham | I just wondered if any of you had a better idea |
| 02:57.20 | randyg | buy a new one |
| 02:57.20 | jjbenham | It just makes me angry because I hardly even used that adapter |
| 02:57.29 | simonrvn | whether or not it's running debian isn't the issue here |
| 02:57.31 | jjbenham | for $75 for something I hardly used |
| 02:57.59 | jjbenham | I heard the remington was cheaper and more durable |
| 03:01.33 | grivell | jjbenham: Do a google search for the answer :) |
| 03:02.44 | jjbenham | I have. I might just let it rot out of priciple or send apple a letter seeing that I have not used it much and it is the first Apple I ever owned |
| 03:06.35 | grivell | I just hope by the time G5 laptops come, r300.sf.net will have a workable driver. |
| 03:07.52 | randyg | goes the gatos driver work with those? |
| 03:10.26 | grivell | Not sure |
| 03:12.48 | randyg | "These drivers should work fine with any Mach64, Rage128 or Radeon card" |
| 03:12.59 | simonrvn | are they binary only? |
| 03:13.09 | simonrvn | do they have ppc builds? |
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| 03:13.34 | randyg | they're OSS, and I have no clue if it works on ppc or not. :) |
| 03:13.36 | kayali | hi there |
| 03:14.35 | randyg | All-in-Wonder Radeon 9700 (Radeon300) |
| 03:14.36 | randyg | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.38 | randyg | n/m |
| 03:14.45 | randyg | they don't support the card yet. :) |
| 03:15.43 | simonrvn | i know min is, it's a rage lt pro |
| 03:15.47 | simonrvn | mine* |
| 03:16.03 | simonrvn | (yes, *ancient*) |
| 03:16.25 | randyg | heh |
| 03:16.53 | randyg | two of that lot of 4 items I bought were Geforce4 cards... pisses me off they're all broken. |
| 03:18.42 | randyg | nice ones with digital out, etc |
| 03:18.51 | simonrvn | :) |
| 03:19.32 | randyg | ...neither of which works or is likely to ever work |
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| 03:50.10 | randyg | great... just got a visit from an investigator, looking for my father. |
| 03:52.54 | randyg | fortunately, I was able to quite honestly say I don't know or care where he is... |
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| 03:57.46 | randyg | heyas |
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| 04:10.08 | Mestapheles | hi |
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| 07:40.35 | Mestapheles | anyone here? |
| 07:41.22 | grivell | me |
| 07:42.12 | Mestapheles | hi |
| 07:42.34 | Mestapheles | Has anyone had trouble getting the OS X partition to partition in an earlier partition and Free Spcae for linux latter? I'm using disk utility |
| 07:44.02 | Mestapheles | I set aside jounalled for OS X above so that it'll get a lower disk0 designation, then Free space below to get the higher designation but it entirely colappses into one partition of OS X. |
| 07:45.17 | Mestapheles | "diskutil list" in OS X latter reveals onely a partition map, partition scheme, and one disk0s ... OS X. But no detail for linux (Free space). |
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| 07:46.15 | Mestapheles | I can reverse the order of OS X and Free space but this is suggested. Any ideas? |
| 07:47.34 | Mestapheles | I doubt this had anything to do with me using diskutility from my laptop OS X install DVD, rather than the OS X install CD. |
| 07:53.18 | grivell | hmm dunno |
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| 07:55.53 | Mestapheles | this irc seemsm to have picked up a lot of people since I stopped using debian. I installing again. |
| 07:56.01 | Mestapheles | hey simonrvn |
| 07:57.31 | Mestapheles | I'm having an issue with disk utility not wanting to partition Free Space for debianppc on higher disk0s designation (loser in disk utility). |
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| 07:57.41 | Mestapheles | I'm having an issue with disk utility not wanting to partition Free Space for debianppc on higher disk0s designation (lower in disk utility). |
| 07:57.56 | simonrvn | gah |
| 07:58.59 | simonrvn | hi |
| 07:59.03 | Mestapheles | I decided to zero it the long way before trying it again. |
| 07:59.06 | Mestapheles | hi |
| 07:59.11 | Mestapheles | I'm having an issue with disk utility not wanting to partition Free Space for debianppc on higher disk0s designation (lower in disk utility). |
| 08:00.13 | Mestapheles | I was planning to install debian again, i think I can install it before HFS+ (OS X) but it |
| 08:01.07 | Mestapheles | It's not suggested and some people wriet it doesn't work, although i don't see why not if single debian-ppc install work (old world ideas?). |
| 08:04.39 | grivell | Did you use D-I? |
| 08:04.45 | grivell | !d-i |
