| 00:07.33 | a_monkey | ah well |
| 00:07.43 | a_monkey | 1024x768 ain't such a bad resolution |
| 00:08.00 | a_monkey | what does dpms do, btw? |
| 00:12.49 | nusse | switch your display off |
| 00:14.12 | a_monkey | wha...? |
| 00:15.32 | a_monkey | oh i get it |
| 00:21.37 | nusse | i think its just powersaving for displays |
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| 00:24.29 | jeff_ | I'm having problems installing woody on a ppc system. It is a mac g4. For some reason the installer isn't finding the HD. If I pull the CD the system boots properly from the HD so i know it is working/plugged in...any ideas? |
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| 00:27.17 | nusse | idiot. |
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| 01:44.17 | a_monkey | i think i'm having the same sluggish-box problem as KB1FYR |
| 01:45.04 | KB1FYR | gah |
| 01:45.21 | KB1FYR | What sort of problems? |
| 01:48.01 | a_monkey | like when i open a window, i don't see its contents until like 5 seconds later |
| 01:49.04 | grivell | What kernel? Do you use prelink? What Window manager? |
| 01:50.32 | a_monkey | grivell: 2.6.8, i dunno, metacity |
| 01:51.01 | a_monkey | glxgears gives me a great framerate, about 890 fps |
| 01:51.07 | grivell | Try changing your theme I suppose. |
| 01:51.17 | grivell | Maybe the theme is too much for gtk+ ;) |
| 01:51.20 | a_monkey | noooooo!!!! |
| 01:51.23 | grivell | lol |
| 01:51.28 | a_monkey | i wove my theme! |
| 01:51.44 | a_monkey | it does cause problems, though |
| 01:51.55 | a_monkey | i better find one that's just as good, but faster |
| 01:52.02 | grivell | You can also try Fluxbox ;) |
| 01:52.12 | a_monkey | i did, fluxbox is pretty cool |
| 01:52.18 | a_monkey | i still like metacity though |
| 01:52.56 | grivell | arg, too windy outside :( Cold and windy. Great combo. |
| 01:53.13 | a_monkey | it's pouring where i am. which is worse |
| 01:53.33 | a_monkey | at least you can go outside without being drenched |
| 01:53.49 | grivell | I have a porch, I can go outside without being drenched if it rains ;) |
| 01:54.15 | grivell | Wind is not escapable. |
| 01:55.21 | a_monkey | grivell: you use flux? |
| 01:55.36 | grivell | No, but I have it installed. I mess around a lot. |
| 01:55.48 | a_monkey | same here |
| 01:55.49 | grivell | I have Gnome installed too, but I don't use it :) |
| 01:56.09 | grivell | Cept for Rhythmbox. I love it. |
| 01:56.14 | a_monkey | gnome + flux is pretty cool, then you can use gdesklets while using flux |
| 01:56.34 | grivell | You can use kde and gnome with flux. |
| 01:57.50 | grivell | Here is a tip for speeding load times of apps. Install prelink. Then: prelink -am . Do that anytime you install or update apps. |
| 01:58.28 | grivell | It takes a long time to prelink though. (especially first run). |
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| 02:03.38 | a_monkey | kde stinks |
| 02:03.38 | a_monkey | all it does is waste disk space in my opinion. i like gnome and its apps better |
| 02:05.39 | a_monkey | th |
| 02:05.39 | a_monkey | oops |
| 02:05.39 | a_monkey | *thx |
| 02:05.39 | a_monkey | like how long? |
| 02:06.54 | KB1FYR | I agree a_monkey |
| 02:07.16 | KB1FYR | I did like KDE's config better |
| 02:07.40 | KB1FYR | Too bad I couldn't config it in a way that I liked :P |
| 02:10.32 | grivell | Nothing wrong with Konqy, Kontact (kmail, etc), kaffeine, Quanta Plus, and a couple others. Kopete and Juk are decent too. |
| 02:11.23 | grivell | As far as waste disk space, you do understand disk space is begging to be wasted with 200 gb drives for cheap ;) |
| 02:12.01 | KB1FYR | hehe |
| 02:12.36 | grivell | Anyway, bed time. l8r all |
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| 02:35.44 | a_monkey | omg my internet connection is sooo slow today |
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| 03:38.15 | simonrvn | they both suck. and gnome installed takes up more drive space than kde does, IME |
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| 03:52.55 | nutmeg | hey hmk |
| 03:53.03 | hhstnoc | hey dank |
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| 03:59.32 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:27.26 | fluffy_wolf | :) |
| 05:06.44 | Sam-I-Am | m00. |
| 05:22.20 | fluffy_wolf | mrrf! |
| 05:22.48 | fluffy_wolf | wolves don't moo. :) |
| 05:23.06 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 05:23.48 | KB1FYR | What is the emu needed to get wine running on a PPC box? |
| 05:26.18 | fluffy_wolf | Emus don't moo either. |
| 05:26.37 | KB1FYR | :P |
| 05:26.58 | fluffy_wolf | I have to be up at 4:45am tomorrow. :( |
| 05:27.05 | Sam-I-Am | so my beige g3 keeps locking solid |
| 05:27.09 | Sam-I-Am | now every few hours |
| 05:27.13 | KB1FYR | hmm |
| 05:27.13 | Sam-I-Am | just swapped the ram out tonight |
| 05:27.18 | fluffy_wolf | Sam-I-Am: ram? |
| 05:27.20 | KB1FYR | Do you have a cpu upgrade? |
| 05:27.28 | fluffy_wolf | ah, you already thought of ram. :) |
| 05:27.48 | Sam-I-Am | nope, original cpu |
| 05:28.08 | Sam-I-Am | it worked for 16 days, then locked, then worked for 110 days and locked... now its down to 12-24 hour lockups |
| 05:28.22 | KB1FYR | Have you tried putting new heatsink compound on it and adding a fan? |
| 05:28.30 | fluffy_wolf | ideas... ram, power supply, heatsink/fansink clogged with dust, fan not running at full speed, if it were x86 I'd suggest checking the caps on the motherboard, umm... |
| 05:28.30 | KB1FYR | er, on the proc |
| 05:28.36 | Sam-I-Am | i doubt it needs a fan - the entire machine uses 33 watts |
| 05:28.45 | Sam-I-Am | its clean inside |
| 05:29.10 | fluffy_wolf | replacing it with a new g5 probably would help... |
| 05:29.17 | Sam-I-Am | hah yeah |
| 05:29.27 | Sam-I-Am | running it at 0% or 100% cpu doesnt seem to affect anything |
| 05:29.35 | Sam-I-Am | gonna see how it takes the new ram |
| 05:30.24 | fluffy_wolf | Is the power supply swappable? |
| 05:30.31 | KB1FYR | what do you have for pci cards? |
| 05:30.41 | Sam-I-Am | a 3com nic |
| 05:30.49 | KB1FYR | and have you tried reseating the vram? |
| 05:30.55 | Sam-I-Am | fluffy_wolf: i'd imagine so, if i had another box to take one from |
| 05:30.58 | KB1FYR | try putting the nic in a different slot |
| 05:31.00 | Sam-I-Am | KB1FYR: nope |
| 05:31.05 | Sam-I-Am | i could do that |
| 05:31.11 | KB1FYR | it might help |
| 05:31.20 | Sam-I-Am | i'm gonna just keep the ram swapped in the meantime - one variable at a time heh |
| 05:31.38 | KB1FYR | certain slots share resources, it might be sharing w/the onboard video |
| 05:31.44 | Sam-I-Am | possible |
| 05:31.45 | KB1FYR | yeah, good idea |
| 05:31.52 | fluffy_wolf | KB1FYR: I doubt the slot the nic is in would cause a failure that gets worse with time... |
| 05:31.56 | Sam-I-Am | not sure why the lockups would be random in that case |
| 05:32.03 | Sam-I-Am | i'm not using the video for anything |
| 05:32.16 | fluffy_wolf | If it had always done it, it would be a good idea... but something that gets worse seems more like marginally failing hardware. |
