| 00:08.01 | Q-FUNK | definitely :) |
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| 01:17.30 | huhlig-winxp | hail |
| 01:17.36 | huhlig-winxp | simonrvn, you round? |
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| 01:50.46 | xLobeznox | thanks |
| 01:58.12 | randyg | "<pahartik> randyg: time to have some tea?" time to throw more wood on the fire and have dinner, actually. |
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| 03:22.31 | randyg | ok, time for another nasty email to ebay. their "ask seller a question" form has a little javascript count-down for how many of your 1000 characters you have left. Yet if you try submitting it with less than 30 remaining (i.e. 970 of 1000 used), it complains you went over your 1000. and deletes it. and clears the text box so you can't edit it. |
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| 03:52.29 | randyg | nasty email sent. |
| 03:52.38 | randyg | (ok, it wasn't very nasty, and not NEARLY as nasty as the time they tripple-billed an account I'd told them to remove) |
| 03:56.57 | randyg | sigh. FC2005 is the 13th-17th, and I'm not going to be able to go. :( |
| 04:18.39 | Sam-I-Am | moo |
| 04:20.27 | randyg | mu |
| 04:21.29 | Sam-I-Am | yo |
| 04:24.00 | Sam-I-Am | fc2005? |
| 04:25.57 | randyg | http://www.furtherconfusion.org/fc2005/ |
| 04:27.37 | Sam-I-Am | so, does this have something to do with the furry tail? |
| 04:28.14 | randyg | gee, ya' think? :) |
| 04:28.44 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 04:32.34 | randyg | hrmm. this year they've reserved all the event space of the hotel, and most of the rooms... getting bigger! |
| 04:33.16 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 04:33.32 | Sam-I-Am | i know theres people that get intimate with stuffed animals.. |
| 04:34.20 | randyg | and neither myself nor most other furries would call them furry. |
| 04:34.47 | Sam-I-Am | so, do you pretend to be furry animals? |
| 04:34.50 | Sam-I-Am | i dont understand |
| 04:35.21 | randyg | nope |
| 04:35.43 | randyg | it's pretty hard to explain what furry is... |
| 04:36.20 | Sam-I-Am | seems that way |
| 04:37.32 | randyg | I don't think anyone has managed to do it yet. :) |
| 04:37.56 | Sam-I-Am | so, you're involved in a group you cant define heh |
| 04:38.13 | randyg | many furs would feel more at home in the company of anthropomorphic animals than humans, but that's by no means a rule |
| 04:38.14 | randyg | exactly |
| 04:38.29 | randyg | which leads to furry being attributed to things which the vast majority of furs wouldn't agree with |
| 04:39.15 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 04:39.23 | Sam-I-Am | do you listen to the phychedelic furs? |
| 04:39.41 | randyg | never heard of them |
| 04:39.57 | Sam-I-Am | 80s group mostly |
| 04:40.19 | randyg | would explain it. music around about 1980 started going downhill, and hasn't shown any signs of stopping... |
| 04:40.36 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 04:40.45 | Sam-I-Am | well, at least the 80s had some unique stuff |
| 04:40.52 | Sam-I-Am | 90s brings people that are more flash than music |
| 04:40.54 | Sam-I-Am | like spears |
| 04:41.22 | randyg | as soon as "rock" and "pop" were merged into "pop/rock" in music stores, it was a hint of where music was going. :) |
| 04:41.27 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 04:43.08 | randyg | if you want to learn about furry, don't do it by watching TV... every single furry-related TV show I've seen has been so completely inaccurate as to be laughable. |
| 04:43.20 | randyg | the standard example is the MTV show |
| 04:45.17 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 04:45.20 | Sam-I-Am | mtv isnt |
| 04:45.25 | Sam-I-Am | ... music |
| 04:45.27 | Sam-I-Am | its crap heh |
| 04:45.28 | randyg | heh |
| 04:46.30 | randyg | MTV did a show, of which an accurate summary would be "hey look at the freaks who dress up in fursuits and have gay sex with other guys in fursuits and stuffed animals!" |
| 04:46.53 | Sam-I-Am | fursuits? |
| 04:47.02 | randyg | fur + suit. do I need to explain further? :P |
| 04:47.09 | Sam-I-Am | yeah |
| 04:47.47 | Sam-I-Am | sounds.. interesting |
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| 04:47.53 | randyg | some furries (not myself, though) sew complete anthropomorphic animal costumes out of fake fur, often spending many months or thousands of dollars to do so. |
