| 00:59.02 | *** join/#debianppc pumk (~guam@adsl-69-105-156-92.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 01:28.41 | *** join/#debianppc [MA]MTM84|X| (~mtm84@ca-fulrtn-cuda1e-76.lmdaca.adelphia.net) |
| 02:25.41 | *** join/#debianppc xbaez (~xbaez@201.138.169.48) |
| 02:43.00 | *** join/#debianppc farruinn (~nathan@cpe-69-201-10-57.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 02:55.32 | *** join/#debianppc Bizarro_paco (~mp@pcp03002714pcs.stclar01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 02:55.56 | Bizarro_paco | does anyone know which pcmcia module i need to install ndiswrapper for sarge? |
| 02:57.01 | dj-death | on ppc architecture ? |
| 02:58.16 | Bizarro_paco | i dont know what that means..i have the 2.6.8-2-386 kernel |
| 02:58.57 | dj-death | debianppc is the debian powerpc port channel |
| 02:59.12 | dj-death | powerpc ~= apple computers ;) |
| 02:59.26 | Bizarro_paco | okay...is my question inapplicable here? i am asking this channel cause nnone else seems to know |
| 03:00.14 | dj-death | well ndiswrapper is a ugly hack to use windows drivers under linux x86 only |
| 03:00.52 | Bizarro_paco | oh..why do u call ndiswrapper an 'ugly' hack? |
| 03:00.56 | dj-death | I dont think a lot of people will help you there |
| 03:01.00 | thebug | don't forget about the nice RS/6000s and other PPC boards ;) |
| 03:01.10 | dj-death | thebug: sure ;) |
| 03:01.26 | dj-death | and pegasos workstations ;) |
| 03:01.35 | *** part/#debianppc Bizarro_paco (~mp@pcp03002714pcs.stclar01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 03:01.38 | *** join/#debianppc Bizarro_paco (~mp@pcp03002714pcs.stclar01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 03:02.16 | Bizarro_paco | thanx for your time anyways...by the way, is powerpc a computer or box you can buy with debian already on it? |
| 03:02.33 | dj-death | yes |
| 03:02.44 | Bizarro_paco | and, why do you call ndiswrapper a 'hack'?? |
| 03:02.58 | Bizarro_paco | sorry i only meant one question mark |
| 03:03.03 | dj-death | because that's what it is ;) |
| 03:03.20 | pahartik | Bizarro_paco: PowerPC is CPU |
| 03:03.50 | Bizarro_paco | oh, so power pc is not a company like gateway or something, right? |
| 03:04.11 | dj-death | yeah |
| 03:04.17 | Bizarro_paco | dj-death, what do u consier a 'hack'? |
| 03:04.40 | Bizarro_paco | dj-death, sorry for my spelling...consier=consider |
| 03:04.52 | pahartik | Bizarro_paco: http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
| 03:05.20 | dj-death | Bizarro_paco: loading windows drivers into kernel space is ugly enough for me |
| 03:06.46 | Bizarro_paco | dj-death, okay |
| 03:07.21 | dj-death | Bizarro_paco: that's why we cant use ndiswrapper on powerpc processors |
| 03:07.35 | dj-death | Bizarro_paco: windows drivers are compiled for x86 |
| 03:08.01 | Bizarro_paco | dj-death, if i boguht my computer used, how do i know what architecture i have? |
| 03:08.43 | Bizarro_paco | i have an ibm thinkpad |
| 03:09.00 | dj-death | thinkpad use intel processors |
| 03:09.09 | dj-death | so it's x86 |
| 03:11.06 | Bizarro_paco | okay, well thanx for your time...you felllas really love linux, dont you? |
| 03:11.36 | Bizarro_paco | i mean, why do you guys hate windows so much? i know for myself, i hate the blue screen of death |
| 03:11.47 | *** join/#debianppc simonrvn (simon@simonrvn.user) |
| 03:12.13 | dj-death | Bizarro_paco: heh ;) |
| 03:12.32 | fluffy_wolf | I hate slow, buggy, restrictive, privacy-invading, corporate-bully-controlled, anti-user-friendly, ugly, intentionally broken, umm... |
| 03:12.51 | *** join/#debianppc pumk (~guam@adsl-69-105-156-92.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 03:13.26 | dj-death | Bizarro_paco: windows is too expensive |
| 03:13.35 | dj-death | Bizarro_paco: too buggy |