| 05:32.21 | KB1FYR | my g3 crashed a lot, but I found out that was because of my cache config proggy |
| 05:32.37 | KB1FYR | I have a g4 upgrade in it |
| 05:32.50 | KB1FYR | 533MHz G4 w/1MB L2 |
| 05:33.27 | KB1FYR | fluffy_wolf: plenty of x86 boxes share resources like that too, don't get cocky |
| 05:33.47 | fluffy_wolf | they share resources, but other than using Windoze, I've yet to have crashed. |
| 05:33.51 | fluffy_wolf | crashes |
| 05:34.09 | KB1FYR | I dunno if that's even his problem |
| 05:34.14 | fluffy_wolf | Linux has never crashed without a good reason and/or kernel bug. :) |
| 05:34.19 | KB1FYR | and it's only certain hw that does that |
| 05:34.24 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 05:34.59 | fluffy_wolf | I need to fix this box ASAP... the capacitors are leaking by the day. only a matter of time before it dies... |
| 05:35.11 | Sam-I-Am | ha |
| 05:35.20 | fluffy_wolf | haven't had time to do it though... replaced all the caps on my other three motherboards. |
| 05:35.21 | KB1FYR | *pow* |
| 05:35.30 | fluffy_wolf | three boards down, one to go |
| 05:35.51 | KB1FYR | I have a 3kJ cap bank that I use to, uh "dispose" of smaller caps ;-) |
| 05:35.56 | fluffy_wolf | these boards need 22 replacement capacitors... |
| 05:35.59 | fluffy_wolf | lol |
| 05:36.02 | KB1FYR | Better than firecrackers imo |
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| 05:36.09 | KB1FYR | whee, have fun |
| 05:36.29 | KB1FYR | Got a good solder sucker? |
| 05:36.30 | fluffy_wolf | have any use for 450v few-thousand mfd (don't remember exactly) caps? I can get you a box cheaply... |
| 05:36.38 | fluffy_wolf | KB1FYR: I have a vacuum desoldering station... |
| 05:36.46 | KB1FYR | woo |
| 05:36.47 | KB1FYR | at work? |
| 05:36.51 | fluffy_wolf | at home |
| 05:36.54 | KB1FYR | cool |
| 05:37.11 | fluffy_wolf | I can get a nice pile of used capacitors in that range if you want some. :) |
| 05:37.29 | KB1FYR | I'm a poor HS student, I have to solder my SMD stuff with a blowtorch because gas is cheaper than electricity |
| 05:37.34 | fluffy_wolf | LOL |
| 05:37.59 | KB1FYR | Hmm, I'm set on caps atm, but I'll keep your offer in mind |
| 05:38.09 | fluffy_wolf | then use the poor man's capacitor "disposer"... a mains cord with clip leads on the end. :) |
| 05:38.18 | KB1FYR | hehe |
| 05:39.21 | fluffy_wolf | they're pretty chunky caps... about 9" tall and 4" across... probably 30 of them or so. |
| 05:40.01 | KB1FYR | cool, that's about the size of the ones I have |
| 05:40.08 | KB1FYR | 200v 5500uF |
| 05:40.15 | KB1FYR | 15 of them |
| 05:40.20 | fluffy_wolf | these are 450v 4700uf I think. |
| 05:40.27 | KB1FYR | I used them for building a coilgun |
| 05:40.29 | KB1FYR | oo, cool |
| 05:40.33 | fluffy_wolf | something near there. I remember the 450v part. :) |
| 05:40.40 | fluffy_wolf | and I think there's a 7 in the capacitance. :) |
| 05:40.41 | KB1FYR | Are you into HV or high power electronics? |
| 05:40.43 | fluffy_wolf | nope |
| 05:40.47 | KB1FYR | aww |
| 05:41.01 | fluffy_wolf | I spend a lot of time at the local scrapyard... they stripped them out of some equipment that got dropped off once. |
| 05:41.07 | KB1FYR | those specs sound right for a cap of that size |
| 05:41.12 | KB1FYR | ohh |
| 05:41.26 | fluffy_wolf | I think they sell them for 25 cents/pound... |
| 05:41.39 | KB1FYR | haha, awesome |
| 05:41.41 | fluffy_wolf | I paid $4 for my last chainsaw from them. :) |
| 05:41.42 | KB1FYR | where are you? |
| 05:41.55 | fluffy_wolf | northern california. (the states, of course) |
| 05:42.04 | KB1FYR | your "last chainsaw" lol |
| 05:42.14 | KB1FYR | Scary. :P |
| 05:42.23 | fluffy_wolf | I buy chainsaws for projects... this one is being put into a giant-scale r/c car. |
| 05:42.28 | fluffy_wolf | 80ccs of 2-stroke goodness |
| 05:42.36 | KB1FYR | :D |
| 05:43.03 | fluffy_wolf | yesterday I bought a almost-working 12hp Briggs&Stratton from them... electric start, the works. $15. |
| 05:43.08 | KB1FYR | you could make a go-kart with that |
| 05:43.13 | KB1FYR | nice |
| 05:43.37 | fluffy_wolf | the 12hp briggs is for a relative's kart. the chainsaw is for the r/c car. :) |
| 05:44.06 | KB1FYR | I have an electric go-kart that I built out of a lawnmower after I removed the engine... |
| 05:44.19 | fluffy_wolf | this engine was off a riding mower |
| 05:44.20 | KB1FYR | 12HP briggs, never had any maintnance at all |
| 05:44.24 | KB1FYR | not even an oil change |
| 05:44.31 | fluffy_wolf | engines are, like many other things, $0.25/pound... |
| 05:44.36 | KB1FYR | it put the crank through the side of the cas >.< |
| 05:44.41 | KB1FYR | case* |
| 05:44.41 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 05:45.38 | fluffy_wolf | They deal mostly in scrap metal... I picked up some NICE aluminum there. Aluminum is more expensive, at $1.25/pound, but compared to retail, that's still a great deal. |
| 05:45.47 | KB1FYR | hmmm |
| 05:45.58 | KB1FYR | I havn't bought much al, so I'll take your word for it |
| 05:46.02 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 05:46.21 | fluffy_wolf | a piece of aluminum channel, weighing maybe 1 pound, is $15 locally... |
| 05:46.29 | KB1FYR | ouch |
| 05:46.51 | fluffy_wolf | I think I have all the metal I'll need to build the car, total cost about $50. |
| 05:46.57 | fluffy_wolf | with plenty of left-overs. |
| 05:47.15 | fluffy_wolf | I'm estimating a finished weight of about 50lbs for this car |
| 05:47.20 | fluffy_wolf | my last one weighed 45... |
| 05:47.49 | KB1FYR | there's my blog: http://kb1fyr.spymac.net/blog/ |
| 05:47.54 | KB1FYR | old blog actually |
| 05:48.05 | KB1FYR | lol |
| 05:48.13 | KB1FYR | Why not? |
| 05:48.32 | fluffy_wolf | because I'm not interested in what random people pulled out of their nose hair that morning. |
| 05:48.47 | KB1FYR | ha |
| 05:49.00 | KB1FYR | I like having one for my friends to see |
| 05:49.34 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 05:50.05 | KB1FYR | Bah, I was hoping I had a pic of my ekart on my blog, but I don;t |
| 05:50.19 | randyg | I should wear my ears and tail to the scrapyard someday... just to annoy people. would be worried about getting them muddy though. |
| 05:50.56 | randyg | somehow every time I go there, I end up covered in mud, oil, grease, and occasionally gasoline from head to toe |
| 05:51.25 | randyg | took 3 hours with a sawzall to extract the 12hp briggs yesterday... |
| 05:51.43 | randyg | every part of the mower was rusted together, ended up just cutting everything... |
| 05:51.54 | KB1FYR | http://forum.4hv.org/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=1278;start=msg12726#msg12726 |
| 05:52.01 | KB1FYR | ahah, there's a thread on my kart |
| 05:52.23 | KB1FYR | Your ears and tail? |
| 05:52.32 | randyg | apt: what is furry? |
| 05:52.33 | apt | [furry] a large portion of OSS developers. (a large portion of the rest of the population is furry too, for that matter). For more information on furry culture, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom |
