| 00:00.23 | KB1FYR | "Package msttcorefonts is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source" |
| 00:00.40 | KB1FYR | What mirror did you get it from Piru? |
| 00:01.16 | KB1FYR | Oh, I just dl'd the file, lemme try it now.. |
| 00:04.35 | KB1FYR | whee, all I had to do was get cabextract |
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| 00:05.20 | Piru | yeah. for extracting the fonts |
| 00:05.23 | Piru | blah |
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| 00:17.29 | KB1FYR | GNOME is set to use the OSS for audio, but it doesn't work. gAIM works when I tell it to use ESD. How do I get gnome to default to ESD? |
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| 00:25.26 | r0sk | Hi ppl |
| 00:25.52 | r0sk | how can I see the battery level on kde (iBook G4 using /dev/pmu) |
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| 00:40.31 | r0sk | How can I set AltGr on X? |
| 00:40.35 | r0sk | (iBook) |
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| 00:44.50 | KB1FYR | How do I get arts to work in GNOME? |
| 00:45.02 | KB1FYR | it works in KDE |
| 00:45.29 | KB1FYR | in the gnome media selector, there are fields to select different sound daemons and such, but arts is not one of them |
| 00:45.46 | KB1FYR | I can choose "custom", but I don't know what to put in the text field |
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| 01:06.37 | KB1FYR | hi |
| 01:08.09 | Curalton | KB1FYR: type `which artsd` |
| 01:08.17 | Curalton | that should probably go under "custom" |
| 01:08.25 | KB1FYR | ok |
| 01:10.17 | KB1FYR | hmm |
| 01:10.22 | KB1FYR | still fails :-/ |
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| 01:33.14 | strat50s | hi |
| 01:34.14 | nusse | ho |
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| 03:34.36 | KB1FYR | anyone here? |
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| 04:10.35 | randyg | mmm, blackmail... fixing someone's windoze pc. contains beastility porn. probably explains why he was so insistant I wipe the drive before reinstalling windoze, eh? |
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| 04:25.43 | KB1FYR | o.o |
| 04:27.33 | randyg | aka when I'm short cash. :P |
| 04:27.41 | KB1FYR | haha |
| 04:28.14 | randyg | it's only a 6gb drive, and gzip does wonders for making it smaller. |
| 04:28.41 | randyg | actually, I'm really not sure he wants to delete all of it... has a bunch of documents, homework, vacation photos, etc. |
| 04:29.19 | randyg | I figure a 50% chance before next week he'll call up with "umm... I know I told you I wanted the drive wiped, but, umm... I had some docuemtns on there I needed... can you.. like... unformat it?" |
| 04:29.43 | KB1FYR | haha |
| 04:30.39 | randyg | then I answer "yep, sure, drop it back off here", untar the backup, and get hearalded as a miracle worker for restoring overwritten data. :P |
| 04:30.41 | KB1FYR | tell him you can, but you have to do it bit by bit with a magnifying glass and a pen and paper, so he'll owe a lot of money |
| 04:30.50 | KB1FYR | hehe |
| 04:31.41 | randyg | my favorite are people who sell computers without even deleting files, much less a secure erase... |
| 04:32.09 | KB1FYR | yeah |
| 04:32.14 | randyg | when I bought my laptop, the hard drive was filled with recordings of phone conversations of its previous owner, a medical lawyer, with his clients. |
| 04:32.36 | KB1FYR | I got a computer from some graphic designer that had a whole bunch of porn and a lot of personal letters and schoolwork |
| 04:32.43 | KB1FYR | haha |
| 04:32.44 | KB1FYR | wow |
| 04:32.52 | randyg | when I bought my p3-866, the hard drive had records, emails, memos, documents, etc, from the real estate office the guy worked for |
| 04:33.06 | KB1FYR | o.o |
| 04:33.11 | randyg | a spreadsheet of names, addresses, loan payments, etc. |
| 04:33.26 | KB1FYR | heh |
| 04:33.51 | KB1FYR | what's really fun is picking up HDs at the dump |
| 04:33.59 | randyg | when I bought an oooold mac laptop, it was filled with underage porn... and plenty of information identifying the previous owner. |
| 04:34.14 | KB1FYR | ewww, and hahaha |
| 04:34.35 | KB1FYR | Chris so it irridium.. |
| 04:34.35 | KB1FYR | Chris bbiab |
| 04:34.35 | KB1FYR | kalenedrael well, this whole project was going to involve $$$$$$$$$$$$ |
| 04:34.35 | KB1FYR | Alex bye chris |
| 04:34.35 | KB1FYR | kalenedrael i don't like iridium |
| 04:34.36 | KB1FYR | kalenedrael brb |
| 04:34.39 | KB1FYR | d'oh |
| 04:34.54 | randyg | the 6gb laptop drive I bought a while ago for my laptop came loaded with mp3s, homework, etc |
| 04:35.00 | KB1FYR | http://media.ebaumsworld.com/retro.wmv |
| 04:35.05 | KB1FYR | funny video :P |
| 04:35.24 | KB1FYR | sometimes it's nice to get someone's music library |
| 04:35.33 | KB1FYR | it can save you a bit of dl'ing |
| 04:35.36 | randyg | I can't remember the rest, but I have NEVER bought a blank hard drive. Every single drive, computer, etc I've ever bought contained exactly what it did when the seller used it. |
