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| 02:16.11 | a_monkey | i used to run yellow dog linux. now that i run debian, gnome's stuff seems to be all... blown up. fonts at size 10 are way bigger looking, icons are huge compared to before, etc. |
| 02:16.24 | a_monkey | anyone know why this is? |
| 02:16.58 | kimo_sabe | a_monkey: my guess is the DPI calculation for your screen are different |
| 02:17.05 | kimo_sabe | a_monkey: what does xdpyinfo say for DPI? |
| 02:18.29 | a_monkey | xdpyinfo gives me a long output. what should i be looking for? |
| 02:18.38 | kimo_sabe | a_monkey: the DPI info |
| 02:19.08 | a_monkey | aha! my screen resolution is way smaller than i want it to be. |
| 02:19.15 | a_monkey | so that's the problem :-| |
| 02:20.15 | kimo_sabe | a_monkey: shouldn't be, those should be scaling to roughing the same size, if your DPI info is right |
| 02:20.31 | a_monkey | `dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (260x195 millimeters)' <-- that's weird. in my xf86config, i have the resolution set to 1280 x 960 |
| 02:20.50 | a_monkey | my screen is capable of displaying 1280 x 960 pixels |
| 02:20.52 | kimo_sabe | a_monkey: it must have rejected the mode for some reason |
| 02:21.15 | a_monkey | well, i have no idea why. |
| 02:21.43 | kimo_sabe | a_monkey: check /var/log/XFree86.0.log and see why it through out that mode |
| 02:24.18 | a_monkey | kimo_sabe: (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (hsync out of range) |
| 02:24.42 | kimo_sabe | a_monkey: X doesn't think your monitor can handle that horizonal frequency |
| 02:25.07 | a_monkey | kimo_sabe: there's another line saying: (--) RADEON(0): Virtual size is 1024x768 (pitch 1024) |
| 02:25.46 | a_monkey | why not? i used to have it set to that with my old distro, and everything was fine |
| 02:26.31 | kimo_sabe | a_monkey: is there an hsync setting in your config? |
| 02:26.46 | a_monkey | my xf86config-4 file? |
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| 02:27.01 | kimo_sabe | a_monkey: yeah |
| 02:27.50 | a_monkey | kimo_sabe: my hsync line reads: `HorizSync 71-73' |
| 02:28.30 | kimo_sabe | a_monkey: that would be what's limiting it. Uh, try removing it and see if it can successfully detect it |
| 02:28.50 | a_monkey | ok |
| 02:29.27 | a_monkey | i'll be rebooted in a sec |
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| 02:31.18 | a_monkey | same problem |
| 02:31.40 | a_monkey | i still get an "hsync out of range" error |
| 02:32.17 | kimo_sabe | a_monkey: hmm, put the line back and bump it up then |
| 02:32.42 | a_monkey | but i know my hsync: i entered it in correctly the first time. |
| 02:32.52 | a_monkey | what should i bump it up to? |
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| 02:34.43 | kimo_sabe | a_monkey: not too much. Maybe 70-80 tops |
| 02:36.03 | a_monkey | that's funny. it was auto-detected correctly. |
| 02:36.13 | kimo_sabe | a_monkey: eh? |
| 02:36.51 | a_monkey | i went to change it, and it was there, reading: `HorizSync 71-73' which i know is correct |
| 02:40.11 | a_monkey | i'll restart x |
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| 02:44.53 | a_monkey | x refuses to start with a different hsync range |
| 02:45.28 | a_monkey | so the hsync range in my config is obviously correct |
| 02:46.50 | a_monkey | maybe somebody in #debian knows the answer? |
| 02:53.27 | a_monkey | i'm gonna try something. bbias |
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| 04:06.30 | simonrvn | sloopy: listkeys foo, or listvals foo. vals is inside factoids, keys is factoid names |
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| 12:04.53 | sloopy | simonrvn: ty |
| 12:05.05 | simonrvn | np |
| 12:06.01 | sloopy | when you get old these things happen ;') |
| 12:06.33 | simonrvn | oh yeh |
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| 12:28.50 | simonrvn | godam, sf.net is having serious issues - guess it was a matter of time... |
