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| 00:06.19 | matteo | Hi all |
| 00:06.38 | matteo | how many bogomips has a g5 2ghz? |
| 00:08.09 | simonrvn | why do you ask? |
| 00:08.17 | matteo | i'm curious |
| 00:08.31 | simonrvn | tried googling the answer yet? |
| 00:08.37 | matteo | no |
| 00:08.51 | simonrvn | do that |
| 00:09.02 | ari | i don't think google says |
| 00:09.07 | ari | but you can calculate it |
| 00:09.32 | simonrvn | should be under arch/ppc64 |
| 00:24.55 | Sam-I-Am | m00 |
| 00:35.24 | simonrvn | hello |
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| 00:39.13 | simonrvn | Q-FUNK: ping |
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| 00:39.57 | Caetano_fcf | iai |
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| 00:52.24 | Sam-I-Am | simonrvn: looks like my g3 problem was ram |
| 00:52.31 | simonrvn | aah |
| 00:52.32 | Sam-I-Am | i replaced all of it and i havent had any lockups |
| 00:52.37 | simonrvn | cool |
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| 00:54.35 | Sam-I-Am | yup |
| 00:54.48 | Sam-I-Am | i wish i had an easy way to determine which dimm was bad... |
| 00:54.58 | Sam-I-Am | but that would require at least 3 more lockups heh |
| 00:55.14 | simonrvn | yeh :/ |
| 00:55.30 | Sam-I-Am | easier to trash the 3 sticks... i have enough laying around |
| 00:55.42 | Sam-I-Am | might pop them into a peecee and run memtest86 |
| 00:58.55 | timing | hello! today i downloaded this installer http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/powerpc/rc2/sarge-powerpc-businesscard.iso and burned it on my cd for my macmini. First i installed MacOSX with a partition of 20 GB, then i wanted to install debian on the rest of the HD with 500 MB swap. But There went all kind of things wrong, with some thing called yahoot and a apple bootloader or so, i tried many differtent setups wit |
| 00:59.29 | timing | there here some red error messages, i don't know them exaclty |
| 01:00.34 | simonrvn | @sarge install guide |
| 01:00.36 | ravenbird_ | go see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for the install guide. http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.powerpc/index.html |
| 01:00.39 | simonrvn | go read |
| 01:01.54 | timing | but is it known to give problems to no-manual-reading nerds? |
| 01:02.03 | simonrvn | no |
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| 01:02.14 | straties | hi |
| 01:02.16 | simonrvn | not often |
| 01:02.53 | straties | just a doubt about iBook G4 Debian installation |
| 01:03.09 | straties | I've been doing what iBook G4 HOWTO says but... |
| 01:03.17 | straties | when Debian installation finishes |
| 01:03.37 | straties | if I reboot yaboot doesn't load... however I boot it from OF with boot hd:2,yaboot |
| 01:03.45 | straties | but when running Linux i got a kernel panic... |
| 01:03.58 | straties | VFS: Cannot open root device "hdc5" or 16:05 |
| 01:04.04 | timing | i couldn't even setup yaboot |
| 01:04.05 | straties | Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 01:04.21 | simonrvn | which kernel did you choose? and what kind of panic? sig 11? couldn't find rootfs? |
| 01:04.22 | straties | Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 16:05 |
| 01:04.36 | straties | that's my kernel panic simonrvn |
| 01:04.47 | straties | and... well kernel is 2.4.23-newpmac I thing... |
| 01:04.49 | straties | think |
| 01:05.05 | straties | i just downloaded what is said on the iBook G4 HowTo link above |
| 01:05.12 | simonrvn | sarge doesn't come with 2.4.23 |
| 01:05.22 | straties | it's woody I guess |
| 01:05.35 | straties | should I download sarge? |
| 01:06.00 | simonrvn | woody doesn't either |
| 01:06.03 | simonrvn | yes |
| 01:06.15 | straties | ok... let's download it... again :( |
| 01:06.21 | simonrvn | note the operative word here: *ibook* |
| 01:06.59 | straties | simonrvn, I don't understand your last sentence... I'm not English native... |
