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| 09:06.15 | mooch | hi |
| 09:22.52 | mooch | i have just installed my ibook2.2 and plenty of things dont work under sarge/sid |
| 09:23.59 | mooch | sleep is broken, for example. It keeps the screen on when i close the lid, and resuming is also broken, since I cannot see anything on screen |
| 09:24.12 | mooch | fblevel variations are also broken... |
| 09:27.46 | simonrvn | sleep is still iffy, and not sure about video |
| 09:27.54 | simonrvn | (as you saw) |
| 09:36.37 | mooch | simonrvn: it is an ibook2.2 |
| 09:36.47 | mooch | sleep was working perfect 2 years ago |
| 09:37.18 | mooch | and with 2.6.8 the screen goes down fine when I press the IO button |
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| 09:48.55 | simonrvn | ok |
| 09:48.59 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 09:51.00 | mooch | it is a pity since it was working fine, and i just installed linux on it to have a computer that goes to sleep properly... |
| 09:51.17 | mooch | all the other thinkpads and shit I got from work do not work fine with sleep... |
| 09:51.28 | simonrvn | seems like some stuff regressed |
| 09:51.46 | mooch | yep |
| 09:52.09 | mooch | maybe i have to install woody :) |
| 09:53.02 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 11:54.07 | Bor_Ed | hmm, mockos has nice 3d acceleration on the voodoo3 but none on linux :I |
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| 12:10.37 | mooch | anyone with an ibook2.2 14" working fine with sid and sleep? |
| 12:12.00 | al_ | mooch, me. |
| 12:16.13 | mooch | al_: did anything special to make it work? |
| 12:16.25 | al_ | apt-get install pmud |
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| 12:16.32 | al_ | (or pbbuttonsd, as you like) |
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| 12:27.00 | mooch | i just installed sarge, upgraded to sid and sleep works very bad... |
| 12:27.22 | mooch | randomly it mangles the screen, it hangs, it ... |
| 12:27.37 | mooch | i am even tempted to try ubuntu :( |
| 12:28.50 | Q-FUNK | join the tribe ;) |
| 12:34.09 | mooch | Q-FUNK: i am trying to avoid is as much as possible, as a DD, except for some frontend laptop i am using |
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| 12:51.07 | mooch | Q-FUNK: not that i have anything against it, but i believe is better we repair debian than move to ubuntu |
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| 13:04.40 | Madjic | i tried to install Woody on a PPC PowerMacintosh G3 so i ran the installation from the boot floppy and the root floppy, and followed all the steps |
| 13:05.02 | Madjic | i do not use a swap partition and did NOT create a bot disk |
| 13:05.54 | Madjic | when i start the PPC up now, it just gvies me a white screen with a lot of can't OPEN: |
| 13:07.59 | Madjic | i think i can't even boot from floppy anymore, who can help me? |
| 13:15.38 | Bor_Ed | alt+apple+p+r after boing, keep down for couple of boings, release and you can boot from floppy again |
| 13:20.00 | Madjic | ok, thx |
| 13:27.47 | Bor_Ed | lol |
| 13:28.24 | Q-FUNK | here she goes getting herself vacuumend into yet another tupperware scheme... |
| 13:28.36 | Q-FUNK | prkl |
| 13:29.06 | Q-FUNK | vtn vtt |
| 13:29.12 | Bor_Ed | mmm, tupperware :D |
| 13:29.25 | Bor_Ed | I actually have 1 of those spoons somewhere here :) |
| 13:29.26 | Q-FUNK | worse: some health products of some sort. |
| 13:29.31 | Bor_Ed | ouch |
| 13:30.07 | Bor_Ed | hmm, friend had 'em too some years back... 2k eur/mo promised profit, he made ~200 eur in couple of years |
| 13:30.22 | Q-FUNK | they look like ok health products, but she gets too easily carried. that distributor is trying to talk her into becoming a reseller herself. |
