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00:47.47simonrvnQ-FUNK: ;)
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03:38.45huhlig-winxphey, simonrvn you alive
03:43.26randygdunno.  throw something at him.  :)
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04:39.56vernyhey can anyone help me out for a minute?
04:45.10simonrvn@+ask
04:45.13ravenbirdIf you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic!  Don't ask if you can ask a question first. It's a bit redundant and it makes some folks grumpy. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission on #debianppc.  Thanks!
04:45.38huhlig-winxpsimonrvn, hi hi
04:45.50simonrvnhello
04:46.01vernyi want to make my screen resolution bigger right now the highest it goes is 800x600 i want to make it like a 1024x760
04:46.17simonrvndpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
04:46.49vernyin my terminal
04:46.55vernysorry im new
04:46.57simonrvnfbset
04:47.05vernywheres that
04:47.40simonrvnapt-get install fbset. /usr/sbin/fbset. root's $PATH should find it
04:47.52vernysorry im goin in this blind i looked all over the net couldnt find anything in somewhat easy terms
04:48.16randyghrmm.  apparently the latest nvidia 6800s can be used in pairs, with one rendering the top half of the screen and one the bottom half.  is there really anyone insane enough to spend $1200 to get more FPS?  :P
04:50.42vernyok i did the apt get now how do i get into fbset
04:50.52simonrvnverny: this isn't hard. you do fbset 1024x768-70 or 1024x768-60 to test, and if it looks good then add -a to after fbset
04:51.49vernysimonrvn, im sorry i know i sound stupid but im goin in this blind this is the first hours on linux forme
04:52.00randygagh!  I hate people who answer yes to either/or questions!  "did you have this system professionally installed, or did you install it yourself?"  "YES, ABSOLUTELY!!"
04:52.40simonrvnverny: then edit your yaboot.conf or quik.conf and add something like append="video=driverfb:the_value_that_works, save, then run ybin -v or quik -v
04:52.46simonrvnverny: not stupid
04:53.19vernysimonrvn,  i do this all in terminal right
04:53.26randygbbl, shower, packing car
04:53.37simonrvnverny: do cat /proc/fb then paste me what it says
04:53.45simonrvnverny: yes
04:54.23vernyverNoningoaL:/home/vern# cat / proc/fb
04:54.23vernycat: /: Is a directory
04:54.23vernycat: proc/fb: No such file or directory
04:54.37simonrvnlike i typed it
04:54.57vernyoops typo
04:56.24vernyits saying no such file or directory
04:58.59simonrvndo lspci | grep VGA
05:00.13vernyverNoningoaL:/home/vern# lspci | grep VGA
05:00.13verny0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage IIC AGP (rev 7a)
05:01.07simonrvnand "cat /proc/fb" says no such file or directory?
05:01.31vernyhold on ill do it again and paste what it does
05:02.17vernyverNoningoaL:/home/vern# cat /proc/fb
05:02.17vernyverNoningoaL:/home/vern#
05:02.37simonrvnstrange. ok. try doing modprobe atyfb
05:03.02simonrvnoh, before you do that, tell me what machine is this and what "uname -r" says
05:05.16simonrvnshould output something like this, but appropriate to your video h/w
05:05.17simonrvncat /proc/fb
05:05.17simonrvn0 ATY Mach64
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05:07.57vernyok that made my screen go fritz
05:08.06vernybrb pee break
05:09.09vernyback
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06:09.26xmbhow to get to the OF console on an '99 imac dv se
06:09.40xmband is there some informative overall url/site about it?
06:10.11xmblast time, like a half year ago, i updated yaboot, which introduced some path changes in the config somewhere
06:11.01xmbafter installing the bootblock it stopped booting, ...now im still at that point, but with some HD/ram probs... i hope for a 'list' OF command to show connected IDE devices
06:28.48xmbtrying c-alt-O-F doesnt work... may it be cause its a logitech keyboard?
06:36.01dcmbrown_trying to create the install disks for sys 7.5.1 so I can change a Powerbook 5300 over to LinuxPPC...  dd if=image.bin of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024   does not create a bootable disk.  The only disk I've been able to get to read to boot from that mac is a mac created disk.
