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| 01:15.54 | claviola | hi, anyone with a soundcard willing to help me test out bplay (a WAV player)? |
| 01:16.37 | claviola | http://people.debian.org/~claviola/bplay_0.991-9_i386.deb |
| 01:18.22 | Curalton | i386 o.O |
| 01:23.39 | al_ | huhu |
| 01:23.56 | claviola | excuse my idiocy. |
| 01:24.09 | claviola | it happens |
| 01:24.16 | al_ | claviola, endianess problem ? |
| 01:24.19 | claviola | http://people.debian.org/~claviola/bplay/ <-- with actual source |
| 01:24.23 | claviola | al_: yep |
| 01:24.47 | al_ | can't try now, was going to bed :| |
| 01:24.49 | claviola | I can put up a .wav file for testing if you don't have any |
| 01:24.50 | al_ | good night |
| 01:24.53 | claviola | night. |
| 01:27.27 | claviola | Curalton: could you, perhaps? |
| 01:28.47 | Curalton | err, sorry. my ibook is currently being repaired b/c of its logic board |
| 01:33.34 | claviola | ok. |
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| 03:48.55 | callipygous | hey |
| 03:49.04 | callipygous | i have just a couple of questions ... |
| 03:49.18 | callipygous | svgalib, is there a port of for ppc? |
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| 03:50.34 | callipygous | back |
| 03:50.55 | callipygous | did i miss anything? |
| 04:01.09 | simonrvn | don't need svgalib |
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| 06:04.14 | claviola | anyone alive? |
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| 06:20.32 | OmniColos | <--alive |
| 06:20.36 | OmniColos | barely |
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| 06:53.30 | fluffy_wolf | "THIS MOTHERBOARD HAS A FEW POPPED CAPACITORS, BUT THE MOTHERBOARD WORKS PERFECTLY. IT IS ALSO MISSING ONE OF THE PCI SLOTS, BUT THE OTHERS STILL WORK FINE" how the fuck do you end up with a missing pci slot?! lol |
| 06:54.43 | callipygous | hahahaah |
| 06:54.48 | callipygous | found it at the dump? |
| 06:55.43 | fluffy_wolf | dunno. |
| 06:55.50 | fluffy_wolf | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42013&item=6744207250&rd=1 |
| 06:55.57 | callipygous | know how to get links working in the console? |
| 06:56.01 | callipygous | haha somebody is trying to sell it? |
| 06:56.04 | fluffy_wolf | I sent him a question asking how he did it... |
| 06:56.37 | fluffy_wolf | he's trying to sell it with a $35 buy-it-now |
| 06:58.18 | callipygous | that is fucked up |
| 06:59.15 | fluffy_wolf | I can't even imagine how you could remove a pci slot, short of spending an hour with a good desoldering station, without ripping half the traces... |
| 07:00.50 | callipygous | reckon |
| 07:01.13 | fluffy_wolf | I added it to my watch list, just to see if it ever sells. :) |
| 07:04.54 | callipygous | hehhe |
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| 07:10.50 | fluffy_wolf | I'm looking for bad caps boards... but missing pci slots aren't as easy to fix. :) |
| 07:11.45 | callipygous | hehe |
| 07:11.50 | callipygous | what happens to the caps? |
| 07:12.18 | fluffy_wolf | explode. :) |
| 07:12.43 | fluffy_wolf | at one point a whole bunch (read: virtually all brands) were made with a run of faulty capacitors |
| 07:13.24 | fluffy_wolf | the story is that one company tried stealing another company's electrolyte formula, but got it wrong, then sold electrolyte based on it, causing every capacitor made with that electrolyte to fail... |
| 07:14.59 | fluffy_wolf | http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/p1010040-close.jpg <== some caps that, quite literally, blew their tops. |
| 07:15.36 | fluffy_wolf | http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/p1010001-medium.jpg <== one of my motherboards, after I replaced all 22 failed/failing/likely to fail capacitors. |
| 07:15.57 | fluffy_wolf | (I replaced the exploded caps from the first picture, but didn't take any after photos) |