| 05:54.13 | KB1FYR | I figured that's what you meant, but I wanted to clarify |
| 05:54.36 | randyg | probably should change that to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry (no _fandom)... need to rtfm the bot's manual first. :) |
| 05:54.38 | KB1FYR | http://forum.4hv.org/attachments/EGK.jpg |
| 05:54.48 | KB1FYR | there's one of my caps |
| 05:54.56 | randyg | lol |
| 05:55.02 | KB1FYR | heh, yeah |
| 05:55.14 | randyg | that's a motor run rated cap? :) |
| 05:55.22 | KB1FYR | lol |
| 05:55.27 | KB1FYR | nah, that's my filter cap |
| 05:55.32 | KB1FYR | the moter is 120VDC |
| 05:55.35 | KB1FYR | motor* |
| 05:55.48 | randyg | ah |
| 05:55.55 | KB1FYR | I was running it off the wall with a 15A bridge and a big cap |
| 05:56.11 | randyg | The only large electric work I've done is a giant-scale r/c car... 100-200 amps at 14.4v. |
| 05:56.27 | KB1FYR | cool |
| 05:56.34 | randyg | sec, I probably have a photo of that one somewhere. |
| 05:56.36 | KB1FYR | What do you use for radio and servo gear? |
| 05:57.23 | randyg | http://www.bushytails.net/r/dcp_0204.jpg <== being driven by my little brother, circa several years ago. all work since then has been gas. |
| 05:57.35 | randyg | no servos on that one... tank steering. |
| 05:57.45 | randyg | other ones I build my own servos using car windshield wiper motors. |
| 05:58.15 | KB1FYR | cool |
| 05:58.23 | randyg | that one was designed, if you can't see in the photo, to flip on demand... simply blip the sticks in the other direction to make it flip over. |
| 05:58.54 | KB1FYR | hmm |
| 05:59.08 | KB1FYR | I should put my motor on my bike :D |
| 05:59.13 | randyg | of course, it rode equally well inverted, and didn't really have a top/bottom.... |
| 05:59.15 | randyg | heh |
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| 05:59.31 | randyg | I helped someone build a gas mini-bike, but never an electric one. |
| 05:59.40 | KB1FYR | what were you using for batts? |
| 05:59.46 | randyg | I have a few car starter motors handy in case I decide to. |
| 06:00.06 | KB1FYR | Electrics are fun, you get the most torque at a standstill. With that little motor I can pull wheelies in my ekart |
| 06:00.07 | randyg | 24 ultra-heavy-duth 4Ah nicd D cells, wired for 8ah at 14.4v. |
| 06:00.30 | KB1FYR | that one is a treadmill motor, 2HP 1400rpm I think |
| 06:00.43 | KB1FYR | my batts are 10 12v wired in series :P |
| 06:00.54 | KB1FYR | slas |
| 06:01.30 | randyg | the thermal breaker trips at 100 amps... which happens if you spin in a circle for more than a second. you can't see them in the photo, but the bands around the wheels have 1" steel spikes coming from them... spinning in a circle digs up the ground, and puts a surprisingly large load on the motors. |
| 06:01.48 | KB1FYR | I need to get better steering on that thing so I can put a bigger pully on it and go faster |
| 06:01.55 | randyg | in order to steer, it has to dig the spikes _sideways_ in the dirt... lots of torque. |
| 06:02.01 | randyg | heh |
| 06:02.05 | KB1FYR | hehe, yeah |
| 06:02.07 | randyg | build a frame from scratch |
| 06:02.15 | randyg | much more fun |
| 06:02.17 | KB1FYR | I noticed the spikes... looks dangerous |
| 06:02.33 | KB1FYR | yeah, I was going to but UPS dropped my mig kit :'( |
| 06:02.52 | KB1FYR | I got a refund, but I havn't found another good deal yet |
| 06:03.00 | randyg | you can't drive it on-road... the spikes send chunks out of asphalt. I think its record was a hole 1" deep in the roadway... |
| 06:03.09 | KB1FYR | haha |
| 06:03.15 | randyg | don't want to know what would happen if they hit flesh at full rpm |
| 06:03.22 | KB1FYR | I do. |
| 06:03.28 | KB1FYR | :P |
| 06:03.45 | KB1FYR | er, I misread that |
| 06:03.58 | KB1FYR | though you said you didn't know, not you don't want to |
| 06:04.37 | randyg | the reason it does so much damage to the road is flipping... when you flip it (by reversing the sticks), the front (soon to be rear) wheels dig in hard to reverse the car, then the rear (soon to be front) wheels are slammed down hard... 50lbs slamming the spikes into the pavement, which due to being in the air during the flip, and spinning at no-load rpm... |
| 06:05.06 | KB1FYR | whee |
| 06:05.17 | KB1FYR | yeah, that would do it :P |
| 06:06.22 | randyg | it has a simple suspension, but still puts a lot of shock on everything... so far the only things that broke have been loose wires and a couple plastic flanges on the gearboxes. |
| 06:07.26 | randyg | I'm sure it would go through the flanges far slower if it weren't for the metal spikes. :) |
| 06:08.01 | KB1FYR | :P |
| 06:08.05 | randyg | the wheels _do not_ slip on solid ground... so when you go to flip it, the force of instantly reversing the car's momentum is put on them. |
| 06:08.27 | KB1FYR | http://www.americanroadshop.com/The_Monocycle/the_monocycle.html |
| 06:08.31 | KB1FYR | looks like fun :-) |
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| 06:08.51 | randyg | I've never gotten it stuck... it can climb any surface to pretty close to vertical (note the low CG, between the wheels), and if you do get it too steep (or try climbing a wall, which I've done on more than one occasion), it simply flips over backwards and tries again. |
| 06:09.16 | randyg | it can climb logs, etc twice its own height |
| 06:09.36 | randyg | since the front wheels dig into the side of it and pull the car upwards... |
| 06:09.51 | KB1FYR | heh |
| 06:10.15 | randyg | it was built for torque... I've stood on it. it doesn't slow down. :) |
| 06:10.19 | randyg | my current one is speed |
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| 06:10.38 | randyg | the 80cc chainsaw engine should get it to 50mph or so... |
| 06:10.51 | randyg | fully independent double-wishbone suspension |
| 06:11.05 | randyg | about a foot of suspension travel on each wheel. :) |
| 06:11.40 | KB1FYR | yay |
| 06:11.50 | randyg | yay? |
| 06:11.51 | KB1FYR | Do you have a mill to build stuff with? |
| 06:11.56 | randyg | nope, sadly |
| 06:12.07 | KB1FYR | Aww :-/ |
| 06:12.19 | KB1FYR | I have a bigass 2 ton Bridgeport |
| 06:12.26 | randyg | I do everything the old fashioned way... hand drill, dremel tool, and an angle grinder. |
| 06:12.29 | KB1FYR | it's not CNC, but it gets the job done |
| 06:13.14 | randyg | I was thinking emachineshop might be fun, but when I asked for any help writing a linux port of their client, they told me to sod off... |
| 06:13.32 | KB1FYR | lol |
| 06:14.07 | randyg | I could use a nice cnc mill. want to buy me one? :) |
| 06:14.52 | randyg | I've been tempted to build one... put my dremel tool on a XY table built out of printer parts... |
| 06:15.01 | KB1FYR | ick dremel |
| 06:15.28 | randyg | well, not dremel... the dremel-clone tool the local auto parts store sell for $7.99. :) |
| 06:15.30 | KB1FYR | A few of my friends have built CNC mills for making PCBs |
| 06:15.46 | KB1FYR | Don't expect to mill metal with it :P |
| 06:15.50 | randyg | heh |
| 06:16.01 | randyg | I once started on a rapid-prototyping machine |
| 06:16.17 | randyg | the type that sinters a powder successively in layers to make the object. |