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| 12:45.33 | Q-FUNK | not really PPC-related, but well: |
| 12:46.07 | Q-FUNK | Has anybody experience on how to deal with a crappy ISP whose tech support runs circles around repeated complaints, even after the Consumers' Protection got involved? |
| 12:47.50 | Stereo | Q-FUNK: email the guy in the WHOIS record |
| 12:48.16 | Stereo | in the emailing a fellow geek way |
| 12:48.35 | Q-FUNK | Stereo: did that already. |
| 12:48.55 | Bor_Ed | Q-FUNK, just try netikka :I |
| 12:48.58 | Stereo | lemme guess, no reply? |
| 12:49.33 | Q-FUNK | replies that ask me to check if DHCP is on, etc. |
| 12:49.40 | Stereo | lol |
| 12:50.18 | Stereo | I find that citing RFCs and stuff like that helps being taken seriously |
| 12:51.35 | Stereo | e.g. don't say " I have a network in 192.168.*", say "My RFC1918 IP range LAN" |
| 12:51.42 | Q-FUNK | not with them. I even regularly e-mail them copies of my Traceroute results and of Smokeping perfomance graphs. |
| 12:51.58 | Stereo | do they cost much? |
| 12:51.58 | Q-FUNK | they play stupid. |
| 12:52.11 | Stereo | my isp is crap but it's cheap |
| 12:52.27 | Bor_Ed | same here |
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| 12:52.53 | Q-FUNK | this one is about 25eur per month, but it's payable in one lump every 3 months. |
| 12:53.44 | Bor_Ed | 13 eur/mo for this 'connection' |
| 12:54.09 | aba | Q-FUNK: switch isp. |
| 12:54.16 | Stereo | well, "cheap" |
| 12:54.36 | Stereo | 50 euros/month isn't exactly cheap, but that's how things are in luxembourg |
| 12:54.52 | Q-FUNK | aba: close to impssible. there's only 1 other possible broadband provider covering thise are and I hear they're about as bad. |
| 12:55.09 | Stereo | you could start a co-op ISP |
| 12:55.17 | aba | Q-FUNK: that's bad luck than. Usually in a oligopol, you just have bad luck |
| 12:55.20 | aba | Stereo: or so, yes. |
| 12:55.36 | Stereo | I plan on doing that when I have more time |
| 12:55.45 | Stereo | we'll have a debian ppc mirror |
| 12:55.59 | Piru | 58eur/mo for my 4mbps/512kbps. it's not supercheap, but at least the downlink speed has quadrupled recently |
| 12:56.37 | Piru | few years back it was the same for 256/256 :) |
| 12:56.45 | Stereo | where do you all live? |
| 12:57.13 | Q-FUNK | I don't need a super-fast connection, but I want whatever speed I purchase to be stable. |
| 12:57.59 | Stereo | 802.16 will kill big ISPs |
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| 13:36.56 | nusse | sxpert-carpc: controlfb |
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| 16:16.01 | KB1FYR | whee, in osx I get 300fps higher in glxgears than I do in Debian :-/ |
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| 16:26.05 | al_ | KB1FYR, ati ? |
| 16:26.24 | KB1FYR | yeah |
| 16:26.44 | al_ | the closed source drivers of os x are a lot more optimized than free dri.. |
| 16:27.10 | KB1FYR | aww |
| 16:32.32 | Piru | I guess that is what you get when you pay the $$$ to ati |
| 16:33.19 | al_ | ati does binary drivers for linux.. |
| 16:33.22 | al_ | i386 binaries. |
| 16:37.31 | Oryn | and they work well |
| 16:38.05 | Oryn | I get 1448.800 FPS on my radeon 9600 mobility |
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| 19:38.47 | a_monkey | i was told to make sure that /etc/X11/X linked to /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 |
| 19:39.07 | a_monkey | i was having problems starting an X session |
| 19:39.29 | a_monkey | but my /etc/X11/X links to another location: /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 |
| 19:39.39 | a_monkey | should i change its link target? |
| 19:45.35 | sloopy | a_monkey: if /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 exists then it should be ok... |
| 19:46.05 | grivell | Mac-On-Linux is not maintained anymore? (judging from bitkeeper logs)? |
| 19:47.03 | sloopy | grivell: there is a moderator for the mailing list and irc channel, but samuel has been MIA for about a year... |