| 04:49.22 | randyg | as a way for them to become (in a limited fashion) what they are, to try out a persona, or just as a fun project. |
| 04:49.46 | Sam-I-Am | interesting |
| 04:49.55 | Sam-I-Am | how do people find these hobbies... or fetishes... or whatever |
| 04:50.22 | randyg | in most cases (including mine), it's just something you are. |
| 04:50.57 | randyg | and for the _vast_ majority of furs, it's not a fetish... sex has remarkably little to do with being furry. |
| 04:51.12 | Sam-I-Am | well, i dont like furry women :P |
| 04:51.25 | randyg | lol |
| 04:51.43 | randyg | that's one of the biggest misconceptions about furryness... but for most furs, sex has nothing to do with it. |
| 04:52.05 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 04:52.48 | demon | what a lovely topic of discussion for a debian channel :) |
| 04:54.04 | randyg | demon: it comes up surprisingly often here. there's at least 6-7 regulars here who are furs... |
| 04:54.05 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 04:54.11 | demon | ... |
| 04:54.14 | Sam-I-Am | i've never heard of it until now |
| 04:54.20 | Sam-I-Am | <- newb |
| 04:54.34 | randyg | I just talk more than the rest of them. :P |
| 04:54.45 | demon | being a linux user is as far out as I want to get :) |
| 04:55.02 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 04:56.10 | randyg | something's "far out" about being furry? |
| 04:56.58 | Sam-I-Am | its "fur out" heh |
| 04:57.13 | demon | hehe |
| 04:57.46 | randyg | lol |
| 05:01.52 | randyg | I've met a lot of furry OSS programmers... |
| 05:02.30 | randyg | jbidwatcher and y sound system come to mind immediately as debian packages developed entirely by furs... |
| 05:02.48 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 05:02.52 | Sam-I-Am | is this a big group or something? |
| 05:03.50 | randyg | of furs? |
| 05:04.05 | randyg | there's only a few million or so worldwide... |
| 05:04.25 | randyg | by most numbers I've seen. could be higher if more people were aware of what it was... |
| 05:05.57 | Sam-I-Am | hmm |
| 05:08.09 | demon | :) |
| 05:09.01 | randyg | for example, I've probably been furry my entire life, but only knew what it was about 5 years ago... I remember thinking along the lines of "you mean there's other people like me?!!!". I'm sure there would be far more people who would say they're furry if more people knew what it was. :) |
| 05:09.11 | randyg | demon: they have. ask microsoft. :P |
| 05:09.22 | Sam-I-Am | demon: debiants |
| 05:09.26 | demon | hehe |
| 05:09.32 | Sam-I-Am | i'm on a roll tonight |
| 05:09.38 | randyg | we're all communists bent on the destruction of moral values, according to them. |
| 05:11.03 | randyg | and don't forget that the GPL is a form of cancer. :) |
| 05:11.03 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
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| 05:12.37 | randyg | speaking of furs. :) |
| 05:13.07 | sfire||mouse | :) |
| 05:13.40 | randyg | maybe you can do a better job explaining furry to Sam-I-Am than I can. :) |
| 05:14.02 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 05:14.14 | Sam-I-Am | ugh, i gotta go into work @ 6 tomorrow |
| 05:14.24 | sfire||mouse | hehe, doubt it, I just have fur friends |
| 05:15.07 | randyg | I've never been able to come up with a good way to explain furry to a non-fur. :) |
| 05:18.35 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 05:18.42 | Sam-I-Am | yay i've learned something new today |
| 05:18.47 | Sam-I-Am | i feel... complete |
| 05:18.52 | randyg | lol |
| 05:18.58 | Sam-I-Am | on that note, i'm going to bed |
| 05:19.03 | Sam-I-Am | gotta be into work at 6am |
| 05:19.38 | randyg | heh |
| 05:19.39 | randyg | cyas |
| 05:19.42 | Sam-I-Am | lates |
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| 05:54.21 | Faustus | hi guys, I can't find any debian forums associated officcially with debian, just mailing lists sometimes refered to as "forum". I take it there are none? |
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| 07:14.53 | vovka | hi |
| 07:15.00 | vovka | svenl |
| 07:15.01 | vovka | 8) |
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| 07:23.09 | vovka | hey men! i want to install libkde3, but there are conflicts on kde4 |
| 07:23.21 | vovka | and failed to install libkde3 |
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| 07:25.26 | vovka | ëâó3äøèû |
| 07:25.31 | vovka | kdelibs3 |
| 07:30.05 | vovka | and what to do if there are conflict? and failed to remove... 8( |