| 06:16.41 | KB1FYR | http://sci-spot.com/ |
| 06:16.50 | randyg | of course, my plan of using a magnifier glass, a sunny day, and a gallon of hot chocolate mix didn't work too well, and I never got to make my edible-prototype machine. :) |
| 06:16.52 | KB1FYR | That site belongs to a friend of mine |
| 06:17.12 | KB1FYR | He's built (as you can see) a CNC mill and a 3d printer |
| 06:17.21 | KB1FYR | haha |
| 06:17.37 | Sam-I-Am | feh |
| 06:19.02 | KB1FYR | http://sci-spot.com/images/CNC/30zmotor.jpg |
| 06:19.03 | KB1FYR | lmao |
| 06:19.19 | randyg | I've been very tempted to make a hot-melt-glue prototyper... should be easy enough, and make good approximations of plastic parts. |
| 06:20.21 | randyg | http://sci-spot.com/Mechanical/vacu.htm <== I read a page on vacuum bondage beds the other day. looked more fun. :P |
| 06:21.11 | Sam-I-Am | feh! |
| 06:21.16 | Sam-I-Am | slowly getting tired |
| 06:23.35 | randyg | http://sci-spot.com/Mechanical/3dprinter.htm <== and how exactly did he avoid the cyanoacrylate (I know that's spelled wrong) from hardening with moisture in the air? do any of your friend's projects actually _work_? :) |
| 06:24.38 | randyg | seems like it would have to be in a seriously dehumidified environment... |
| 06:25.52 | randyg | I need to get to bed... if I'm lucky I can still get 5 hours of sleep. |
| 06:26.00 | randyg | have to get up way too early tomorrow |
| 06:27.02 | randyg | "<KB1FYR> I figured that's what you meant, but I wanted to clarify" how many non-furs have ears and a tail? :) |
| 06:32.27 | Sam-I-Am | eh |
| 06:32.32 | Sam-I-Am | sleep is optional |
| 06:32.45 | randyg | heh |
| 06:32.52 | Sam-I-Am | we're nerds! |
| 06:33.04 | KB1FYR | hehe |
| 06:33.20 | Sam-I-Am | we energize from sitting in front of monitors |
| 06:33.24 | Sam-I-Am | and caffiene |
| 06:33.45 | KB1FYR | And PIE. |
| 06:34.34 | randyg | no comment on the furry question, eh? :) |
| 06:35.01 | bioterror | would it be smart to have Mac OS partition and Linux partition and then boot to the Linux from Mac OS with BootX? |
| 06:35.35 | bioterror | I got this idea when I was washing the dishes ;) |
| 06:35.51 | Sam-I-Am | PIE eh |
| 06:36.55 | randyg | oh well. If you're not going to answer who else would have ears and a tail, I'm getting some sleep. :) |
| 06:37.03 | KB1FYR | Heh, I was just incredulous because I didn't think anyone would be serious about furry culture... No offence or anything, but I'm sure you can understand why I'd think it's odd. |
| 06:37.27 | Sam-I-Am | KB1FYR: i'm gonna assume you're a ham |
| 06:37.34 | KB1FYR | yup Sam-I-Am |
| 06:37.42 | KB1FYR | er, Sam-You-Are |
| 06:37.43 | Sam-I-Am | gee, i wonder how i figured that out :P |
| 06:37.47 | KB1FYR | :P |
| 06:37.51 | KB1FYR | hehe |
| 06:38.20 | Sam-I-Am | i also have a call |
| 06:38.25 | KB1FYR | cool |
| 06:38.37 | KB1FYR | What class? |
| 06:38.40 | Sam-I-Am | other facets of nerdness |
| 06:38.41 | Sam-I-Am | extra |
| 06:38.43 | KB1FYR | and what call? |
| 06:38.45 | KB1FYR | cool |
| 06:38.46 | Sam-I-Am | kg4feq |
| 06:38.55 | randyg | KB1FYR: there's many millions of furs worldwide... many conventions attended every year by thousands of people each... |
| 06:38.59 | KB1FYR | I'm working on code atm :-) |
| 06:39.03 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 06:39.14 | Sam-I-Am | randyg: psychedelic furs? |
| 06:39.15 | KB1FYR | I intend to use it as a main mode |
| 06:39.23 | randyg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Further_Confusion <== example |
| 06:39.40 | Sam-I-Am | i'm stuck renting right now, so i cant really get on the air. however, i'm moving into a real house in a month or so |
| 06:39.51 | KB1FYR | awesome |
| 06:39.53 | Sam-I-Am | i'll probably stick a vertical in the ground until i can afford tower |
| 06:40.11 | KB1FYR | I have a 2m vertical on my roof (I'm also on a hill) |
| 06:40.17 | Sam-I-Am | hills help |
| 06:40.19 | KB1FYR | only 5w, but I can get out 65 miles or so |
| 06:40.21 | randyg | if either of you are interested, I've got a couple GE 2m repeaters in the garage... |
| 06:40.24 | Sam-I-Am | you around new england somewhere? |
| 06:40.36 | KB1FYR | whee, awesome randyg |
| 06:40.40 | Sam-I-Am | mmmm |
| 06:40.42 | KB1FYR | Are you a ham too? |
| 06:40.42 | Sam-I-Am | master 2? |
| 06:40.45 | randyg | nope |
| 06:40.51 | randyg | I just have a lot of random stuff. :) |
| 06:40.56 | KB1FYR | I'm in Maine, if you were asking me |
| 06:41.00 | KB1FYR | whee |
| 06:41.00 | Sam-I-Am | yeah |
| 06:41.03 | Sam-I-Am | 1-land |
| 06:41.07 | Sam-I-Am | freezing your nuts off? |
| 06:41.09 | KB1FYR | yup |
| 06:41.14 | KB1FYR | lol, nah |
| 06:41.15 | Sam-I-Am | i was there in may - nice area |
| 06:41.18 | randyg | each one receives on one frequency while transmitting on another |
| 06:41.20 | Sam-I-Am | but i'd need electric nut warmers |
| 06:41.23 | KB1FYR | I'm up in my mole hole of a room :P |
| 06:41.39 | randyg | has knobs for delays and stuff like that |
| 06:41.52 | Sam-I-Am | spent a few days in bar harbor, rockport, camden... |
| 06:41.53 | KB1FYR | What are you willing to let those go for? |
| 06:41.59 | KB1FYR | cool |
| 06:42.04 | KB1FYR | I climb in Camden a lot |
| 06:42.13 | Sam-I-Am | mount megunticook? |
| 06:42.15 | Sam-I-Am | or whatever |
| 06:42.25 | randyg | 60's-70's vintage, one has minor physical damage (power switch and fuse holder broken, mic plug damaged), other looks like it should be able to be made to work. |
| 06:42.26 | KB1FYR | nah, Barrets cove cliff |
| 06:42.30 | KB1FYR | rock climbing |
| 06:42.33 | randyg | a few tubes, mostly solid state. |
| 06:42.39 | Sam-I-Am | tubes are nice |
| 06:42.40 | randyg | no clue on the power |
| 06:42.55 | KB1FYR | heh |
| 06:42.59 | Sam-I-Am | thermionic valves of goodness |
| 06:43.14 | KB1FYR | My local repeater got hit by lightning :'( |
| 06:43.18 | Sam-I-Am | crappy |
| 06:43.18 | KB1FYR | 200 foot tower |
| 06:43.37 | Sam-I-Am | i wonder if my neighbors would mind if i put up a 200 foot tower in the back yard |
| 06:43.38 | KB1FYR | I had been off air for a long while, and decided to get in on the nedt |
| 06:43.44 | randyg | they were dropped off at the scrapyard, still in a giant rack case... a couple of the screws sheered on one of the racks, which is what broke the couple parts on one of them. |
| 06:43.51 | KB1FYR | aftr an hour of silence I decided to check on the web |
| 06:44.02 | KB1FYR | I was surprised to find out what happened :P |
| 06:44.05 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 06:44.22 | Sam-I-Am | lightning has that effect |
| 06:44.25 | Sam-I-Am | zzzzap |
| 06:44.25 | randyg | right now they're tuned to some marine bands |
| 06:44.26 | KB1FYR | I'm currently into sats and microwaves |
| 06:44.28 | KB1FYR | lol |
| 06:44.36 | randyg | bbl, sleep. have to get up way too soon. |
| 06:44.46 | Sam-I-Am | i watched lightning blow a 2/70 fiberglass stick apart |
| 06:44.51 | KB1FYR | I'm building 2m and 70cm eggbeaters |
| 06:45.05 | KB1FYR | and I'm getting some 10GHz stuff |
| 06:45.10 | Sam-I-Am | mm' |