| 03:13.53 | dj-death | Bizarro_paco: runs on too less architectures |
| 03:14.20 | dj-death | Bizarro_paco: linux and most of software you can install on are free |
| 03:14.24 | Bizarro_paco | well, i have been trying to install ndiswrapper for a month on debian, yet on microsoft, i can get my wireless going in two seconds |
| 03:14.36 | Bizarro_paco | thats the only frustrating thing |
| 03:14.42 | dj-death | Bizarro_paco: you can do whatever you want with them |
| 03:15.06 | fluffy_wolf | I'm sure if the company spent 1/10th as much money developing the linux driver as they did the windows one, it would install easily too... |
| 03:15.25 | Bizarro_paco | the only thing is that darn wireless |
| 03:15.25 | dj-death | yeah ;) |
| 03:16.52 | Bizarro_paco | so, the one thing i have learned about this conversation, is that a cpu is referred to as an architecture, and that microsoft kills babies. |
| 03:18.05 | fluffy_wolf | Bizarro_paco: good summary. glad you were paying attention. |
| 03:18.23 | Bizarro_paco | well, was i right about the first part? |
| 03:19.49 | pahartik | dj-death: AFAIK, IBM has also built some models of PowerPC or POWER based "thinkpad" portables |
| 03:20.11 | dj-death | pahartik: really ? |
| 03:20.37 | dj-death | pahartik: does ibm still build powerpc thinkpad ? |
| 03:21.12 | Bizarro_paco | thanx everyone for your time |
| 03:21.13 | *** part/#debianppc Bizarro_paco (~mp@pcp03002714pcs.stclar01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 03:23.15 | pahartik | dj-death: http://www.tecnopolis.ca/aixtp/ |
| 03:24.28 | dj-death | god ! |
| 03:24.34 | dj-death | windows NT for powerpc |
| 03:25.30 | dj-death | only 2 models |
| 03:26.44 | *** join/#debianppc assassin (~assassin@assassin.user) |
| 03:30.32 | *** join/#debianppc dloer (~killerbyt@p54A1FB30.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:33.14 | *** join/#debianppc farruinn (~nathan@cpe-69-201-12-137.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 03:33.37 | farruinn | in a dual boot situation does yaboot+linux have to be before os x on the drive? |
| 03:34.23 | demon | it's suggested, but not critical |
| 03:35.42 | *** join/#debianppc sk1p_ (alex@pD95D34E4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:37.39 | farruinn | cool, thanks |
| 03:45.17 | *** part/#debianppc KB1FYR (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) |
| 03:45.42 | dj-death | farruinn: on my drive yaboot is after os x |
| 03:45.44 | simonrvn | that *would* be nice, a power* thinkpad... |
| 03:45.46 | dj-death | linux too |
| 05:09.39 | *** join/#debianppc damog (~damog@201.137.7.106) |
| 06:01.09 | *** join/#debianppc emp__ (~emp@71-32-20-244.blng.qwest.net) |
| 06:50.12 | *** join/#debianppc pumk (~guam@adsl-69-105-156-92.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 07:18.09 | *** join/#debianppc [MA]MTM84|X| (~mtm84@ca-fulrtn-cuda1e-76.lmdaca.adelphia.net) |
| 07:25.28 | *** join/#debianppc fluffy_wolf (~randyg@ip68-105-23-171.hu.sd.cox.net) |
| 07:29.01 | fluffy_wolf | power back on. blah. |
| 07:29.18 | fluffy_wolf | for some reason my generator and my ups don't play together nicely... probably need to retune the generator and/or convince the ups not to be so picky. |
| 07:41.14 | neli | simonrvn: btw, i'm using the quik from testing |
| 07:41.24 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:42.54 | neli | it booted into macos now |
| 07:43.07 | neli | because i had taken the battery out i guess |
| 07:44.25 | neli | still no luck starting linux though :( |
| 07:49.32 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 07:53.48 | neli | isn't there a dummy video device ? |
| 07:53.58 | neli | so i can take the videocard problem out of the equation |
| 07:56.24 | simonrvn | you could try booting with video=ofonly |
| 07:56.48 | simonrvn | ...as an option to 'boot Linux' command |