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| 19:51.45 | grivell | Hmm. Wonder how I'm going to use java/flash when needed when Kernel 2.8 comes out in 5 years. |
| 19:52.34 | grivell | Maybe Apple has him locked in Steve's basement. |
| 19:52.46 | sloopy | heh... there are people who are doing various things with the code... |
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| 19:59.54 | a_monkey | how do i know how much memory i have on my ati radeon 9200? |
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| 20:10.02 | bioterror | Hi. I have PowerMac 8200/120. I'm trying to install Debian GNU/Linux (sarge) but I can't remember the /dev/sdxxx to put in BootX |
| 20:10.53 | Bor_Ed | try sda5 and sda 6 |
| 20:11.06 | bioterror | I'll try that 6 |
| 20:12.16 | bioterror | six it was. now I'll have to check that init ;) |
| 20:12.18 | bioterror | more manual |
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| 20:14.22 | Bor_Ed | hey, want another 8200/120 for spares ? :) it has corrupted GFX but should work otherwise :) |
| 20:18.06 | bioterror | can we speak finnish? |
| 20:18.18 | Bor_Ed | drop to #bor_ed |
| 20:18.28 | bioterror | damn, you live near Vaasa/Seinäjoki |
| 20:18.38 | Bor_Ed | vaasa :D |
| 20:19.11 | Bor_Ed | join the ^ chan if you prefer finnish |
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| 22:51.32 | bruno | anyone able to run an external monitor on a powerbook albook g4 (kernel 2.6.9 and xfree86 radeon 9600m10) ? |
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| 23:26.15 | a_monkey | i figured out why i was getting the "No valid modes" error at startup |
| 23:26.36 | a_monkey | according to xfree's log, my hsync was out of range |
| 23:27.08 | a_monkey | now, does that mean that the horizsync i set in the xf86config is inaccurate? |
| 23:27.09 | grivell | I use dmps or whatever |
| 23:27.09 | a_monkey | or does it mean something else? |
| 23:27.16 | a_monkey | dmps? |
| 23:27.28 | grivell | You want my x config? |
| 23:27.35 | a_monkey | ok |
| 23:27.45 | a_monkey | what machine are you on? |
| 23:28.16 | grivell | iBook g4 |
| 23:28.21 | a_monkey | hmm |
| 23:28.26 | a_monkey | i'm on an emac. |
| 23:28.31 | grivell | But some of it applies elsewhere (dmps or whatever does) |
| 23:28.32 | a_monkey | well, i'll look at it |
| 23:28.51 | a_monkey | where is the xf86config file? |
| 23:29.20 | a_monkey | i guess i'll search for wherever xchat put it |
| 23:29.37 | a_monkey | that's kinda cool that you can send files over irc |
| 23:29.45 | grivell | Did you get it yet? |
| 23:29.53 | grivell | Says waiting on my side. |
| 23:30.09 | a_monkey | i don't think so |
| 23:30.15 | grivell | You are behind a firewall :( |
| 23:30.20 | grivell | And so am I hehe |
| 23:30.21 | a_monkey | yup |
| 23:30.35 | a_monkey | well, then, paste it on rafb.net |
| 23:32.55 | a_monkey | did you paste it yet? |
| 23:33.12 | grivell | http://rafb.net/paste/results/KdJRZ239.html |
| 23:33.15 | a_monkey | there we are |
| 23:34.05 | grivell | option "DPMS" |
| 23:34.11 | a_monkey | what does enabling "page flip" do? |
| 23:34.22 | grivell | You can probably comment out the horiz lines then :) |
| 23:34.23 | a_monkey | dpms was already set in my config |
| 23:34.41 | grivell | page flip is a way to speed 3D for radeon 9200 and under. |
| 23:34.50 | a_monkey | cool |
| 23:34.54 | a_monkey | i have a radeon 9200 |
| 23:35.26 | a_monkey | it doesn't seem too different from my config |
| 23:35.54 | a_monkey | weird. i tried commenting out the horizsync line, and i still get the stupid error |
| 23:36.08 | grivell | Did you add DPMS? |
| 23:36.14 | a_monkey | it was already there |
| 23:36.19 | grivell | Very weird. |
| 23:36.58 | grivell | brb pizza time. hmmm beer and pizza and smokes. Nothing more healthy. |
| 23:37.08 | a_monkey | nope :) |
| 23:38.20 | a_monkey | i'm gonna try something. brb. |
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