| 01:07.17 | simonrvn | that howto is for ibooks, not macminis |
| 01:07.32 | simonrvn | that kernel is going to be ibook specific... |
| 01:07.57 | straties | I know... my computer is an iBook G4 |
| 01:08.35 | straties | I've installed Debian before... but I have to send the computer to my technical service and they messed up my hard disk... so i have to install Debian again |
| 01:08.38 | simonrvn | orry i'm getting confused. distracted... |
| 01:08.39 | simonrvn | s |
| 01:08.49 | simonrvn | backups :) |
| 01:08.50 | straties | don't mind simonrvn :) |
| 01:09.00 | straties | I backup data... |
| 01:09.02 | straties | but... |
| 01:09.16 | simonrvn | not recently ;) |
| 01:09.21 | straties | I'm not sure about how to make backup images.... |
| 01:09.28 | straties | of the whole system |
| 01:09.31 | straties | well... |
| 01:09.50 | straties | maybe tar -cjvf / but... :D |
| 01:09.52 | simonrvn | there's docs on how to do it, and how to do it right |
| 01:10.02 | simonrvn | uh no. |
| 01:10.20 | straties | simonrvn, I know now it's too late but I'll read them... :) |
| 01:10.49 | straties | http://penguinppc.org/~eb/files/boot-new-powermac-xfs.iso |
| 01:10.58 | straties | is that the correct ISO file? |
| 01:11.21 | simonrvn | too old. fetch it from http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/powerpc/ |
| 01:11.32 | straties | ok |
| 01:12.24 | simonrvn | that iso would be ok for an xfs based server. since it's based on woody. but this is a laptop, so you'll want more recent software |
| 01:12.40 | straties | installation proccess should be the same as it's explained on the howto, shouldn't it? |
| 01:12.50 | straties | yeah simonrvn , but I will dist-upgrade to Sid |
| 01:13.06 | simonrvn | you can install sid from the installer |
| 01:13.18 | straties | oh... I'll do it |
| 01:13.39 | straties | mmm bussiness or netinst... that's the question... |
| 01:13.58 | straties | my line isn't quite fast so maybe... bussiness |
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| 01:14.04 | simonrvn | netinst is a little more complete (obviously) |
| 01:14.44 | straties | yeah... but i want to boot Debian... i'll install more packages later... |
| 01:15.15 | straties | base system is included in bussiness card iso, isn't it? |
| 01:17.08 | simonrvn | don't remember |
| 01:17.23 | straties | i'll try anyway |
| 01:18.49 | straties | thanks a lot simonrvn :) |
| 01:19.03 | simonrvn | np |
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| 02:49.18 | Callipygous | hey hhstnoc |
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| 03:41.01 | fluffy_wolf | welp, got my generator working. woot. :) |
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| 03:44.26 | strat50s | hi |
| 03:44.39 | strat50s | simonrvn: mission complete ;) |
| 03:44.46 | fluffy_wolf | I've only tested it with 1500 watts (my halogen lights), but it didn't seem to slow down, so I figure it's working. :) |
| 04:14.48 | fluffy_wolf | bah! someone else is bidding on the ultra harness 2000 I want, and jbidwatcher can't snipe adult auctions. *grumbles about buggy snipe programs* |
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| 04:27.40 | Sam-I-Am | morning guys |
| 04:38.38 | fluffy_wolf | heyas |
| 04:39.25 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 04:39.29 | Sam-I-Am | sit on it |
| 04:39.35 | fluffy_wolf | that's not nice! |
| 04:39.37 | Sam-I-Am | maybe it'll make a funny sound... like a bagpipe |
| 04:39.50 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 04:40.51 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 04:41.59 | fluffy_wolf | 2200 watt honda... got it free. $5 for the shop manual, $10 for some parts, and now it works great. |
| 04:42.06 | fluffy_wolf | $2.49 for a roll of gasket material |
| 04:42.28 | Sam-I-Am | wow nice |
| 04:43.18 | fluffy_wolf | a little beat up, but starts on the first try and runs great. |
| 04:44.17 | fluffy_wolf | needs a new pull-start now |
