| 00:08.05 | sloopy | simonrvn: i got new shoes :') (uuhhhh whats a topic? ;') |
| 00:09.39 | simonrvn | phhhzzzt ;p |
| 00:11.11 | sloopy | simonrvn: first ones in 1.6 years... they are nice... it is wierd tho... the room seems slanted now... |
| 00:11.19 | simonrvn | heh |
| 00:12.08 | sloopy | simonrvn: oh something resembling the topic... tomorrow i am trading a 9600/300 for 3 Beige G3's :') |
| 00:12.31 | simonrvn | whoah |
| 00:12.55 | sloopy | yeah :') |
| 00:13.15 | demon | wow... how'd you get such a good deal? |
| 00:14.48 | simonrvn | ~kernel |
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| 01:02.57 | sloopy | demon: sold my soul to the devil and then drive there to get them... |
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| 01:53.21 | OmniColos | anyone playing FPS games in ppc-deb? |
| 01:53.45 | OmniColos | I'm also looking for a good RTS |
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| 05:13.21 | Tenniru_ | Hi... |
| 05:13.37 | Tenniru_ | Does anyone know how to make Debian recognize that mic built into the side of the screen on an iBook? |
| 06:03.45 | pahartik | Tenniru_: by using audio device driver |
| 06:06.24 | Tenniru_ | So... |
| 06:06.37 | Tenniru_ | Do I apt-get something or... how do I access it? |
| 06:08.41 | pahartik | Tenniru_: "alsamixer" and "arecord" |
| 06:09.14 | Tenniru_ | Then what? |
| 06:27.35 | pahartik | Tenniru_: then what? use it as audio input device? set input source to "Mic" and record something? |
| 06:28.10 | pahartik | Tenniru_: what else would you expect to do with microphone? |
| 06:29.19 | Tenniru_ | It doesn't show "mic". |
| 06:29.56 | Tenniru_ | Or any inputs. |
| 06:31.07 | pahartik | Tenniru_: it shows up fine on this iBook G4 |
| 06:31.59 | Tenniru_ | Not on the iBook G3... |
| 06:33.59 | pahartik | Tenniru_: then you obviously have to wait and see if ALSA "snd_powermac" driver will include support for that someday |
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| 06:34.13 | Tenniru_ | Oh well. |
| 06:37.38 | simonrvn | not too bright... |
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| 07:10.38 | bl4cks4ils | hi |
| 07:12.02 | bl4cks4ils | i'm trying to install g++ but it's giving me errors |
| 07:19.46 | simonrvn | such as? or do we get to guess what they are? |
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| 07:27.23 | bl4cks4ils | sorry, i got that to install now |
| 07:27.34 | bl4cks4ils | but i'm having another error |
| 07:28.19 | bl4cks4ils | checking for gzsetparams in -lz... no |
| 07:28.19 | bl4cks4ils | configure: error: *** GPLFLash requires libz. |
| 07:28.22 | bl4cks4ils | this is the new one |
| 07:28.45 | bl4cks4ils | i don't know what package to download |
| 07:31.29 | simonrvn | why are you compiling it? |
| 07:32.20 | bl4cks4ils | so i can install gplflash |
| 07:32.56 | bl4cks4ils | why do you ask? |
| 07:34.16 | simonrvn | because you could fetch it from your mirror |
| 07:34.57 | bl4cks4ils | it's not in the repos |
| 07:35.44 | simonrvn | libz is zlib IIRC. you're missing -dev package |
| 07:35.47 | pahartik | bl4cks4ils: it probably wants "zlib1g-dev" |
| 07:35.59 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:36.28 | bl4cks4ils | ahh |
| 07:36.37 | bl4cks4ils | i installed zlib1g |
| 07:37.18 | bl4cks4ils | checking for X11/XKBlib.h... no |
| 07:37.18 | bl4cks4ils | configure: error: cannot find X11 development files |
| 07:37.49 | simonrvn | the x -dev stuff. you need headers to build anything |
| 07:40.05 | bl4cks4ils | :/ |
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| 10:05.15 | ioops|oqp | hi all |