| 07:32.15 | simonrvn | not only men here. |
| 07:32.38 | simonrvn | you fix it |
| 07:37.07 | mick_laptop | lol |
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| 08:53.25 | Eidotter | hi |
| 08:53.39 | simonrvn | hello |
| 08:54.14 | Eidotter | has anyone tried linux on an imac g5? |
| 08:54.41 | simonrvn | probably some has. |
| 08:54.45 | simonrvn | have* |
| 08:55.01 | Eidotter | and the result? ;-) |
| 08:55.15 | simonrvn | i don't know |
| 08:55.22 | simonrvn | probably work |
| 08:55.27 | Eidotter | hmm.. ok |
| 08:55.38 | simonrvn | do you have a question? |
| 08:55.49 | Eidotter | im currently looking for a new desktop-system |
| 08:55.57 | Eidotter | and those imacs look really nice |
| 08:57.21 | Eidotter | linux compatibility would be a large pro |
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| 08:57.50 | simonrvn | it runs. 2.6 kernels. |
| 08:58.17 | Eidotter | with native 64 bits? |
| 08:58.48 | jaska | mmm |
| 08:58.49 | simonrvn | kernel space. user space you have to fix up yourself. it'll run 32 bit faster IIRC |
| 08:59.00 | Eidotter | hmm.. |
| 09:00.41 | Eidotter | what about X, sound, lan, etc.? are the most important devices known to work? |
| 09:01.18 | simonrvn | what's the video device on them? |
| 09:01.55 | Eidotter | geforce fx 5200 |
| 09:02.06 | jaska | i wonder if theres going to be a debian ppc64? |
| 09:02.10 | simonrvn | might work in x. |
| 09:02.37 | Eidotter | might;-) |
| 09:02.39 | simonrvn | jaska: not like amd64. since ppc64 is real 64 bit ;) |
| 09:03.02 | simonrvn | but maybe. just to have FAT or 64 bit only binaries. but not any time soon |
| 09:03.17 | jaska | well, amd64 and ppc64 are the ones im looking after :) |
| 09:03.25 | simonrvn | they're trying to release sarge (which they're close on doing) |
| 09:03.52 | jaska | gah, this coffee is lethal |
| 09:03.55 | simonrvn | ppc64 would so rock |
| 09:04.10 | jaska | indeed |
| 09:04.15 | simonrvn | too bad 970+ isn't just a CPU upgrade :/ |
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| 09:05.04 | Eidotter | G5 supports DRM? |
| 09:05.08 | simonrvn | the bad drm (dig. "rights" mgt.) , not the good one (video) |
| 09:05.28 | simonrvn | the cpu doesn't. it's just a cpu |
| 09:05.31 | jaska | digital loss of rights management |
| 09:05.39 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 09:06.18 | Eidotter | i mean the new g5-systems. do they have DRM implented? |
| 09:06.26 | simonrvn | but apple and other new boxen have or will have drm chips... |
| 09:06.40 | jaska | im not going to run anything drm-enabled |
| 09:06.56 | jaska | its my machine, thus it shall do as i say. |
| 09:07.02 | simonrvn | don't worry though, i think they'll be some "reverse engineering" |
| 09:07.07 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 09:08.13 | jaska | yeah, i trust there will :) |
| 09:08.25 | simonrvn | bwahaha ;) |
| 09:08.35 | jaska | which is why i havent yet sold my puters and bought a .50bmg rifle |
| 09:09.03 | simonrvn | heh, yeh |
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| 09:30.23 | svenl | vovka: hi you. |
| 09:30.37 | vovka | svenl 8) |
| 09:31.04 | vovka | svenl: is there any net-config gui for kde? |
| 09:32.41 | vovka | svenl: or men should use gnome? 8) |
| 09:41.54 | svenl | vovka i don't do KDE, so i don't know. |
| 09:42.06 | svenl | there probably is a #debian-kde channel where you can ask. |
| 09:42.18 | svenl | Or more generaly this kind of questions belong to #debian. |
| 09:42.47 | svenl | vovka: but network stuff in debian belong to /etc/network/interfaces, read man interfaces for details. |
| 09:44.08 | vovka | ok |
| 09:46.21 | vovka | who installed povray editor/scene ? |
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| 09:59.18 | vovka | anyone use blender? |
| 09:59.30 | simonrvn | @anyone use |
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| 11:00.59 | vovka | how to install gnome? |
| 11:31.24 | Bor_Ed | apt-get install gnome will do most probably |
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| 11:33.33 | Q-FUNK | svenl: got an interesting mail from upstream: his code intentionally works only on PowerBooks. If Debian patched it to say NewWorld instead, then it becomes our problem. |
| 11:34.24 | Q-FUNK | svenl: so the definitive solution is for Debian to stop pretending that it knows better than upstream. |
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| 11:36.23 | Joersch | hi all |