| 04:35.50 | KB1FYR | heh |
| 04:35.58 | randyg | was all crap. rap music is about the same usefulness as a sharp stick in the eye... |
| 04:36.58 | randyg | "black whole anally pounded.mpg" is taking too much disk space. I should have told tar to skip mpg files. But I don't think busybox tar supports any advanced tar options... |
| 04:37.21 | KB1FYR | O.O |
| 04:42.48 | randyg | "Stephanie Swift 2.mpg" is also quite large... heh. interesting coincidence. somewhere in my toy box I have a stephanie swift branded strapon. :) |
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| 08:51.08 | Faustus | anyone know if Herrenschmidt has the ati radeon 9200 deep sleep done? Or is there still dev to be done? |
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| 09:23.30 | r0sk | Hi |
| 09:24.40 | r0sk | Anyone knows if suspend-ram benh patch is running on 2.6.10 (iBook)? |
| 09:25.31 | simonrvn | no. see the mailing list |
| 09:25.44 | r0sk | what mailing list? |
| 09:25.53 | simonrvn | debian-powerpc |
| 09:26.10 | r0sk | ok |
| 09:26.21 | r0sk | thanks simonrvn |
| 09:26.45 | r0sk | simonrvn: u know any usb.wifi running on linux (iBook too)? |
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| 09:27.18 | simonrvn | what? as in what's supported? |
| 09:27.48 | simonrvn | no idea, but most are |
| 09:28.27 | r0sk | I've one, but patchs are only for 2.6.10, so I've to choose: wifi vs suspend :D |
| 09:29.13 | simonrvn | i'd pick wifi, and just do what normal people do, and put the thing to sleep |
| 09:33.54 | Faustus | night |
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| 10:35.36 | ukh | oddball question that I cannot find an FAQ answer to: is it possible to boot, run and install Debian or Darwin on disks on FireWire as opposed to IDE? (Yeah, I know it'd be extremely slow.) |
| 10:38.35 | ukh | (Basically I don't want to wipe my IDE disk in my iBook laptop, but I could live with an external FireWire disk.) |
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| 10:40.11 | DelTree | you will have to store kernel and initrd on your IDE drive... but that can be in some mac data partition... |
| 10:41.30 | ukh | basically, is it possible to boot anything off a FireWire disk? I guess it really comes down to if the firmware supports it at all for starters |
| 10:45.15 | DelTree | mmmh... I did not even consider the case when the openfirmware would be able to read the kernel and initrd from the firewire drive... |
| 10:46.16 | ukh | (of course, since it's going to be ugly, I suppose I could always do the ugly hack of storing kernel and initrd on a CD-RW.) |
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| 10:47.29 | DelTree | more simply you could store it on some Linux directory on your mac disk... |
| 10:49.42 | ukh | What I'd really like to do is of course to install my Other Proprietary OS on the FireWire disk and wipe the IDE disk for Debian exclusive use. But then I have to be able to boot from FireWire, right? |
| 10:51.56 | DelTree | the best would be to re-install MacOS X on only part of the IDE disk and then install Linux on the other part and have the FireWire disk for data... |
| 10:54.53 | ukh | True... |
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| 13:13.58 | MrWise | to install debian on a oldworld ppc I just download the main debian dist. correct? |
| 13:14.02 | MrWise | o_O |
| 13:19.14 | MrWise | err... no I dont... |
| 13:19.24 | MrWise | nvm,,, |
| 13:32.32 | gargamel | where can i find ppc sources for my apt source list? |
| 13:32.55 | DelTree | ? |
| 13:33.16 | DelTree | on any debian mirror... |
| 13:33.50 | gargamel | on the debian mirros, i now that but i search somthing where i can copy paste ;-) it form a source.list file |
| 13:35.02 | aba | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian sarge main |
| 13:40.24 | KB1FYR|AFK | Has anyone here gotten alsa to work on a beige G3? |
| 13:40.55 | Bor_Ed | alsa? works here according to lsmod |
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| 13:52.00 | gargamel | does the deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian sarge main works with ppc |
| 13:52.01 | gargamel | ?? |
| 13:53.32 | pahartik | gargamel: "deb ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ sarge main" has worked fine for my "apt-get" and "aptitude" |
| 13:56.59 | pahartik | gargamel: plenty of public Debian archive mirrors listed at "http://www.debian.org/mirror/list" |
| 14:03.53 | gargamel | ok thanks other question how can i change the keymap on the mac device. I tried with loadkeys bla but it didn't work to i have an other possibility?? |
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| 14:30.03 | gargamel | how can i write the folowing caracters on a ibook "{}" or "[]" ??? |
| 14:34.16 | bender-RW- | gargamel: it involves some xmodmap magic to map a key to alt-gr |
| 14:34.36 | gargamel | could you please tell me how that i can do that? |
| 14:35.11 | bender-RW- | sorry, not right now, only later this evening (left my ibook at home) |
