| 00:02.54 | Sam-I-Am | moo. |
| 00:04.56 | randyg | Sam-I-Am: furry? :P |
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| 00:05.14 | Sam-I-Am | randyg: cows are not terribly furry. |
| 00:05.19 | Sam-I-Am | they are trendy |
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| 00:11.46 | randyg | hrmm. I just installed 2.6.10 on my new box (using the same .config as another box of mine with near-identical hardware), and it boots perfectly until about half way through starting all the daemons, and the screen blanks and doesn't come back. box is still running, just with no video. |
| 00:13.49 | randyg | nothing odd in any of the logs |
| 00:17.11 | Sam-I-Am | weird |
| 00:17.23 | Sam-I-Am | any FB drivers loading around then? |
| 00:33.50 | randyg | something about console font |
| 00:34.00 | randyg | just before the screen blanks and I can't read anything |
| 00:34.03 | randyg | not in the logs |
| 00:36.50 | Sam-I-Am | interesting |
| 00:37.28 | Sam-I-Am | reconfig console font? |
| 00:38.09 | randyg | I never configged a console font... one would hope the debian defaults don't cause screen blankage. :) |
| 00:38.23 | randyg | I'm going to try a better video card... have a crappy one in there now. |
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| 00:39.41 | Sam-I-Am | randyg: good point |
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| 00:56.34 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: should we add something about the ALSA bounty in topic? |
| 00:56.45 | simonrvn | sure |
| 00:56.59 | simonrvn | stick it in a tinyurl thingy |
| 00:57.28 | Q-FUNK | humm... how? |
| 00:59.39 | simonrvn | go to tinyurl.com, enter it, then we'll add that to the /topic |
| 01:00.11 | Sam-I-Am | alsa bounty? |
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| 01:10.39 | simonrvn | someone posted a bounty on snd_powermac to get it properly fixed |
| 01:11.18 | simonrvn | 'cause the person assigned to Q-FUNK's bug report doesn't even have ppc hardware, and it doesn't work at all on certain machines |
| 01:12.54 | Sam-I-Am | haha |
| 01:18.19 | simonrvn | ah, ok |
| 01:18.50 | dj-death | I reported another bug on the snd_powermac driver which is assigned to the same person |
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| 01:20.25 | *** topic/#debianppc by simonrvn -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC - vers.: 2.6.10 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | New (2003+) PowerMacs with XFS HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2s2os | iBook G4 HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2488m | New penguinppc.org live! | http://funroll-loops.org/ | pasting? /whois paster | <bob2> gerbils are three-edged swords | snd_powermac bounty: http://tinyurl.c |
| 01:20.31 | simonrvn | grr |
| 01:20.41 | *** topic/#debianppc by simonrvn -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC - vers.: 2.6.10 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | New (2003+) PowerMacs with XFS HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2s2os | iBook G4 HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2488m | New penguinppc.org live! | http://funroll-loops.org/ | pasting? /whois paster | <bob2> gerbils are three-edged swords | ALSA PPC bounty: http://tinyurl.com/3 |
| 01:20.50 | *** topic/#debianppc by simonrvn -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC - vers.: 2.6.10 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | New (2003+) PowerMacs with XFS HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2s2os | iBook G4 HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2488m | New penguinppc.org live! | http://funroll-loops.org/ | pasting? /whois paster | <bob2> gerbils are three-edged swords | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/3p4nm |
| 01:21.00 | simonrvn | *just* fits |
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| 01:23.34 | simonrvn | @kernel |
| 01:24.24 | Q-FUNK | http://sowerbutts.com/linux-mac-mini/ |
| 01:24.29 | Q-FUNK | pretty nice article |
| 01:26.07 | randyg | how good of a card is a geforce 256? |
| 01:26.41 | Curalton | uh, earliest geforce generation |
| 01:26.47 | Curalton | just after the riva iirc |
| 01:27.11 | randyg | will it work better than the ati rage pro card I have in there now? :) |
| 01:27.16 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: thanks ;) |
| 01:27.22 | simonrvn | :) |
| 01:28.47 | Curalton | rage card... first compaq 90 or so mhz had that card |
| 01:29.01 | Curalton | no idea tbh. i just know neither will run ut2k4 ;) |