| 07:57.04 | simonrvn | like: boot Linux video=ofonly |
| 08:07.12 | neli | simonrvn: still get black screen |
| 08:12.46 | simonrvn | start googling :/ |
| 08:15.54 | neli | video=ofonly should use the OF display ? |
| 08:19.39 | simonrvn | yeh. no video accel or anything |
| 08:23.27 | neli | strange that even that does not work |
| 08:23.38 | neli | monitor simply gets no signal at all |
| 08:23.56 | simonrvn | and works in mac os... |
| 08:24.50 | simonrvn | does that kernel you're trying to boot have support for it? i'm assuming this is the install kernel (so it should have it, i think) |
| 08:30.16 | neli | TBH i don't have the kernel config of this kernel |
| 08:30.41 | neli | does debian identify it's installer kernels ? |
| 08:32.41 | *** join/#debianppc assassin (~assassin@assassin.user) |
| 09:00.44 | simonrvn | neli: yeh. should be under d/debian-installer in a mirror's pool/ dir |
| 09:01.11 | neli | somebody compiled a custom kernel for this box |
| 09:01.18 | simonrvn | ah |
| 09:01.25 | neli | openfirmware and imsttfb were built in |
| 09:01.31 | simonrvn | ok |
| 09:01.37 | neli | the rest was not |
| 09:32.03 | *** join/#debianppc bender-RW- (~juergens@isf218.isf.RWTH-Aachen.DE) |
| 09:33.04 | *** join/#debianppc [MA]MTM84|X| (~mtm84@ca-fulrtn-cuda1e-76.lmdaca.adelphia.net) |
| 10:01.49 | *** join/#debianppc simonrvn (simon@simonrvn.user) |
| 10:58.19 | *** join/#debianppc mirak (~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-34-145.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 12:01.08 | *** join/#debianppc simonrvn (simon@simonrvn.user) |
| 12:17.35 | *** join/#debianppc Madjic (~bla@pD9E337F9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:18.31 | *** join/#debianppc [MA]MTM84|X| (~mtm84@ca-fulrtn-cuda1e-76.lmdaca.adelphia.net) |
| 13:08.39 | dj-death | http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/2/28/33 |
| 13:19.37 | pahartik | dj-death: damn that wintel... and "Connor" harddisk i have never heard of before |
| 14:09.01 | *** join/#debianppc harpoon (stueber@client41.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de) |
| 14:18.48 | *** join/#debianppc [MA]MTM84|X| (~mtm84@ca-fulrtn-cuda1e-76.lmdaca.adelphia.net) |
| 14:23.21 | *** join/#debianppc az[a]zel (~damien@ppp241-114.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net) |
| 14:38.41 | *** join/#debianppc RQ (rq@bliss.cr.vu.lt) |
| 14:45.20 | *** join/#debianppc dloer (~killerbyt@p54A1FAAE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:23.38 | *** join/#debianppc emp_ (~emp@71-32-20-244.blng.qwest.net) |
| 15:24.27 | *** join/#debianppc Official_Idler (~killerbyt@p54A1D44B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:37.49 | *** join/#debianppc deadsmith (~matt@pixpat.austin.ibm.com) |
| 15:42.47 | *** join/#debianppc OmniColossus (~Omniscien@adsl-68-72-120-4.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 15:55.06 | Madjic | hello? |
| 15:56.10 | Madjic | I installed Debian (woody) on my Beige PowerMac G3 (oldworld) and when i want to boot up, it just gives me can't OPEN: /pci/mac-io/ide@20000/ata-disk@0:0 |
| 15:56.52 | Madjic | i looked at google, and all i found was go to the OF promt (i have done that) and use setenv to fix it |
| 15:57.12 | Madjic | but noone says what i have to set the boot device to |
| 16:04.16 | neli | depends on where linux partition is |
| 16:05.14 | Madjic | it is on /dev/hd2 |
| 16:10.53 | *** join/#debianppc pumk (~guam@adsl-69-105-156-92.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 16:16.11 | neli | Madjic: hmm? hd2? |
| 16:16.18 | neli | hda2? |
| 16:16.29 | neli | try devalias |
| 16:16.34 | Madjic | that's the one |
| 16:16.40 | neli | and see if ata related things come up |
| 16:17.17 | Madjic | ata-int /pci/mac-io/ide@20000 |
| 16:18.31 | neli | boot ata-int/ata-disk@0:0 |
| 16:18.32 | neli | ? |
