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00:01.00sloopyravenbird: quik
00:01.28sloopyravenbird: botsnack
00:03.40ravenbirdhmm... quik is the primary bootloader for OldWorld PowerMacs. at http://penguinppc.org/projects/quik, or see ng for OldWorld Powerbook G3s
00:03.40ravenbird:), sloopy
00:05.59sloopythe bird is lagged (relative to me :'/)
00:06.35simonrvnits home is busy ATM
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00:20.06sloopyahhh poor bird :'(
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01:55.11GeeSeCillosomeone has a airport extreme?
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02:08.55pahartikGeeSeCillo: i got one with iBook G4 but sold it...
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02:48.19randygis there any way to change firefox and/or mozilla's user-agent string without needing to recompile?
02:48.56randygwells fargo seems to have added a bit of code...  along the lines of "if browser != IE {tell user to fuck off}"
02:50.08pahartikrandyg: you need better sites
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03:39.53xlobeznoxhi
03:40.00xlobeznoxsomeone have ibook with vga putput working?
03:40.03xlobeznoxoutput
03:56.31randygpahartik:  changing banks is harder than changing web sites
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05:24.02mehulIs there some tool that can be used to test a hard drive on a G3 B&W ?
05:24.16mehulAnd to test memory in a particular slot ?
05:25.01simonrvnmemtest for ram, badblocks for disks
05:26.33mehulwith memtest, anyway to tell it to test the memory chip from one particular slot rather then all of them ?
05:28.03nusse_remove all ram you dont want to check
05:28.44mehuldamn ... was hoping to not do that .. :)
05:28.45mehuloh well.
05:29.45nusse_dunno, perhaps its possible
05:31.00mehulfrom what i remember, you can't unless you give it a specific range, and I don't know how to figure out what range corresponds to what chip ..
05:31.09mehulso i guess i'll just use the brute force method.
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05:36.38simonrvnwell, it's not an 8500, it's a b&w ;)
05:37.04mehul:)
05:40.21randygknow what?  torsen diffs are really messy.  :)
05:41.25nusseis there any way to get a 7500 booting from ide?
05:41.47nusseor would the lasy man boot from scsi and use ide for /?
05:41.58simonrvna 7500 doesn't have onboard ide
05:42.25nussebut i can use a pci ide
05:42.26simonrvnbooting from it it needs to be flashed to mac, otherwise forgettaboutit
05:42.38nussefuck.
05:43.10nussemy scsi disk died, of wont even load quik anymore. and these disks are so uncheap.
05:43.29simonrvni know...
05:44.30mehulthat's one of the problems I have too nusse.  my scsi disk from my 7100 died this past summer, i don't know how to recover the data from it.  10 years of stuff on that machine !!!
05:46.32nusseyeah, i was so stupid to use this box for mail/irc/usenet/everything
05:46.47mehulsame here.
05:47.24mehulalthough the machine is still fine, but no scsi disk ... and i'm finding it difficult to find SCSI-I SCSI-II type disks ..
05:47.25nussei hope booting with floppies and mounting the disk one more time works for me. have to check it the next days
05:47.36simonrvnboot from scsi, run from ide. not hard. you should see my partition layout...
05:48.21nussesimonrvn: OF is bugging me with "claim failed". what does it mean? i can even _see_ the quik loader
05:48.24mehuldoes anyone know of a data recovery joint that will recover data from an ext2/ext3 partition ?
05:48.50simonrvnat what point does it do that?
05:49.03simonrvnbackups are cheaper
05:49.06nusseafter quik prints his msgs
05:49.32nussemy last backup is made in february 04:(
05:49.44nussei even used this box to backup other machines
05:49.47mehulbackups are cheaper, but that will have to be for the future.  for now i need to recover the last 10 years or at least the last 6 years.
05:50.00simonrvngood luck
05:54.10simonrvnfucking of and it's generic errors...
05:56.24simonrvncheck the nvram settings, check to see if the *.b files are ok, check the boot command line, check that the disk is ok (quik will survive a dirty ext2 with no problems), check that quik itself is ok
05:59.20nusseok. so no problem solving in of itself is possible.
06:00.06simonrvnstep 1 is OF based
06:00.30simonrvnand step 3 is modifiable via OF CL
06:00.33nussei did not change anything
06:01.14nusseit took me months to get of load quik every third time, theres nothing i can change
06:01.19simonrvndoesn't hurt to check; certain kernels flipped boot order
06:01.47nussedebian kernel packages?
06:02.17simonrvnnot sure. quite possible.
06:05.26nussedefault catch FFFFFFF6
06:05.52nussewhen i try boot scsi-int/blah
06:06.33simonrvnfull path, don't use the aliases for the drives. bug
06:07.03nussewell, it worked
06:07.49simonrvnok. some are less picky =)
06:10.15nusse"steve jobs murdered by frustrated openfirmware user"
06:10.46simonrvni'm surprised it hasn't happened yet ;P
06:11.24nussewas he ceo when of 1.0.5 was sold?