| 14:36.04 | bender-RW- | ek, evening depending on your timezone, in my case in 3 to 4 hours :) |
| 14:36.24 | gargamel | ok this would be fine ;-) |
| 14:38.42 | pahartik | gargamel: i have "xmodmap -e 'keycode 108 = Mode_switch' &" for turning <number pad enter> to <AltGr> in my "~/.xsession.common" |
| 14:40.12 | pahartik | gargamel: that is for finnish keyboard on iBook G4, others can use "xev" to figure out keycodes |
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| 17:40.29 | sxpert-carpc | nusse: ok. got myself some floppies, and it works this time. |
| 17:40.32 | KB1FYR | ack, gaim sound doesn't work |
| 17:40.41 | KB1FYR | it just makes white noise |
| 17:40.55 | KB1FYR | Does anyone know how to fix that? |
| 17:43.45 | sxpert-carpc | is there a list of drivers I should load on a 8600 ? |
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| 17:49.50 | nusse | sxpert-carpc: humn, you dont need much |
| 17:50.55 | sxpert-carpc | nusse: now, question... it's installing debian stale (woody). does sarge works yet ? |
| 17:51.14 | nusse | sxpert-carpc: it does |
| 17:51.33 | sxpert-carpc | how can I upgrade once it's somewhat functionnal ? |
| 17:51.51 | bender-rw | stale - now thats a fitting typo ;) |
| 17:52.10 | KB1FYR | hehe |
| 17:52.14 | nusse | bender makes me said:( was the hostname of my 7500 which is dead |
| 17:52.41 | KB1FYR | Let us have a moment of silence for Bender. |
| 17:52.45 | bender-rw | i'm sorry for your loss :( |
| 17:52.50 | sxpert-carpc | bender-rw: that's keith packard's way of describing "debian stable" |
| 17:54.29 | bender-rw | its a two-edged sword - on the one hand i'd like to have a new stable, on the other hand i dread the day woody security support goes away |
| 17:54.44 | KB1FYR | is there a file to edit that would allow me to edit the contents of the gnome "applications" menu? |
| 17:55.07 | KB1FYR | right click - properties for any of the items makes them disappear |
| 17:55.14 | sxpert-carpc | bender-rw: thing is... running kernel 2.2 is somewhat, erh... |
| 17:55.19 | KB1FYR | and I can't add anything, it makes no effect |
| 17:55.48 | bender-rw | sxpert-carpc: thats what backports.org is for :) |
| 17:56.01 | sxpert-carpc | bender-rw: erh ... |
| 17:56.40 | nusse | sxpert-carpc: have a look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:56.43 | KB1FYR | More specifically, I want to edit the contents of the "Internet" menu in the applications menu |
| 17:57.01 | sxpert-carpc | nusse: not there yet |
| 17:57.14 | nusse | sxpert-carpc: hm? im sure it is |
| 17:57.21 | sxpert-carpc | currently downloading some .deb files... |
| 17:57.37 | sxpert-carpc | libc6_2.2.5 ... |
| 17:58.10 | sxpert-carpc | gah, this is a rather slow mirror :( |
| 17:59.07 | nusse | sxpert-carpc: youre installing atm? |
| 17:59.45 | sxpert-carpc | yeah |
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| 18:22.35 | sxpert-carpc | nusse: ok. linux is installed and the mac reboots properly |
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| 18:31.53 | sxpert-carpc | hmmm, non-us.debian.org is broken |
| 18:32.25 | al_ | security too |
| 18:32.44 | sxpert-carpc | hmm, of course |
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| 18:36.39 | sxpert-carpc | al_: security works here |
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| 18:38.49 | Bor_Ed | non-us just got up |
| 18:43.07 | KB1FYR | "/dev/oss is in use by another program" |
| 18:43.18 | KB1FYR | How do I make it so I have multiple audio channels? |
| 18:43.38 | KB1FYR | I don't want to have to quit everything just to listen to an mp3 |
| 18:43.49 | sxpert-carpc | KB1FYR: use alsa / dmix ? |
| 18:44.13 | KB1FYR | alsa doesn't want to work on my beige g3 |
| 18:44.22 | KB1FYR | it says there are no devices that it can use |
| 18:44.24 | KB1FYR | dmix? |
| 18:44.25 | KB1FYR | hmm |
| 18:48.27 | bender-rw | or esd, or arts |
| 18:49.41 | KB1FYR | ESD works with gaim, but how do I set it to be used globally? |
| 18:50.36 | bender-rw | dunno, i'm not much of a gnome user |
| 18:50.41 | bender-rw | but i guess xmms can use esd |
| 18:50.47 | KB1FYR | hmm |
| 18:52.59 | nusse | alsa can mix sound? |
| 18:53.07 | sxpert-carpc | nusse: yes |
| 18:54.00 | KB1FYR | judging by the ALSA bounty, ALSA isn't fully supported |
| 18:54.04 | KB1FYR | right? |
| 18:54.08 | nusse | sxpert-carpc: how? |
| 18:54.11 | KB1FYR | or can I get it to work on my G3? |
| 18:54.30 | nusse | KB1FYR: should work, depends on your soundcard |
| 18:54.45 | KB1FYR | I have built in sound, it doesn't work |
| 18:54.51 | KB1FYR | ALSA can't find a usable device |
| 18:55.00 | sxpert-carpc | nusse: the driver in fact allows, with proper config, multiple virtual sound interfaces. it software mixes and then plays the mix. a la macosX |
| 18:55.20 | nusse | KB1FYR: you habe to compile the right alsa sound modules in your kernel |
| 18:55.27 | KB1FYR | oh |
| 18:55.32 | KB1FYR | where/how? |
| 18:55.53 | KB1FYR | I have the dmasound module |
