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| 12:34.35 | simonrvn | svenl: ok |
| 12:43.30 | svenl | simonrvn: but we need to go after this problem. I am maybe not best suited for it, but will try to find the time to follow it in details. |
| 12:43.32 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 15:53.10 | binbrain | I just want to record video of desktop actions |
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| 17:20.05 | Bor_Ed | new build on X but still not xorg :o |
| 17:22.33 | Petro | I just built the new xorg on my iBook, works fine |
| 17:22.57 | Bor_Ed | got apt-get'able address for it yet ? :) |
| 17:23.18 | Bor_Ed | well, I can wait for deb to release it too really |
| 17:23.26 | Petro | nope, I think I broke my dpkg system by doing it with out removing xfree but oh well |
| 17:23.58 | Petro | I feel like a dirty "make install" whore now |
| 17:24.14 | Bor_Ed | mmmmm |
| 17:24.31 | Bor_Ed | make install, the joy of fscking up the sys :) |
| 17:24.47 | Petro | yeah lol, might as well switch to LFS |
| 17:24.48 | Bor_Ed | though it ain't as bad as 'emerge' :P |
| 17:25.09 | Petro | I tried out gentoo and I just got sick of waiting for KDE to build |
| 17:25.43 | Bor_Ed | you should've emerged mozilla and openoffice.org at the same time... couple of weeks of compile on powerfull box |
| 17:26.39 | Petro | lol, I think I would have ctrl-c'ed five minutes into it |
| 17:27.51 | Petro | There really is no advantage in recompiling for PPC, mostly an x86 thing from what I understood of it |
| 17:28.29 | DelTree | s/for PPC// ; s/an x86/a stupid/ |
| 17:30.09 | Bor_Ed | well if you compile with -mcpu, there could be some small advantage on some apps, not enought to mention though |
| 17:32.11 | Piru | very minimal |
| 17:32.32 | Piru | real diff comes from making use of altivec etc |
| 17:32.42 | DelTree | Bor_Ed: you might get something from compiling glibc and a few major libs... but otherwise it's really somewhere between epsilon and bullshit... |
| 17:32.46 | Bor_Ed | yea, though so too... maybe on some fpu intensive apps (like pornview) but can't see any other apps really |
| 17:33.40 | Bor_Ed | I notice some diff with 603ev/200 and 750/233 though... 750 is twice as fast on seti WU's |
| 17:35.08 | pahartik | Piru: i build at least kernels and compression libraries/utilities and media players with appropriate "-mcpu=" (603e, 604e, 7400) |
| 17:36.13 | simonrvn | pahartik: those are the kind of thing where it does count. that and kernel. libc6, crypto, cpu intensive apps, and the kernel are the only things where it does matter |
| 17:36.26 | Petro | can I force a .deb to overwrite files? |
| 17:36.49 | simonrvn | Petro: put it this way: xorg's ati driver is more stable |
| 17:37.03 | simonrvn | hence this box doesn't crash (so often ;) |
| 17:37.12 | Petro | I thought the video drivers were in the kernel and not the xserver!? |
| 17:37.19 | pahartik | simonrvn: i would like to build custom "libc6" packages too but it has been too tricky so far |
| 17:37.22 | simonrvn | not those drivers, the x drivers |
| 17:37.41 | Petro | which ones count for netpanzer ? |
| 17:37.50 | simonrvn | there's 2 sets, the one(s) in your kernel, and the other in the xserver libs |
| 17:38.45 | simonrvn | for x, the ones that matter more are its own drivers. they do interact with the kernel drivers |
| 17:39.33 | simonrvn | ubuntu isn't so bad, i'm just wondering how long the co. supprting it will do so |
| 17:39.51 | simonrvn | hey, i taught myself, and from getting taught from others ;) |
| 17:40.23 | simonrvn | pahartik: libc6 and the toolchain are very tricky to do right |
| 17:40.52 | simonrvn | things like tpkg (dpkg-cross) and other stuff hide a lot of the complexity |
| 17:42.23 | Petro | simonrvn: where the hell do you d/l ubuntu .debs? |
| 17:42.42 | simonrvn | one of their mirrors. found it on their wiki |
| 17:44.40 | Petro | aha |
| 17:45.49 | simonrvn | i manually downloaded the debs... their universe stuff is confusing |
| 17:45.58 | Petro | can I "convert" my current debian distro to ubuntu |
| 17:46.17 | simonrvn | *shudder* - i wouldn't bother... |
| 17:46.19 | DelTree | why would you do that ? |
| 17:46.40 | Petro | because I have manually d/l dependencies |
| 17:47.05 | Petro | hate* |
| 17:47.43 | simonrvn | safer, IMO. and if you know what you need, doesn't matter |
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| 18:08.27 | Petro | xorg-common conflicts with xfree86-common, how do I override? |
| 18:11.44 | simonrvn | yes. judicious use of --auto-deconfiugre and --remove |
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| 18:12.12 | simonrvn | s/fiugre/figure/ |
| 18:28.59 | Petro | ok |
| 18:29.26 | Petro | How do you upgrade afterwards? |
| 18:29.56 | simonrvn | you keep an eye out for updates ;) |