06:52.51randygblah.  power outage.  ups == good.  :)
07:02.15xmbcool c-z on booting
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07:18.14Shuraanyone can tell me if i can use vesa as video driver to drive an unsupported S3 card? :)
07:18.24Shura(xfree86 4.4)
07:19.06Shuraor if i even should have that driver from the default compile on ppc
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07:52.56xmbhow do i 'see' in OF that a HD is really connected? i got /pci/mac-io/ata-[34][/disk], 2 times -3, nothing more
08:04.09randygbbl, sleep
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08:39.33FloidThat line in the topic couldn't be more accurate.
08:40.21FloidPretty simple, stupid question, though... So let's say I've got Debian or Ubuntu or whatever tossed onto an oldworld...
08:40.55FloidBootX will load it, but is there any happy fun utility to reboot to one of the Mac slices without jumping through OF or PR-zap hoops?
08:41.24Floid(Before I actually go through with this, only to realize I'll never make it peon-friendly anyway...)
08:41.55pahartikFloid: Mac-on-Linux or BootX
08:42.36FloidHmm, BootX works the appropriate magic to reboot to the right place, you mean?
08:43.29xmbls there a way to browse the fs in OF?
08:43.31Floid(So if I bang Ubuntu onto the Beige so movie playback/etc can be done at reasonable FPS, there's some option in BootX such that restart from Ubuntu will drop clueless_parent back to OS X?)
08:43.46pahartikFloid: with BootX you do not have to interact with OpenFirmware
08:45.10FloidOkay, let me put it this way, I've only used BootX to play with LiveCDs that've had the habit of ejecting themselves... it *normally* sets (or for that matter, doesn't touch things) such that restart from the *NIX side will boot back into the last active official_MacOS slice?
08:45.42FloidBecause I was just blindly assuming it'd leave things nondeterministic, but you've got a hell of a point there. :)
08:47.29FloidActually, enough of a point that I can shut up, but if you confirm it one more time I can thank you for clearing it up.
08:48.36pahartikFloid: BootX does not touch OpenFirmware, BootX requires MacOS kernel to work
08:51.24FloidYep, I should've realized that before asking.  So it has no effect on boot-device state. :P
08:53.04FloidThanks for clearing that up. ;)
08:55.00FloidNow it's time for the IQ test of partitioning 160GB for X, 9_for_X, 9_for_normal_usage, *and* some Finux.  Starts to make it feel kind of cramped.
08:56.21FloidWhile I'm being a dork, you wouldn't know where to find the real math behind the 8gb limit, would you?
08:57.54FloidTrial and error gets interesting when the Apple tools round in unexpected ways.
08:59.48simonrvn8 gb limit disappeared with os x beta
09:00.49FloidIt still holds-for and complains about it on the Beige G3.
09:01.32FloidMaybe they had a workaround in Jaguar that they removed for Panther, or didn't realize it still applied... I've found some horror stories.
09:01.40simonrvnprobably a stupid pointless artifical limitation
09:02.19FloidUnsure.  The way the official OS X loader works on that hardware creates it, whether it has to be there or not.
09:03.43FloidAnd if only there weren't that problem with the driver for the Rage II+DVD causing Xnu to panic after a while, it'd be great.  But that's my fault for running Panther on it.
09:05.18FloidHere's hoping the Mini means I can get its user something a little more 'supported' cheap, but welcome to the world of the unemployed.
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09:34.10clampindoes Debian run on imac G5 ?
09:34.54simonrvnlinux runs on imac 'g5', so yes debian can too
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10:01.37FloidWow, off-topic, but 10.3.5's Disk Utility or whatever it is is incredibly broken.
10:05.45FloidIt seems to calculate free space based on the height of the widgets on-screen, so even telling it, say, 6 'locked' 1MB partitions would only show 30GB out of 120 for the 7th.
10:07.27simonrvnwtf
10:08.39FloidYeah, it really is that lovely.  Back to OS9 with me, though I assume if I fought enough I could use Darwin pdisk or something.
10:09.10simonrvnmac-fdisk ;)
10:09.13FloidMaybe they never tested it at the resolution it comes up in on the Beige, the real problem seems to be that, unlike 9's, it won't allow the widgets to be smaller than the text within.
10:09.21simonrvnthen a nice little mkfs.foo /dev/bar
10:09.45FloidHm, that's the GNU world's implementation, yes? :)
10:10.30FloidIn theory I need to possibly care about having these OS9 'drivers' installed, although I probably don't, because that probably really only matters for 68k, but still.