| 04:44.25 | fluffy_wolf | one of the ratchet pawls is broken |
| 04:44.31 | Sam-I-Am | hwh |
| 04:44.43 | fluffy_wolf | ? |
| 04:45.39 | Sam-I-Am | heh |
| 04:46.13 | simonrvn | hi |
| 04:46.19 | fluffy_wolf | my cordless drill works quite well for starting it... but it starts so easily a pull-start is fine with me. :) |
| 04:46.21 | fluffy_wolf | heyas |
| 04:48.01 | fluffy_wolf | (I always start all my chainsaws with my cordless drill... mostly since half of them need a minute of cranking to start them, and I don't like breaking a sweat just starting the saw. :) |
| 04:51.17 | fluffy_wolf | bbl, shower |
| 04:52.14 | Sam-I-Am | mmmm |
| 04:53.33 | fluffy_wolf | instant electric start. :) |
| 04:53.57 | Sam-I-Am | your shower is electric start? :P |
| 04:54.12 | fluffy_wolf | lol |
| 04:54.50 | fluffy_wolf | don't make me dig the electrostimulation toys out of the garage just to make that statement true. :P |
| 04:55.30 | Sam-I-Am | uhhhh |
| 04:55.53 | fluffy_wolf | lol |
| 04:57.06 | Sam-I-Am | mmm beer |
| 04:57.39 | fluffy_wolf | mixing beer and kinky things is always a bad idea... |
| 04:57.43 | Sam-I-Am | ha |
| 04:57.47 | Sam-I-Am | is irc kinky? |
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| 04:58.02 | fluffy_wolf | although I did know someone who was fond of beer administered through non-oral means. |
| 04:58.57 | fluffy_wolf | (well, wine, but close enough) |
| 04:59.21 | Sam-I-Am | injection? |
| 04:59.37 | fluffy_wolf | sorta... |
| 05:00.59 | fluffy_wolf | as to WHERE it went, that I'm not saying. :P |
| 05:01.24 | Sam-I-Am | oh my |
| 05:02.38 | fluffy_wolf | bbl, shower |
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| 05:09.01 | callipygous | you about hhstnoc ? |
| 05:44.09 | hhstnoc | hey hows it going |
| 05:45.59 | hhstnoc | i'm just on my way out, callipygous, but if you /msg me and give me an l/p for your ftp server, i'll upload the A/UX isos. |
| 05:49.02 | hhstnoc | well. that's helpful. |
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| 06:21.02 | Sam-I-Am | zzz |
| 07:04.58 | fluffy_wolf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GrayWolf2web.jpg mrrrf! |
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| 07:16.45 | ari | fluffy_wolf: um, a wolf? |
| 07:16.53 | fluffy_wolf | good guess! :P |
| 07:17.07 | ari | are you a furry? |
| 07:17.14 | fluffy_wolf | yep |
| 07:17.53 | fluffy_wolf | why? |
| 07:21.33 | fluffy_wolf | I'm not a lifestyler nor a zoophile, but I'm definitely furry... |
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| 07:28.49 | fluffy_wolf | ari: why? :) |
| 07:29.49 | ari | no reason |
| 07:31.21 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 07:31.45 | fluffy_wolf | at least you had some idea what furry is... better than most people. |
| 07:32.18 | ari | sometimes i wish i didn't know |
| 07:33.07 | fluffy_wolf | don't confuse "furry" with "furvert"... |
| 07:35.02 | fluffy_wolf | contrary to what MTV says, furries don't have sex in fursuits, with animals, with stuffed animals, etc... nor are most furs gay men, nor do most furs like porn, etc. |
| 07:43.19 | fluffy_wolf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry |
| 07:43.22 | fluffy_wolf | bbl, sleep time |
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| 10:31.56 | werewolf | Hi all, where I can find documentation for suspending my ibook like OSX does? |
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| 13:36.50 | Callipygous | hey |
| 13:36.56 | Callipygous | hhstnoc, you there? |
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| 17:31.15 | karim | what is the name of the graphic porte of the mac G3 ? |
| 17:35.13 | demon_ | "graphic port"? you mean the card slot the video card, or the connector that the display plugs into? and which G3, specifically? |
| 17:35.45 | karim | the connector |
| 17:35.51 | karim | G3 b&w |
| 17:36.06 | karim | in fact my problem is that the display is slow |