| 11:39.07 | svenl | Q-FUNK: he is dreaming, the previous code was making this error message appear on my pegasos. |
| 11:39.27 | svenl | Q-FUNK: did he provide you a link to said code, or what version he had ? |
| 11:39.39 | svenl | Q-FUNK: did he also write it to d-p, or the bug report ? |
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| 11:50.03 | Q-FUNK | svenl: he pasted the code in the e-mail |
| 11:51.50 | Q-FUNK | svenl: right and the current code only shifted the problem in your neighbor's yard: everyone on newworld gets the error, whether they have the damn device or not. |
| 11:53.07 | Q-FUNK | in any case, trying to guess the subarch is the wrong approach. testing for the actualy presence of a PMU device is the real answer. |
| 11:53.49 | Q-FUNK | that /proc line you gave me might work. |
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| 12:04.39 | svenl | Q-FUNK: sure it will (provided the user has /proc mounted, but when he don't its his problem anyway. |
| 12:04.49 | svenl | Q-FUNK: can you forward me the email ? |
| 12:15.42 | Q-FUNK | svenl: sure. |
| 12:16.14 | Q-FUNK | svenl: btw, that supposedly trivi8al patch to change acme_error to g_warning fails, because existing patch make that code fragment disappear before it can be affected. |
| 12:16.49 | Q-FUNK | svenl: anyhow, simply replacing that line will fail, because code elsewhere was added to generate 2 popups. |
| 12:37.43 | Q-FUNK | svenl: added to the BR and replied to him. |
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| 13:43.44 | svenl | Q-FUNK: we can change the code which generate the popup, i will have a look at it this evening. |
| 13:52.04 | simonrvn | WALLOP lilo: Hi all. The Macworld keynote address happens at 9am US/Pacific, in just a few hours. Unofficial coverage in ##mwsf here on freenode. If you're at Macworld, please message me, and let's see if we can arrange to have someone covering the keynote. :) WALLOP lilo: And if you're just interested in what's going on, please stop by ##mwsf .... thanks! |
| 13:52.51 | svenl | And BTW, maybe we could see if we can approach apple about the LVM/RAID situation ? |
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| 17:02.13 | Joersch | hi all |
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| 17:40.54 | eddyp | is benh's latest patch broken? or what is with the worning in the topic? |
| 17:41.39 | DelTree | dunno... |
| 17:41.52 | DelTree | this has been here ever since 2.6.x is out... |
| 17:43.37 | sk1p | bens patches are all merged upstream |
| 17:44.29 | svenl | eddyp: there is no more benh patches, all goes in mainline directly. |
| 17:44.39 | svenl | DelTree: since 2.6.4 actually. |
| 17:45.07 | eddyp | svenl: is the mainstream covering the sleep issue? |
| 17:45.24 | grivell | eddyp: Eventually. It's not stable yet |
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| 17:45.32 | svenl | eddyp: once benh finishes it, yes. |
| 17:45.40 | svenl | eddyp: benh has commit right or something such. |
| 17:45.50 | svenl | eddyp: he is currently vacationing though. |
| 17:46.13 | sk1p | heh, well, linus pulls directly from benh |
| 17:46.20 | eddyp | svenl: did you managed to make your powerbook to sleep? |
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| 17:46.36 | svenl | eddyp: it sleeps all the time, it is still at the shop. |
| 17:46.41 | eddyp | or anybody else? |
| 17:46.43 | grivell | lol |
| 17:46.46 | svenl | eddyp: i only have a g3 800MHz ibook. |
| 17:46.53 | eddyp | :) |
| 17:47.04 | grivell | eddyp: no, but benh's patch 7 will let you. |
| 17:47.25 | svenl | eddyp: bought second hand because there were none in the shop when i bought them, and it was the last fully supported (hear with airport non-express). |
| 17:47.51 | grivell | Thats what D-Link DWL-122 is for ;) |
| 17:48.04 | grivell | @airport |
| 17:48.05 | DelTree | oh... good news that benh is now official... |
| 17:48.05 | ravenbird | well, airport is if debian users are idiots then #debian is an airport... the name for apple's 802.11b cards which works under linux! Do not confuse with apple's now Airport Extreme cards. |
| 17:48.17 | eddyp | svenl: I think I saw there are drivers for airport extreme too, now in the kernel |
| 17:48.20 | grivell | @airport extreme |
| 17:48.33 | grivell | !airport |
| 17:48.41 | grivell | arg :) |
| 17:49.04 | grivell | apt, airport |
| 17:49.05 | apt | if idiots are airplanes then #debian is an airport... a type of wireless card supported under Linux. Airport Extreme is not. Get a D-Link DWL-122 USB which is Linux compatible. |