10:10.53FloidSo I don't really want to get even less deterministic. :P
10:11.53FloidHere's hoping the official loader (or whatever installing X does to change the entire look of the boot process) actually finds the OS9 partition instead of spitting out a string of SCSI errors when I copy things to the IDE drive. :P
10:12.15simonrvnthat's a linux app, yes
10:13.14simonrvnheh. with mac-fdisk (or whatever -disk) you can just delete the partitions, recreate them, and leave the driver partitions intact
10:14.04FloidThat's a possibility.  9's sort of works, though, I was just taking a breather to rant. :)
10:14.41FloidAnd to warn y'all, if you didn't notice.  7 slices is probably a pretty rare setup.
10:14.47simonrvn-9's wil happily wipe the whole drive for you
10:14.55simonrvnno
10:15.06simonrvn54 partitions on this box
10:15.07FloidWell, for people using the official util, I mean.
10:15.31FloidSomeone probably forgot to test it at the 640x480 the installer comes up with on this hardware. :)
10:15.46simonrvnhaha. i don't doubt it ;)
10:16.06FloidDunno why it comes up at that resolution, but it does.
10:16.23simonrvnOF's default res.
10:16.40FloidTrue.
10:17.24FloidThey managed to make the X trendy-Apple splash come up higher and in a mode that creates a white 'oops your timing's a little off' band on the side of the display.
10:17.46FloidI think that's just to spite me for using a SVGA and adapter, though. ;)
10:17.47simonrvnwee
10:18.53FloidDoot doot doot, hopefully I'll be idle for two days now until I get Ubuntu installed and have a kernel problem.
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16:25.06lothwensomeone have monodevelop running ???
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16:39.08simonrvn@+ask
16:39.11ravenbirdIf you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic!  Don't ask if you can ask a question first. It's a bit redundant and it makes some folks grumpy. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission on #debianppc.  Thanks!
16:39.12simonrvn@any use
16:39.17simonrvn@anyone use
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16:41.50thebugI still find @away hillarious and relevant on occasion
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17:52.09simonrvn@away
17:52.10ravenbirdmethinks away is We don't care if you're 'afk', 'having a shower' or 'doing my wife'.  If we really want to know, we'll /whois you. so please disable any public messages your client sends when you go /away or come back, or there are almost 600 people here.  If everyone did something annoying, we'd never get any conversation in.
17:52.43simonrvn@away ~= s/, or there are almost 600 people here//
17:52.44ravenbirdI think you lost me on that one, simonrvn
17:52.58simonrvn@away =~ s/, or there are almost 600 people here//
17:52.59ravenbirdsimonrvn: OK
17:53.20simonrvnirrelevant, and useless
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18:02.03deadsmithhelp -- i reinstalled osx and it wrote over my boot loader.  I thought I could just use the netinst cd to do an expert root=/dev/hda5, but the kernel doesn't support xfs (which is my root os).  I don't know how to get to my partition and run /usr/sbin/ybin
18:06.34deadsmithwoohoo, go openfirmware!
18:06.36deadsmithnevermind.
18:08.19randyglol
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18:08.26randygback so soon?  :P
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18:11.41eddypre all
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18:21.42thebugI know this is a bit cliche at this point, but I've got 10 gmail invites anyone's welcome to
18:24.36randygI don't plan on using any email that scans my text to develop profiles and target advertising...
18:24.58randygplus I strongly doubt gmail has as many features as randygmail.  :)
18:25.15thebugprobably not
18:26.12thebugbut on the other hand, if you were ever expecting email to be private and secure, you'd be using gpg/pgp with it anyway ... ;)
18:26.27randygI rarely need private/secure...
18:26.43randygI use gpg for the few times I do.  :)
18:27.07randygand then I still don't call it really private/secure...  I'm sure it's trivial for the nsa to read them.
18:27.08thebugI use it for the nifty threading for mailing lists
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18:27.58randyg<PROTECTED>
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18:27.58randyg<PROTECTED>
18:28.08randygdid I mention randygmail uses a furry registrar?  :)
18:28.41thebughehe
18:35.07randygI find running my own mail server to be much nicer than using webmail...
18:40.25simonrvnsame here ;)
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18:58.15randygsimonrvn:  but, do your domains have things about bushy tails when you whois them?  :)
18:58.29simonrvnno
19:00.27randygblah!  :P
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19:59.22britt_hello
19:59.46simonrvnhi
20:00.33britt_I have a 3400c with 8.6 on it
20:00.55britt_I was wondering if it would be any faster with linux on it
20:01.01simonrvnprobably
20:04.58Piruhttp://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/050114pic1.html
20:06.46eddyphas anybody a config for 2.6.9+sleep#7/powerbook G4 laptop?
