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| 00:53.09 | Joersch | who must i write a letter to get my installation report on the /ports/powerpc site? |
| 00:53.20 | Joersch | and by the way: hi all |
| 00:55.20 | t4 | anyone w/ a german xkb here ? |
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| 01:59.49 | malenfant | I'm attempting to use alsa on my iBook with debian/ppc, but get 'ticking' sounds in everything that I play... is there a configuration guide anywhere? |
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| 02:04.29 | randyg | OSX uses just a \n for newlines, right? |
| 02:05.43 | Piru | yes |
| 02:05.45 | randyg | (being *nix, I'd hope it does...) |
| 02:05.57 | randyg | that means ebay's ask seller a question form is broken on osx too. :) |
| 02:06.21 | randyg | their javascript has \r\n hardcoded everywhere, causing it to not work properly on real oses... |
| 02:06.30 | Piru | ugh :) |
| 02:07.54 | randyg | their server-side code does too... for example, again on the ask seller a question form, if you type your message using only \n's, their html-escaping code doesn't convert them to <br>'s like it does \r\n's, causing your question to be smushed into one paragraph... |
| 02:12.10 | randyg | they told me to clear IE's cache when I pointed it out to them. |
| 02:12.33 | Piru | idiots :) |
| 02:12.47 | randyg | my thoughts exactly. :) |
| 02:13.09 | randyg | it has to be some of the ugliest javascript I've ever seen... and chances are the server-side code it talks to is just as bad. |
| 02:31.17 | Stereo | mac os x supports \r\n I think |
| 02:36.28 | randyg | dunnno. I just know it's broken on linux. :) |
| 02:36.50 | randyg | browsers on osx send a \r\n instead of a simple \n when filling out forms on web sites? |
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| 06:20.47 | randyg | I just thought of an idea for a new reality tv show. too bad I don't have a few million dollars. :) |
| 06:24.36 | gorilla_ | randyg, heh... should we ask? |
| 06:24.47 | randyg | lol |
| 06:27.43 | randyg | a stranded-on-island scenario combined with junkyard wars... a group of people are shipwrecked on an island (gee, that sounds familiar...), which contains the wreckage of many other craft. they have to either build a vechicle to get them to some far-away land, or build a sustainable habitat on the island capable of providing food, water, shelter, etc until some distant rescue. the use of technology would be _strongly_ encouraged, includi |
| 06:27.48 | randyg | diving gear to reach, etc. |
| 06:30.22 | randyg | absolutely no contests, riddles, eliminations, or any of the other crap other reality tv shows have. :P |
| 06:47.25 | gorilla_ | probbaly wouldn't work... doesn't have the controversy that is required for today's "reality" tv progs.. |
| 06:48.30 | gorilla_ | still Survivor: Antartica (spelling??) could be interesting... :-D |
| 06:48.47 | gorilla_ | replacing sunburn with frostbite |
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| 07:06.05 | randyg | lol |
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| 07:43.07 | dcmbrown | Ok, after spending numerous hours on trying to get a Powerbook 5300 and a Powerbook Duo 2300c to boot from the |
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| 12:07.40 | jaska | mourning |
| 12:08.27 | Q-FUNK | morning :) |
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| 12:45.14 | stere0 | with ppc-versions inside |
| 12:46.17 | stere0 | and amd64, if i'll meet someday an amd64 user ;) |
| 12:48.44 | jaska | i'll get an amd64 box once i can get a good mb without nvidia shit in it :) |
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| 12:53.02 | stere0 | let me know, if you wanna be my ubuntu-gift _customer_ ;) |
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| 13:04.09 | stere0 | is there a workaround to resume after sleep with hal running ? i have that problem on ibook and imac g3 |
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| 13:25.27 | sebfrance | Hello |
| 13:25.29 | sebfrance | I'm finally updating the howto |