| 17:36.07 | demon_ | that'd be an HD-15 VGA connector |
| 17:36.30 | karim | then I talk about the thing where you plug the video card |
| 17:36.43 | demon_ | that's a PCI slot |
| 17:36.50 | karim | ok |
| 17:37.00 | karim | the consol display is faster |
| 17:37.11 | karim | that the xterm output inside a X server |
| 17:37.18 | karim | than |
| 17:37.30 | demon_ | are you using the native display driver in X, or are you using fbdev? |
| 17:37.30 | karim | if run "du" for exemple |
| 17:37.41 | karim | Option "UseFBDev" "yes" |
| 17:37.51 | karim | if I put it to no it doesn't work |
| 17:38.06 | karim | the graphic card is a rage128 |
| 17:38.15 | karim | I think I use the correct driver |
| 17:38.18 | demon_ | yes, I know... (I have such a system at my office) |
| 17:38.33 | karim | you use os x or linux ? |
| 17:38.35 | karim | on it |
| 17:38.45 | demon_ | linux |
| 17:38.55 | karim | do you have that slow display problem ? |
| 17:39.42 | karim | demon_, ? |
| 17:39.44 | demon_ | never had that, no |
| 17:40.05 | karim | hem |
| 17:40.13 | karim | how did you set up your X ? |
| 17:40.21 | karim | do you use fbdev ? |
| 17:40.25 | demon_ | no |
| 17:40.59 | demon_ | Section "Device" |
| 17:40.59 | demon_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.59 | demon_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.59 | demon_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.00 | demon_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.02 | demon_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.05 | demon_ | EndSection |
| 17:41.15 | demon_ | that's the device section from my G3 |
| 17:42.28 | karim | ok only thing I don't have is the last line |
| 17:42.32 | karim | Option "DMAForXv" "true" |
| 17:43.20 | demon_ | and that should only affect video playback anyway |
| 17:43.30 | karim | and also BusID "PCI:0:16:0" |
| 17:43.36 | demon_ | which PCI slot do you have your video card in? |
| 17:43.42 | karim | 16 |
| 17:43.52 | demon_ | one of the 64-bit slots? or the 32-bit slot? |
| 17:44.00 | karim | in fact if you look at it you can use only one slot |
| 17:44.12 | karim | I don't know I can't put the card in another slot |
| 17:44.21 | demon_ | ... uh, you can |
| 17:44.26 | demon_ | it just won't perform as well |
| 17:44.57 | karim | yes that's right I could :) |
| 17:45.08 | karim | I though it wouldn't fit |
| 17:45.21 | karim | well that's in the first from the top of the box |
| 17:45.33 | demon_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.51 | karim | demon_, that's in the smallest slot isn't it ? |
| 17:46.09 | demon_ | yeah, iirc, that's the right one |
| 17:50.10 | karim | demon_, do you have a particular command for your kernel ? |
| 17:50.27 | demon_ | a particular command? |
| 17:50.34 | demon_ | for what? |
| 17:50.59 | karim | fbdev |
| 17:51.02 | karim | for exemple |
| 17:51.20 | demon_ | no, that's a different driver |
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| 17:51.32 | demon_ | as opposed to the 'ati'/'r128' driver |
| 17:52.02 | karim | so there is no solution |
| 17:53.07 | demon_ | unfortunately without being able to see it for myself, all I can say is my G3 doesn't have the problem you're talking about |
| 17:53.56 | karim | I use the apt kernel image |
| 17:54.15 | karim | 2.6.9-powerpc |
| 17:59.05 | karim | demon_, what color depth do you use ? |
| 18:01.58 | demon_ | 24bpp |
| 18:03.46 | karim | hum |
| 18:09.50 | bioterror | I have powermac 8200 and I'm not is my SCSI connector 50pin. any idea? I tried some google, but it's just SCSI on many sites |
| 18:09.58 | bioterror | I'm not sure, even |
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| 18:24.22 | pahartik | bioterror: SCSI ribbon cable (from on-board SCSI) inside the computer has got 50 wires |
| 18:25.39 | DelThree | scsi connectors are a whole mess... |
| 18:26.23 | pahartik | DelThree: i have not noticed that... |
| 18:27.11 | DelThree | 50, 68 pins, centronics, DB, ....... |