| 06:45.17 | KB1FYR | lightning is scary stuff.. |
| 06:45.19 | Sam-I-Am | i've never had time or money for microwaves |
| 06:45.24 | KB1FYR | good for pictures though |
| 06:45.30 | Sam-I-Am | but the new house has lots of room for a shack |
| 06:45.37 | KB1FYR | microwaves aren't too expencive |
| 06:45.49 | KB1FYR | About 5 bucks a yard |
| 06:45.52 | KB1FYR | :P |
| 06:45.55 | Sam-I-Am | ha |
| 06:46.11 | KB1FYR | I got two gunnplexers for 10.125GHz for about $30 |
| 06:46.19 | Sam-I-Am | cool |
| 06:46.22 | KB1FYR | and I have a 20mw klystron that I got free |
| 06:46.25 | Sam-I-Am | gunn diodes are interesting |
| 06:46.29 | KB1FYR | I can't remember the spec |
| 06:46.32 | KB1FYR | indeed, they are |
| 06:46.35 | KB1FYR | specs* |
| 06:46.54 | KB1FYR | http://www.altair.org/Qtunnel.htm |
| 06:46.55 | Sam-I-Am | i have a large green klystron that i use as a christmas tree |
| 06:47.12 | KB1FYR | I'm going to do some quantum tunneling with them before they're put to ham use |
| 06:47.17 | KB1FYR | hehe |
| 06:47.57 | KB1FYR | must be a biggun |
| 06:48.10 | KB1FYR | Any idea on what kind of power it puts out? |
| 06:48.15 | Sam-I-Am | not terribly, but enough to wrap christmas lights around |
| 06:48.26 | KB1FYR | heh |
| 06:48.27 | Sam-I-Am | weighs a little over 100 pounds |
| 06:48.44 | KB1FYR | Mine fits in my palm, so :P |
| 06:48.49 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 06:48.55 | Sam-I-Am | this is a few feet tall |
| 06:49.07 | KB1FYR | I intend to make an SSB transciever out of it |
| 06:49.12 | KB1FYR | for mountaintop QSOs |
| 06:49.27 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 06:49.30 | Sam-I-Am | welp, i'm off to bed |
| 06:49.37 | KB1FYR | yeah, I ought to sleep too |
| 06:49.39 | Sam-I-Am | bed = good |
| 06:49.40 | KB1FYR | g'night |
| 06:49.43 | Sam-I-Am | zzz |
| 06:49.47 | randyg | http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/p1010038.jpg <== mine |
| 06:50.24 | KB1FYR|SLEEP | What's that? |
| 06:50.28 | Sam-I-Am | randyg: you're supposed to be sleeping :P |
| 06:50.42 | randyg | if anyone wants them, bidding starts at $1000, and I'll throw in a duplexer and some splitters. :) |
| 06:50.42 | Sam-I-Am | looks like a repeater |
| 06:50.47 | randyg | KB1FYR|SLEEP: combiners |
| 06:50.56 | randyg | for connecting 16 transmitters to a single antenna |
| 06:51.04 | KB1FYR|SLEEP | oh |
| 06:51.06 | KB1FYR|SLEEP | meh |
| 06:51.08 | randyg | tuned cavities |
| 06:51.09 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 06:51.27 | randyg | hell, they're 100lbs of copper. they're worth half that in scrap metal. :) |
| 06:51.30 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 06:52.00 | randyg | I have a matching duplexer, and 4 8-way splitters |
| 06:52.05 | Sam-I-Am | zzzz |
| 06:52.17 | randyg | for connecting, not surprisingly, 16 transmitters and 32 receivers to an antenna. :) |
| 06:52.17 | KB1FYR|SLEEP | http://home.datacomm.ch/hb9abx/duplexer.html |
| 06:52.22 | randyg | bbl, sleep here too |
| 06:52.31 | KB1FYR|SLEEP | My sat duplexer is a lot simpler :P |
| 06:52.36 | KB1FYR|SLEEP | okay, sleep really |
| 06:53.14 | randyg | these are significantly fancier, I'd be willing to bet. :) |
| 06:53.17 | randyg | cyas |
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| 10:04.16 | mogul | hi my friends |
| 10:05.32 | mogul | i need java support on my ibook Debian |
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| 11:50.55 | nusse | mogul: install java:) |
| 11:53.21 | mogul | how? |
| 11:53.27 | mogul | on debian i found no sources |
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| 12:14.05 | Q-FUNK | java. yuck... |
| 12:15.29 | Bor_Ed | blackdown is apt-get'able |
| 12:19.05 | Q-FUNK | old version. still not good. |
| 12:20.30 | grivell | Or use Mac-on-Linux, and you get java/flash when you *need* it, and peace of mind when you don't :) |
| 12:43.23 | mogul | ok |
| 12:43.33 | mogul | but this is really boring |
| 12:43.44 | grivell | Why is that? |
| 12:44.00 | grivell | You want pure fun, try Battle for Wesnoth. |
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| 13:36.29 | Q-FUNK | Bor_Ed: http://www.digitoday.fi/showPage.php?page_id=9&news_id=40644 |
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| 13:37.08 | Q-FUNK | Bor_Ed: I can almost predict that keskusrikospoliisi will starts banning IRC. |
| 13:47.09 | Bor_Ed | Q-FUNK, that's dalnet, ircnet or quakenet :D |
| 13:47.33 | Q-FUNK | most likely ircnet. |
| 13:50.56 | arekm | anyone got suspend-to-disk/ram working in ibook g4 (1.2ghz)? |
| 13:51.53 | dj-death | yes |
| 13:51.57 | dj-death | arekm: I do |
| 13:52.16 | pahartik | arekm: it worked with patch on Linux 2.6.9 |
| 13:52.49 | dj-death | arekm: http://people.debian.org/~formorer/ppc/ go download ;) |
| 14:02.38 | arekm | afaik these patches were merged into latest 2.6.11bkX, did you try that? |
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| 14:17.36 | callipygous | hey |
| 14:18.06 | callipygous | i just wanted to apt-get the kernel source, and the latest kernel that apt-cache is showing me is 2.4.19!! |
| 14:21.39 | simonrvn | yes, it's called stable for a reason. |
| 14:21.43 | simonrvn | @+k-p |
| 14:21.48 | simonrvn | @+kp |
| 14:21.49 | ravenbird | i heard kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' |
| 14:22.32 | simonrvn | callipygous: you're about to get "spammed" by the bot, fair warning |
| 14:22.34 | simonrvn | @tell callipygous about kernel |
| 14:22.41 | callipygous | cheers |
| 14:23.05 | simonrvn | fetch the latest 2.4, and use ^^^ to build it |
| 14:23.15 | simonrvn | 2.6 won't build on woody |
| 14:23.27 | simonrvn | (not without a lot of hacking) |
| 14:23.27 | callipygous | thats okay, i don't think 2.6 will even run on my system |
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| 14:23.40 | simonrvn | what's the box? |
| 14:23.47 | callipygous | 7200 |
| 14:23.59 | simonrvn | it would |
| 14:24.12 | callipygous | oh well, its unnecessary |
| 14:24.14 | simonrvn | @kernel |
| 14:24.22 | callipygous | 2.4 is fine |
| 14:24.23 | simonrvn | :) |
| 14:24.32 | simonrvn | woops, wrong factoid |
| 14:24.36 | bioterror | I'm installing now Woody on 8200/120 ;D |
| 14:24.40 | bioterror | ahhh it's ready ;D |
| 14:24.41 | callipygous | all ravenbird spammed me was "simonrvn wants you to know: *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL*, not KERNAL" |
| 14:24.47 | simonrvn | yeh, wrong one :/ |
| 14:24.48 | callipygous | and don't worry, I know how its spelt :P |
| 14:25.02 | simonrvn | do @kernel, and it should tell you the latest |
| 14:25.12 | callipygous | @kernel |
| 14:25.21 | simonrvn | The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.10; The latest 2.4 version of the Linux kernel is: 2.4.29 |
| 14:25.33 | simonrvn | *that's* the stuff i meant :) |
| 14:25.33 | callipygous | yeah, okay, is there some reason tho that 2.4.19 is the lastest avilable/ |
| 14:25.43 | callipygous | oh yeah, i know that stuff |
| 14:25.58 | simonrvn | because it's woody. security before new "features" |
| 14:26.09 | callipygous | ok |
