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| 01:56.27 | randyg | sigh... "sorry 2c u go,but atleast u seem wise. education should cum first if u hav to choose between the 2. besides,once your educated better and land that big $$$ job,u can buy more fg's". I think I'm out of place on this forum... |
| 01:57.06 | randyg | (another member anounced he was leaving to focus on his education... ) |
| 01:58.15 | Bor_Ed | want to translate the posting to english or do I have to take a shot on google ? |
| 02:01.21 | randyg | lol |
| 02:01.52 | randyg | I'm just showing you the type of people on the forum... I get the feeling it's not the right forum for me. |
| 02:03.32 | Bor_Ed | I can figure that... but do you want to translate the thingy to english or what (/me ain't drunk, ever..) |
| 02:04.29 | randyg | the translation is unimportant. the fact that it's completely unreadable is the important part. :P |
| 02:04.47 | randyg | I'm on a forum with wannabe AOL users! |
| 02:05.03 | Bor_Ed | shame on you |
| 02:06.05 | randyg | it's a forum for large-scale r/c cars... there's about three of us who actually build large-scale r/c cars. there's about three thousand 8 year olds whose parents bought them a big toy for christmas. |
| 02:06.50 | Bor_Ed | anyway, I have to hit the sack.. wife's taking kids again to her parents for a week or so |
| 02:07.05 | randyg | I picked up a differential and around another 20-25 pounds of aluminum yesterday. :) |
| 02:07.07 | randyg | cyas |
| 02:08.02 | randyg | they have some NICE aluminum angle there... I might go back and pick up another 20lbs of it before it's gone. |
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| 03:10.37 | cricket_ | how do i change window manageres |
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| 04:45.05 | randyg | mrrrf, shiny... 694d with all new nichicons. :) |
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| 04:57.02 | randyg | woot! 3 boards recapped, 1 to go |
| 05:07.49 | randyg | these 694d's are 22 caps/each... |
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| 05:55.26 | randyg | argh! fucking hell!! the clip on the fansink I was putting on broke, taking two unidentifyable SMT parts off the board I just spent 2 hours working on with it. |
| 05:56.37 | randyg | not bloody fair! |
| 05:59.32 | randyg | found one, can't find the other |
| 06:01.28 | randyg | did I do something wrong in a past life? Why must every single thing go wrong in my current life? |
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| 10:52.08 | lobezno | hi |
| 10:52.38 | nusse | good morning |
| 10:53.22 | lobezno | good morning |
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| 12:43.42 | Q-FUNK | http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/MacMini2.html |
| 12:44.10 | Q-FUNK | this has GOT to be the worst piece of trash I've read in a long time. |
| 12:45.17 | Bor_Ed | aww, doesn't render M$N, it can't be a decent box then... and look, no XP either :I |
| 12:46.04 | jaska | erm |
| 12:46.06 | jaska | thats a troll :) |
| 12:46.29 | Bor_Ed | can't be, writer was M$CE :D |
| 12:46.30 | Stereo | haha |
| 12:46.34 | Stereo | I scan over it and see "an equally stylish, full-featured eMachine" |
| 12:46.35 | jaska | altho i wouldnt want a macmini |
| 12:46.38 | Stereo | yhbt :) |
| 12:47.47 | Bor_Ed | I wouldn't mind having macmini |
| 12:48.09 | Bor_Ed | though I think gamecube would give better bang for the buck on cluster |
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| 12:51.23 | jaska | well, i'd take one free, but it doesnt seem too interesting of a box |
| 12:51.44 | jaska | two ethers and it could act as my home router |
| 12:51.57 | jaska | if it ran something that can use pf or ipf that is :| |
| 12:52.41 | Bor_Ed | it can run frisbee I'd think |
| 12:55.14 | Q-FUNK | I'd like one of the old G4 cubes. such a cute design. |
| 12:56.42 | Bor_Ed | wasaware.fi has at least 1 cube on sale... |
| 12:56.59 | jaska | and that weirdo has a next cube iirc |
| 12:57.03 | Bor_Ed | the dude wants ridiculous prices from the stuff though, 300 for NeXT etc |
| 12:57.07 | jaska | yeah |
| 12:57.09 | jaska | hes nuts. |
| 12:57.17 | jaska | i tried to make him sell me an old alpha once |
| 12:57.17 | Bor_Ed | couple of NeXTs actually |
| 12:57.23 | jaska | but he kept asking for ridiculous prices |
| 12:57.27 | Bor_Ed | he has alphas and suns too |
| 12:57.32 | jaska | and last i heard the 2 alphas were still there |
| 12:57.38 | Bor_Ed | (suprisinly all with univ sticker :) |
| 12:57.57 | jaska | hrm, the alphas were from vaasan sähkö or something similiar |
| 12:58.22 | Bor_Ed | only the peecees there don't have univ stickers... I just dropped by there couple of weeks back |
| 12:58.38 | jaska | also i think they ran in a vmscluster |
| 12:58.40 | Bor_Ed | and eventually had to go to geotrack with the money to get what I wanted |