| 18:30.55 | Petro | humm I'm more and more tempted to ditch debian |
| 18:31.18 | simonrvn | for one set of packages? that's a lame reason, frankly |
| 18:31.44 | simonrvn | not calling *you* lame, FYI |
| 18:32.08 | Petro | lol, I don't see much advantage in staying with debian |
| 18:32.58 | simonrvn | i do, but they're for technical reasons, and old fartageness. other reasons too |
| 18:33.50 | simonrvn | wouldn't be happy with anything else, even though in some respects a like ubuntu's philosophy |
| 18:34.01 | simonrvn | s/a like/i like/ |
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| 18:41.59 | scott_ | what would be the best wifi card to buy for a powerbook 12"? the one it comes w/ doesn't work in linux, and it doesn't have a PC card slot, so I'm wondering which usb one to get, or are there firewire ones? |
| 18:42.57 | Stereo | good question |
| 18:43.07 | Stereo | I thought the built-in one was more or less supoprted |
| 18:43.11 | Stereo | supported even |
| 18:43.17 | Stereo | ask in #wireless maybe? |
| 18:45.08 | dj-death | apple airport extreme isnt supported |
| 18:45.34 | dj-death | and wont for a while |
| 18:46.03 | dj-death | you cant buy dlink usb or netgear |
| 18:46.15 | dj-death | I dont remember which model |
| 18:46.17 | scott_ | dj-death, they don't work in linux? |
| 18:46.29 | dj-death | they work with wlan-ng drivers |
| 18:46.38 | dj-death | scott_: only with macosX |
| 18:46.59 | scott_ | I need something that will work in linux, since in macosx I'll already have the airport extreme |
| 18:47.37 | dj-death | that's what I'm telling you |
| 18:48.40 | scott_ | do I understand you right, you're telling me airport extreme, dlink usb and netgear don't work in linux? |
| 18:48.50 | scott_ | or was that cant supposed to be can? |
| 18:49.11 | sxpert-carpc | scott_: airport extreme is made of stupid broadcom hardware |
| 18:49.45 | dj-death | scott_: oups |
| 18:49.56 | dj-death | scott_: I said "you cant buy" |
| 18:50.04 | dj-death | scott_: I mean "you can buy" |
| 18:50.44 | dj-death | I sell my airport card 2 days ago |
| 18:50.49 | scott_ | dj-death, are you sure they work in linux? |
| 18:51.20 | dj-death | scott_: have look at google |
| 18:51.35 | dj-death | scott_: a lot of people are asking the same questions |
| 18:52.03 | dj-death | scott_: you will find usb cards references |
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| 20:42.35 | kikov | hi... do someone know if it's posible installing Debian on an external usb hdd without breaking the MacOsX installed in primary hdd? |
| 20:42.42 | kikov | where can I find info about that? |
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| 21:00.45 | a_monkey | since XFree86 just clearly doesn't seem to work with my system, would recompiling it myself be a solution? |
| 21:01.21 | Q-FUNK | a_monkey: unlikely |
| 21:01.45 | Q-FUNK | trying the x.org server from the ubuntu package repository might be a more practical solution. |
| 21:02.05 | a_monkey | how do i do that? |
| 21:02.41 | dj-death | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main |
| 21:02.45 | dj-death | in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:02.53 | a_monkey | thx |
| 21:03.04 | dj-death | apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 21:03.11 | Q-FUNK | make sure you first pin debian packages with a higher priority! |
| 21:03.24 | a_monkey | then apt-get remove xserver-xfree86? |
| 21:04.18 | a_monkey | should i remove xserver-xfree86? |
| 21:05.02 | Q-FUNK | dj-death: does that server conflict with other xserver-* packages? |
| 21:06.00 | dj-death | no |
| 21:06.06 | dj-death | i did test |
| 21:06.27 | dj-death | it's like installing the dri-trunk server |
| 21:06.51 | Q-FUNK | ah |
| 21:06.55 | a_monkey | so i should leave xfree86 on my system? |
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| 21:08.21 | Q-FUNK | can, not should |
| 21:08.41 | a_monkey | after that, how do i configure my system to use x.org instead of xfree? |
| 21:11.34 | dj-death | I think it's done by default |
| 21:11.54 | dj-death | installing ubuntu pkgs makes change /etc/X11/X link |
| 21:12.01 | a_monkey | ok, also, how do i pin debian packages w/ a higher priority? |
| 21:13.09 | dj-death | debian pkg have differents names |
| 21:14.47 | a_monkey | huh? |
| 21:15.13 | dj-death | xserver pkg is named xserver-xorg |
| 21:15.21 | dj-death | instead of xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:15.26 | dj-death | etc... |
| 21:17.35 | a_monkey | but what's "pinning" debian packages with a "higher priority" |
| 21:19.18 | dj-death | i dont know |
| 21:19.37 | a_monkey | i'll ask in #debian |
| 21:19.48 | simonrvn | @pinning |
| 21:19.57 | simonrvn | @+pinning |