| 17:50.09 | dj-death | or some ralink chip ;) |
| 17:50.09 | dj-death | which has gpl driver for 802.11g |
| 17:50.28 | grivell | ralink? (usb?) |
| 17:50.35 | dj-death | yes |
| 17:50.41 | grivell | Supported by wlan-ng? Or kernel driver? |
| 17:51.00 | eddyp | I get a message when I log into X about wrong permissions on /dev/pmu... will it disappear after the patch? any idea? |
| 17:51.51 | grivell | eddyp: nah, it's a Gnome issue |
| 17:51.54 | dj-death | you need to change permission |
| 17:51.56 | svenl | eddyp: there is none and never will be. Broadcom is actively anti-linux. |
| 17:52.33 | svenl | That said, i have some plane to produce an airport-extreme compatible free wifi card. |
| 17:52.41 | svenl | as a free hardware project. |
| 17:52.56 | dj-death | eddyp: this driver : http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 17:53.20 | svenl | probably using the ralink ship, and designed with free tools available in debian |
| 17:53.47 | sk1p | svenl: cool |
| 17:54.13 | eddyp | dj-death: what is the driver for? |
| 17:54.34 | eddyp | svenl: you are into hardware also? |
| 17:54.36 | svenl | eddyp: the ralink chips, i think. |
| 17:54.59 | dj-death | eddyp: that hardware : http://ralink.rapla.net/ |
| 17:55.00 | svenl | eddyp: not really, but my brother is studying electronic engeneer, and i am trying to get him in doing it. |
| 17:55.24 | svenl | dj-death: they are rather nice, i got one pci card from them for free with my asus amd64 motherboard. |
| 17:55.39 | dj-death | I will probably get an asus WL-167g |
| 17:55.45 | eddyp | dj-death: thanks, but I wasn't really after a wireless card |
| 17:56.35 | eddyp | is there a site that has a table of supported hardware on ppc? |
| 17:56.37 | dj-death | svenl: is your brother really going to do it ? |
| 17:56.53 | grivell | dj-death: thanks. |
| 17:57.05 | svenl | dj-death: if not i will learn. |
| 17:57.55 | svenl | dj-death: there is this nice geda software in debian, and someone even released a nice public-domain design with it, arm based. |
| 17:58.10 | dj-death | geda ? |
| 17:58.35 | dj-death | hmmm |
| 17:58.56 | dj-death | svenl: and how will you build that ? |
| 17:59.35 | svenl | dj-death: well, i am hoping that my brother can use some of the tools of his school, but the idea is to make an open hardware design, and then anyone can come and build them. |
| 18:00.05 | dj-death | ok |
| 18:00.24 | svenl | dj-death: ideally, users will pool to get the money and price affordable or something, and i may have some contacts in a component soldering factory. (two indead). |
| 18:01.00 | svenl | one where the pegasos boards are produced, the other where my uncle used to be CEO of, before he killed itself in a car accident. |
| 18:04.48 | grivell | dj-death: No usb support yet :( |
| 18:06.14 | dj-death | hmmm :( |
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| 18:29.15 | eddyp | svenl: I am under the impression that you maintain ppczone, could you add a list/matrix/table of supported devices under linux on ppc? |
| 18:29.32 | eddyp | if I have the info I can make the table... |
| 18:30.02 | eddyp | it would be nice to have something like alsa has |
| 18:34.51 | randyg | http://snopes.com/politics/religion/inpublic.asp <== hah!! about time people got thrown in jail for stuff like that. :) |
| 18:35.32 | svenl | eddyp: not really, Neko maintains ppczone. |
| 18:35.57 | randyg | there was someone driving around the ucsc campus for ages in a truck with "god hates fags" painted all over it, and PA speakers on top announcing the same message... the cops refused to do anything about it. |
| 18:36.09 | svenl | eddyp: there are many devices, i think. some are listed on the debian manual page. |
| 18:36.32 | eddyp | svenl: ok, but what do you think about the idea? |
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| 18:37.10 | eddyp | svenl: it could help new dev wannabies to focus in the parts that don't have support |
| 18:37.24 | one_2_one | hi ppl |
| 18:37.30 | eddyp | maybe it should be related to kernel.org |
| 18:37.34 | svenl | eddyp: do you mean, pci cards and such ? Or ppc machines ? |
| 18:37.47 | eddyp | ppc machines |
| 18:38.07 | svenl | eddyp: altough the other would be fun too. |
| 18:38.11 | eddyp | svenl: take for example the airport card |
| 18:38.25 | eddyp | yeap, but on ppc it hurts like hell |
| 18:38.43 | svenl | eddyp: ah, also devices, not actual ppc boxes. |