06:11.44nusses/of 1.0.5/boxes with of 1.0.5/
06:13.50simonrvncan't remember
06:18.33simonrvnzzzz
06:18.42mehul1.0.5 was with what ?  the 7200 ? or later ?
06:22.10simonrvn7200
06:22.32mehulwell in that case he wasn't CEO yet.
06:25.31pahartikrandyg: if my bank stopped offering decent service, i would start looking for another
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06:28.53pahartikrandyg: https://pda.op.fi/ (they have testing account available, see "Help")
06:29.20randyg...and you think I can read that?  :)
06:29.41randyga .fi bank isn't very useful to .us people...
06:30.28pahartikrandyg: "In English" -> "Help"
06:34.50pahartikrandyg: i am not suggesting you use that bank, just giving URL as reference of decent service
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10:44.49Bor_Edhmm, is the appleserial connector officially called rs-482 or -485 ?
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11:18.17pahartikBor_Ed: as interface: RS-422, as connector: mini-DIN 8
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11:23.08Bor_Edahh thanks, got to pick up some level translator chips here
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11:26.44i386hmm
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13:43.49RS6000hi all.need some help with an rs6000. Does anybody know if Matrox G400 is supported under ppc64?
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16:56.02demonanyone know when there'll be a 2.6.10 packaged kernel for PPC?
16:56.18Bor_Edas soon as deb packager bothers to make one
16:57.08demonis it still recommended not to use the 2.6.9 kernel package?
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17:00.07Bor_EdI'd guess sit has a new build... I've done my kernels as long as I can remember and only used deb built for install
17:02.34Pirudemon, you could just apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.10 and zcat /proc/config.gz >srcdir/.config and use make-kpkg to build your own
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17:17.47randygwhat is it with ebay sellers putting random punctuation (such as "!!! !!! !!!", "L00K!!!", etc) into auction titles?  are people actually more likely to bid on one of those?!  :P
17:18.14Bor_Edyes !!11!11
17:18.15Piruno
17:19.08randyglol
17:19.52randygexample:  "•• Intuos (1) AirBrush (GP400E) •• !!! LIKE NEW !!! ••"
17:20.24randyg(also note ascii >127...)
17:21.29Bor_Edand utf :/
17:22.25randygwhen I'm scanning search results, crap like that usually results in the listing being totally ignored.  there's more punctuation than text.  :)
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17:46.19r0skbuen día gente
17:46.49r0skHi all :)
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18:30.42sloopyanyone here sub to the MOL-General ML?
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18:52.38demonsloopy: I do, though I haven't been keeping up with it... also, the subscription mechanism was hosed last I tried (was moving mailing lists to a new account)
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18:57.42sgeigerbotI heard that someone had a macosx desktop running within xnest on debian.  Sounds like you'd have the best of both worlds on a single computer.  Does anyone know how this is accomplished?
18:58.22sgeigerbotIf this is for real, I'll probably pick up a mac mini soon.  :-)  Woohoo...a real justification for a toy.
18:58.34thebugrun MOL and have it display inside an Xnest display?
18:58.50thebug<which sounds like a silly bit of indirection to me>
18:59.16thebugif you want OS X, why not just run OS X?
18:59.35sgeigerbotthebug: because I'd like to run debian at the same time.
18:59.56sgeigerbotthebug: I'm just used to it...and fink isn't as good as the real thing, in my experience.
19:00.15thebugmeh, to each his/her/its own
19:01.06thebugbut anyway, you could have a 'macosx desktop' in a window on linux if you use MOL
19:01.14thebugas long as you don't own a G5
19:01.39thebugthen you're SOL
19:01.48sgeigerbotthebug: what's the url of mol?
19:01.54thebugmaconlinux.com
19:01.59sgeigerbothttp://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~ctwardy/mol-debian-benh.html <- ok...
19:02.02sgeigerbotthanks
19:02.11demonI run linux on my G3, and use X compressed and tunnelled via SSH to display to my x86 linux box
19:02.21thebugI was under the impression that very few people need benh kernels these days
19:02.22demonso I have OS X in a window on my x86 system
19:02.43thebugtrue, but you'd not bother with MOL -> ssh X tunnel -> Xnest -> X11
19:02.48thebugthat's just silly
19:02.59thebugjust have it really display as a window, not a window inside a window
19:03.10thebug(just going off of what sgeigerbot was describing)
19:03.29demonright
19:03.37demonno point to run it in Xnest...
19:04.44thebug"OH NOES TEH HAX0RS! I'LL FIREWALL MY X11 DESKTOP USING XNEST!"
19:04.44thebug</sarcasm> ;)
19:06.43sgeigerbotthebug: Does MOL require PPC hardware?
19:07.29sgeigerbotdemon: I don't know why they were using xnest then.