| 18:56.02 | nusse | sxpert-carpc: wow, i didnt know this. i heard about it years ago, but as it never worked out-of-the-box i thought it wasnt try |
| 18:56.06 | KB1FYR | or card, or whatever you want to call it |
| 18:56.55 | KB1FYR | nusse, I have kernel version 2.4, so it could probably be updated... |
| 18:57.03 | KB1FYR | how do I update the kernel? |
| 18:57.20 | KB1FYR | and how do I compile the alsa sound module in the kernel? |
| 18:57.36 | nusse | KB1FYR: i think you want 2.6 if you want to use alsa |
| 18:57.38 | KB1FYR | or should 2.4 be fine |
| 18:57.41 | KB1FYR | ohh |
| 18:57.51 | KB1FYR | How do I upgrade the kernel then? |
| 18:58.05 | nusse | KB1FYR: apt-get install kernel-image-blaa |
| 18:58.12 | KB1FYR | ok |
| 18:58.14 | nusse | KB1FYR: or you use esd/etc |
| 18:58.26 | nusse | kernel updating is not that easy if you dont know |
| 18:58.27 | KB1FYR | huh? |
| 18:58.30 | sxpert-carpc | esd is broken by design though |
| 18:58.31 | KB1FYR | oh |
| 18:58.37 | KB1FYR | I don't know how :-/ |
| 18:58.48 | nusse | yeah, esd is crap |
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| 18:59.43 | sxpert-carpc | gah, installing desktop installed kde... how do I remove it ? |
| 18:59.58 | nusse | apt-get remove kde :) |
| 19:00.06 | sxpert-carpc | ok |
| 19:00.10 | nusse | dont use tasksel:) |
| 19:00.18 | nusse | it wont remove all the depencies |
| 19:00.23 | sxpert-carpc | too late |
| 19:00.44 | sxpert-carpc | I shouldn't have used tasksel to install things then ? |
| 19:01.17 | nusse | well, tasksel install very much, perhaps good for beginners. |
| 19:02.39 | sxpert-carpc | ah, I see |
| 19:03.07 | nusse | read some apt howto |
| 19:04.47 | KB1FYR | Where do I get the dmasound module? |
| 19:05.05 | nusse | oss should be already in your kernel |
| 19:05.27 | KB1FYR | oh |
| 19:05.30 | KB1FYR | yeah it is |
| 19:06.09 | KB1FYR | I'm really confused with all this stuff, I don't know what I'm doing or what any of that sound stuff is... |
| 19:06.50 | nusse | its easier to live w/o soundmixing:) |
| 19:06.51 | KB1FYR | How do I configure OSS or ALSA or whatever to make it so gaim, totem, xmms, music player, etc can all play at once? |
| 19:08.50 | nusse | sxpert-carpc: is artsd better than esd, or what should KB1FYR use? |
| 19:09.08 | bender-rw | KB1FYR: you've got it backwards - you have to setup your applications to use a wrapper |
| 19:09.17 | bender-rw | KB1FYR: which then uses alsa or oss |
| 19:09.23 | sxpert-carpc | nusse: erh. none of those are really useable. |
| 19:09.30 | KB1FYR | Can you help me do that bender? |
| 19:09.44 | sxpert-carpc | nusse: jack may be a good thing to use. but it's far from easy |
| 19:10.51 | nusse | mh |
| 19:11.04 | nusse | i have no experience with all that, except of some bad with esd |
| 19:11.30 | bender-rw | KB1FYR: are you using gnome or kde or something else as your primary desktop? |
| 19:11.36 | KB1FYR | gnome |
| 19:12.06 | KB1FYR | I'm using gnome on a beige g3 with 533MHz G4 zif card |
| 19:12.33 | KB1FYR | with the audio personality card |
| 19:12.46 | bender-rw | and woody or sarge or... ? |
| 19:13.04 | KB1FYR | erm |
| 19:13.17 | KB1FYR | newb question: how do I tell? |
| 19:13.37 | bender-rw | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.10 | KB1FYR | 3.1 |
| 19:14.19 | bender-rw | ok, thats sarge aka testing |
| 19:14.26 | KB1FYR | ok |
| 19:14.40 | bender-rw | as in the version thats going to be the next stable release |
| 19:15.03 | KB1FYR | "stale" release :P |
| 19:15.16 | bender-rw | :-) |
| 19:15.19 | nusse | yeah, just before hurd gets released |
| 19:16.44 | sxpert-carpc | nusse: this mac has a video in / out pack of plugs in the back. is |
| 19:16.52 | sxpert-carpc | is it supported in any way ? |
| 19:19.17 | KB1FYR | So bender-rw, will you be able to help me? |
| 19:19.39 | bender-rw | i hope so, but i have to look at it first on my system |
| 19:19.44 | bender-rw | doing that as we speak |
| 19:20.02 | nusse | sxpert-carpc: either in or out is supported |
| 19:20.16 | nusse | sxpert-carpc: can you tell me the chips name? |
| 19:20.29 | sxpert-carpc | nusse: erh... |
| 19:21.06 | nusse | mom, im gonna look in make menuconfig |
| 19:21.10 | sxpert-carpc | nusse: it ain't on the PCI bridge |
| 19:21.10 | bender-rw | KB1FYR: first, install esd (package esound) |
| 19:23.14 | bender-rw | KB1FYR: then go to Desktop Preferences->Sound and select "enable sound server startup" |
| 19:23.28 | bender-rw | KB1FYR: that will start your esd when you log in |
| 19:23.58 | nusse | sxpert-carpc: its called planb |
| 19:24.02 | KB1FYR | okay, hang on |
| 19:24.16 | nusse | sxpert-carpc: found in kernel config multimedia -> video for linux |
| 19:24.32 | sxpert-carpc | nusse: ah... ok |
| 19:24.38 | nusse | PlanB Video-In on PowerMac (NEW) |
| 19:24.47 | nusse | it was video-in:) |
| 19:24.49 | KB1FYR | bender-rw: I have that package, and that button is selected |
| 19:24.50 | nusse | but i never used it |
| 19:25.12 | sxpert-carpc | nusse: hope mplayer knows about it... |
| 19:25.58 | nusse | sxpert-carpc: its video for linux, should work |