| 13:25.31 | sebfrance | I was given some stuff about suspending to ram |
| 13:25.44 | stere0 | hello |
| 13:25.49 | sebfrance | is there anything else I'd have missed? |
| 13:25.51 | sebfrance | I'm going to look at external bluetooth support when I'll have time |
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| 14:27.14 | sebfrance | how is called the -\= key? |
| 14:27.34 | sebfrance | left next to the left apple ? |
| 14:27.37 | sebfrance | on a G4 keybord |
| 14:28.48 | sebfrance | anybody knows? |
| 14:29.26 | sebfrance | is that Option? |
| 14:32.09 | demon | I believe that would be option, yeah... unfortunately I don't have that symbol on my keyboard (powerbook pismo with US/English keyboard) |
| 14:33.14 | Bor_Ed | it's option (says alt too in .fi KB) |
| 14:34.58 | sebfrance | ah ok |
| 14:35.16 | sebfrance | yeah alt is the upper symbol on the same key |
| 14:35.17 | sebfrance | thanks |
| 14:35.22 | Bor_Ed | np |
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| 14:40.20 | Joersch | who must i write a letter to get my installation report on the /ports/powerpc site? |
| 14:40.22 | Joersch | and by the way: hi all |
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| 15:09.41 | simonrvn | Joersch: the file should say where. if not, go to www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ to find out how you can |
| 15:24.47 | grivell | Bought the MacMini. Jan 22 it arrives :) |
| 15:25.03 | Bor_Ed | buggr ! |
| 15:25.16 | grivell | ? |
| 15:25.28 | Bor_Ed | a real show off :) |
| 15:25.34 | Bor_Ed | I want one too |
| 15:25.36 | grivell | hehe |
| 15:27.04 | grivell | It looks nice. Has everything my iBook has. Radeon 9200/32mb, G4 1.25 GHz. |
| 15:31.36 | Bor_Ed | couple of macminis wouldn't hurt here either |
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| 15:50.16 | demon | yah |
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| 16:41.24 | simonrvn | naw, mac mini reminds one of the austin mini - stick a hydrocell engine in one of those, and you have a rocking vehicle |
| 16:41.47 | randyg | lol |
| 16:41.54 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 16:42.11 | randyg | but minimac reminds you of short bald dwarves, no? :P |
| 16:42.16 | simonrvn | how are you boys and girls doing today? |
| 16:42.25 | randyg | I shall name thee... minimac! |
| 16:42.26 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 16:42.52 | simonrvn | oh yeh, it's a stretch ;), but yes, vaguely :) |
| 16:43.45 | randyg | minimac to minime is a stretch? :P |
| 16:44.13 | simonrvn | not really =) |
| 16:44.33 | randyg | lol |
| 16:45.09 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 16:45.30 | randyg | how am I doing today... tired, overworked, missing having anyone to snuggle, really friggin cold, totally skint, umm... |
| 16:45.35 | randyg | you? :) |
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| 16:47.50 | simonrvn | a) no b) yes c) i do, but accessible ;) d) a bit chilly e) WTF does skint mean? otherwise ok |
| 16:48.30 | randyg | skint... broke. having no money. not being able to afford gas. etc. |
| 16:48.48 | simonrvn | oh, yeh, but i'm always like that ;) |
| 16:48.53 | randyg | heh |
| 16:50.00 | randyg | woot! argued with the capacitor people... they're now going to give me the caps I need (about 110 total of 6 different values) for $25 + $5 shipping. much, much better than their last offer of $15 for just 20 of them. :) |
| 16:50.20 | simonrvn | nice, good for you |
| 16:51.50 | randyg | name-brand low-esr caps are hard to find... |
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| 16:55.27 | randyg | simonrvn: this order is entirely low-esy nichicons... will long outlast the useful life of the motherboard. |
| 16:55.32 | randyg | low-esr |
| 16:55.44 | simonrvn | cool |
| 16:59.02 | randyg | radio shack gets about $5/each for them. :) |
| 16:59.32 | simonrvn | well, we know they commit highway robbery everyday, so. ;) |
| 16:59.47 | randyg | exactly :) |
| 17:01.20 | randyg | added up the order... total of 152 caps. |
| 17:01.43 | randyg | I need 75 or so to fix these motherboards... |