| 18:30.49 | pahartik | DelThree: 25/50/68/80 pins |
| 18:30.52 | bioterror | best result could be if I count themmy self;) |
| 18:31.24 | bioterror | damn this laptops keyboard |
| 18:32.00 | pahartik | bioterror: have fun... (but why do you have to count them?) |
| 18:32.57 | Bor_Ed | 8200 internal scsi is 50 pin scsi-2 bus |
| 18:33.07 | bioterror | ahhh, thanks bor_ed ;) |
| 18:33.22 | Bor_Ed | easiest to count from HD connector if you really want to |
| 18:37.03 | pahartik | DelThree: DB/Centronics/HD/VHDCI |
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| 18:58.57 | bioterror | ei se voi olla noin yksinkertaista |
| 18:59.05 | bioterror | puukottaa fstabia ja sitten tuo:D |
| 18:59.10 | bioterror | ohops |
| 18:59.11 | bioterror | :D |
| 19:01.00 | damog | english, please |
| 19:03.16 | Q-FUNK | stabbing a file sounds like an entertaining proposition. |
| 19:03.37 | Piru | I like knifework |
| 19:03.51 | Bor_Ed | sure ya do :) |
| 19:06.08 | Q-FUNK | it even sounds like a bilingual stab that stab |
| 19:09.47 | fluffy_wolf | urmm. you're all aware fstab() is a commonly used function, right? |
| 19:10.08 | fluffy_wolf | and command |
| 19:10.12 | fluffy_wolf | and a bunch of other things. :) |
| 19:10.34 | fluffy_wolf | such as mounted filesystems |
| 19:10.56 | fluffy_wolf | s/mounted/listed |
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| 19:18.36 | ari | i could've sworn more people on ppc ran gaim |
| 19:20.29 | Q-FUNK | heh |
| 19:21.13 | Q-FUNK | ari: ppc _is_ rising in popularity, but it ain't quite there yet. :) |
| 19:21.51 | Q-FUNK | ari: I predict that once the remaining bits of the Mac-Mini are fully supported, there's gonna be a plethora of Debian/PPC users. |
| 19:23.02 | pahartik | ari: more than what? |
| 19:28.40 | ari | Q-FUNK: well, i saw gentoo running on the mac mini at linuxworld |
| 19:28.43 | ari | pahartik: more than q-funk. |
| 19:29.06 | Bor_Ed | ari, with sound working ? |
| 19:29.17 | ari | don't know about that |
| 19:29.33 | ari | but as a server you don't need sound |
| 19:29.42 | Bor_Ed | sound (and the extra cash) are only things that hold me from buying macmini |
| 19:30.04 | Bor_Ed | I really don't think the 2.5" disks can handle 'server' install too well |
| 19:30.27 | karim | any one have an idea what can make me have a slow X display on a G3 b&w ? |
| 19:30.33 | ari | well, if they would replace them with the 7200rpm hitachis.. |
| 19:30.51 | Bor_Ed | karim, drop bpp to 16 for a starter |
| 19:32.33 | karim | if I modifiy XF86config-4 and start a second X will it affect it ? |
| 19:32.47 | karim | I mean I tried that but it wasn't seeming to effect the second X |
| 19:33.02 | Bor_Ed | no idea really |
| 19:34.27 | pahartik | karim: when XFree86 server gets started, it always reads configuration file... |
| 19:35.55 | karim | yep I wasn't doing a difference between 16 and 24, with 8 it's clearer |
| 19:37.59 | karim | with 8bpp that's better |
| 19:38.21 | karim | but still unsatisfying |
| 19:38.52 | karim | I mean when X start I can see the blocks creating the background of gdm |
| 19:38.59 | karim | that's a bit slow |
| 19:39.37 | karim | I don't know if it's the bus or the card or the cpu |
| 19:39.59 | karim | I mean I have a rage 128 on a x86 and it's as smooth as with a radeon |
| 19:59.18 | hhstnoc | karim: for a little reference, i run X on a beige G3 233 with 128mb memory, and its smooth. |
| 20:00.12 | Bor_Ed | I have g3/233 with 160MB ram and voodoo3/300 gfx, works just fine |
| 20:02.29 | hhstnoc | oh, mine's stock video hardware too btw |
| 20:03.20 | Bor_Ed | I had probs with stock ati rage64 and mockos, got apple FCODE voodoo3 and prob disappeared |
| 20:04.38 | bioterror | I have one 3DFX Voodoo 3 3500TV for no use :P |
| 20:04.47 | Bor_Ed | send it here :D |
| 20:04.52 | hhstnoc | what window manager do you run? |
| 20:04.54 | Bor_Ed | if it's pci that is |
| 20:04.56 | bioterror | gimme 30e ;) |