| 19:25.59 | nusse | http://www.cpu.lu/~mlan/planb.html |
| 19:26.12 | bender-rw | KB1FYR: check if esd is running, and maybe check fuser -v /dev/dsp |
| 19:26.42 | KB1FYR | gaim is using esd atm, and I have sound through it |
| 19:27.22 | KB1FYR | "/dev/dsp alex 831 f.... esd |
| 19:27.22 | KB1FYR | " |
| 19:27.26 | nusse | author mentiones xawtv to use it, so mplayer should work |
| 19:27.32 | nusse | sxpert-carpc: tell me if it works:) |
| 19:27.57 | KB1FYR | bender-rw: esd seems to work, but I want it to have multiple channels |
| 19:28.02 | KB1FYR | it only works with one channel |
| 19:28.05 | KB1FYR | except |
| 19:28.07 | KB1FYR | hmmm |
| 19:28.08 | bender-rw | KB1FYR: ok, xmms next, for that you need libesd0 |
| 19:28.13 | nusse | KB1FYR: esd gives you multiple channels |
| 19:28.24 | nusse | KB1FYR: but you need all applications to work with esd |
| 19:29.15 | KB1FYR | I already have libesd0 |
| 19:29.40 | bender-rw | KB1FYR: start xmms and press ctrl-p |
| 19:29.58 | bender-rw | KB1FYR: then select eSound as Output Plugin |
| 19:30.12 | KB1FYR | ok |
| 19:30.13 | nusse | click here, click there, sounds like this window-named os |
| 19:31.14 | bender-rw | general mouse-pushing menace gui thingy |
| 19:31.26 | bender-rw | bliss for carpal tunnel surgeons ;) |
| 19:31.44 | sxpert-carpc | lol |
| 19:32.13 | KB1FYR | In Gnome's "Multimedia Selector" I have OSS selected for in/out, is that correct? |
| 19:32.33 | KB1FYR | And how do I config Music Player to use ESD? |
| 19:32.40 | nusse | if its not the esd configuration, it should also point to esd |
| 19:32.47 | KB1FYR | I like Music Player a lot more than I like XMMS |
| 19:32.53 | bender-rw | i think it is the esd config |
| 19:33.16 | sxpert-carpc | (gstreamer based) |
| 19:33.23 | nusse | small, white, sweet |
| 19:33.47 | sxpert-carpc | http://www.navsys.org |
| 19:35.05 | bender-rw | KB1FYR: ok, thats _not_ the esd config |
| 19:35.14 | KB1FYR | ohh |
| 19:35.16 | bender-rw | KB1FYR: install 'gstreamer0.8-esd' |
| 19:35.26 | bender-rw | KB1FYR: then switch that to esd |
| 19:35.37 | bender-rw | i'm learning something new myself here :) |
| 19:35.44 | KB1FYR | hooray |
| 19:37.02 | KB1FYR | hmm, I switched it to ESD, but it doesn't make sound when I hit test |
| 19:37.44 | KB1FYR | oh, yes it works |
| 19:37.56 | KB1FYR | I click test source not sink, durr |
| 19:38.52 | KB1FYR | hooray, music player works!! |
| 19:39.00 | KB1FYR | Thanks bender-rw!! |
| 19:40.28 | bender-rw | KB1FYR: you're welcome :-) |
| 19:44.00 | sxpert-carpc | nusse: ok. it's done. I edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "stable" with "sarge" ? |
| 19:45.06 | nusse | sxpert-carpc: yes |
| 19:45.39 | nusse | then do apt-get update to get new sources, and apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade all packages |
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| 19:50.18 | KB1FYR | Is there any way to interface my linux box with my afp network? |
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| 19:53.15 | pahartik | KB1FYR: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=netatalk&searchon=names&version=all&release=main |
| 19:54.28 | KB1FYR | oh, cool, I already have that :P |
| 19:54.35 | KB1FYR | whee, tasksel got a lot of stuff for me |
| 19:57.00 | simonrvn | i have netatalk 2.0, will have some 2.2 debs soon |
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| 19:58.37 | simonrvn | sorry, 2.0.2 |
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| 20:01.01 | KB1FYR|AFK | whee, I'm not "alex" on this server :P |
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| 20:18.16 | Bor_Ed | hmm, ttyS0 is modem port and ttyS1 is printer, right ? |
| 20:20.14 | bender-rw | Bor_Ed: doesn't that depend on which device is connected to what? |
| 20:21.18 | Bor_Ed | well, trying to troubleshoot the macserial/rs232 3 wire cable here really |
| 20:21.27 | Bor_Ed | nullmodem cable that is |
| 20:26.33 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: hooking what up? |
| 20:26.46 | Bor_Ed | 286 lappie :D |
| 20:26.56 | sloopy | l337 :') |
| 20:26.59 | dj-death | lol |
| 20:27.06 | Bor_Ed | bleeding edge x86 leet :D |
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| 20:33.28 | dreamind | hmm |
| 20:33.39 | KB1FYR | What program do I use to connect to an Apple File Sharing server from my debian box? |
| 20:33.50 | KB1FYR | :P |
| 20:34.21 | dreamind | KB1FYR: netatalk |
| 20:34.29 | dreamind | apt-cache search afp |
| 20:34.54 | KB1FYR | oh, I have netatalk, I didn't know it could be used to make connections *to* servers |
| 20:35.11 | dreamind | oh hm, well I only was guessing - I dunno too ;) |
| 20:35.22 | KB1FYR | oh, hehe |
| 20:35.28 | dreamind | (apt-cache 's to blame *grin* ) |
| 20:36.59 | dreamind | bye |
| 20:37.42 | KB1FYR | bye |
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| 21:03.20 | sloopy | @+adbreset |
| 21:03.44 | sloopy | ravenbird: adbreset |
| 21:03.45 | ravenbird | sloopy: are you smoking crack? |
| 21:03.56 | sloopy | ravenbird: reset adb |