| 17:01.58 | simonrvn | wow |
| 17:02.15 | randyg | two 694d pros at 22 caps/each, plus a ka-11 with 25 or so caps. |
| 17:02.46 | randyg | there's not a single non-exploding cap on these boards... every single one is buldging, has vented,... |
| 17:08.15 | randyg | http://i24.ebayimg.com/02/i/03/2b/44/e3_1_b.JPG <== mrrf! that's a lotta plugs... |
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| 17:14.43 | sfire||mouse | :P randyg |
| 17:15.38 | Stereo | randyg: niice |
| 17:15.44 | Stereo | randyg: url? |
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| 17:18.05 | randyg | Stereo: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14973&item=5743058772&rd=1 |
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| 17:20.57 | ioops | hi |
| 17:22.33 | randyg | brb |
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| 18:21.00 | Joersch | hi again |
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| 18:53.59 | Bor_Ed | hmm, how much worth is g3/233 wallstreet ? |
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| 19:09.03 | simonrvn | dunno |
| 19:10.37 | Bor_Ed | http://www.huuto.net/fi/showitem.php3?itemid=13867195 worth that much ? |
| 19:12.11 | simonrvn | a little skimpy on the ram |
| 19:12.35 | Bor_Ed | but doesn't it take peecee so-dimms ? |
| 19:13.11 | simonrvn | dunno |
| 19:13.17 | Bor_Ed | lessee |
| 19:14.31 | Bor_Ed | looks that every ibook in apple-history take pc100 so-dimms |
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| 19:16.29 | Bor_Ed | what's wallstreets 'real' name ? |
| 19:16.43 | simonrvn | g3 powerbook |
| 19:16.46 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 19:17.11 | Bor_Ed | danke |
| 19:17.34 | Bor_Ed | powerbook g3 series to be precise |
| 19:17.48 | Bor_Ed | http://www.lowendmac.com/pb2/g3series.shtml |
| 19:17.56 | simonrvn | yes |
| 19:18.35 | Bor_Ed | hrm, no l2 cache |
| 19:18.58 | simonrvn | none? should be be on the cpu |
| 19:19.03 | one_2_one | hi ppl |
| 19:19.09 | simonrvn | hello |
| 19:19.14 | Bor_Ed | "Note that the entry level 233 MHz version, sometimes called "MainStreet," had no level 2 cache, which significantly diminished performance" |
| 19:19.28 | simonrvn | holy fuck |
| 19:19.39 | Bor_Ed | looks like that |
| 19:19.44 | simonrvn | don't bother then |
| 19:20.01 | Bor_Ed | I wonder if the one has that though... or some magical cpu upgrade |
| 19:20.20 | simonrvn | i think they are upgradable, but check ^^^^ |
| 19:21.47 | Bor_Ed | looks like that, 1MB backside cache on 250 and 292 MHz vers |
| 19:24.10 | Bor_Ed | hrm, looks like I ain't going fer it... |
| 19:25.12 | Bor_Ed | it's half the speed of the 250MHz model inside mockos |
| 19:25.22 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 19:25.45 | Bor_Ed | linux prolly would take even worse hit because of the cache |
| 19:26.33 | simonrvn | it would |
| 19:27.00 | Bor_Ed | oh well, didn't want portable ppc anyway :D |
| 19:28.01 | simonrvn | hah |
| 19:28.24 | simonrvn | j/k ;) |
| 19:28.41 | Bor_Ed | maybe I'll just find some toshiba libretto or WCe (hackable to linux) pda with KB |
| 19:29.36 | Bor_Ed | hp jornada and psion series 5mx are decent choices I'd think |
| 19:32.15 | simonrvn | pretty much the same reason |
| 19:32.50 | randyg | if anyone wants to buy me a linux-running pda, I won't object. :P |
| 19:32.56 | simonrvn | even if i could, i'd wait 'til they got really cheap |
| 19:33.12 | Bor_Ed | there's one hp/compaq ipaq at 80 eur currently with familiar installed :D |
| 19:33.17 | simonrvn | ...with solid state HDDs ;) |
| 19:33.45 | randyg | familiar? |
| 19:33.55 | Bor_Ed | handhelds.org deb based distro |
| 19:34.26 | randyg | ah |
| 19:34.34 | Bor_Ed | it's like emdebian but to embedded media thingies like pdas and so on |
| 19:37.01 | randyg | I still want the laptop someone I used to know had... |
| 19:37.22 | Bor_Ed | tadpole dual ultrasparc ? :D |
| 19:37.27 | randyg | nope |
| 19:37.31 | randyg | it was ultra-ultra-ultra thin |
| 19:37.35 | Bor_Ed | ohh |
| 19:37.36 | randyg | less than 3/8" thick or so |