| 12:58.44 | jaska | heh |
| 12:58.58 | jaska | the wasaware guys attitude makes me want to strangle him |
| 12:59.08 | Bor_Ed | harri is good at it :P |
| 12:59.21 | jaska | making me want to do that is not healthy :) |
| 12:59.27 | Bor_Ed | aww, bought this voodoo3/3000 from him... 'only' 75 eur |
| 13:00.44 | Bor_Ed | though I _needed_ gfx card since the onboard video went to lalaland |
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| 13:14.17 | grivell | Anyone get MOL TUN compiled? |
| 13:15.12 | grivell | The mol-module-sources package compiles sheep.ko, but not tun.ko :( |
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| 15:05.45 | sgeigerbot | grivell: afaik, tun has nothing to do with mol. it is something separate. In menuconfig: Device Drivers | Networking Support | Universal TUN/TAP device driver support |
| 15:05.58 | sgeigerbot | grivell: zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i tun |
| 15:14.23 | sloopy | sgeigerbot: this is a common misconception cause MOL uses the tun device |
| 15:18.32 | sgeigerbot | grivell: ^^^^^^ |
| 15:18.55 | sgeigerbot | sloopy: don't the mol docs cover that? |
| 15:20.08 | demon | why does the MOL module source package include a tun driver anyway? is it some sort of historical thing? |
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| 15:25.08 | sgeigerbot | demon: does it include one? |
| 15:25.23 | demon | the source package does, but it doesn't actually build it |
| 15:25.53 | demon | which of course is fine, since the kernel has a tun driver with it (and all packaged kernels have it included as a module) |
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| 15:32.29 | sloopy | sgeigerbot: you can lead a person to a manual, but you cant make them read it ;') |
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| 15:54.03 | grivell | ahh ok. So it's in the kernel. Yeah, mol-source has tun, but not built. |
| 15:54.45 | grivell | My brother uses Linux on the MacMini, but Flash isn't supported, so I want him to run OSX under Linux to use his flash games. |
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| 16:09.40 | e2e | Hi, i've just installed debian on a powerpc. Installation was finished succesfuly, but now it couldn't start, asks me where to start... |
| 16:10.06 | nusse | what modell? |
| 16:10.26 | e2e | nusse: G3 |
| 16:10.40 | nusse | thats your cpu. is it oldworld? |
| 16:11.25 | e2e | I think not, it's 450MHz |
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| 16:12.57 | nusse | eg powermac 7500 is a modell |
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| 16:13.15 | nusse | you have installed yaboot? what does of say? |
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| 16:14.30 | e2e | nusse: Yes, during installation, it's said "Installing yaboot boot manager" |
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| 16:17.51 | e2e | Now, i've tryed OF promt and type command: boot sd:2,yaboot but it says boot method yaboot not found |
| 16:19.30 | nusse | well, i have no yaboot experience |
| 16:19.46 | e2e | nusse: thanks... |
| 16:19.50 | nusse | have you tried boot pathtopartition? |
| 16:20.04 | sloopy | e2e: the drive is scsi? |
| 16:21.24 | sloopy | y or n? |
| 16:22.16 | e2e | sloopy: Yes |
| 16:22.53 | sloopy | B&W G3? |
| 16:23.03 | sloopy | with apple scsi card? |
| 16:23.28 | e2e | And after NVRAM now error've changed, it now gives hd:\xpi or something like that couldn't found and turns ok to 0> prompt |
| 16:23.51 | sloopy | 0> is the OF prompt |
| 16:23.56 | e2e | sloopy: it's adaptec aic7xxx |
| 16:24.13 | sloopy | the scsi card may not have OF verbs in it... |
| 16:24.24 | e2e | sloopy: Yes, i tryed boot hd:2,yaboot command for manual boot to yaboot |
| 16:24.49 | sloopy | s/verbs/words |
| 16:25.13 | sloopy | hd:/txbi is the default setting... |
| 16:25.38 | e2e | sloopy: Do i try hd:2,yaboot? |
| 16:25.52 | sloopy | you can try it... |
| 16:26.21 | sloopy | wont hurt anything (except maybe your feelings if it doesnt work ;') |
| 16:26.32 | e2e | sloopy :( |
| 16:27.00 | e2e | sloopy: So what about now, what could be the problem and how can i solve it? |
| 16:27.13 | sloopy | it is a B&W G3? |
| 16:27.40 | e2e | What does your mean with B or W |
| 16:27.50 | sloopy | Blue & White |
| 16:28.03 | sloopy | the color of the plastic |
| 16:28.11 | e2e | sloopy: Blue |
| 16:28.37 | e2e | It's 1999 model of G3 Power Mac 450 MHz |
| 16:28.54 | sloopy | yeah its a B&W G3 (that is the model name |
| 16:29.08 | sloopy | i am on a 400Mhz version of the same machine... |
| 16:29.29 | sloopy | i have a 300Mhz version to my left... |
| 16:30.15 | e2e | sloopy: So, what could be my problem? |
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| 16:30.59 | flow | hi |
| 16:31.08 | sloopy | and you put linux on the scsi drive not the ide drive? |