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| 11:47.17 | binbrain | anybody have problems with the gnome icons being broken in the latest unstable |
| 11:47.28 | binbrain | i upgraded and all my icons are broken |
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| 12:28.03 | Bor_Ed | hmm, is g3/233 wallstreet worth 100 eur ? |
| 12:29.58 | Piru | excuse my ignorance, but what's included in that system? |
| 12:31.17 | Bor_Ed | http://www.huuto.net/fi/showitem.php3?itemid=15110727 |
| 12:34.21 | karim | is there a way in gnome to have a mouse behavior in OS X style ? |
| 12:34.35 | karim | where the right mouse button is emulated by a longer click |
| 12:35.05 | Bor_Ed | maybe some mouse daemon can do that... don't know really, I opted for real mouse here (usb one) |
| 12:35.20 | Bor_Ed | @~3 mouse buttons |
| 12:35.23 | karim | I have a tiniy mouse too |
| 12:35.44 | karim | but the mac mouse is optical and have a better reaction |
| 12:35.47 | Bor_Ed | this is normally sized, 3 buttons and couple of wheels |
| 12:36.12 | Bor_Ed | you can emulate 3 buttons on linux... bot just refuses to work with me for a change |
| 12:36.53 | karim | they should give up on the one button mouse |
| 12:36.58 | karim | that's ridiculous |
| 12:36.58 | jaska | yeah |
| 12:37.02 | jaska | should have given up long ago |
| 12:37.08 | jaska | its especially annoying on laptops |
| 12:37.36 | Bor_Ed | doesn't recent lappies have more than 1 button ? |
| 12:38.41 | karim | damn I forgot I brought this microsoft mouse here ^^ |
| 12:39.04 | Bor_Ed | lol |
| 12:43.53 | karim | fucking flash |
| 12:43.59 | karim | how to disable this crap ? |
| 12:44.04 | grivell | Bor_Ed: No recent laptops do not have more than 1 button |
| 12:44.45 | karim | in firefox |
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| 12:47.28 | Bor_Ed | hmm, X decided to die |
| 12:49.50 | karim | is there a way to disable that flash player |
| 12:49.57 | karim | without totaly removing it |
| 12:50.32 | Bor_Ed | not really... I removed the whole thingy here eventually |
| 12:50.56 | jaska | heh, i tend to eradicate such things |
| 12:51.28 | grivell | karim: What browser? |
| 12:51.31 | karim | firefox |
| 12:51.55 | grivell | .mozilla/ .firefox/ Or something. Remove the plugins' files. |
| 12:52.42 | karim | ok |
| 12:53.18 | Bor_Ed | /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins usually |
| 12:53.48 | Bor_Ed | libswfcodec.so or so |
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| 13:00.26 | telefono | hi ! |
| 13:00.33 | telefono | I am in shell linux |
| 13:00.44 | telefono | whit bootx for now |
| 13:00.56 | telefono | how to mount an hd? |
| 13:01.04 | telefono | in /dev |
| 13:01.06 | telefono | i see |
| 13:01.27 | telefono | adb console fb floppy etc.. |
| 13:01.32 | telefono | but not |
| 13:01.37 | telefono | sda or hda |
| 13:01.41 | telefono | why ? |
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| 15:23.32 | Karhuton | I'm trying to install Sarge on this (model 200): http://lowendmac.com/power/tower.shtml with this: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/powerpc/rc2/sarge-powerpc-netinst.iso but it doesn't support bootable CDs. I used this: http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-powerpc/current//images/powerpc/floppy-2.4/boot.img but when I restard the machine it spits the floppy out. |
| 15:25.23 | Karhuton | In the macos it identifies the floppy as "boot floppy" and it has only file 'vmlinuz' in it. |