| 20:04.57 | Bor_Ed | xfce4 |
| 20:04.58 | bioterror | AGP |
| 20:05.12 | Bor_Ed | bioterror, no good, I don't have agp macs here |
| 20:05.19 | bioterror | :( |
| 20:05.33 | Bor_Ed | and I'd get radeon to agp mac anyway |
| 20:06.22 | bioterror | I was going to buy Pegasos II but then I decided to buy real mac ;) |
| 20:06.44 | Bor_Ed | peggy2 and mac are pretty close in prices... |
| 20:07.01 | bioterror | but another one does have a working OS ;) |
| 20:07.14 | Bor_Ed | well, debian/ppc works on both |
| 20:07.52 | bioterror | why to pay 900e of Linux machine? |
| 20:08.18 | Bor_Ed | power consumption, speed and box size ? |
| 20:09.03 | bioterror | hoh |
| 20:09.43 | bioterror | I think it's still a stupid idea to buy Pegasos II if you're not a MOS developer |
| 20:10.03 | hhstnoc | whast a Pegasos? |
| 20:10.05 | hhstnoc | whats* |
| 20:10.09 | hhstnoc | you guys have mac clones over there? |
| 20:10.10 | Bor_Ed | wasaware.fi sells some retail prebuilds |
| 20:10.11 | bioterror | http://www.pegasosppc.com/ |
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| 20:11.43 | hhstnoc | ooo ATX powerpc boards....hmmmm |
| 20:13.18 | bioterror | there's also AmigaOne |
| 20:13.20 | bioterror | almost same machine |
| 20:17.59 | Bor_Ed | amigaone is teron mai xc with amigaos enable firmware afaik |
| 20:18.09 | Bor_Ed | whoops, mai teron xc that is |
| 20:19.23 | Bor_Ed | http://www.mai.com/products/teron%20cx.htm |
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| 20:39.39 | karim | hhstnoc, i run gdm |
| 20:39.42 | karim | hum no |
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| 20:49.49 | pirroH | does debian work on imac g5 (using debian installer)? |
| 20:50.18 | ari | it should |
| 20:51.29 | pirroH | ari: tnx, because I've read about some patches for 2.6.10-rc(something) for *gentoo* |
| 20:51.42 | pirroH | and I was wondering if they were merged :) |
| 20:52.27 | ari | that may have just been for the ppc64 port |
| 20:54.46 | pirroH | ok, I'm quite convinced... it should be a good debian-box |
| 20:55.12 | hhstnoc | karim: i tried gnome on my Wallstreet once, it ran just fine too |
| 20:55.19 | cricket | what is the package adding command? |
| 20:55.29 | hhstnoc | i'd almost want to say there was some bad memory? |
| 21:02.31 | karim | hhstnoc, gnome |
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| 21:09.47 | luther_driggers | does this wor? |
| 21:10.23 | luther_driggers | if you can read this please respond. i haven't used this b 4 and have some questions |
| 21:10.37 | Bor_Ed | nope, doesn't work |
| 21:11.12 | simonrvn | luther_driggers: can't see you, sorry |
| 21:11.19 | luther_driggers | cool. i have some question about debian for ppc and ibook. is this a good place to ask them? |
| 21:11.37 | simonrvn | see channel name ;) |
| 21:11.40 | Bor_Ed | pretty much the only unless you subscribe to mailing lists |
| 21:12.35 | luther_driggers | k. so i'm thinking of getting an ibook 12 inch (new) and installing either debian or gentoo (whatever the difference is) |
| 21:13.07 | luther_driggers | i'm wondering if there will be the same compatibility issues between debian on ibook and fc3 on toshiba as with pc mac |
| 21:13.34 | simonrvn | um, coming from winbloze or os 9/x, i think you'll be more comfortable with debian first. gentoo all your time is spent compiling things |
| 21:14.48 | luther_driggers | will all (or most) of the things that compile in fc3 on my toshiba compile on the mac as well? ie the source doesn't matter, the compilers translate it all just fine anyway? |
| 21:15.20 | luther_driggers | sounds like debian is for me more than gentoo |
| 21:15.50 | simonrvn | um, well, gcc is gcc. what each distro does with it depends. but at the core they're exactly the same. same with the pre-compiled kernels |
| 21:15.56 | Bor_Ed | there's also ratshat for ppc, yellow dog linux if you really love RH inc |