| 13:30.40 | Bor_Ed | why ofcourse, that's how the hoax works |
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| 13:35.53 | mooch | Q-FUNK: funny way of swearing... |
| 13:36.46 | Q-FUNK | mooch: it's not like I'm gonna yell at her while the snake oil saleslady (who is an acquaintance of hers) is still here. |
| 13:37.21 | Q-FUNK | the best I can do is give her the evil eye when the snake oil lady is looking towards her... |
| 13:41.51 | mooch | Q-FUNK: is one of these "natural something?" |
| 13:42.35 | Q-FUNK | mooch: uh? |
| 13:43.53 | Q-FUNK | the brand you mean? |
| 13:44.06 | Q-FUNK | gmld... or something like that |
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| 17:30.47 | binbrain | hey, i upgraded to the latest testing and all my icons are broken |
| 17:30.51 | binbrain | for every theme |
| 17:31.00 | binbrain | any tips on what to check for? |
| 17:31.12 | binbrain | *gnome* by the way |
| 17:32.29 | dj-death | yeah me too |
| 17:32.45 | dj-death | seems to be a problem of pkg dependencie |
| 17:32.54 | dj-death | I reported that |
| 17:33.51 | dj-death | hmmm |
| 17:33.57 | dj-death | or not |
| 17:34.14 | dj-death | I reported that I cant install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 17:34.35 | dj-death | because it depends on gnomemeeting |
| 17:34.48 | dj-death | and gnomemeeting depends on libpt-1.6.3 |
| 17:34.54 | binbrain | ok |
| 17:34.58 | dj-death | which does not exist anymore |
| 17:35.07 | dj-death | my icons are broken too |
| 17:35.10 | binbrain | as long as I'm not the only 1 |
| 17:35.23 | dj-death | but it seems it's another problem |
| 17:35.42 | binbrain | I google'd it on how to fix it I didn't come up with much |
| 17:35.50 | binbrain | i thought maybe some path was wrong or something |
| 17:36.39 | binbrain | did you report that the icons are broken? |
| 17:36.45 | dj-death | no |
| 17:36.57 | binbrain | hmmm |
| 17:37.00 | binbrain | want to? |
| 17:37.10 | dj-death | I dont know to which package I need to report it |
| 17:37.11 | binbrain | at least you and I have the problem |
| 17:37.17 | binbrain | errr |
| 17:37.20 | binbrain | umm |
| 17:37.39 | dj-death | do you know ? |
| 17:37.52 | binbrain | gnome-themes maybe |
| 17:38.06 | binbrain | or gnome-icon-theme |
| 17:38.18 | binbrain | or maybe gnome-themes-common |
| 17:38.19 | binbrain | ??? |
| 17:38.23 | binbrain | don'no |
| 17:38.54 | dj-death | gnome-icon-theme |
| 17:38.57 | dj-death | let's go |
| 17:40.36 | binbrain | says "icons which are used for GNOME desktop theme |
| 17:40.37 | binbrain | " |
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| 21:38.37 | neli | hi |
| 21:38.48 | neli | using an oldworld mac |
| 21:38.52 | neli | trying to boot linux using quik |
| 21:39.12 | neli | the kernel gets loaded (i think) but the screen turns black and nothing happens? |
| 21:39.20 | neli | any tips? |
| 21:42.32 | simonrvn | kind of mac? |
| 21:43.33 | neli | 9600 |
| 21:44.10 | neli | i also have macos 9 on it, and can boot the kernel with bootX |
| 21:46.34 | simonrvn | have you set the boot-device when you (try to) boot with quik? |
| 21:47.03 | neli | yes otherwise quik did not appear at all |
| 21:47.18 | neli | scsi-int/sd@0:0 |
| 21:47.29 | simonrvn | sorry question... half asleep.. |
| 21:47.34 | simonrvn | stupid* |
| 21:47.53 | neli | np ;) |
| 21:48.16 | neli | i'm a newbie to macs |
| 21:51.35 | neli | http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/quik/quirks.php |
| 21:51.48 | neli | i see that A/B models need Load-Base or some such |
| 21:52.15 | simonrvn | yeh, might need it - set from linux, OF, or mock os |
| 21:52.20 | neli | but it does not tell me to what i should change it |
| 21:53.29 | neli | what's the keyboard combination to reboot the machine ? |