| 01:30.16 | randyg | I'm having some odd problem with the rage pro card blanking when console fonts are loaded... want to try a new card, but want one with at least marginal support. |
| 01:31.05 | Curalton | iirc the nv oss driver is not as good as the ati one, since nvidia is hardly releasing specs |
| 01:34.56 | simonrvn | GTG, getting some supplies |
| 01:35.24 | Sam-I-Am | i should eat |
| 01:37.53 | randyg | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40161&item=5160789745&rd=1 <== I've got one of those, but without the DVI plug or DDR ram... |
| 01:51.03 | randyg | hrmm, I also have a voodoo3 card... sec, trying that one. |
| 02:15.53 | randyg | gah! found why the video is blanking. |
| 02:16.04 | randyg | It's switching to the wrong video card |
| 02:16.18 | randyg | perfect video out on the secondary pci card... |
| 02:19.43 | simonrvn | re |
| 02:21.04 | randyg | wb |
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| 02:23.48 | randyg | got it working... 3d performance on the voodoo3 is beyond pathetic. |
| 02:23.59 | randyg | obviously not accelerated. blah. |
| 02:28.39 | randyg | "3D acceleration for Banshee and Voodoo3 is only supported in the 16 bit/pixel screen mode." blah |
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| 02:38.59 | randyg | although distcc has made kernel compiles pleasently faster, with both dual-cpu boxes working on it. :) |
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| 02:51.54 | randyg | are there _any_ cards with working 3d acceleration that doesn't taint the kernel? |
| 02:58.01 | chrisa | My radeon 9200 runs nicely without taint |
| 02:59.31 | randyg | with 3d acceleration? |
| 03:00.21 | randyg | I know the 9700 is unaccelerated, or at least it was when I tried... |
| 03:00.22 | pahartik | randyg: ATI Radeon M9+ on iBook G4... though i only have used "glxgears" |
| 03:00.32 | chrisa | M9? They're 9200s last I checked |
| 03:03.47 | pahartik | chrisa: yes... "ATI Technologies Inc RV250 5c63 [Radeon Mobility 9200 M9+]" |
| 03:04.17 | chrisa | Aren't I the observant one |
| 03:06.46 | pahartik | randyg: it says "648.400 FPS" |
| 03:08.05 | pahartik | randyg: not sure if switching CPU to full speed would change that |
| 03:09.45 | pahartik | randyg: most probably not, since CPU load is only 35% while it runs |
| 03:10.13 | randyg | what driver are you using? and isn't 648fps a little low for glxgears on a card like that? |
| 03:10.50 | randyg | my crappy nvidia card gets 1362 fps... |
| 03:11.21 | randyg | and it's using 100% cpu to do so |
| 03:11.55 | randyg | "Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"." and that's not using DRI... |
| 03:12.18 | pahartik | randyg: i would not buy NVidia graphics adapter since it would force me to stick to MacOS X |
| 03:13.28 | randyg | heh. on x86, we can use them, just we get a tainted kernel... |
| 03:13.58 | randyg | bbl, food |
| 03:14.08 | chrisa | These are also integrated cards using DRI drivers |
| 03:14.21 | chrisa | It's not going to top a binary driver and addon |
| 03:14.22 | pahartik | randyg: not that i would not like MacOS X, it is just that i prefer to have choice |
| 03:14.47 | chrisa | son of a, my panther disc 1 is missing |
| 03:15.06 | chrisa | So, who has an iso handy ;) |
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| 03:22.34 | Mestapheles | got disconnected |
| 03:22.37 | Mestapheles | hi, say can one use a kernel such as the one's fedora has supporting deep sleep and just use it with debian? |
| 03:23.49 | pahartik | Mestapheles: i suppose it would be easiest to get source of it and build Debian kernel package |
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| 03:46.45 | Bizarro_paco | hi everyone |
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| 05:56.53 | xbaez | where can i found mplayer for ppc ? |
| 05:57.46 | pahartik | xbaez: http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/MPlayer-1.0pre6a.tar.bz2 |
| 06:02.03 | pahartik | xbaez: you get it, extract it, run "fakeroot debian/rules binary" in "MPlayer-1.0pre6a/" |
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| 06:07.53 | xbaez | pahartik, thanks |
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| 06:37.35 | Bor_Ed | MPlayer 1.0pre6-3.3.5 looks to be latest apt-get'able |
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| 09:52.23 | r3dw0rm | can anyone tell me if there is anything special I need to do to use the valkyrie frame buffer with Xfree86 or should fbdev work just fine? |
| 09:55.50 | simonrvn | should work |