| 14:26.13 | simonrvn | (actually, no new stuff gets in at all) |
| 14:26.30 | callipygous | thats alright, tho I thought that security would have improved from 19 - 29 |
| 14:26.57 | simonrvn | the kernels you fetch are always patched, so they're up to date, just old |
| 14:26.58 | callipygous | i didn't think 2.4 kernels were getting any new stuff. just fixes anyway...but i may be wrong |
| 14:27.14 | callipygous | i thought that might be the case |
| 14:27.19 | simonrvn | the *install* kernels are the ones you should worry about |
| 14:27.23 | callipygous | any reason to run 2.4 on a 7200? over 2.2 ? |
| 14:27.30 | callipygous | *install*? |
| 14:27.39 | simonrvn | 2.4 will run faster than 2.2, period |
| 14:27.55 | callipygous | ok |
| 14:27.58 | callipygous | what about 2.6? |
| 14:28.02 | callipygous | if you said it should ru |
| 14:28.03 | callipygous | n |
| 14:28.08 | simonrvn | *install* means "accent on the word install" |
| 14:28.23 | simonrvn | won't build on woody |
| 14:29.17 | callipygous | oh yes, but if i wasn't running woody, say if i updated it to sarge or something |
| 14:29.31 | callipygous | which i doubt i'd do, just curious |
| 14:29.54 | nusse | why do you want to run 2.6 on 7500? |
| 14:30.24 | callipygous | 7200 :P |
| 14:30.29 | callipygous | i don't know, i don't even think I do |
| 14:30.40 | callipygous | im just wondering if there are any reasons why somebody would |
| 14:31.00 | callipygous | damn the scsi drive in this thing makes a high pitched noise |
| 14:31.17 | nusse | eheh, think about backups |
| 14:31.35 | simonrvn | various reasons. mostly because it's a workstation, and not a server. 2.6 isn't stable enough for servers |
| 14:31.36 | callipygous | you serious? |
| 14:31.46 | simonrvn | @backups |
| 14:31.47 | ravenbird | I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other me's in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other me's in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. |
| 14:32.08 | callipygous | i keep backups |
| 14:32.10 | simonrvn | @+unix lessons |
| 14:32.10 | ravenbird | extra, extra, read all about it, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when |
| 14:32.11 | grivell | simonrvn: 2.6 is plenty stable if you use Debian sources. At least uptime wise. |
| 14:32.15 | callipygous | except haven't backed up that system |
| 14:32.22 | callipygous | since i just installed it and there is nothing on it |
| 14:32.24 | grivell | But I guess it depends what you do. |
| 14:32.26 | simonrvn | *debian* kernels, yes. not mainline |
| 14:32.44 | grivell | Why would anyone use mainline? |
| 14:32.53 | nusse | simonrvn: was cut after (11) here |
| 14:33.00 | simonrvn | because they're crazy like i am |
| 14:33.04 | grivell | lol |
| 14:33.10 | simonrvn | ...when you don't need to |
| 14:33.18 | callipygous | good advice |
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| 14:33.33 | callipygous | was that backup in response to the high pitched SCSI drive? |
| 14:33.40 | grivell | callipygous: yep |
| 14:33.45 | callipygous | dang |
| 14:33.49 | callipygous | any idea what it could be? |
| 14:33.57 | callipygous | they weren't just like that back then? |
| 14:34.10 | grivell | Get a USB hd enclosure, then get a HD for it. Cheap. And nice backup :) |
| 14:34.12 | callipygous | ive never had a 10 year old SCSI drive, not even 10 years ago when they were new |
| 14:34.12 | simonrvn | callipygous: some are |
| 14:34.26 | callipygous | its a Quantum |
| 14:34.30 | simonrvn | i have 2 noisy ones in this thing |
| 14:34.36 | simonrvn | yeh, those are noisy |
| 14:34.48 | simonrvn | seagate barracudas are too |
| 14:34.52 | callipygous | like high pitched like a fan? |
| 14:34.58 | callipygous | what seagates?? nah they are quiet as! |
| 14:35.07 | callipygous | its those fscking WDs that are noisy pricks! |
| 14:35.19 | simonrvn | 9 GB barracudas are ome of the loudest things i've ever heard |
| 14:35.45 | simonrvn | i've had 3 =) |
| 14:35.50 | callipygous | ooh 9GB, ive never owned a 9 GB one |
| 14:35.56 | callipygous | just 20GB and now an 80GB |
| 14:36.07 | callipygous | which were nice |
| 14:36.11 | simonrvn | 20 GB SCSI? godam |
| 14:36.15 | simonrvn | $$$ |
| 14:36.23 | callipygous | that 40GB WB i had inbetween, has now been moved to a backup |
| 14:36.26 | callipygous | no, IDE |
| 14:36.31 | simonrvn | aah. ok |
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| 14:37.13 | callipygous | where you from? |
| 14:37.21 | simonrvn | .ca |
| 14:37.26 | callipygous | ok |
| 14:37.38 | callipygous | hmm last time i ran debianppc i remember it being a lot slower than this |
| 14:37.43 | simonrvn | that's CCTLD, not .ca.us ;) |
| 14:37.43 | callipygous | its quite fast this time around |
| 14:37.49 | callipygous | CCTLD? |
| 14:38.00 | simonrvn | countrycode top-level domain |
| 14:38.28 | simonrvn | @cctld |
| 14:38.29 | ravenbird | cctld is probably ask me about tld or at http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld-whois.html. |
| 14:39.15 | callipygous | hhaa don't worry about itt |
| 14:41.27 | callipygous | fark |
| 14:41.36 | callipygous | i just wanted to know what you were on |
| 14:41.59 | simonrvn | currently typing from a power tower pro |
| 14:42.29 | callipygous | power tower pro? |
| 14:42.55 | simonrvn | man ppc clone |
| 14:42.59 | simonrvn | mac* |
| 14:43.11 | callipygous | oh okay |
| 14:43.18 | callipygous | what were the clones like? |
| 14:43.45 | chrisa | Who wants to upload an osx 10.3 iso for me so I can replace my damaged one? |
| 14:43.49 | chrisa | Don't all volunteer at once |
| 14:44.08 | simonrvn | some suck, and some are nice. this one has a nice big case, and the mobo is modelled on the 95/9600 |
| 14:44.55 | callipygous | im kinda glad apple stopped it |
| 14:45.12 | callipygous | cus yeah, don't want them going the road of Pee'c |
| 14:45.43 | simonrvn | i'm not. they got scared. there was a lot of innovation (which apple took on to a certain extent only) |
| 14:46.32 | callipygous | yeah, i dunno, i just didn't want cheap crappy hardware |
| 14:46.58 | callipygous | pee'c's are lacking in quality control i reckon |
| 14:47.06 | callipygous | but anyway, thats my opionion, and i'll stop now |
| 14:47.18 | simonrvn | that's ok |
| 14:50.53 | callipygous | hmm make config requires ncurses |
| 14:50.57 | callipygous | seems i don't have it installed |
| 14:51.08 | callipygous | which ncurses package? |
| 14:51.45 | simonrvn | libncurses5-dev |
| 14:51.53 | callipygous | gah ok, thanks |
| 14:52.15 | callipygous | your good |
| 14:55.37 | grivell | Of course he is, he lives here ;) |
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| 14:55.59 | simonrvn | haha |
| 15:04.11 | nusse | why are precompiled kernels working just fine, while selfcompiled kernels are oopsing around? |
| 15:04.15 | nusse | on an 8600 |
| 15:10.11 | grivell | Perhaps different sources used? Did you use Debian sources? |
| 15:10.20 | grivell | Also, maybe use their .config's. |
| 15:12.02 | simonrvn | code differences likely |
| 15:12.15 | simonrvn | debian kernels are always patched |