| 21:53.39 | simonrvn | default on those is 4000 (hex), iirc it should be set to 100000 or such. http://wiki.kisikew.org/bin/view/Know/MacModels has some tips |
| 21:53.51 | simonrvn | ctrl-command-power key |
| 21:53.51 | neli | i keep hitting the power button which could be bad |
| 21:54.26 | simonrvn | power button alond doesn't work by default in linux ;) |
| 21:54.58 | neli | command, is that the one with an apple on it ? |
| 21:55.08 | simonrvn | yup |
| 21:55.13 | neli | power, is that the key in the top-right |
| 21:55.17 | simonrvn | yup |
| 21:55.23 | neli | because i tried that combination and it does not seem to have an effect |
| 21:55.35 | simonrvn | ctrl-command first, then power |
| 21:55.52 | neli | ah ok, from OF it works |
| 21:55.58 | neli | anyway the load-base |
| 21:56.03 | neli | it's 4000 per default |
| 21:56.13 | neli | and i haven't changed it |
| 21:56.29 | simonrvn | use system disk in mac os to change it |
| 21:57.02 | neli | it cannot be done from OF ? |
| 21:57.06 | neli | setenv load-base 100000 |
| 21:57.08 | simonrvn | sure |
| 21:57.12 | neli | is what i was going to try |
| 21:57.19 | simonrvn | ok :) |
| 21:57.40 | neli | somehow, that site isn't reachable ? :S |
| 21:57.54 | neli | nm, slow connection |
| 21:58.12 | simonrvn | yeh :/. it's saturated right now |
| 22:00.36 | neli | nope, black screen again |
| 22:02.23 | neli | now the reboot shortcut combination does not work |
| 22:02.29 | neli | (with the black screen) |
| 22:02.35 | simonrvn | try again |
| 22:02.51 | simonrvn | what are your OF settings? |
| 22:03.16 | neli | do i need to type 'em all ? :) |
| 22:05.26 | simonrvn | no, load-base, boot-device, output- and input-device, boot-file, and boot-command |
| 22:06.07 | neli | load-base 4000 (tried 100000 and 60000) |
| 22:06.19 | neli | boot-device scsi-int/sd@0:0 |
| 22:06.51 | neli | output-device /bandit@F2000000/IMS,tt128mb8A |
| 22:06.58 | neli | input-device kbd |
| 22:07.38 | neli | boot-file /bandit/gc/mesh/sd@0:4/boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerc root=/dev/sda4 |
| 22:07.42 | simonrvn | those ims twin turbo cards are iffy... did you try hitting the cuda button yet? |
| 22:07.58 | simonrvn | oh, boot-file isn't that at all. it's the same as label= in quik.conf |
| 22:08.22 | neli | boot-command begin ['] boot .... |
| 22:08.26 | simonrvn | ok |
| 22:08.37 | neli | what is the cuda button ? |
| 22:08.42 | simonrvn | do you have an OF patch? |
| 22:08.58 | neli | not that i know of |
| 22:09.27 | simonrvn | a litte red button, usually near the CPU in macs, elsewhere more reachable in mac clones, you unplug it, press that button, and then plug it back in and try to boot it |
| 22:09.32 | simonrvn | little* |
| 22:09.34 | neli | boot-file is what i would type at the quik prompt ? |
| 22:10.00 | simonrvn | no, boot-file - per the quik.conf default settings would be Linux |
| 22:10.32 | neli | ok |
| 22:10.42 | neli | what does the red button do? :S |
| 22:10.43 | simonrvn | boot-file in this case is the thing you want to boot. oh, what version of quik is this? |
| 22:10.53 | simonrvn | just does a lower level reset |
| 22:11.09 | simonrvn | it forces the box to re-scan some stuff, esp. pci |
| 22:11.54 | neli | ok i'll try finding it... |
| 22:11.58 | simonrvn | (yes, this means you have to take the cover off ;) |
| 22:12.44 | simonrvn | thos video cards are notoriously difficult to work with in linux, to get booting |
| 22:12.47 | simonrvn | e |
| 22:13.34 | neli | lucky me :S |
| 22:13.38 | simonrvn | heh |
| 22:14.53 | neli | i've taken the cpu out |
| 22:15.20 | simonrvn | yeh, just make sure you grounded yourself ;) |
| 22:15.42 | neli | can't find the red button though |
| 22:16.13 | neli | is it on the back, or under the passive cooler-block |