| 09:56.01 | r3dw0rm | hmmm |
| 09:56.03 | simonrvn | actually it's your only option ;) |
| 09:56.12 | r3dw0rm | the problem must be elsewhere then |
| 09:56.34 | r3dw0rm | yeah I noticed that it was the only one heh |
| 09:56.51 | r3dw0rm | this old powermac is really bein a pain about X |
| 10:01.32 | r3dw0rm | does fbdev use fb0 by default? |
| 10:04.13 | simonrvn | fb0 is the first one used... if there's a second one, it's called fb1.. etc. |
| 10:04.56 | r3dw0rm | yeah I just looked at the X logs looks like fbdev is not the issue |
| 10:04.58 | r3dw0rm | thanks |
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| 18:40.11 | setdisdouz | Hi |
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| 18:40.38 | setdisdouz | Did anybody installed Debian on a iBook G3 800 ? |
| 18:41.06 | ioops | hi |
| 18:45.15 | Curalton | setdisdouz: ibook g3 700, not a big deal |
| 18:45.37 | setdisdouz | Cura > W/ or W/o dual boot ? |
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| 18:55.30 | Curalton | setdisdouz: ah, Cura == Curalton, sorry. yes, os x, debian dualboot. no problem with yaboot |
| 18:56.36 | setdisdouz | So here's another question about my partition map... |
| 18:57.47 | setdisdouz | I'd like to know what the little 128MB free partition preceding my two HFS+ partitions are for ? |
| 18:57.47 | Curalton | i went after this howto http://people.debian.org/~branden/ibook.html |
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| 19:08.50 | randyg | god... even the register has started posting mindless dribble. apparently the fact that a school computer had porn on it was a serious risk to students. |
| 19:09.21 | Petro | randyg: oh my... those poor children must be traumatized |
| 19:10.02 | randyg | I'm reminded of the people who said "My child saw a nipple on TV and now she's traumatized for life!" |
| 19:10.31 | Petro | theonion.com |
| 19:10.51 | randyg | heh |
| 19:11.52 | randyg | just what are they thinking? how is it a "risk to pupils" to have porn on a school computer? a risk implies it would somehow hurt them. |
| 19:14.00 | BeTa | is there any way to set up the keyboard backlight on a PB G4 Alu ? |
| 19:14.15 | Petro | randyg: well yes the harddrive may be defiled and decide to relent it's soul to the devil, causing an enormous explosion |
| 19:14.15 | BeTa | I've read things on ubuntu forums... but it doesn't seems to work here |
| 19:14.17 | BeTa | :c/ |
| 19:14.38 | randyg | Even if a student was poking around the hard drive and found it, I fail to see how it would hurt the student. And, as such, NOT WORTHY OF A THOUSANDS-OF-POUNDS INVESTIGATION. god. Spend the money doing something useful, like educating. |
| 19:16.20 | randyg | schools are constantly saying they're underfunded... so why blow ridiculus sums of money on paying a firm for a forensic analysis of the computers? |
| 19:17.20 | grivell | randyg: Porn hurts. If you yank hard enough. |
| 19:17.34 | randyg | lol |
| 19:18.49 | setdisdouz | So no fdisk expert here ? |
| 19:19.21 | randyg | porn on school computers is nothing new. delete it and move on. hiring a forensic analysis firm for a huge sum of money is not the correct response. |
| 19:23.30 | Piru | nah, burn a cd, THEN delete it. |
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| 19:49.01 | palmax | Hello |
| 19:49.21 | palmax | I need help to install GNU/Debian in a PPC |
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| 19:49.28 | palmax | is it like a PC? |
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| 19:50.55 | palmax | hello? |
| 19:51.39 | jk3 | hello palmax |
| 19:51.44 | palmax | Hello jk3 |
| 19:52.19 | jk3 | palmax: no, it's not like PC, its more powerpc ;-) |
| 19:52.39 | jk3 | palmax: if you take a more recent sarge installer it shouldn't be too hard |
| 19:52.52 | palmax | :D |
| 19:53.00 | palmax | ok |
| 19:53.07 | palmax | I dont know nothing of PPC |
| 19:53.10 | jk3 | palmax: what kind of mac do you have? |
| 19:53.21 | palmax | and I want to install it in my brother's MAC |
| 19:53.52 | jk3 | palmax: iMac? Powerbook? ... |
| 19:54.07 | palmax | its an very old machine |
| 19:54.52 | jk3 | how old? do you know if it's a New or OldWorld Mac? |
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| 19:55.58 | palmax | jk3 i think that its micro run near 350 MHZ |
| 19:56.04 | palmax | It dont have CD buster |
| 19:56.07 | palmax | only reader |
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| 19:57.05 | palmax | what do you think? |
| 19:57.07 | SigmaX | I've having troubles with X & Woody on a PM 7200. |