| 08:05.19 | simonrvn | i have a 1 gb partition with mock os on it, but i barely use it. other than swap, most of my drive space is linux |
| 08:05.24 | simonrvn | @d-i |
| 08:05.24 | ravenbird | somebody said d-i was the sequel of boot-floopy a.k.a debian-installer. |
| 08:09.11 | Mestapheles | I'm using apple's disk utility. It's supposed to the non-problematic and easy way, geuess not |
| 08:11.28 | Mestapheles | simonrvn: Partitioning it with an OS X laptotp DVD would of done anything, would it. guess I'll try it the ass backwards way if zeroing doesn't do anything. |
| 08:12.31 | grivell | Mestapheles: Actually, thats the way I did it. With the DVD. |
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| 08:20.20 | Mestapheles | but I tried using it on my 5 yr old iMac. |
| 08:20.48 | Mestapheles | did u put OS X on top and Free space on the bottom? |
| 08:25.21 | grivell | yes |
| 08:25.57 | grivell | http://seb.france.free.fr/linux/ibookG4/iBookG4-howto.html |
| 08:27.06 | grivell | That is a very helpful reference. |
| 08:27.31 | grivell | You use mac-fdisk or whatever, and then install MacOSX, etc. |
| 08:27.36 | grivell | brb smoke break |
| 08:28.31 | Mestapheles | I've read that, I installed linux many times. I've done it this way many times. It just seems that I found some bug and no way around it, except using macf-disk, ouch! |
| 08:34.09 | grivell | back. ah. Why you want to avoid mac-fdisk? |
| 08:37.27 | Mestapheles | hell, I've been stressing ofr nothing, I can assign it as HFS+ and then the deibian installer should covert it to ext3. macfdisk it terse. I avoid terse apps like the plague. Hell, I just just do a basic install and then apt-get everything else. No terse apps for installing ofr me |
| 08:41.47 | Mestapheles | in anycase I couldn't get into mac-fdisk last time with the RC1 sarge installer anyway. Either I couldn't get into a shell or if I did fdisk didn't start. |
| 08:45.37 | Stereo | just a quick check |
| 08:45.50 | Stereo | if user homes are backed up |
| 08:45.56 | Stereo | and there's nothing important in /var |
| 08:46.40 | Stereo | the only files I really need to recreate that box after reinstalling from scratch are /etc/modules.conf and the list of packages, right? |
| 08:51.47 | simonrvn | /etc, /var, esp. /var/lib, and /home shit |
| 08:55.34 | Stereo | yeah |
| 09:01.00 | Stereo | ook, got everything I think |
| 09:01.20 | Stereo | hrm |
| 09:01.37 | simonrvn | oh, /usr/local too if you have anything in there |
| 09:01.45 | Stereo | no, nothing in there |
| 09:01.59 | Stereo | brand new box, but the disk is fudged |
| 09:02.12 | Stereo | so I'm reinstalling on the new disk |
| 09:02.21 | Stereo | hmm |
| 09:02.21 | simonrvn | i see |
| 09:02.33 | Stereo | does dpkg check for md5 sums itself? |
| 09:03.40 | simonrvn | yeh. then there's debsums |
| 09:04.10 | Stereo | oh yeah |
| 09:04.35 | Stereo | that's great |
| 09:05.00 | Stereo | and dpkg will check whether the package it installs has the md5sum it says it has when it installs it, right? |
| 09:05.18 | simonrvn | not sure how it all works |
| 09:06.01 | Stereo | I'd like to keep the packages I downloaded and have in the cache |
| 09:06.07 | simonrvn | /var/cache |
| 09:06.11 | Stereo | but the disk seems to corrupt some files |
| 09:06.12 | Stereo | yeah |
| 09:06.22 | Stereo | so I'd like to check /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 09:06.26 | simonrvn | then don't keep them. they might be fucked |
| 09:06.41 | Stereo | oh, they're quite probably fucked |
| 09:06.57 | Stereo | but we have md5's for them and all that, so I thought I could keep the good ones |
| 09:07.09 | simonrvn | ok |
| 09:07.59 | Stereo | is that stupid? I'm not sure yet. |
| 09:09.14 | simonrvn | well, don't be surprised if they fuck up if you do use them =) |
| 09:10.32 | Stereo | why would they fuck up more than usually if the md5sum of the .deb is good, really? |
| 09:11.16 | simonrvn | murphy's law |
| 09:13.03 | Stereo | natural evolution :) |
| 09:14.08 | simonrvn | :) |
| 09:15.11 | Stereo | aah |
| 09:15.18 | Stereo | dpkg-sig is what I'm looking for |
| 09:17.02 | Stereo | pfft |
| 09:17.10 | Stereo | disk is too corrupted to install that |
| 09:18.43 | simonrvn | :| |
| 09:18.44 | Stereo | haha |
| 09:18.46 | Stereo | # cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-common.list |
| 09:18.46 | Stereo | lls them "vertically deployed anti- |
| 09:18.47 | Stereo | personnel devices." You probably call them bombs. |
| 09:18.47 | Stereo | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.50 | Stereo | mechanics were placed on "non-duty, non-pay status." That is, they were.- |
| 09:19.00 | Stereo | it's eating my fortunes file! |
| 09:19.04 | simonrvn | fuck |
| 09:19.17 | Stereo | earlier it was eating my sshd logs |