| 19:37.50 | randyg | felt like a toy when you picked it up |
| 19:38.10 | Bor_Ed | I'd be happy with libretto sized x86 or a bit bigger ppc or smaller strongarm/xscale |
| 19:41.20 | randyg | blah, he never sent me the model number |
| 19:41.52 | Bor_Ed | ibook g3/500 at 410 eur... sheesh |
| 19:42.12 | randyg | it was amazingly thin and light |
| 19:42.18 | randyg | ran off a transmeta cpu |
| 19:42.35 | randyg | the extended life battery weighed as much as the entire rest of the laptop |
| 19:42.43 | randyg | but can't recall what model it was or who made it. blah! |
| 19:42.46 | Bor_Ed | ahh, transmeta thingies were pretty decently sized |
| 19:43.43 | randyg | he got it "cheap" (only $900) since the screen was damaged |
| 19:44.29 | Bor_Ed | 1 dead pixel in some corner or ? :) |
| 19:45.15 | randyg | my guess would be water got in it; dark splotches, bands, etc. |
| 19:45.34 | Bor_Ed | aww, that ain't too fun to watch |
| 19:45.35 | randyg | looked remarkably like mold on the back of the lcd |
| 19:47.34 | randyg | I have not been able to figure out what model it was, as searching both google and ebay doesn't seem to turn up anything resembling it. |
| 19:48.58 | randyg | it was unbelievably thin... |
| 19:49.38 | Bor_Ed | hehe, found pb190 at 15 eur... now there the price is correct for a starter |
| 19:54.22 | randyg | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44908&item=6731656712&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW <== that one is similar to the one he had... except his was all silver, and 1.2ghz. |
| 19:54.56 | randyg | and was a bit thinner and smaller |
| 19:55.25 | Bor_Ed | ebay... aww, moz hung again for next 30 mins |
| 19:55.35 | randyg | mozilla sucks |
| 19:55.53 | Bor_Ed | well, less than firefox so I'll stay using this piece of junk |
| 19:56.09 | Bor_Ed | links2 just doesn't render all sites correctly yet :I |
| 19:59.35 | randyg | mozilla and firefox somehow both completely suck... they're the only browsers so bad as to make IE look good. |
| 19:59.58 | Bor_Ed | dunno, haven't seen ie since 4.01 or something like that |
| 20:00.08 | randyg | neither have I. |
| 20:00.15 | randyg | IE 4 works better than firefox 1.-. |
| 20:00.16 | randyg | 10 |
| 20:00.17 | randyg | 1.0 |
| 20:00.19 | randyg | grr |
| 20:00.41 | Bor_Ed | I have moz 1.7.x and have no probs with this except on some M$ coded sites |
| 20:00.54 | Bor_Ed | and those probs are prolly because of privoxy |
| 20:01.25 | randyg | right now I have firefox... slower than hell, buggy, crashes constantly, eats ram, doesn't have 1/50th the configuration options it should have, ... |
| 20:01.48 | Bor_Ed | when I tested firefox, it was just like that... |
| 20:02.09 | Bor_Ed | moz has now ~60 megs ram in use I'd guess, with ~dozen tabs open |
| 20:02.13 | randyg | and installing tabextensions results in it being unusable... despite poking at it for three days, never once got it to restore tabs properly. |
| 20:03.04 | randyg | opera is pretty nice, but it's closed-source... |
| 20:03.10 | randyg | thus making it evil |
| 20:03.40 | randyg | and why can't firefox print?! every time I've ever tried printing anything, it's managed to mangle the printout beyond usability. |
| 20:04.01 | randyg | I had to start opera yesterday so I could print some maps out... |
| 20:08.59 | randyg | I still have netscape 4.7 on the left half of my desk... on a p2-350. it's, dunno. FIFTY times faster than firefox on my dual p3-866 on the right half... |
| 20:09.13 | Bor_Ed | restarting privoxy started to load the sites |
| 20:12.08 | randyg | it's sad that netscape is so much faster than firefox... |
| 20:12.12 | randyg | and more reliable |
| 20:14.16 | Bor_Ed | I haven't used netscape after 4.5.something on os/2, it got way too blo |
| 20:14.28 | Bor_Ed | bloated and moved to moz M6 or M8 |
| 20:14.53 | randyg | netscape 4.7 is much, much, much faster and more reliable than firefox... |
| 20:15.11 | randyg | my p2-350 with netscape is much faster than my dual p3-866 with firefox... |
| 20:15.36 | Bor_Ed | I don't currently have x86 boxen here :D |
| 20:15.41 | randyg | heh |