| 07:17.14 | callipygous | they don't look that exploded |
| 07:17.54 | fluffy_wolf | they make a loud pop and splatter electrolyte over everything when they do that |
| 07:18.33 | fluffy_wolf | http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/p1010004-small.jpg <== and if they explode out the bottom, they make a mess like that... all the caps on that board I replaced too. |
| 07:19.44 | callipygous | huh?? |
| 07:19.46 | fluffy_wolf | http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/p1010043-small.jpg <== after replacing those |
| 07:19.47 | callipygous | i don't see much |
| 07:20.04 | fluffy_wolf | you don't see that the tops of the capacitors have split open? |
| 07:20.15 | fluffy_wolf | the aluminum tops, that take quite a bit of pressure to burst |
| 07:20.41 | fluffy_wolf | or in the second picture of failed caps, the brown electrolyte that was ejected out the side... |
| 07:23.42 | fluffy_wolf | needless to say, when the capacitors start exploding, the board stops working... |
| 07:24.33 | callipygous | yes, i saw that |
| 07:24.51 | callipygous | i couldn't tell if it was electrolyte or something else |
| 07:25.01 | callipygous | but yeah, i was expecting something like mad looking |
| 07:25.15 | fluffy_wolf | they don't usually explode too dramatically, although I have seen it. |
| 07:25.23 | callipygous | cool |
| 07:26.11 | fluffy_wolf | http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/p1010022-small.jpg <== what the board looks like when they leak out the bottoms... |
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| 07:33.43 | callipygous | heh |
| 07:33.44 | callipygous | compelling |
| 07:33.51 | callipygous | is that stuff acidic? |
| 07:34.52 | fluffy_wolf | dunno, but it sure eats stuff |
| 07:35.06 | callipygous | must be then |
| 07:35.16 | fluffy_wolf | or else it's alkaline... |
| 07:35.23 | callipygous | or that |
| 07:35.31 | fluffy_wolf | I'd figure alkaline rather than acid, but dunno. :) |
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| 07:38.27 | fluffy_wolf | all I know is it eats through traces, leads, etc. |
| 07:38.40 | fluffy_wolf | bbl, time for sleep |
| 07:40.24 | callipygous | ok cya |
| 07:40.30 | fluffy_wolf | cyas |
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| 10:43.33 | Stereo | fluffy_wolf: j |
| 10:45.23 | Stereo | uh |
| 10:45.36 | Stereo | fluffy_wolf: capacitor fluid is nasty stuff |
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| 12:09.29 | niktaris | hi all |
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| 12:58.41 | callipygous | hey |
| 12:58.51 | callipygous | I am wondering how I set my default gateway to be set upon boot |
| 12:59.12 | callipygous | is there a net.conf file or something? |
| 12:59.44 | callipygous | i see /etc/gateways but im fucked if i can understand the syntax |
| 13:00.44 | callipygous | im a debian n00b |
| 13:00.53 | callipygous | used to gentoo/slackware/bsd |
| 13:01.40 | pahartik | callipygous: "/etc/network/interfaces" |
| 13:01.50 | callipygous | thanks |
| 13:01.55 | callipygous | then whats /etc/gateways for :S |
| 13:02.13 | pahartik | callipygous: "man interfaces" |
| 13:02.33 | callipygous | i did that |
| 13:02.40 | callipygous | it says UNDOCUMENTED" |
| 13:03.01 | callipygous | ooh, no thats what it said for gateways, oops |
| 13:05.04 | pahartik | callipygous: it seems "netbase" package of "woody" provides "/etc/gateways"... |
| 13:06.00 | pahartik | callipygous: "sarge" and "sid" do not have any packages providing that file |
| 13:06.46 | callipygous | fair nugg |
| 13:06.51 | callipygous | no idea what it does :S |
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| 13:20.56 | callipygous | hey debian people |
| 13:21.32 | callipygous | i asked this the other day |
| 13:21.49 | callipygous | but im still unsure of the "proper" way to stop services from starting at boot |
| 13:22.03 | callipygous | some distro's you chmod -x the file |