| 21:19.57 | ravenbird | methinks pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200212/msg00659.html |
| 21:35.24 | simonrvn | bah ;P |
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| 21:43.40 | felipefonseca | hello everyone |
| 21:44.05 | felipefonseca | I've been here yesterday, trying to install debian-ppc on my powermac8600 |
| 21:44.20 | felipefonseca | now things are (were?) running smooth, except for one problem |
| 21:44.37 | felipefonseca | I'm getting segfault messages with many different programs |
| 21:44.52 | felipefonseca | memory and disk work ok on MacOs |
| 21:45.10 | felipefonseca | anyone know what can be happening? |
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| 21:55.42 | grivell | segfaults? On what apps? |
| 22:24.39 | felipefonseca | grivell: mozilla, apt-get, dpkg, xmms, etc. |
| 22:25.12 | felipefonseca | grivell: hm... dselect also |
| 22:31.47 | grivell | Sarge or Sid? |
| 22:32.11 | grivell | I would say memory problem most likely. |
| 22:33.01 | grivell | And kernel. Use Debian-sources :) It is very patched. |
| 22:33.33 | grivell | The fact that apt-get segs makes me think memory. But I'm not use to the hardware you use. |
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| 22:35.26 | felipefonseca | woody |
| 22:36.02 | felipefonseca | grivell: with the kernel upgraded (apt-get) to 2.4.18 |
| 22:36.28 | felipefonseca | grivell: you mean, compiling the kernel? |
| 22:37.43 | grivell | Ahh, not sure. I'd use Sarge ;) And kernel 2.6.8. |
| 22:38.19 | felipefonseca | grivell: I wasn't able to install sarge |
| 22:38.44 | felipefonseca | grivell: downloaded initrd.gz and tried, but it wouldn't recognize my eth |
| 22:39.08 | grivell | You don't have cd boot? |
| 22:39.26 | grivell | Not familiar with your hardware at all. Sorry :( |
| 22:40.34 | a_monkey | if i want to use an ubuntu package, i first add `deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main' to /etc/apt/sources.list. then how do i pin debian packages at a higher priority? can't seem to figure this one out. |
| 22:40.48 | felipefonseca | grivell: no cd boot, and no cd-recorder whatsoever |
| 22:48.02 | felipefonseca | grivell: I'm thinking of trying ubuntu |
| 22:49.35 | grivell | a_monkey: Don't. Mixing is not good |
| 22:50.01 | grivell | What package you want? Xorg is major probs for mixing ;) |
| 22:50.08 | a_monkey | uhoh |
| 22:50.11 | a_monkey | that's what i wanted |
| 22:50.19 | grivell | lol |
| 22:50.30 | a_monkey | it's a last-resort thing, though |
| 22:50.34 | grivell | I can't wait for it to come to Debian. |
| 22:50.49 | a_monkey | ^^ditto |
| 22:50.51 | grivell | If you have a usb hd, or a lot of space, install ubuntu in a chroot |
| 22:51.13 | grivell | I think I'm going to try Gentoo in chroot soon (I keep thinking about it but compiling all day is not fun) |
| 22:51.20 | a_monkey | i have neither of those |
| 22:51.26 | grivell | :( |
| 22:51.42 | a_monkey | grivell: nope. compiling distros are no fun |
| 22:52.01 | a_monkey | they're not as instantaneos as using a binary |
| 22:52.01 | grivell | usb enclosure is probably $30. Then get a 3.5" HD for $50 ;) |
| 22:53.01 | grivell | My main goal in using it is to test all the new stuff (kde 3.4betas, etc) and xorg. But I have a friend that I can't convince to come over to Debian (has an awesome Powerbook 17") |
| 22:53.16 | grivell | He keeps saying "but portage". I tell him "Portage butt" |
| 22:53.19 | grivell | :-P |
| 22:56.56 | a_monkey | @+greenhouse |
| 22:57.03 | a_monkey | hmm |
| 22:57.43 | a_monkey | ravenbird doesn't know about greenhouse i guess |
| 22:57.44 | ravenbird | a_monkey: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 23:01.29 | a_monkey | dpkg should be invited over here. he/she knows more/ |
| 23:01.55 | a_monkey | *period instead of slash* |
| 23:03.52 | grivell | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 23:03.59 | grivell | Thanks simonrvn ;) |
| 23:04.41 | simonrvn | @greenhouse is <reply>Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 23:04.41 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
| 23:14.33 | Sam-I-Am | moo |
| 23:15.54 | simonrvn | 'lo |
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| 23:37.08 | choisy | hello |
| 23:37.44 | choisy | I just installed debian for the first time, and I'm pretty surprised the latest kernel available is 2.6.8 . is that normal? |
| 23:42.39 | felipefonseca | hm... |
| 23:42.39 | felipefonseca | I'm trying to do exactly that |
| 23:42.39 | felipefonseca | what's your hw? |
| 23:42.55 | Sam-I-Am | sup simonrvn |
| 23:43.27 | simonrvn | bleh |
| 23:43.30 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 23:43.33 | Sam-I-Am | i got to do inventory all day |
| 23:43.38 | simonrvn | eew |
| 23:43.43 | Sam-I-Am | figuring out what we have, if it matches whats on contract, etc |