| 20:15.48 | randyg | I have... 20 or so. |
| 20:16.17 | Bor_Ed | wife has k6-2/500 and I have this buggr beige g3 and 4400/200 as server |
| 20:18.14 | randyg | currently working are an amd 2600+ (not mine, sadly), dual p3-866 (ircing from it now, right half of dual-monitor x2x setup), dual p3-800 (dead until new caps), p3-733, duron-750, celery-667 (presently a motherboard and cpu sitting on top of my desk; stole its case, etc), p3-500 (just needs a fansink), p2-350 (left half of x2x), and p2-300 laptop. |
| 20:19.42 | randyg | in the garage, an untested dual p2-233, a p2-300, and some 200-something-ish mhz older boxes. |
| 20:21.08 | randyg | at some point, all the ones I don't use inside will be set up in the garage, plugged into a 24-port ethernet switch, as a renderfarm... |
| 20:28.17 | randyg | true, using a few kW of electricity to run a renderfarm that could be replaced by a single modern box is a little questionable, but it will be a fun project. |
| 20:31.19 | randyg | and will see if my raytracer handles a hetrogenous renderfarm as well as I think it should. |
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| 20:37.02 | Bor_Ed | well, hacking always is :) |
| 20:37.40 | Shura | anyone knows where to find info on how the boot-hfs-floppy was created which is used for the oldworld power mac installer? |
| 20:37.43 | randyg | heh :) |
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| 20:49.14 | jaska | weirdo :P |
| 20:49.26 | randyg | jaska: and why's that? |
| 20:49.30 | jaska | tail? |
| 20:49.46 | randyg | apt: what is furry? |
| 20:49.47 | apt | furry is probably a large portion of OSS developers. (a large portion of the rest of the population is furry too, for that matter). For more information on furry culture, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom |
| 20:53.25 | randyg | tail. :P |
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| 21:02.08 | randyg | no comment, eh? |
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| 21:49.20 | lothwen | is there any java IDE for debian/ppc ??? |
| 21:49.25 | lothwen | or monodevelop ??? |
| 21:49.53 | Q-FUNK | mono, yes |
| 21:49.58 | Bor_Ed | java ide... hmmm |
| 21:50.06 | Q-FUNK | java is dead, |
| 21:50.09 | Bor_Ed | I wonder if ibm has any |
| 21:51.57 | randyg | ibm has one, but it dumps core when trying to run jbidwatcher (according to simonrvn). |
| 21:53.44 | lothwen | I have the IBM jdk .... but I want an IDE for develop |
| 21:54.05 | randyg | hrmm, didn't see that you said ide. :) |
| 21:54.20 | randyg | I think there's a number that are written in java, and thus shouldn't care that they're on ppc... |
| 21:55.15 | Zomb | what about Eclipse? |
| 21:56.04 | lothwen | uhmm eclipse |
| 21:58.20 | Zomb | IIRC is debian version fscking old and the new 3.0 is declared as permanent beta (though working for me) |
| 21:58.32 | Zomb | (on x86) |
| 21:58.36 | al_ | no more maintainer for eclipse in debian |
| 21:58.51 | al_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=276096 |
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| 22:38.05 | randyg | you know you're in a redneck area when... you use ebay's "items near me" search, and the only device with a PN junction in it within 50 miles is a smashed digital camera. |
| 22:42.35 | Curalton | rofl |
| 22:44.19 | randyg | everything else is mostly useless trinkets, used clothes, etc. |
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| 22:45.00 | Curalton | roadkill |
| 22:45.29 | randyg | lol |
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| 23:40.03 | Q-FUNK | svenl: has anyone actually uploaded the supposedly trivial patched control-center, in the end? |
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| 23:52.29 | gongoputch | install troubles, anyone around? |
| 23:54.08 | Q-FUNK | https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=306 |
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| 23:57.20 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: if they cannot fix the damn ALSA drivers with all these info, they probably never will. ;) |