| 21:03.57 | ravenbird | sloopy: PEBKAC error, or Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair. |
| 21:04.19 | sloopy | hmmm one of these days i should learn how to use ravenbird :'/ |
| 21:04.35 | sloopy | ravenbird: list adb |
| 21:04.35 | ravenbird | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, sloopy |
| 21:04.42 | al_ | huhu |
| 21:06.07 | Curalton | simonrvn: man ravenbird pls! |
| 21:07.06 | sloopy | man? |
| 21:08.01 | dobby__ | how can i find out the keycodes of my keyboard? |
| 21:09.23 | Curalton | manual page |
| 21:10.23 | sloopy | Curalton: i am reading online help but i dont see what i am looking for... |
| 21:10.52 | sloopy | there is a command where you give it a keyword and it returns all factoids it knows with that keyword... |
| 21:11.28 | sloopy | dobby__: they are in a file named macintosh on your hd |
| 21:11.46 | dobby__ | and where is this file? |
| 21:12.19 | sloopy | i am looking :') |
| 21:12.39 | dobby__ | thanks ... |
| 21:12.40 | Curalton | sloopy: exactly what i was searching for |
| 21:12.52 | Curalton | found the @+3buttons trigger only by grepping my logs :/ |
| 21:14.48 | sloopy | /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/keycodes |
| 21:14.58 | sloopy | dobby__: there... |
| 21:15.30 | sloopy | Curalton: yeah i know there is a way to do it but i dont remember what it is... |
| 21:15.51 | dobby__ | thanks |
| 21:16.33 | sloopy | np |
| 21:16.49 | sloopy | i had a keymap problem once... took me a while to find it... |
| 21:18.33 | sloopy | i checked blootbots home page for docs... they are 'coming soon' :'/ |
| 21:18.49 | sloopy | ok i give up... |
| 21:19.20 | dobby__ | easy i what to rebuild the swissgerman keymap for ppc ibook |
| 21:19.30 | sloopy | simonrvn: what is the command for ravenbird to search factoids for a given keyword? |
| 21:19.34 | dobby__ | ;-) so that i can use the apple key as altgr |
| 21:20.08 | sloopy | dobby__: hmmm wouldnt xset or something be the place for that? |
| 21:20.39 | dobby__ | sloopy: xset? |
| 21:22.55 | sloopy | err i mean xmodmap |
| 21:22.55 | bender-rw | dobby__: keycode 0x6C = Mode_switch Multi_key |
| 21:23.09 | bender-rw | dobby__: add Mod3 = Mode_switch |
| 21:23.18 | bender-rw | dobby__: thats what i have in my .Xmodmap |
| 21:23.40 | bender-rw | dobby__: you have to replace 0x6c for your keycode (see xev) |
| 21:25.35 | dobby__ | yes i try to do it with the .Xmodmap file i have the switch keycode 115=Mode_switch that works, but i have a problem with my english, because i don't know the words for "#" "¬" "¦" "¢" "'" "~" |
| 21:27.16 | KB1FYR | gah, why is my computer not using any swap? |
| 21:27.37 | KB1FYR | Apparently I have 536MB of swap, and it's not using any of it |
| 21:28.14 | sloopy | "#"-hash "¬" "¦"-broken pipe "¢"-dont know, but the thing at bottom is a cedilla "'"-apostrophe "~"- tilde |
| 21:28.29 | sloopy | KB1FYR: how much ram? |
| 21:28.36 | KB1FYR | 448MB |
| 21:28.47 | dobby__ | cool thanks !!! |
| 21:29.42 | Curalton | "¢" is cent, as 100th of $ and € |
| 21:30.42 | sloopy | Curalton: ahhh on my screen it looks like a small c with a cedilla at bottom... but it is a 17" crt at 1280x1024 :') |
| 21:31.39 | Curalton | heh, good old charset confusion |
| 21:31.51 | Curalton | utf8! |
| 21:36.51 | KB1FYR | Whee, visibility is 2 tenths of a mile :P |
| 21:37.08 | Curalton | yay for SI units :P |
| 21:37.25 | KB1FYR | :P |
| 21:37.35 | KB1FYR | it's blizzard-ing |
| 21:37.59 | KB1FYR | Gah, why is my gui so unresponsive |
| 21:38.10 | KB1FYR | well, I guess it's not unresponsive, just slow |
| 21:39.06 | KB1FYR | I'm on a beige G3 with a 533MHz G4 processor and a radeon 7000 graphics card |
| 21:39.15 | KB1FYR | I would think it would suck less :-/ |
| 21:39.28 | KB1FYR | osx was faster |
| 21:40.15 | dobby__ | hey i cant believe that, how is it possible that somtimes what i startx my keys work an sometimes no?? |
| 21:40.19 | KB1FYR | Gnome says I'm using xvimagesink, maybe I should be using something else? |
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| 21:42.20 | a_monkey | flashplayer-nonfree won't be available on my ppc, correct? |
| 21:42.41 | dj-death | yes |
| 21:42.43 | sxpert-carpc | a_monkey: correct. blame macromedia... |
| 21:43.33 | a_monkey | doesn't installing swf-player install a phony flash plugin for ppc? |
| 21:44.07 | sxpert-carpc | a_monkey: it install a free player that doesn't do 1/4 of what it should do. |
| 21:44.26 | sxpert-carpc | a better one should be written using cairo in the future. |
| 21:44.33 | dj-death | it just allow you to watch flash videos |
| 21:44.41 | dj-death | (videos in flash) |
| 21:44.56 | grivell | err use MOL for flash ;) |
| 21:45.00 | grivell | And java |
| 21:45.03 | dj-death | lol |
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| 21:46.39 | a_monkey | i installed the package, but firefox ignores it and says i need the flash plugin. is there a way to refresh mozilla plugins, or something that i should do? |
| 21:46.48 | grivell | KB1FYR: What is going slow for you? |