| 18:39.12 | eddyp | svenl: kind of.... more like devices on ppc machines |
| 18:39.58 | eddyp | svenl: I would like to know what is the status on bluetooth or something simillar.... |
| 18:40.08 | svenl | eddyp: yeah. |
| 18:40.14 | svenl | 19:47 < NekoXP> pci cards, agp cards that fit.. |
| 18:40.16 | svenl | 19:47 < NekoXP> we can have this but it's a maintenance nightmare and will go stagnant |
| 18:40.19 | svenl | so making the table is no problem, the data is problematic. |
| 18:40.50 | svenl | eddyp: yep. |
| 18:41.08 | eddyp | take my case: I have a BT mouse, which I don't know how to configure so I can use it in linux, too, not only macosx |
| 18:41.22 | svenl | eddyp: would you contribute to such a list ? |
| 18:41.43 | svenl | eddyp: it has to be a comunauty list project or something. |
| 18:41.53 | eddyp | svenl: yeap, I would, and when there is a central info place, the database will grow |
| 18:42.36 | eddyp | svenl: another example: 3d aaccel on macs.. not supporte by vendor |
| 18:42.58 | eddyp | I have a Ati radeon mobiliy 9600, but no 3d |
| 18:43.11 | grivell | eddyp: My Radeon 9200 is working too nicely ;) |
| 18:43.32 | eddyp | svenl: which driver? |
| 18:43.46 | pahartik | eddyp: i use Bluetooth for mobile uplink, works fine |
| 18:43.49 | eddyp | ummm... |
| 18:44.03 | eddyp | I meant grivell... |
| 18:44.05 | svenl | eddyp: yep, known problem. |
| 18:44.22 | pahartik | eddyp: tried with Linux 2.6.9 and 2.6.10 so far |
| 18:44.26 | grivell | eddyp: Open source Radeon drivers |
| 18:44.33 | eddyp | I had to dig a while to find that is a known problem |
| 18:45.05 | eddyp | pahartik: some info? bluez site? |
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| 18:45.36 | eddyp | grivell: that is with based on dri |
| 18:45.45 | eddyp | isn't it? |
| 18:46.35 | grivell | yep |
| 18:46.44 | eddyp | what drivers does macosx use? aren't they open source... even if under apple license |
| 18:46.46 | grivell | 9200 and under have DRI open source drivers. |
| 18:47.04 | pahartik | eddyp: that, and... "/etc/bluetooth/", after installing "bluez-utils" |
| 18:47.06 | grivell | eddyp: no. All proprietary on MacOSX |
| 18:47.28 | eddyp | grivell: any way to reverse engineer them? |
| 18:47.34 | grivell | bbl . Stargate Atlantis watching time :) |
| 18:47.44 | grivell | eddyp: Not for me there isn't :P |
| 18:48.54 | pahartik | eddyp: i had to replace "/usr/bin/bluez-pin" with my own shell script to manage "pairing" |
| 18:49.38 | eddyp | may I have a suggestion for the topic: a link to a documentation site... |
| 18:50.07 | eddyp | pahartik: debian standard kernel? |
| 18:50.41 | eddyp | grivell: I don't seem to have a dri enabled X |
| 18:52.19 | pahartik | eddyp: kernel built and optimized for iBook G4, Debian kernel sources... and that "sleep patch" for "Linux 2.6.9" from "benh" |
| 18:52.56 | eddyp | or should I say, that xlibmesa-dri is somehow not loading... : Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 18:53.30 | eddyp | although : $ grep dri /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 18:53.30 | eddyp | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.27 | eddyp | pahartik: version 7, iirc |
| 18:56.39 | pahartik | eddyp: http://gate.crashing.org/~benh/ |
| 18:57.35 | eddyp | pahartik: thanks I needed that... I got the patch yesterday, but I didn't bookmarked the page |
| 18:58.20 | pahartik | eddyp: i had some problems with Linux 2.6.9, so i am using 2.6.10 even if there is no sleep |
| 18:59.51 | pahartik | eddyp: for example, "mplayer" failed to build, GCC did not succeed with some file... |
| 19:00.12 | eddyp | pahartik: is there a ppc mplayer deb? |
| 19:00.24 | demon | eddyp: have you looked at the X server start log, to see if it says "Direct rendering disabled/enabled", and if so why? |
| 19:00.53 | pahartik | eddyp: "mplayer" package built from sources... |
| 19:01.15 | eddyp | demon: sincerely, no. I wanted sleep more... I will look onto that also |
| 19:01.48 | pahartik | eddyp: one just needs source and "fakeroot debian/rules binary" as with any Debian package |
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| 19:02.51 | eddyp | pahartik: iirc, mplayer is natively supporting debian, isn't it? |
| 19:04.02 | demon | there are debian mplayer packages, just not in debian proper |
| 19:04.07 | pahartik | eddyp: i guess so, since upstream source has stuff included for building Debian package |
| 19:04.18 | demon | though last I saw, they were broken |