| 13:22.07 | callipygous | and some you delete the symlink |
| 13:22.13 | callipygous | i guess either would work |
| 13:22.37 | sk1p | try update-rc.d |
| 13:26.01 | callipygous | yeah, that script is way more complex than it needs to be |
| 13:48.58 | Stereo | I usually remove the package if I don't use it anymore :) |
| 13:49.22 | Stereo | or put exit 0 at the beginning of /etc/init.d/foo |
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| 13:50.49 | JerryB | hi... |
| 13:50.54 | callipygous | yo |
| 13:50.57 | callipygous | cheers Stereo |
| 13:51.01 | callipygous | i figured it tho |
| 13:51.14 | JerryB | i have problem during installing debian on Ibook 3.3 G4 |
| 13:51.42 | JerryB | when i give the command boot, nothing hapenned on firmware |
| 13:51.53 | JerryB | the setup doesn't begin |
| 13:52.02 | JerryB | somebody help me? |
| 13:52.18 | Stereo | JerryB: you're not going to get much help if you don't give more detail than that :p |
| 13:54.27 | Stereo | you know you've been hacking for too long when you hear a long whistling sound outside and think it sounds like a modem |
| 13:55.07 | JerryB | i have two partitions on my harddisk: one of ythem with OS X and the other named debian, on wich i have the yaboot.conf and image... files |
| 13:55.19 | Stereo | what images are you using? |
| 13:56.02 | JerryB | when i am on firmware and i give the command boot install to begin the installation of debian, nothing happened |
| 13:56.11 | JerryB | i think that i have firmware problems |
| 13:56.38 | callipygous | your trying to boot from firmware? |
| 13:56.42 | callipygous | i guess i know nothing about yaboot |
| 13:56.48 | callipygous | but doesn't yaboot install itself on the MBR? |
| 13:57.14 | Stereo | we have an mbr? |
| 13:57.36 | Stereo | yaboot installs itself in a bootstrap partition |
| 13:57.44 | Stereo | you tell open firmware to boot into that partition |
| 13:57.53 | Stereo | it's not really an mbr |
| 13:58.56 | JerryB | the last one from penguinppc Ethan benson images |
| 13:59.30 | JerryB | yes, i know, but i think that i cant create bootstrap partition |
| 13:59.55 | callipygous | sorry, im way used to x86 |
| 14:01.37 | Stereo | JerryB: not sure those are too recent. The kernel you get with them should give an idea of how old they are. |
| 14:02.13 | JerryB | where can i find the last image? |
| 14:02.48 | JerryB | i have folowed these instructions: http://seb.france.free.fr/linux/ibookG4/iBookG4-howto-2.html#ss2.1 |
| 14:03.24 | JerryB | is impossible to0 create the bootstrap partition on my iBook |
| 14:03.54 | JerryB | but i cant install the new firmware i cant |
| 14:04.19 | JerryB | i dont know how to do this |
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| 16:18.46 | simonrvn | it's called RTFM... |
| 16:33.23 | fluffy_wolf | lol |
| 16:34.20 | fluffy_wolf | I like ebay's "items near me" feature... bought two usb hubs from someone about 10 miles from here. going to go pick them up after I shower. saves me shipping, and it isn't even costing gas, since it's on my way to work. :) |
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| 16:52.19 | grivell | fluffy_wolf: Yeah, but that feature freaks me out. Items near me: Slightly used inflatable doll, leather whip (slightly used), and paddle. |
| 16:52.36 | grivell | How do they know!? |
| 16:52.51 | grivell | </sarcasm> |
| 16:56.02 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 17:32.01 | fluffy_wolf | grivell: lol |
| 17:33.48 | fluffy_wolf | I've tried looking for fun fetishy things near me, but couldn't find anything. |
| 17:36.56 | fluffy_wolf | of 106,000 items in the mature audiences category, none of them are within driving distance. |
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| 17:45.46 | fluffy_wolf | mrrf. although someone does have an ultra harness 2000 listed for only $24. *adds it to jbidwatcher* |