| 21:47.19 | KB1FYR | Umm, say if I drag a window, it leaves an ugly trail |
| 21:47.36 | grivell | KB1FYR: You use "ati" in xfree86-4? |
| 21:47.38 | KB1FYR | and also switching between apps, I can see the window update |
| 21:47.47 | KB1FYR | umm |
| 21:48.15 | a_monkey | KB1FYR: what video card? |
| 21:48.23 | grivell | If it isn't accelerated video driver (ati is supported well for 7500), than thats the reason |
| 21:48.26 | KB1FYR | radeon 7000 pci |
| 21:48.29 | KB1FYR | 64MB |
| 21:48.36 | grivell | It is supported well,. |
| 21:48.41 | grivell | Even for 3D. |
| 21:48.53 | KB1FYR | grivell, where is xfree86-4? |
| 21:49.33 | grivell | Accept |
| 21:49.49 | grivell | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.54 | a_monkey | KB1FYR: nano -w /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 <-- see if there's a line reading `Driver "ati"' |
| 21:50.05 | a_monkey | under the Device section |
| 21:50.27 | KB1FYR | yeah |
| 21:50.34 | KB1FYR | I have that |
| 21:50.49 | KB1FYR | "useFBDev"? |
| 21:50.54 | a_monkey | is the option "UseFBDev" "true"? |
| 21:50.58 | KB1FYR | yes |
| 21:51.00 | a_monkey | good |
| 21:51.19 | grivell | Why is useFVDev good? |
| 21:51.40 | KB1FYR | Isn't that software rendering? |
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| 21:51.55 | grivell | run 'glxgears' |
| 21:51.56 | strat50s | hi |
| 21:52.13 | bender-rw | KB1FYR: no it just uses fb to set things up |
| 21:52.18 | grivell | KB1FYR: Did you get the file I sent? |
| 21:52.34 | KB1FYR | whee, 277 fps |
| 21:52.40 | KB1FYR | yeah grivell |
| 21:52.51 | a_monkey | frankly, i have no idea why "UseFBDev" is a good thing. i just was told that i would get faster rendering if i did. |
| 21:52.57 | KB1FYR | It won't kill my system if I try to use it, will it? |
| 21:53.10 | grivell | KB1FYR: Just compare it to yours. |
| 21:53.13 | strat50s | mmm only 277 fps? |
| 21:53.19 | KB1FYR | yeah |
| 21:53.21 | grivell | Don't ever overwrite a config file with someone else's ;) |
| 21:53.25 | KB1FYR | hehe |
| 21:53.34 | KB1FYR | Thats what I thought :P |
| 21:53.38 | strat50s | what's your video card KB1FYR ? |
| 21:53.43 | grivell | Because I have usb mouse, radeon 9200 mobility, etc. |
| 21:54.27 | a_monkey | i was going to ask, how do i "right-click" stuff if my apple mouse only has one button (which is used as the left mouse button) |
| 21:54.28 | KB1FYR | radeon 7k pci |
| 21:54.29 | a_monkey | ? |
| 21:54.40 | grivell | 850 fps here. |
| 21:54.42 | KB1FYR | a_monkey, press shift numlock |
| 21:54.54 | KB1FYR | then use / * and - to switch between buttons |
| 21:55.00 | a_monkey | i don't have a numlock key |
| 21:55.02 | KB1FYR | for kbd mousing |
| 21:55.09 | KB1FYR | and then 5 is the button |
| 21:55.16 | KB1FYR | no numlock? |
| 21:55.22 | KB1FYR | try clear on the keypad |
| 21:55.24 | grivell | a_monkey: set 2 keys for middle, right. |
| 21:55.30 | strat50s | i think radeon 7000 should show a better performance... but I'm not sure... I'm getting almos 2000 fps with mobility radeon 9200 when I run glxgears |
| 21:55.35 | a_monkey | grivell: how? |
| 21:55.59 | grivell | a_monkey: I think the iBook install guide tells you. I never did it, always use usb mouse |
| 21:56.13 | grivell | Something in /proc ;) |
| 21:56.40 | sxpert-carpc | nusse: I wonder how to configure the X on the 8600... what video card is that using ? |
| 21:56.46 | KB1FYR | WHen I run glxgears it says "disabling TCL support" |
| 21:57.07 | sxpert-carpc | radeon 7000 doesn't have TCL |
| 21:57.15 | sxpert-carpc | so, that's normal |
| 21:57.18 | KB1FYR | oh |
| 21:57.24 | a_monkey | glxgears gives me a framerate around 625 fps |
| 21:57.30 | KB1FYR | !ravenbird mouse emulation |
| 21:57.45 | Curalton | @+3buttons |
| 21:57.46 | grivell | ravenbird, mouse emulation |
| 21:57.46 | Curalton | @+3button |
| 21:57.47 | ravenbird | [mouse emulation] SHIFT-NumLock in XFree86. Use the numeric keypad to move, /*- to choose buttons 123, 5 to click, + to doubleclick, 0 to press, . to release. Tap shift while moving to accelerate. Bindings are in /usr/lib/X11/xkb/compat/mousekeys |
| 21:58.22 | Curalton | @+3 buttons |
| 21:58.23 | ravenbird | sysctl -w dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation=1, and dev.mac_hid.mouse_buttonY_keycode=XX -- where XX is a number you get from showkey (in console only), the key you want, and Y is 2 or 3. however, you'll lose functionality of the selected keys for any other use, or to make the change permanent, add the entries to /etc/sysctl.conf - man sysctl.conf, and you can enable it immediately by running sysctl -p after you've edited sysctl.conf |
| 21:59.00 | sxpert-carpc | ravenbird, powermac 8600 |
| 21:59.01 | ravenbird | sxpert-carpc: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 21:59.07 | grivell | Curalton: Thank you. and ravenbird, thanks for the hands. Freddie Mitchel is the man. |
| 21:59.11 | sxpert-carpc | hmmm |
| 21:59.19 | KB1FYR | lol |
| 21:59.24 | a_monkey | grivell: where is this ibook installation guide? it sounds like it has some useful info. |