| 22:16.31 | simonrvn | yeh. apple decided to hide them for some reason... |
| 22:17.01 | neli | aha! |
| 22:17.05 | neli | it's on the motherboard |
| 22:17.13 | simonrvn | of course :) |
| 22:17.42 | neli | does it store the fact i've pressed it in some RAM or so ? |
| 22:18.04 | simonrvn | it'll "know" |
| 22:20.33 | neli | right |
| 22:22.08 | neli | retry with load-base 4000 ? |
| 22:22.12 | neli | or 100000 ? |
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| 22:22.59 | neli | simonrvn: how do i know if i have the OF patch ? |
| 22:23.02 | neli | and what does it do? |
| 22:23.26 | simonrvn | printenv nvramrc will have something and use-nvramrc? will be set to true |
| 22:23.41 | neli | ok that holds |
| 22:24.14 | neli | looks like gibberish ;-) |
| 22:24.37 | simonrvn | modified forth yeh, it does ;P |
| 22:25.11 | neli | so when will this "red-button" reset be "undone" ? |
| 22:25.23 | simonrvn | just hold it for a few seconds |
| 22:25.25 | neli | or nobody knows ? :) |
| 22:33.15 | neli | nope still black screen |
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| 22:38.44 | simonrvn | checking shit out ATM |
| 22:40.01 | simonrvn | bbiab |
| 22:50.43 | simonrvn | sorry, something came up... |
| 22:54.19 | simonrvn | well, you can always try to zap the PRAM... don't know if that'll help |
| 22:54.38 | simonrvn | (which means you'll have to re-input the OF settings if you do do that) |
| 22:54.43 | simonrvn | neli: ^^^ |
| 23:00.20 | neli | yes done that a dozen times already :) |
| 23:00.48 | neli | before i got to know the hang of OF |
| 23:00.55 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 23:01.20 | simonrvn | good that you know though =) |
| 23:02.17 | neli | hehe |
| 23:02.37 | neli | i can't understand it's impossible to boot linux natively |
| 23:03.01 | simonrvn | it isn't. video isn't coopertaing.. do you have an append= line in quik.conf? |
| 23:03.08 | neli | don't know what's happening when the kernel loads... |
| 23:03.10 | simonrvn | cooperating even |
| 23:03.13 | neli | nope, no append |
| 23:04.01 | neli | can i boot without video ? |
| 23:04.47 | simonrvn | usually yes. do you have some sort of LAN-accessible service running on it? you can try to connect... |
| 23:04.58 | neli | ssh |
| 23:05.12 | neli | but it doesn't even ping |
| 23:05.27 | simonrvn | and if it's ssh, then try to add an append="video=imsttfb" to quik.conf (and run it afterwards) |
| 23:05.30 | simonrvn | ah, ok |
| 23:06.10 | simonrvn | i've seen this... our solution was to do the cuda button thing. oh, do you have a known working battery for it? |
| 23:06.38 | simonrvn | little round thing, likely purple or yellow in colour |
| 23:06.52 | neli | no i think not |
| 23:07.01 | neli | i think there is a battery on the motherboard? |
| 23:07.10 | simonrvn | yes |
| 23:07.36 | simonrvn | (just eliminating possibilities here) |
| 23:07.51 | neli | so, should i take the battery out as well |
| 23:07.53 | neli | ? |
| 23:07.59 | simonrvn | should held down with a little black clip |
| 23:08.07 | neli | as well as main power, that is |
| 23:08.27 | simonrvn | um, do you have a voltimeter? |
| 23:08.59 | neli | i should have :) |
| 23:09.05 | neli | dunno if i can find it though :( |
| 23:09.12 | simonrvn | test it if you do, and should read a minimum of 3.5 |
| 23:10.56 | simonrvn | i doubt it's that, but it can cause other problems |
| 23:11.42 | simonrvn | ~lart aol proxies |
| 23:11.56 | neli | how do i get the clip off ? |
| 23:12.37 | simonrvn | pry it off by lifting it sideways and away from the mobo |
| 23:12.57 | simonrvn | also by lifting one of the ends off first |
| 23:13.08 | neli | got it |
| 23:24.39 | neli | thanks for the help |
| 23:25.03 | simonrvn | np. sleep well |
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