| 15:12.25 | nusse | i used a vanilla kernel on my 7500 and it worked always fine |
| 15:12.32 | simonrvn | (usually rather nicely IMO) |
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| 15:13.28 | simonrvn | could be hardware, but if it's the same version, and the same .config, on the same machine, and one doesn't work well, and one does, then it's the patches making it work correctly |
| 15:15.09 | callipygous | im making a really bare kernel with just what i need |
| 15:15.18 | callipygous | i wonder if i'll be able to tell a performance difference |
| 15:18.34 | grivell | callipygous: Modules are slower than built-in. Should be faster, but feeling it is a different story :) |
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| 15:21.39 | callipygous | im building everything in-kernel |
| 15:21.58 | callipygous | ummm make dep; |
| 15:22.02 | callipygous | then comes make? |
| 15:22.09 | callipygous | haha been a while since ive built a 2.4 |
| 15:25.10 | nusse | use the debian way of life |
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| 15:37.29 | a_monkey | yay! now there's nothing wrong with my internet connection. as speedy as ever! |
| 15:39.43 | grivell | hey hey a_monkey |
| 15:43.15 | a_monkey | hi grivell |
| 15:45.31 | a_monkey | http://weboso.deviantart.com/ <-- that dude has got some sweet icons |
| 15:45.39 | a_monkey | i love the firefox and tbird icons |
| 15:47.07 | a_monkey | they're really shiny. almost too shiny. the shininess burns my retinas |
| 15:55.58 | grivell | nice icons |
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| 18:31.33 | bioterror | I have PowerMac 8200/120. is kernel-image-2.6.9-powermac working one? |
| 18:32.06 | Bor_Ed | if it works, yup |
| 18:32.27 | bioterror | but that is the one wich should work |
| 18:32.29 | bioterror | ? |
| 18:32.36 | bioterror | or is 2.4 better? |
| 18:32.53 | Bor_Ed | 2.4 works generally better from debian built kernels |
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| 18:59.04 | estragon | hello from france |
| 19:03.25 | Petro | Hey, same here, I live in Grenoble, you? |
| 19:03.58 | estragon | in nice |
| 19:04.36 | Petro | ok |
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| 19:46.13 | simonrvn | 4as if your hostnames don't give it away enough ;) |
| 19:49.40 | Curalton | yay for broken reverse DNS ;-) |
| 19:49.42 | Bor_Ed | Piru, watching ariane-5 launch ? |
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| 19:51.44 | Petro | Bor_Ed: Yep |
| 19:51.54 | Petro | Does it run linux? |
| 19:52.51 | Piru | bor_ed, doh. thanks :) |
| 19:52.55 | simonrvn | Curalton: heh |
| 19:53.05 | Bor_Ed | Piru, euronews shoots live shots too between news |
| 19:53.36 | Piru | no telly next to me. or rather, no antenna in the room |
| 19:53.54 | Piru | I've got dvb-t card, even. damn. should get that antenna cable :) |
| 19:54.03 | Bor_Ed | and I don't have bandwidth to keep nasatv up :/ |
| 19:54.27 | pahartik | Piru: it is not on YLE24, i think |
| 19:54.42 | Bor_Ed | dvb-t ? doesn't those work with some T shaped piece of wire ? |
| 19:54.55 | Piru | no |
| 19:55.02 | Piru | t is for terrestial |
| 19:55.16 | Bor_Ed | yea, that's what I though... it isn't too picky on the S/N |
| 19:55.27 | Piru | well, works ok here, at least |
| 19:55.41 | Piru | and the antenna didn't require any boosting, either |
| 19:56.51 | Piru | hm hm. where's the feed? |
| 19:57.23 | Bor_Ed | I just spotted the launch countdown on euronews live... esa site could shoot broadcast to net |
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| 19:58.05 | pahartik | Piru: i have not got LinuxTV-DVB drivers working with Linux 2.6, only 2.4... and i recently i have not been able to try 2.6 since Advansys SCSI support is broken on 2.6 |
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| 20:08.40 | bchoward | I've been trying to get sarge to work on an old Rev-A imac. When I install with the 2.6 kernel, it get -3 errors decompressing, and runaway loop modprobe errors,..... when I go with the 2.4 kernel, I get INIT: Id "x" respawning too fase: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 20:08.47 | bchoward | Anyone have a workaroudn for either of these errors? |
| 20:09.46 | bchoward | btw - you guys really should sell t-shirts with "Debian on PPC - the neverending IQ test" |
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| 20:10.20 | pahartik | bchoward: do either of those stop you from installing? |
| 20:10.37 | bchoward | pahartik: yes - both prevent the installed system from finishing boot |
| 20:10.45 | nusse | t-shirt selling is one of the things i dont like. all these ugly guys/girls with ,,unix is sexy`` shirts. |
| 20:11.18 | bchoward | nusse: true. |
| 20:11.41 | grivell | nusse: I like the geek chicks. |
| 20:11.47 | bchoward | nusse: I just think that your slogan is such a perfect expression of the experience |
| 20:11.59 | grivell | Rather have a brain that lasts, then looks that dissipate. |
| 20:12.01 | bchoward | it really is a neverending iq test |
| 20:12.14 | nusse | bchoward: its not my slogan, i dont belogn here. but true. |
| 20:13.50 | pahartik | bchoward: that message from "init" means it for some reason could not open terminal devices... |
| 20:13.53 | bchoward | debian stable works fine, but the packages are so damn old |
| 20:14.23 | nusse | sarge works well too, imho. youll just have to look a bit more after it |
| 20:14.46 | bchoward | pahartik: when I boot in single-user and run getty 38400 tty1, for example, it runs for about 20 seconds and then terminates with no error message, and nothin g in the syslog |
| 20:15.08 | bchoward | nusse: I really would like to get sarge running, but both of these problems are show-stoppers |
| 20:15.38 | pahartik | bchoward: you have got serial port installed on your iMac? |
| 20:15.44 | a_monkey | http://seb.france.free.fr/linux/ibookG4/iBookG4-howto-6.html#ss6.1 <-- where do i select powermac and stop-procs? |
| 20:16.00 | bchoward | pahartik: it's only an imac, so I have usb, but no serial adaptor and no serial ports |
| 20:16.51 | bchoward | a_monkey: sound is disabled in the kernel |
| 20:17.55 | a_monkey | bchoward: huh? so i'm supposed to enable it? how? |
| 20:18.03 | bchoward | pahartik: those entries in inittab create the virtual terminals... the serial gettys (ttyS0, etc) are commented out |
| 20:18.04 | hhstnoc | modconf |
| 20:18.07 | pahartik | bchoward: my virtual consoles are "vc/1, vc/2, vc/3, [...]" |
| 20:18.23 | bchoward | a_monkey: oh... I thought you were giving me an answer |
| 20:18.31 | a_monkey | no |
| 20:18.37 | bchoward | a_monkey: when you apt-get that package, did a configuration screen come up? |
| 20:18.53 | a_monkey | nope |
| 20:19.06 | bchoward | pahartik: that's how there's specified in your inittab? |
| 20:20.14 | pahartik | bchoward: yes, but i think i changed them after installing |
| 20:21.14 | pahartik | bchoward: (since i pretty much prefer devfs/udev) |
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| 20:21.49 | bchoward | pahartik: so could you maybe paste me a line from your inittab starting up those consoles? |