| 16:31.12 | flow | can anyone tell me how to get the new debian archiv key? |
| 16:31.19 | flow | i cant download with debmirror |
| 16:31.33 | aba | flow: http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_2005.asc IIRC |
| 16:31.38 | aba | (or look in the last DWN) |
| 16:32.05 | flow | yes, ive have but when i paste the key, it works not |
| 16:32.12 | sloopy | e2e: IIRC the apple scsi card that came in those machines is not linux bootable... |
| 16:32.13 | flow | some problems cant verify, blabla |
| 16:32.18 | flow | same |
| 16:33.40 | e2e | sloopy: Ok, so i'll try to find another scsi card |
| 16:33.44 | flow | in secring.pgp, right? |
| 16:34.18 | flow | and the link is dead |
| 16:34.26 | sloopy | e2e: finding a scsi card that has OF support isnt easy... better of using ide to boot yaboot... |
| 16:35.40 | flow | hu? |
| 16:35.46 | e2e | sloopy: I don't have any IDE disc at this time.. Thanks... |
| 16:36.19 | sloopy | e2e: find a dirt cheap 1gig and use it... |
| 16:36.57 | e2e | sloopy: Thanks, i'll be looking both, a SCSI card and/or an IDE disc |
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| 16:44.04 | flow | aba, how to get now my debmirror working??? :) |
| 16:45.04 | aba | flow: I don't know. I just answered your question where the new key is. |
| 16:45.39 | flow | ok |
| 17:07.03 | sgeigerbot | sloopy: My version of that saying is: "You can be dumb, but you cannot hide." |
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| 19:12.44 | fman | hey all |
| 19:12.49 | demon | why isn't there a 'kernel-headers' package for each kernel build like on x86, so that you can build kernel modules without having to set up an entire kernel tree? |
| 19:12.54 | fman | anyone able to help me compile some modules, the debian way |
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| 19:29.14 | nusse | read the howto |
| 19:29.23 | nusse | i think you have to compile a whole kernel |
| 19:30.44 | fman | yep, reading now |
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| 19:35.59 | demon | nusse: don't have to on i386... |
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| 22:15.43 | xmb_ | 400er nw imac, after a resolution switch by bzflag to 800x600, which made a black screen, it remains black.. bzflag -9 killed and the content in X are working it seems, just still black screen, control-alt-[+-] doesnt work |
| 22:15.53 | xmb_ | anyone an idea? |
| 22:16.49 | xmb_ | the X key combo might fail cause pc104/old mappings active, i think alt is MOD1 |
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| 22:21.29 | xmb_ | simonrvn, any idea if anything can fix a black screened X cause opengl resolution change to 800x600 by bzflag |
| 22:24.56 | simonrvn | quit x ;p |
| 22:25.06 | xmb_ | bg, my working env |
| 22:32.03 | xmb_ | -USR2 killed it |
| 22:33.03 | xmb_ | either after USR1 or 2 the keyboard is like dead, not switching to vt's |
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| 23:40.24 | infodroid | any idea why xmms can't play mp3's under sarge? |
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| 23:40.48 | Bor_Ed | setup correct output plugin |
| 23:41.41 | Q-FUNK | darn... rc3 is a huge patch |
| 23:41.43 | infodroid | hi bor, i'm using arts with it- is that bad? it works well under i386 |
| 23:42.33 | Bor_Ed | try oss output too, it might work |
| 23:42.47 | Bor_Ed | Q-FUNK, already rc3 ? buggr have to compile again then :I |
| 23:46.07 | Q-FUNK | yup. released today |
| 23:46.13 | Bor_Ed | hmm, no bk patches yet on that ... |
| 23:46.16 | Q-FUNK | rc2 didn't compile here |
| 23:46.25 | Bor_Ed | Linux g3 2.6.11-rc2-bk5 #1 Thu Jan 27 23:48:07 EET 2005 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 23:46.26 | grivell | infodroid: I recommend disabling artsd. |
| 23:46.36 | Bor_Ed | rc2 compiled after bk here with no probs |
| 23:46.41 | grivell | KDE's sound system in general. Use ALSA/Dmix. |
| 23:47.04 | simonrvn | infodroid: artsd SUX. it's useless with alsa/dmix |
| 23:47.06 | infodroid | grivel: you think i can just get away using kde with alsa? i never tried |
| 23:47.19 | simonrvn | of course |
| 23:47.48 | infodroid | whats the whole point of arts then if i can set default kde sound system to alsa? |
| 23:48.03 | grivell | infodroid: Here's what I did. Disable KDE sound system. Juk uses gstreamer. I prefer Rhythmbox because of SMB support though :) |
| 23:48.07 | grivell | Or use XMMS. |
| 23:48.54 | grivell | arts (the daemon) is before the days ALSA/dmix was ready. And *BSD's don't have Alsa. |
| 23:49.28 | infodroid | grivell: no i got mixed up, i can't disable arts, i'm already using alsa as the kde sound system |
| 23:50.10 | infodroid | grivell: can i switch to gstreamer in kde? |
| 23:53.17 | infodroid | whats it like switching to gstreamer |
| 23:53.18 | infodroid | ? |