| 21:16.32 | luther_driggers | ie i can use the latest kernel for ppc too? I'm just learning about open source and compiling and stuff. |
| 21:16.35 | simonrvn | at the core, it's all the same stuff. where it differs is philosophy, patches, packaing policy, etc. |
| 21:16.42 | simonrvn | packaging* |
| 21:16.46 | Bor_Ed | Linux g3 2.6.11-rc3-bk1 #1 Wed Feb 9 17:17:41 EET 2005 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 21:16.56 | simonrvn | yes |
| 21:16.56 | Bor_Ed | I'd need to compile a new one, this is getting old :) |
| 21:17.14 | simonrvn | i'm still on my stable 2.6.10-grsec |
| 21:17.29 | simonrvn | um, "stable" as 2.6 can get =) |
| 21:17.47 | Bor_Ed | friend got his athlon to rc4 couple of days back... I need to get better than that :D |
| 21:18.14 | Bor_Ed | 2.6 has been 'stable' since 2.6.10 at least here... earlier ones were pain |
| 21:19.14 | simonrvn | 2.6.3, 2.6.6, and 2.6.10 have been the best for me so far |
| 21:19.36 | Bor_Ed | 2.6.10 vanilla was first one that has _worked_ here |
| 21:21.39 | luther_driggers | sweet! i'm stoked. does debian run noticeably "faster" on ibook than osx (either from experience or a good guess)? |
| 21:22.04 | Bor_Ed | depends on the graphical environment you choose |
| 21:22.18 | luther_driggers | uh... gnome or kde, i guess |
| 21:22.27 | simonrvn | yes, any box, IMO. excpet maybe a ppc 970 - but never having used one, i couldn't say |
| 21:22.59 | Bor_Ed | mockosX still has some more bloat than recent kde/gnome so I'd guess linux is faster |
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| 21:23.53 | luther_driggers | kul. any last words for a linux newb who is gonna get a small laptop and put a linux distro on it? |
| 21:23.55 | simonrvn | yeh. on a g3 box anything x based is faster |
| 21:24.15 | luther_driggers | x based? |
| 21:24.16 | simonrvn | g4 box is the same as the g3 |
| 21:24.22 | simonrvn | xfree, x11 |
| 21:24.26 | simonrvn | @xfree86 |
| 21:24.28 | ravenbird | rumour has it, xfree86 is proof that world has gone mad, or a free open-source implementation of X11. http://www.xfree86.org/ or ask me about "install xf4" or "potato xf4" |
| 21:24.47 | simonrvn | @factinfo xfree86 |
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| 21:24.54 | pirroH | luther_driggers: read the stuff about debian on ibook g4 -> topic |
| 21:24.58 | Sonarman | is it possible to boot the new installer from the hard drive on a newworld mac? |
| 21:25.27 | simonrvn | read the install guide |
| 21:25.32 | simonrvn | @sarge install guide |
| 21:25.33 | ravenbird | go see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for the install guide. http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.powerpc/index.html |
| 21:25.33 | luther_driggers | pirroH: where do i find that |
| 21:26.03 | pirroH | topic, ibook g4 howto, http://tinyurl.com/2488m |
| 21:30.01 | Sonarman | simonrvn: thanks |
| 21:30.10 | simonrvn | np |
| 21:30.53 | luther_driggers | wow! you guys are all great help. those websites look helpful - now i'm even more sold ;) |
| 21:30.57 | luther_driggers | later |
| 21:33.55 | Sonarman | i can't find yaboot and yaboot.conf under /debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-powerpc/rc2/images/powerpc. any advice? |
| 21:38.31 | simonrvn | @d-i mirror is <reply>you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:38.31 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
| 21:38.49 | simonrvn | @daily sarge isosis <reply>http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/powerpc/sarge-powerpc-1.iso |
| 21:38.54 | simonrvn | @daily sarge isos is <reply>http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/powerpc/sarge-powerpc-1.iso |
| 21:38.55 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
| 21:39.53 | cricket | whats that damn command to install packages |
| 21:40.04 | ari | apt-get install ..? |
| 21:40.16 | simonrvn | @sarge isos is <reply>http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/powerpc/rc2/sarge-powerpc-businesscard.iso |