| 20:22.10 | bchoward | pahartik: I assume using devfs/udev is a kernel option though, so I would have to recompile again to support htat |
| 20:23.04 | a_monkey | anybody know what the author means by "Select powermac (PowerMac)" and "Select stop-procs"? |
| 20:23.13 | a_monkey | select it *where*? |
| 20:23.30 | MacSociety | Hi, need Debian install help for a Apple G5. Downloaded and installed the newest Sarge install for PPC and created my bootable CD. G5 boots fine from CD, I typed install-power4 at prompt, I get the graphical installer screen, but now this installer does not see my keyboard so I can't make selections. Tried apple and Macally keyboard, same issue. Is this Sarge not for a G5? |
| 20:23.32 | pahartik | bchoward: sure, but i do not know if that helps you... "1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 vc/1" |
| 20:23.57 | bchoward | a_monkey: sorry - I dont' know |
| 20:24.26 | a_monkey | bchoward, np |
| 20:24.34 | bchoward | MacSociety: aren't you supposed to use powerpc with the g5, not power4? |
| 20:24.40 | bchoward | MacSociety: I could be wrong |
| 20:24.47 | bchoward | pahartik: thanks - I'll give that a try |
| 20:25.02 | MacSociety | That is not what the instructions on that boot page show. It says power4 for G5. |
| 20:25.26 | MacSociety | power3 for G3 and G4, power 4 for G5 |
| 20:25.53 | MacSociety | Anyone here running Sarge on their G5? |
| 20:26.26 | pahartik | MacSociety: i would be surprised if "power3" worked for Macintosh computers |
| 20:26.36 | bchoward | MacSociety: I'm pretty sure that power3 is for MCA-style rs6k architecture |
| 20:26.40 | MacSociety | So far every Linux I have downloaded will not install or if it does, not run. Bummed. Ubuntu Hoary was the closest. Installs fine but will not launch. So, I am trying debian now with no luck. |
| 20:26.57 | bchoward | MacSociety: Power4 is for IBM RS6k machines that use power4 based powerpc chips |
| 20:27.07 | bchoward | you should try just using hte install or expert option |
| 20:27.17 | bchoward | which will implicitly run install-powerpc |
| 20:27.18 | MacSociety | same thing on those also. |
| 20:27.20 | bchoward | which I think is what you want |
| 20:27.39 | bchoward | MacSociety: the keyboard won't work on those iether? |
| 20:27.40 | MacSociety | Directions on that boot screen clearly state what installs are for what. That is what is strange. |
| 20:27.53 | MacSociety | I tried all the options. |
| 20:28.16 | bchoward | MacSociety: and the problem is that the keyboard doesn't work? |
| 20:28.24 | bchoward | oor that it won't boot |
| 20:28.52 | MacSociety | nope. That was the same issue I had on the Ubuntu 4.10 CD I got in the mail so someone had me download the Hoary CD and that installs fine, just does not work. So, now I am trying Debian. |
| 20:29.42 | MacSociety | Keyboard does not allow me to select my install options so I can't install. First question t has is what language and since no keyboard, can't do dittly |
| 20:29.52 | bchoward | ahh... |
| 20:30.01 | bchoward | so you can't use the keyboard during the install, not after the install.. |
| 20:30.02 | bchoward | right |
| 20:30.04 | MacSociety | Install boots but loses keyboard so install will not do anything. |
| 20:30.07 | bchoward | you never get to install |
| 20:30.09 | bchoward | ok |
| 20:30.19 | MacSociety | correct |
| 20:30.25 | bchoward | as the install kernel is loading, does it say anything about hte keyboard? |
| 20:30.51 | MacSociety | Man, I would sure like to get Linux working. So far, YDL, Ubuntu, and Debian, all no go. |
| 20:31.22 | MacSociety | no messages I can see about keyboard issues but of course, everything goes so fats on the screen. |
| 20:31.35 | MacSociety | fast that it |
| 20:32.07 | grivell | Does anyone here have a G5? |
| 20:32.27 | grivell | I have iBook G4 and MacMini G4. So I can't help you :) |
| 20:32.47 | bchoward | MacSociety: sorry - I'd google around for linux on g5 stuff |
| 20:32.52 | MacSociety | OK, well it was worth a peek into this IRC. Maybe I can try again sometime. |
| 20:33.03 | MacSociety | see ya |
| 20:33.06 | grivell | c'ya |
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| 20:35.51 | pahartik | bchoward: have you got "/var/log/dmesg" of failed boot? |
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| 21:57.10 | jcm | hi, running unstable/2.6.7-powerpc on a pismo, with a dvd burner seen as hdd, how can I get i seen to burn with nautilus-cd-burner ? is there another better way to burn ? |
| 21:57.45 | Bor_Ed | set the cd burner to scan ATAPI: bus |
| 21:57.52 | Bor_Ed | should find the writer |
| 21:58.21 | grivell | Likely suspect. 0,0,0 or 0,1,0 |
| 22:00.01 | Bor_Ed | cdrecord -dev=ATAPI: -scanbus or so could give some results instead of suspects though |
| 22:03.46 | jcm | thks, didn't knwo this option -dev=ATAPI: |
| 22:03.55 | jcm | yet cdrecord sees it, it's a progress ;-) |
| 22:03.55 | Bor_Ed | np |
| 22:04.15 | jcm | do you think i can burn from cdrecord though its warning about > 2.5 kernels ? |
| 22:04.21 | xbaez | hello |
| 22:04.38 | Bor_Ed | I burn on cdrecord on 2.6.11-rc3 with no probs |
| 22:04.58 | jcm | even dvds ? |
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| 22:05.12 | Bor_Ed | I have only 52x cd-rw on this box :I |
| 22:07.10 | a_monkey | i configured a printer using gnome's "Printer" system tool. but when i tried to print a test page, nothing happened! |
| 22:15.05 | jcm | nautilus seems to try to open /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info; I have no such thing in /proc/sys/dev/ |
| 22:15.14 | jcm | how can it be created ? |
| 22:16.20 | Bor_Ed | sounds like fancy devfsd, udev or such device |
| 22:16.23 | demon | I have it on my powerbook... do you actually have a CD-ROM drive in the system in question? |
| 22:16.48 | demon | no, it's exported by the kernel driver with some metadata about the device capabilities |
| 22:17.09 | demon | spped, number of slots, what kind of media it can read/write |
| 22:17.35 | Bor_Ed | so it seems to do |
| 22:17.41 | jcm | i have a dvd burner in the right bay. Recognized by osx. I try to have it under debian/gnome |
| 22:18.54 | jcm | demon: is there some module to load ? |
| 22:19.19 | demon | what kernel are you using? I'm running the packaged 2.6.8-powerpc kernel here |
| 22:19.32 | jcm | 2.6.7-powerpc |
| 22:19.37 | jcm | i can upgrade :-) |
| 22:20.49 | jcm | last one available seems to be 2.6.9 |
| 22:20.55 | demon | hm... I didn't think that was new as of 2.6.8... maybe it's a build option that they enabled out of box with the 2.6.8 kernel |
| 22:23.16 | jcm | i found some people speaking of modules like 'dg' or 'sr_mod' |
| 22:23.45 | jcm | but I don't know if they are related to ide/scsi that's deprecated since 2.6 if i understood correctly |
| 22:24.31 | demon | that's not from the ide-scsi stuff, afaik it's from the generic CD-ROM driver layer |
| 22:24.54 | jcm | do you have such modules on your pwb ? |
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