| 21:59.33 | grivell | Topic |
| 21:59.56 | KB1FYR | ha, if I put glxgears in the background I get 500 fps :P |
| 22:00.00 | grivell | tinyurl.com/2488m |
| 22:00.22 | grivell | KB1FYR: thats a good start ;) |
| 22:00.41 | grivell | Try the pageflip thing I use (may lock up system) |
| 22:00.46 | KB1FYR | I think it's slow because I have a 67MHz bus :P |
| 22:02.52 | KB1FYR | ok grivell |
| 22:02.54 | KB1FYR | hmm |
| 22:03.08 | KB1FYR | lock up as in crash, or no xserv start? |
| 22:04.14 | grivell | KB1FYR: Not sure, that is just the warning I received when I was told about it. |
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| 22:04.50 | KB1FYR | d'oh I always accidentally hit the xchat button |
| 22:04.52 | grivell | By the way, you need to restart X to have any option you change in /etc/X11/XFree86-4 to work |
| 22:04.57 | KB1FYR | yeah |
| 22:05.06 | KB1FYR | I think it would just crash x |
| 22:05.25 | KB1FYR | it may crash the whole system, but I can boot in console mode to fix i |
| 22:05.26 | KB1FYR | t |
| 22:05.35 | grivell | yeah |
| 22:08.31 | KB1FYR | bbias, trying it |
| 22:08.35 | a_monkey | will following the "XFree86 with DRI" section of the ibook guide work for say, an eMac? |
| 22:08.55 | a_monkey | or is this ibook only stuff |
| 22:09.26 | a_monkey | i don't know why it should work on an emac. |
| 22:09.39 | grivell | a_monkey: It should. |
| 22:09.51 | grivell | It is video card dependant. |
| 22:10.08 | grivell | dependent even |
| 22:10.18 | grivell | Damn, I use a spell checker and I still mess up hehe |
| 22:11.50 | dobby__ | i cannot change the key which have to following charcters per default [{ i want that it is "ü è [" but when i do keycodes 35 = ü è bracketleft it does not work! |
| 22:15.06 | a_monkey | what's the option "AGPMode" do in an xf86config? |
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| 22:15.46 | KB1FYR | heh |
| 22:15.50 | KB1FYR | no performance change |
| 22:16.15 | grivell | Sets to AGP 4x, 2x, etc. |
| 22:16.37 | a_monkey | pardon me if i'm a total linux n00b, but what's "AGP"? |
| 22:16.58 | grivell | AGP = graphics slot on motherboard |
| 22:17.18 | KB1FYR | AGP is an interface technology for graphics cards, it's the short slot next to your PCI slots |
| 22:17.24 | grivell | KB1FYR: Nah, flipPage is different topic ;) I was talking about AGPMode with a_monkey |
| 22:17.35 | KB1FYR | yeah :P |
| 22:18.06 | KB1FYR | Because AGP is a differnt bus than PCI, your graphics won't be interfered with by your network cards and vice versa |
| 22:20.44 | drwarp | is there a way to set CTRL+CLICK as right click like in MacOsX!? :o |
| 22:20.57 | drwarp | ah... iBook G4 :) |
| 22:22.07 | Curalton | @+3 buttons |
| 22:22.07 | ravenbird | sysctl -w dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation=1, and dev.mac_hid.mouse_buttonY_keycode=XX -- where XX is a number you get from showkey (in console only), the key you want, and Y is 2 or 3. however, you'll lose functionality of the selected keys for any other use, or to make the change permanent, add the entries to /etc/sysctl.conf - man sysctl.conf, and you can enable it immediately by running sysctl -p after you've edited sysctl.conf |
| 22:22.16 | Curalton | drwarp: maybe not ctrl, but fn |
| 22:22.20 | Curalton | err, fn+ctrl |
| 22:22.37 | Curalton | usually fn changes all keycodes you aquire via showkeys |
| 22:22.48 | a_monkey | i think i just enabled 3d accel |
| 22:22.54 | a_monkey | i'm gonna check it out |
| 22:23.35 | drwarp | thanks all! :) |
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| 22:27.32 | a_monkey | i still don't get what changing "AGPMode" does |
| 22:30.59 | grivell | If you have an AGP 4x slot/card, changing it will increase throughput on textures (I think). = faster, |
| 22:31.11 | grivell | Good night all. |
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| 22:54.05 | KB1FYR | Has anyone gotten cube to work on DebianPPC? |
| 22:54.29 | dobby__ | hey does someone of you guys get a keycode on F11 ? or F12 ? |
| 22:56.20 | pahartik | dobby__: easily, i use them to act as second and third mouse button |
| 22:57.46 | dobby__ | that the reason because i need the keycodes. but neither with xev nor with showkey i get the codes!?! |
| 22:58.12 | dobby__ | do you have a powerbook or an ibook? |
| 22:59.35 | pahartik | dobby__: they are 87 and 88 on my iBook G4 |
| 23:00.11 | dobby__ | ok lets see ... |
| 23:00.56 | dobby__ | hmm thats intresting mine to but the 88 is not working right on X-Window with kde |
| 23:01.58 | dobby__ | do you use X-window system? |
| 23:02.20 | pahartik | dobby__: maybe you have function keys in "with Fn-Key" -mode? |
| 23:02.51 | dobby__ | bingo !!!!!!!! |
| 23:03.47 | dobby__ | hey thanks man thank you to all of you guys helping setting up my ibook with debian linux ;-) |
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| 23:07.08 | pahartik | dobby__: you are welcome |
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