| 19:05.19 | simonrvn | anyone good at grokking sparc asm? :) |
| 19:06.30 | randyg | simonrvn: I'm slightly good at it. |
| 19:06.44 | randyg | (wrote a compiler that output it, but that was a while ago....) |
| 19:06.49 | simonrvn | randyg: do you also know ppc asm? |
| 19:06.54 | randyg | nope |
| 19:07.08 | simonrvn | damn |
| 19:07.11 | randyg | only sparc, hc11, mips, and some x86. |
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| 19:08.36 | simonrvn | thanks anyway |
| 19:08.42 | randyg | what're you trying to do? :) |
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| 19:09.18 | simonrvn | port some code i copy/pasted from a file that has sparc asm in it. i need ppc asm (obviously) |
| 19:09.31 | randyg | grr! the capacitor people, who sell 500 of a capacitor for $30, want $15 for 20 of them. |
| 19:09.42 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 19:09.49 | randyg | can't help with that... I can explain (most) sparc asm, but don't know any ppc. |
| 19:09.52 | demon | ah, volume pricing |
| 19:11.39 | randyg | explain to me how the price goes from 6 cents each to 75 cents each. :) |
| 19:12.19 | simonrvn | the market cannot be rationally explained |
| 19:13.25 | randyg | by their logic, I can get 500 for the same price as 40... |
| 19:14.43 | randyg | hell, I might as well buy 500, then list the 480 I don't need on ebay. :) |
| 19:14.50 | randyg | but, I don't have the cash to do that... |
| 19:15.12 | pahartik | randyg: it takes just about equal time to wrap up 500 pack or 20 pack of them |
| 19:16.48 | randyg | pahartik: I'm trying to order a bunch of caps... I need 20-50 of about 6 different values. |
| 19:17.42 | grivell | Looks like I get a MacMini for my grandparents :) |
| 19:19.31 | demon | they'd make a nice little linux box :) |
| 19:21.50 | randyg | pahartik: both of my dualie motherboards have bad capacitors... one has already died, the other probably will soon, seeing as four of the caps have vented out the top... need to get new caps! but at 22 caps/board, plus I have two other boards that need caps, that's a lot of caps... |
| 19:23.25 | randyg | bbl, need to drive to town. |
| 19:30.31 | grivell | demon: Yeah, might get one to replace my server :) run it headless hehe |
| 20:13.17 | Bor_Ed | pahartik, http://www.apple.com/fi/macmini/ see anything wrong in there ? |
| 20:17.30 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i think i prefer "http://www.apple.com/macmini/" |
| 20:18.00 | Bor_Ed | checked the countrycode on the url I gave ? :) |
| 20:21.11 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: hmmm, no... |
| 20:21.19 | svenl | Bor_Ed, pahartik: apart from the airport extreme, it is the perfect linux/ppc box. |
| 20:22.40 | Bor_Ed | svenl, that's BTO option |
| 20:22.48 | Bor_Ed | at least according to the specs |
| 20:23.21 | svenl | Bor_Ed: well, i mean, airport extreme is the most suck piece of apple hardware for linux. |
| 20:23.32 | svenl | Bor_Ed: and it has radeon 9200, not loosy nvidia. |
| 20:23.33 | Bor_Ed | svenl, ahh, right |
| 20:23.35 | pahartik | svenl: looks promising... i would not mind having one as workstation |
| 20:23.56 | svenl | there is TV-out too, think digital entertainement hub or whatever. |
| 20:24.07 | Bor_Ed | tv-out is with $$$ dvi adapter |
| 20:24.14 | Bor_Ed | not included on the bundle |
| 20:24.18 | svenl | Bor_Ed: so ? |
| 20:24.38 | Bor_Ed | still, buggrs on european side have hefty increase on the price |
| 20:24.40 | svenl | Bor_Ed: better than 'let's do some soldering on the board' kind of styff. |
| 20:24.50 | svenl | Bor_Ed: about 50$, yes. |
| 20:24.53 | svenl | or 10%. |
| 20:25.12 | Bor_Ed | starting at 519 eur... that's around 570-580 usd afaik |
| 20:25.17 | svenl | if you buy enough, and slip them past custom. |
| 20:25.46 | Bor_Ed | 680.256 usd on current ratio |
| 20:26.01 | svenl | 499 in france, that is 417 without taxes, which at around 1.3 exchange rate is 542 US$. |
| 20:26.14 | Bor_Ed | 499 eur in france ? |
| 20:26.23 | Bor_Ed | or usd ? |
| 20:26.26 | svenl | 499 and 599. |
| 20:26.30 | svenl | Bor_Ed: where are you ? |
| 20:26.36 | Bor_Ed | .fi |
| 20:26.40 | svenl | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.41 | svenl | (Eur 417,22 HT) |
| 20:26.49 | svenl | and : |
| 20:26.50 | svenl | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.50 | svenl | (Eur 500,84 HT) |
| 20:27.00 | Bor_Ed | still a way more than $499 in usa |