| 17:46.53 | fluffy_wolf | grr. jbidwatcher's adult auction support is still broken. |
| 17:51.51 | fluffy_wolf | bbl, picking up usb hubs |
| 17:52.11 | simonrvn | pickling up? |
| 17:52.40 | simonrvn | i guess you'd pickle them in rubbing alcohol or something. you couldn't eat them though |
| 17:53.33 | fluffy_wolf | simonrvn: /me doesn't recall typing an "l" in picking. :P |
| 17:53.52 | simonrvn | nyah ;p ;) |
| 17:53.57 | fluffy_wolf | lol |
| 17:54.18 | simonrvn | hook line and sinker ;P |
| 17:54.35 | fluffy_wolf | ? |
| 17:54.47 | simonrvn | i.e., i got you hehe |
| 17:55.16 | fluffy_wolf | yes, I know that's what "hook, line, and sinker" means. but I still don't know what the joke was. :P |
| 17:56.00 | simonrvn | ok, it was lame :/ |
| 17:56.15 | fluffy_wolf | what was it? lol |
| 17:56.29 | simonrvn | the pickling joke |
| 17:57.10 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 17:57.34 | fluffy_wolf | you make jokes about picking up usb hubs, but not about bidding on a srap-on? :P |
| 17:59.27 | simonrvn | none of my business :). what goes on in your bedroom doesn't concern me |
| 17:59.35 | fluffy_wolf | lol |
| 18:01.05 | fluffy_wolf | bbl. need to get to work, too. |
| 18:02.01 | simonrvn | see ya |
| 18:02.08 | fluffy_wolf | cyas |
| 18:03.21 | fluffy_wolf | blargh. my shoes smell like gasoline. must have spilled some when removing the lawnmower engine. |
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| 18:38.04 | kayali | hello |
| 18:38.31 | kayali | I have a simple question. Why is the latest kernel in unstable only 2.6.8 ? |
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| 18:39.44 | al_ | [poomerang:~] arnaud$ apt-cache show kernel-image-2.6.9-powerpc |
| 18:39.44 | al_ | Package: kernel-image-2.6.9-powerpc |
| 18:40.35 | kayali | shouldn't dist-upgrade propose it to me then? (i did update) |
| 18:41.45 | NiGGuRaTH | i need download debian for PPC IBM 7248, where i find images? |
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| 18:43.39 | NiGGuRaTH | i need download debian for PPC IBM 7248, where i find images? |
| 18:44.31 | simonrvn | @tell NiGGuRaTH about repeat |
| 18:44.44 | simonrvn | @sarge daily snapshots |
| 18:44.45 | ravenbird | get your daily sarge PPC builds at http://people.debian.org/~luther/debian-installer/daily-powerpc-built/daily/powerpc/ |
| 18:44.51 | simonrvn | @d-i |
| 18:44.51 | ravenbird | d-i is probably the sequel of boot-floopy a.k.a debian-installer. |
| 18:45.30 | simonrvn | @no d-i is <reply>d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 18:45.31 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
| 18:46.32 | simonrvn | @debian-installer is <reply>is the replacement for the aging "boot-floppies" installation system used in all previous versions of debian. The Debian Installer will be the installer for future versions of Debian, beginning with sarge. It has been designed to be more modular, easier to use, and more extensible than the old installation system. see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or ask me about d-i |
| 18:46.32 | ravenbird | ...but debian-installer is already something else... |
| 18:46.47 | simonrvn | @debian-installer |
| 18:46.47 | ravenbird | debian-installer is the replacement for the aging "boot-floppies" installation system used in all previous versions of debian. The Debian Installer will be the installer for future versions of Debian, beginning with sarge. It has been designed to be more modular, easier to use, and more extensible than the old installation system. see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:47.10 | simonrvn | @debian-installer is also ask me about d-i |
| 18:47.10 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
| 18:47.27 | simonrvn | NiGGuRaTH: is this a PCI, or MCA box? |
| 18:50.12 | NiGGuRaTH | PCI |
| 18:50.23 | simonrvn | ok, then it'll run linux |
| 18:50.40 | NiGGuRaTH | yes |