| 21:40.17 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
| 21:40.44 | cricket | yeh thanks |
| 21:40.51 | simonrvn | man apt, man dpkg |
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| 21:49.40 | cricket | im trying to install opengl libraries |
| 21:49.45 | cricket | but i dont knwow hat the pkg is called |
| 21:49.48 | cricket | how can i fidufre that out |
| 21:50.31 | Bor_Ed | apt-cache searc |
| 21:50.40 | Bor_Ed | search even |
| 21:50.51 | ari | aptitude |
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| 21:53.04 | DuCkLiNg | hey, I have one question as I´m about to buy two seagate barracude 7200.7 SATA hd´s ,.... but the difference between SoftSonic Fluid |
| 21:53.35 | DuCkLiNg | and FDB Fluid - I cant tell, does anyone have any experience? |
| 21:53.37 | Stereo | and? |
| 21:53.39 | Stereo | ah |
| 21:53.40 | simonrvn | not me |
| 21:53.42 | DuCkLiNg | :) |
| 21:53.45 | Stereo | not me either |
| 21:53.54 | DuCkLiNg | oki |
| 21:54.05 | simonrvn | google might help |
| 21:54.25 | Piru | well |
| 21:54.34 | DuCkLiNg | yeah, I have been checking a bit - but its not that easy to find on google vs. on irc |
| 21:54.40 | Piru | my experience is that 7200.7 is damn quiet hdd regardless of bearing type |
| 21:54.46 | DuCkLiNg | if asking the right place that is |
| 21:54.56 | Piru | I've got 120 and 200 gb pata ones |
| 21:55.02 | DuCkLiNg | yup so I have been told |
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| 21:55.09 | strat50s | hi |
| 21:55.13 | Piru | I can heard the PSU fan |
| 21:55.16 | Piru | not the hdds |
| 21:55.27 | DuCkLiNg | but the fluid cost a bit more 4 Euro or so - is it worth it? |
| 21:55.34 | DuCkLiNg | thats nice |
| 21:55.43 | Piru | no clue really |
| 21:55.45 | DuCkLiNg | I raelly cant tell |
| 21:55.57 | Piru | imo it's quiet regardless (I assume my patas don't have the new thing :) |
| 21:56.04 | DuCkLiNg | well as the price is highter I guess it is..but :) |
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| 21:56.46 | DuCkLiNg | but thanks anyways |
| 21:57.06 | Piru | when buying the 120 gb one, the 2mb cache version and 8mb cache version had price diff of 1 euro |
| 21:57.20 | Piru | I was like.. "wtf" :) |
| 21:58.14 | DuCkLiNg | hehe, yeah the difference isnt high with some dics |
| 21:58.25 | DuCkLiNg | even from 120-160 gb...its like 2 eur |
| 21:58.27 | DuCkLiNg | or less |
| 21:58.33 | DuCkLiNg | on some discs |
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| 22:00.26 | DuCkLiNg | anyawys - thanks and cu! |
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| 22:12.42 | cricket | hey what do i need in roder from direct rendering to work in X |
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| 23:15.42 | simonrvn | SeaForth: you, instead of i? :P |
| 23:18.39 | SeaForth | :) |
| 23:18.42 | SeaForth | simonrvn, that was a mistake, sorry |
| 23:19.01 | SeaForth | I wanted to be an iVar, and I thought 'i' would be cute. I was unable to change it just in one channel. |
| 23:19.11 | simonrvn | no it's ok, i was just kidding you |
| 23:19.14 | SeaForth | within minutes I was blue-noted on all channels. |
| 23:19.20 | simonrvn | heh |
| 23:19.22 | SeaForth | I became very popular in no time. |
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| 23:19.28 | SeaForth | false positives. |
| 23:20.03 | simonrvn | SeaForth: any success with toying with gnustep? |
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| 23:27.27 | SeaForth | simonrvn, yes and no. Yes with installation, no with getting paid, so I kinda have shelved it for now. |
| 23:27.47 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 23:29.40 | SeaForth | its unfortunate, but I can't work for free. I almost lost 150,000 worth of property due to not being paid. I have a fundamental problem with that issue. |
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| 23:47.38 | Callipygous | yo |
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