| 20:28.33 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: makes you want to move to US, i bet |
| 20:28.45 | Bor_Ed | dunno, got to check the .se prices when the sites get fixed |
| 20:28.50 | svenl | 500 euro -> 650 US$ against 599, and 417 Euro -> 542 US$ against 499. So +43 and 51 US$, which is ok. |
| 20:29.03 | Bor_Ed | pahartik, not really... sweden has pretty decently priced electronics too |
| 20:29.23 | svenl | remember US prices are without taxes too. |
| 20:29.42 | Bor_Ed | svenl, I though they had VAT included... that explains something |
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| 20:30.14 | svenl | Bor_Ed: no, VAT is never included in US prices, since VAT varies from state to state there. |
| 20:30.44 | svenl | still for 499 Euro, it is still quite good value. |
| 20:30.46 | Bor_Ed | 520 eur in sweden |
| 20:31.09 | svenl | Bor_Ed: so same as in .fi. How much VAT do you have there ? And .se ? |
| 20:31.19 | Bor_Ed | 22% here and 25% in .se |
| 20:31.35 | Bor_Ed | .se can sell taxfree to .fi if the VAT is paid here |
| 20:31.41 | svenl | against 19.5 in france, and 14% in germany. |
| 20:32.15 | Bor_Ed | looks like .se has cheapest one thus far |
| 20:32.39 | Bor_Ed | (taxes can be paid in either origin or target country inside eu) |
| 20:32.58 | svenl | Bor_Ed: you can buy them in france or germany, and not pay any additional taxes, since it is EU. |
| 20:33.14 | Bor_Ed | yup, but shipping will be over 100 eur |
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| 20:33.36 | svenl | Bor_Ed: or someone can bring you one when going to debconf 2005 in helsinski. |
| 20:33.38 | Bor_Ed | we live here in tundra, pretty much swedes are only ones that don't have ridiculous shipping fees |
| 20:34.02 | svenl | in july though. |
| 20:34.10 | Bor_Ed | well, if I had the dough, I'd get one right now... though I don't have so :I |
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| 21:04.16 | svenl | Bor_Ed: hehe, you have until july to spare then, and i will personally bring you one. |
| 21:06.27 | Bor_Ed | buggr, I wish I could join the debconf ... prolly can't :I |
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| 21:24.06 | markos_ | i want a macmini |
| 21:24.24 | markos_ | lovely! |
| 21:24.43 | markos_ | oh i see everyone's discussing about this already :-) |
| 21:24.50 | Bor_Ed | pretty much |
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| 21:46.06 | [MA]MTM84|X| | i want 4 |
| 21:46.14 | [MA]MTM84|X| | cluster baby! |
| 21:50.01 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 21:53.47 | dreamind | hehe :) |
| 21:56.03 | dreamind | Hi simonrvn btw ;) |
| 21:56.18 | simonrvn | hi |
| 21:57.12 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: you can go. google for debconf5 |
| 21:57.34 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, lack of cash says I can't |
| 21:57.56 | simonrvn | yeh, it would |
| 21:58.13 | Bor_Ed | I didn't get the new job I applied and was pretty sure I'd got that |
| 21:58.25 | simonrvn | damn :( |
| 21:59.14 | randyg | Bor_Ed: what was the job? |
| 21:59.20 | randyg | I'm thinking of quitting mine |
| 21:59.42 | Bor_Ed | randyg, some assembly stuff (getting stuff together) at vacon.fi |
| 22:00.21 | Bor_Ed | I got half-booted from enics.fi at the end of last year (they didn't continue the contract) |
| 22:00.46 | randyg | assembly doesn't sound like much of a job. :) |
| 22:00.59 | Bor_Ed | it is |
| 22:01.13 | randyg | how much does it pay? |
| 22:01.59 | Bor_Ed | it would've paid ~ 7.6 eur/hour at start |
| 22:02.25 | Bor_Ed | I had 7.55+work bonus on last job |
| 22:02.27 | randyg | and you can't find better employment than assembly line work? ouch |
| 22:02.51 | Bor_Ed | actually anything over 7 eur here is luxury |
| 22:03.28 | randyg | hrmm |
| 22:09.52 | randyg | so? :) |
| 22:10.17 | Bor_Ed | big ¤¤¤ paychecks are pretty much out of reach |
| 22:10.27 | randyg | heh |
| 22:10.40 | randyg | around here a diploma doesn't change much... but I don't know about over there. |
| 22:10.45 | Bor_Ed | though I got again ~950 eur from 2 weeks job from the job I got booted from |
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| 23:53.08 | aba | Somebody still awake who could help me with rebooting? I'm having a pegasos, and I can't get the bios to boot with enterin "boot hd:0 boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-powerpc root=/dev/hda1" at the boot prompt, as I was hinted to by d-i. I get the error "error: no filesystem recognized". |