| 19:58.21 | palmax | what? |
| 19:58.31 | palmax | what is your problem? |
| 19:59.28 | SigmaX | palmax: who? |
| 19:59.29 | jk3 | palmax: try! you can also use boot floppies. make sure you backup important stuff before you begin |
| 19:59.53 | palmax | ok |
| 20:00.03 | jk3 | SigmaX: what does the log say? |
| 20:00.03 | palmax | jk3 Im using GNU/Debian testing |
| 20:00.13 | palmax | and a GNU/Gentoo |
| 20:00.35 | palmax | I think that PPC, cant be so difficult |
| 20:00.36 | palmax | :D |
| 20:00.38 | jk3 | palmax: don't say the last one so loud here... |
| 20:00.52 | SigmaX | Knight: They've been having troubles lately. I don't know about right now though. |
| 20:01.31 | SigmaX | jk3: what, got some anti-ppc x86 zealots here or somethin'? :-P |
| 20:02.44 | palmax | what? |
| 20:02.51 | palmax | why do you say it jk3? |
| 20:02.57 | jk3 | SigmaX: don't know really... this is more of a quiet channel :-) |
| 20:03.18 | jk3 | palmax: why do I say what? |
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| 20:04.35 | palmax | dont say the last one so loud here <-? |
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| 20:06.55 | jk3 | palmax: I meant Gentoo. It's not so popular |
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| 20:07.23 | palmax | jk3, Gentoo is my favorite distro |
| 20:07.34 | palmax | but i cant install it in the mac |
| 20:08.01 | jk3 | palmax: but I wasn't very serious. You may pretty much use what you want. For me, gentoo would't be right |
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| 20:08.43 | SigmaX | for me it's Debian... if only because it's the only thing that works right on my old-world powermacs :-P |
| 20:08.55 | palmax | jk3: i think that the purpuse of the OS -> you need this distro or other distro |
| 20:09.03 | jk3 | palmax: what's the problem? did you check the gentoo forums? they're very supportive |
| 20:09.45 | palmax | yes i think, but i want to install debian in the PPC |
| 20:10.20 | jk3 | palmax: good choice |
| 20:10.44 | jk3 | SigmaX: what is your X problem? maybe someone can help... |
| 20:11.29 | SigmaX | Well, I have a really old PowerMac @ 90MHz. I'm using the FBDev driver, as it's what worked with my similar PM and the samemonitor. |
| 20:11.46 | SigmaX | But 'startx' gives me the error: AddScreen/SreenInit failed for driver 0 |
| 20:12.01 | SigmaX | I've never seen this before, and haven't a clue what to do. :-| |
| 20:12.11 | palmax | SigmaX: you need to edit XF86Config |
| 20:12.20 | jk3 | what did you put as driver in your X config? |
| 20:12.37 | SigmaX | I used dpkg-reconfigure fo rmy x config... I'll check... |
| 20:13.20 | SigmaX | jk3: fbdev |
| 20:14.11 | SigmaX | I have the same setup on my 7300 with SID (System in question is 7200). I tried swapping monitors to no avail. |
| 20:15.13 | SigmaX | Oh, another point to be noted. 'startx' also returns "FBIO_VSCRENINFO: Invalid Arguement |
| 20:16.01 | palmax | I have to go |
| 20:16.03 | palmax | thx jk3 |
| 20:16.06 | palmax | Bye! |
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| 20:16.40 | jk3 | SigmaX: are you using prepacked debian kernels? If so, compare the "lsmod" output with your working machine, maybe some fb module needs to be loaded |
| 20:17.43 | jk3 | SigmaX: maybe write to the list. debian-powerpc. they're much more active than this channel |
| 20:18.15 | SigmaX | yeah, I plan on it later if I can't figure it out |
| 20:18.23 | jk3 | I've never touched an oldworld, I can't help you out |
| 20:19.04 | SigmaX | well I g2 get to work, tata |
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| 23:28.18 | setdisdouz | Same question again : does anybody knows anything about partitions ? |
| 23:29.24 | Piru | with such a vague question, probably not |
| 23:48.50 | setdisdouz | So, here we go more precisely, then |
| 23:49.14 | setdisdouz | What are the 128MB partitions before my HFS+ partitions for ? |
| 23:50.59 | setdisdouz | Because Mandrake has split one of them in two part - a 1MB boot partitions, and a 127MB swap partitions |
| 23:51.49 | setdisdouz | As I intend to install a Debian instead, I was wondering if I should re-partition my disk |
| 23:54.53 | Piru | beats me, I'm no mockos expert :\ |
| 23:58.08 | setdisdouz | Well, don't mind, I think I'll just repartition it from scratch - only a emergency/important files back-up/linux disk |
| 23:59.03 | setdisdouz | Just a few thing to copy back and it'll be cleaned up - with linux partition first, this timee |
| 23:59.13 | setdisdouz | thanks |