20:07.34simonrvnPiru: is that titan?
20:08.07Piruyes.
20:08.11simonrvnw00t
20:08.13Pirualtitude of 16km. first picture released
20:08.24Piru"The first image shows what appear to be drainage channels flowing to a possible shoreline, the camera's scientist. The pictures are raw and unprocessed."
20:08.59randygraw and unprocessed, except for photoshopping out the ufos...
20:09.52simonrvnsite's probably getting /.ed...
20:10.11randygheh
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20:16.10randygbbl, back to packing car
20:16.57randygpic?
20:17.11simonrvnon that site ^^
20:17.17randygloaded instantly here...
20:18.15randyghrmm, but now doesn't load.
20:18.19simonrvnyeh
20:18.22Piruit's /. .. wget this one http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/pics/050114huygens1.jpg
20:18.26simonrvnsite's getting overloaded
20:18.30simonrvnthanks
20:18.48randygthe original url loaded this time, just took 30 seconds.
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20:19.13Piruit's badly hammered atm :)
20:19.27randygsfire||mouse:  /me is missing fc2005.  /me is sad.  :(
20:19.28simonrvnyeh ;)
20:23.01sfire||mouseaww
20:26.20randygbbl, back to sorting car
20:35.56Piruhttp://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/cassini_huygens/huygens_land/landing_01_H.tif
20:35.58Piruw00t
20:39.03simonrvnyay
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20:53.51simonrvnT="Last ditch on PlanB driver" from <bounce-debian-powerpc=
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20:59.20simonrvn@invalid argument
20:59.21ravenbird"foo: Invalid argument" usually means you're trying to do something for which you need a special kernel option enabled -- and you didn't enable it. "That argument is invalid" is commonly used if you use non-sequiturs during a discussion.
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21:47.16core_apt love me
21:47.18aptIf you love core_ so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh)
21:47.37coreapt love me
21:47.40aptIf you love core so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh)
21:48.08al_...
21:48.10al_apt love me
21:48.12aptIf you love al_ so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh)
21:48.15al_!
21:49.27corei thought apt used to be more loving
21:49.28core:(
21:49.41coreapt give me love
21:49.44corehehe
21:49.48coreapt make love
21:49.50aptmake: *** No rule to make target `love'.  Stop.
21:49.58coreno  no no
21:50.00corelove:
21:50.07core<PROTECTED>
21:50.10ravenbird"not war"
21:50.16core*shakes head*
21:50.22al_damn.
21:50.25coreapt benh
21:50.27aptbenh maintains a powerpc kernel rsync tree, see http://penguinppc.org/~benh/, or see factoid 'ppc rsync'
21:50.33coreapt core
21:50.34aptfrom memory, core is In UNIX systems this term is commonly used in reference to core dumps.
21:50.38al_you must be a real geek to ask love from bots
21:50.45coreal_ ;p
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21:51.26*** mode/#debianppc [+o apt] by core
21:51.26*** mode/#debianppc [-o apt] by ChanServ
21:51.28corehehe
21:51.32coreoh well
21:51.36*** mode/#debianppc [-o core] by core
21:53.43al_core, you're one of the debian/irc admins ?
21:55.18corei think so
21:55.21corebut i'm never around
21:58.33Piruhttp://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/cassini_huygens/huygens_land/landing_02_H.tif
22:12.19pahartikPiru: are you at Alternative Party now?
22:12.33Pirunope
22:13.03pahartikPiru: what happened?
22:13.12Piruwhere?
22:13.37Pirureally, too busy with stuff to do altparty if you mean that
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22:38.54simonrvn@love me
22:39.09simonrvncore: is that what you were looking for? :)
22:39.19core@love me
22:39.22coreyessss
22:39.42coreunf
22:40.08simonrvncore: doing well? :)
22:42.13coregetting evicted and on foodstamps
22:42.16corebut well in spirit
22:42.17coreu?
22:42.27simonrvnbeen there, i know. doing ok
22:42.36coregood :-)
22:42.37simonrvnthat sucks man :(
22:42.44coreah i'll survive
22:42.58core*HUG*
22:43.05core:'(
22:43.22simonrvn*HUG*
22:44.09pahartikPiru: i guess i meant that
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23:12.31simonrvnGRRR
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