| 15:27.56 | Karhuton | Do I have the wrong kind of boot floppy? I created it in Windows using rawwrite for NT. |
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| 18:00.13 | Bor_Ed | mockos really blows goats... I decided to upgrade quickly from 8.1 to 9.1 ... 4-5 hours to fsck up with the install :I |
| 18:01.10 | Petro | I read something about someone installing Mac OS X on an m68k |
| 18:01.31 | Bor_Ed | mockosx is ppc only... |
| 18:01.37 | Bor_Ed | no way to run it on 68k |
| 18:01.47 | Petro | took him days I believe, using debian and qemu |
| 18:02.05 | Bor_Ed | ahh, qemu allows ppc emulation |
| 18:02.09 | Petro | or maybe it was a first-gen ppc, bah I don't know |
| 18:02.30 | Bor_Ed | pci ppcs will run osx |
| 18:02.31 | Stereo | no, it was a quadra 700 just like mine |
| 18:02.33 | Petro | point is it was really old, took him lots of time, and completely pointless |
| 18:02.44 | Stereo | with pearpc IIRC |
| 18:02.55 | Bor_Ed | I'd run a/ux on quadra :o |
| 18:03.09 | Petro | then again installing linux on my iBook was completely pointless too (except for netpanzer, boson, and TORCS) |
| 18:03.41 | Petro | I tried out BeOS on a Power Computing, sucked balls, I'm going to try out testing |
| 18:03.52 | Petro | do the floppy images work? |
| 18:04.15 | Bor_Ed | d-i rc2 floppies boot on oldworld |
| 18:04.30 | Petro | ok, thanks, g2g |
| 18:10.58 | Bor_Ed | anyone happen to know mockos (classic) driver download pages ? |
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| 18:26.23 | Bor_Ed | nm, found some driver |
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| 18:53.50 | Karhuton | I'm trying to install Sarge on this (model 200): http://www.lowendmac.com/power/towerpro.html with this: sarge-powerpc-netinst.iso but it doesn't support bootable CDs. I used this: .../powerpc/floppy-2.4/boot.img but when I restard the machine it spits the floppy out. |
| 18:54.51 | Petro | How did you put the boot.img onto the floppy? |
| 18:55.10 | Karhuton | In Windows using rawwrite for NT. |
| 18:55.32 | Karhuton | In the macos it identifies the floppy as "boot floppy" and it has only file 'vmlinuz' in it. |
| 18:55.42 | Petro | http://blug.brown.edu/pipermail/discuss/2004-November/002042.html try this out |
| 18:56.28 | Petro | Your probably better off using bootx |
| 18:58.12 | Karhuton | Does that mean I'll have to use the MacOS WITH Linux? |
| 18:58.39 | Karhuton | Umm Linux via MacOs... I can't get rid of the mac completely? |
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| 19:11.10 | Petro | Eventually you could use quik |
| 19:12.06 | Petro | http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/quik/ |
| 19:12.24 | Bor_Ed | Karhuton, nice nick... though tweaking the quik to work could require _some_ work |
| 19:18.38 | Petro | Bor_Ed: What about his nick? |
| 19:19.03 | Bor_Ed | means bearless ... karhu is beer label here :D |
| 19:19.15 | Bor_Ed | whoops, and karhu == bear |
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| 19:28.47 | Nero | Hallo |
| 19:29.02 | Bor_Ed | goten tag |
| 19:29.06 | Nero | Kennst sich hier jemand mit Debian Linux aus? |
| 19:29.15 | Nero | Ich werd noch verrückt |
| 19:29.21 | Bor_Ed | english would be easier for us I think |
| 19:29.38 | Nero | No my language is German |
| 19:29.41 | Nero | sorry |
| 19:29.55 | Bor_Ed | mine's finnish... and ppl are all over the globe here |
| 19:30.03 | Nero | Kann keiner dutsch hier? |
| 19:31.04 | Bor_Ed | hmm |
| 19:52.11 | t4 | ihk kan dutsch :) |
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| 19:53.55 | Bor_Ed | a bit late though :) |