19:07.43PiruMOL for sure requires ppc hw
19:07.59sgeigerbotthanks.
19:09.34thebugyes, definitely
19:09.56thebug/topic #mol
19:10.12Piruppc emulation for other archs: PearPC
19:10.59thebugor http://sources.redhat.com/psim/ for people who aren't using PPC emulation to run OS X
19:11.06thebugor qemu too
19:15.57Piruyeah
19:29.03dj-deathis it possible to use opengl apps for osX with mol ?
19:32.53Curaltondj-death: nope
19:33.22dj-death:(
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19:34.50PetroIs it possible to use distcc between an iBook running Debian GNU/Linux and a G4 "windtunnel" running Mac OS 10.3?
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19:51.49thebugif you have a toolchain installed on OS X that'll generate stuff for powerpc-linux-gnu (or whatever your toolchain is deemed), it should work
19:52.36thebugthere should be some stuff about using distcc for cross compiling
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22:32.41Maxzorin123Is there a way of getting a modern PPC system hardware without buying another Mac?
22:32.58Bor_Edwww.pegasosppc.com
22:33.03Bor_Edwww.mai.com
22:33.32Maxzorin123thanks
22:33.42Bor_Edor if you're really rich, get ibm or freescale.com dev board
22:34.22Bor_Edbest bang for the buck currently is macmini though :I
22:35.03Maxzorin123sweet
22:35.30Maxzorin123will all DEB files work on Debian PPC or do they have to be special files?
22:36.08Bor_Edany debian ppc file will work on any debian ppc box, kernels are a bit different but that's it
22:38.39Maxzorin123I mean will all DEB files work, like can I just do apt-get celestia
22:38.49Maxzorin123for example, and get the celestia deb and have it work?
22:39.10dj-deathhow much for a pegasos G4 ?
22:41.34Bor_Edyes
22:41.49Maxzorin123sweet
22:41.53Bor_Eddj-death, prebuild sys here is ~800 eur ... a sec
22:42.01Maxzorin123I am thinking about buying a mac mini then
22:42.05Maxzorin123so I can try debian on the PPC
22:43.19Bor_Eddj-death, 845 eur with g4/1GHz, radeon9200se 32MB, 80GB HD, 256MB ram
22:43.36Bor_Edmacmini doesn't currently support audio on linux
22:44.20dj-deathBor_Ed: quite expensive ..
22:44.23Maxzorin123some will will get a driver soon
22:44.34Bor_Eddj-death, well, it's ripoff store ...
22:44.40Maxzorin123gtg
22:45.15dj-deathripoff ?
22:45.27Bor_Edboard only is 635 eur
22:45.42dj-deathlol
22:46.00dj-deaththat sucks
22:46.24Bor_Edripoff == you pay overprice, they take one of yer testicles, one of yer kidneys(sp) and still you own for them
22:46.27dj-deathso I will probably buy a mini mac
22:47.05Bor_Edapple shot a pretty heavy offer when they released it for sure
22:48.14Bor_Edjust get creative extigy for sound
22:48.28Bor_Edusb sound block with full functionality
22:48.44dj-deathis the default sound card so bad ?
22:49.10Bor_Edafaik it's the same that is on g5 (someone correct if I'm wrong) and doesn't have specs released
22:49.32dj-deathfuck ...
22:51.11Bor_Edanyway, the internal chip has only line-out in the first place so ...
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23:38.05sloopydemon: i am the mod for the mailing list, i was checking to make sure it was fixed... and it is...
23:38.32sloopyfor those who dont know the MOL-General Mailing List works again (Mac-On-Linux)
23:38.39brainZzZmy dolby digital/dts amp works again
23:39.36simonrvn@test2
23:39.37ravenbirdNo, i'm not online anymore.
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23:42.47Q-FUNKeh?
23:47.49lothwensomeone knows if the iBook? microphone works ???
23:50.37dj-deathlothwen: yes it works for me
23:50.58dj-deathlothwen: but line input doesnt work :(
23:51.00lothwenin linux ??
23:51.49lothwenhow ???
23:52.02dj-deathyes on linux
23:52.15dj-deathI'm using dsnoop
23:52.23dj-deathwith alas
23:52.24dj-deathalsa
23:52.54dj-deathjust launch alsamixer
23:53.10dj-deathgo to <input source>
23:53.32dj-deathand with key up/down select the input
23:53.36dj-deathline or mic
23:53.42dj-deathmic works
23:53.47dj-deathline does not
23:54.05lothwenuhmm ok
23:54.16lothwenbut I dont have ALSA ... :S
23:54.28lothwenI would compile new kernel ..
23:54.52dj-deathyeah ;)
23:55.04dj-deathyes benh patch with suspend support ;)
23:55.22lothwenwhere is iBooks line-in ???
23:56.17dj-deathwell by line-in I mean, what your mp3 player actually plays

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