| 18:50.45 | simonrvn | you can fetch some 2.4 floppies at /~luther/ |
| 18:50.54 | simonrvn | (see above for URI) |
| 18:52.33 | NiGGuRaTH | i see |
| 18:56.39 | NiGGuRaTH | i see in debian mirror ftp the sarge images, 14 cds, this is the instalation for PPC? |
| 18:57.38 | al_ | you don't need 14 cd... |
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| 18:59.19 | NiGGuRaTH | How much cds i need? |
| 18:59.36 | al_ | will you have internet access during your installation ? |
| 19:00.11 | NiGGuRaTH | yes |
| 19:00.20 | al_ | you can use businesscard or netinst |
| 19:00.25 | al_ | only one (small) cd |
| 19:00.47 | al_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/powerpc/rc2/sarge-powerpc-businesscard.iso this one |
| 19:00.51 | al_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/powerpc/rc2/sarge-powerpc-netinst.iso |
| 19:00.56 | nusse | or two floppies... |
| 19:00.56 | al_ | or this one. |
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| 19:04.07 | NiGGuRaTH | the floppies images to be inside this cd? |
| 19:05.28 | simonrvn | no |
| 19:05.33 | simonrvn | on floppies |
| 19:06.14 | NiGGuRaTH | floppy or floppy-2.4? |
| 19:07.40 | simonrvn | 2.4 |
| 19:07.48 | simonrvn | the 2.6 ones aren't working |
| 19:11.04 | NiGGuRaTH | 2.4 or 2.6 it's a kernel version? |
| 19:13.40 | simonrvn | yes, kernel version. major version to be precise. |
| 19:14.24 | simonrvn | VERSION = 2 |
| 19:14.24 | simonrvn | PATCHLEVEL = 6 |
| 19:14.24 | simonrvn | SUBLEVEL = 10 |
| 19:14.27 | simonrvn | e.g. |
| 19:15.31 | NiGGuRaTH | ok |
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| 20:00.22 | dj-death | is someone using an ibook with suspend path ? |
| 20:00.31 | dj-death | or 2.6.11-rc4 kernel ? |
| 20:00.57 | dj-death | I'm trying to remove a usb device while the ibook is in suspend move |
| 20:01.25 | dj-death | according to the kernel changelog this feature has been added to the 2.6.10 version |
| 20:01.34 | dj-death | but this doesnt work |
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| 21:14.03 | fluffy_wolf | muwahaha! new 7-port usb hub. now I don't need to swap plugs. Four printers, scanner, flash card reader, microscope, mouse, two wacom tablets, usb audio gizmo, and two plugs for my digicam, one on each table... |
| 21:16.08 | simonrvn | god-dam |
| 21:19.36 | Petro | fluffy_wolf: I think you just redefined port-invasion |
| 21:20.13 | Petro | simonrvn: I just installed Ubuntu on my iBook, everything works out ot the box, xorg included |
| 21:21.02 | simonrvn | that's good |
| 21:22.14 | Petro | Although I will probably still install Debian on my server once that stupid P4 gets here |
| 21:22.54 | Petro | But for now I have to sleep |
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| 21:37.46 | *** topic/#debianppc is Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC - vers.: 2.6.10 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | New (2003+) PowerMacs with XFS HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2s2os | iBook G4 HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2488m | New penguinppc.org live! | http://funroll-loops.org/ | pasting? /whois paster | <bob2> gerbils are three-edged swords | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/3p4nm |
| 21:40.29 | ds9bsd | is the parted on the latest net installer ISO ok for resizing an ibook with macos-x installed ? I saw a bug report mentioning problems with hfs+ journaling |
| 21:40.56 | ds9bsd | if not how did you backup prior to repartitioning ? |
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| 22:31.32 | fluffy_wolf | "<simonrvn> god-dam" god-damn what? I have lots of things with usb plugs... |
| 22:32.14 | fluffy_wolf | I need a third wacom tablet... my small one is too small and my big one is too big. when I find a just-right one, I'll have another usb device... |
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