| 19:54.14 | t4 | yeah, i was on the phone :) |
| 19:54.26 | Petro | I have this first.b and second.b in my /boot directory, can I rm them? |
| 19:55.34 | Bor_Ed | I have those and .preserved ones too |
| 19:55.53 | Bor_Ed | some kB's of size... prolly not worth to remove |
| 19:55.54 | Petro | They're really bugging me |
| 19:56.44 | Petro | This doesn't have to do with space, it has to do with aesthetics |
| 19:57.03 | Bor_Ed | try to move them elsewhere and see what happens |
| 19:57.42 | Petro | Hehe, reminds me of when I removed /sbin |
| 19:57.59 | Petro | I think I'll google around some first |
| 19:59.00 | Petro | Ok never mind, I'll let them be, that .b stands for boot, it's the first and second boot stages |
| 19:59.19 | Bor_Ed | hehe, prolly good idea to save then |
| 20:10.10 | Petro | Is i2c any use on iBooks (v2) |
| 20:10.39 | Bor_Ed | afaik temp sensors and such gear runs on that bus |
| 20:11.15 | Petro | I don't really use it but does anything critical depend on it? |
| 20:11.34 | Bor_Ed | frequency scaling, fan control and so on |
| 20:12.25 | Petro | How can I check which driver i2c needs? |
| 20:12.41 | Bor_Ed | check lsmod on running kernel |
| 20:12.51 | Petro | Ok |
| 20:13.29 | Petro | None |
| 20:13.44 | Bor_Ed | might be built in |
| 20:15.18 | Petro | Yeah, I'll leave those alone then |
| 20:16.19 | Petro | Does bootsplash work on oldworld? |
| 20:17.10 | Bor_Ed | no idea... prolly if fbdev is inited correctly |
| 20:18.40 | Petro | Ok I'm really confused, what is the relation between OSS, ALSA, and SND, I know ALSA has replaced OSS but wtf is SND because it's the only module loaded? |
| 20:19.03 | Bor_Ed | snd_powermac is alsa driver |
| 20:19.15 | Petro | Ah ok |
| 20:26.41 | Petro | And off make-kpkg goes |
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| 21:45.37 | OmniColos | hello |
| 21:45.53 | OmniColos | bah forgot to set my afk/zzz :P |
| 21:46.05 | OmniColos | really I did get soem sleep last night |
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| 22:26.00 | Slackman | hi guys, if i want a debian-ppc cd that uses x.org 6.8.1+ and KDE 3.3.2+ which one do i need? sarge or sid? |
| 22:26.45 | Bor_Ed | deb currently doesn't ship with x.org |
| 22:27.54 | OmniColos | you may wanna try ubuntu-hoary |
| 22:28.09 | OmniColos | it uses x.org, but not the most stable right now |
| 22:28.09 | Slackman | OmniColos: yeh i looked at that but they don't have kde |
| 22:28.33 | OmniColos | you may have to wait for kubuntu then... |
| 22:28.35 | Slackman | xfree looks crap on my ibook compared to x.org...dunno why |
| 22:28.42 | Slackman | kubuntu? |
| 22:28.46 | OmniColos | yep |
| 22:29.38 | Slackman | hmm...will look for that...shame though...i heard good things about debian ppc |
| 22:29.39 | OmniColos | actually you can use kde in hoary |
| 22:29.41 | OmniColos | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu |
| 22:29.45 | OmniColos | so it sweems |
| 22:30.11 | Slackman | last time i checked the PPC version of KDE hadn't been fixed |
| 22:30.19 | OmniColos | would anyone happen to know how to setup eap-ttls for ibook/airport? |
| 22:30.20 | Slackman | might check again though |
| 22:30.57 | Slackman | OmniColos: since ubuntu is debian based can i install debians kde packages? |
| 22:31.29 | OmniColos | problably yeah, as long as you add deb repositories, but it is not reccomended |
| 22:32.00 | OmniColos | have you tried ubuntu from a live cd? |
| 22:32.17 | OmniColos | I use warty on my ibook |
| 22:32.31 | OmniColos | installed not live |
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