| 16:19.01 | neli | you need to try some combinations for the 0:0 part |
| 16:22.04 | Madjic | ok, i'm trying |
| 16:25.17 | Madjic | hmmm, no, nothing seems to work |
| 16:51.54 | *** join/#debianppc deadsmith (~matt@pixpat.austin.ibm.com) |
| 16:55.31 | *** join/#debianppc [MA]MTM84|X| (~mtm84@ca-fulrtn-cuda1e-76.lmdaca.adelphia.net) |
| 17:14.43 | *** join/#debianppc deadsmith (~matt@pixpat.austin.ibm.com) |
| 17:32.38 | *** join/#debianppc Curalton (~thomas@134.76.62.145) |
| 17:36.46 | *** join/#debianppc Oryn (oryn@falcore.fsck.tv) |
| 17:54.59 | *** join/#debianppc myXtie (~rodross@dialup-4.153.76.250.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 18:06.48 | *** join/#debianppc harpoon (stueber@ultra12.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de) |
| 19:14.23 | *** join/#debianppc drwarp (~warp@2001:760:202:f200:0:0:0:45a) |
| 19:17.38 | *** join/#debianppc [MA]MTM84|X| (~mtm84@ca-fulrtn-cuda1e-76.lmdaca.adelphia.net) |
| 19:29.03 | *** join/#debianppc Q-FUNK (~q-funk@gw-5.suomicom.fi) |
| 19:30.05 | *** join/#debianppc dloer (~killerbyt@p54A1E8EA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:30.09 | *** join/#debianppc damog (~damog@148.235.143.105) |
| 19:35.17 | *** join/#debianppc debmog (~damog@148.235.143.105) |
| 19:44.20 | deadsmith | anyone know where ppc64 support is at? |
| 19:44.34 | deadsmith | svenl, maybe you've heard something? |
| 19:45.53 | Piru | svenl is exhausted fighting the windmills |
| 19:49.44 | deadsmith | Piru, must be a European thing ;o) |
| 20:21.11 | svenl | Piru: huh, you read too much crap. |
| 20:21.16 | svenl | and now deadsmith left. |
| 20:21.50 | Piru | sorry :) |
| 20:32.09 | *** join/#debianppc dreamind (~dreamind@C2107.campino.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) |
| 20:33.09 | *** join/#debianppc fusero_ppc (~topota@185.Red-80-36-92.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:37.09 | *** join/#debianppc otavio (~otavio@otavio.user) |
| 20:37.14 | otavio | Hello ... |
| 20:37.53 | otavio | anyone can help me to compile a kernel for my ibook? I did it built it always fail in VFS step ... it didn't found my HDs ... I don't know why |
| 20:38.06 | otavio | Looks like it doesn't found my partitions ... |
| 20:39.33 | otavio | Which partition type I need to make available? [*] Partition types -> Advanced Partition Types and Macintosh partition map support. |
| 20:39.39 | otavio | I got all this selected ... |
| 20:39.55 | otavio | but probably I'm doing something stupid |
| 20:43.04 | *** join/#debianppc Oryn (oryn@falcore.fsck.tv) |
| 20:43.21 | Piru | you also chose the actualy filesystems, too? |
| 20:43.25 | Piru | actual |
| 20:48.07 | *** join/#debianppc OmniColossus (~Omniscien@adsl-68-72-120-4.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 20:57.11 | simonrvn | otavio: http://newbiedoc.sf.net/ they have a kernel section |
| 20:57.47 | otavio | simonrvn: for powerpc? |
| 20:58.01 | simonrvn | a kernel is a kernel |
| 20:58.05 | otavio | simonrvn: I know how to compile kernel ... |
| 20:58.21 | otavio | simonrvn: probably I forgot to include a needed option. Only it. |
| 20:58.36 | simonrvn | ok |
| 20:58.42 | otavio | simonrvn: that's why I'm asking to see if anyone have a suggestion |
| 20:59.10 | simonrvn | no. doesn't change. just know the hardware |
| 20:59.16 | simonrvn | :) |
| 21:00.03 | otavio | simonrvn: yes; that's why I'm here. I'm new on powerpc arch so I was asking for help on it. |
| 21:00.54 | Piru | I started with stock debian kernel.. nicked the .config and cp'd it to kernel tree, then worked my own from that |
| 21:00.56 | simonrvn | to figure out what you have doesn't change from x86. lspci, /proc, etc. |
| 21:01.05 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
| 21:13.53 | *** join/#debianppc niktaris (~niktaris@195.97.43.132) |
| 21:14.02 | niktaris | hi all |
| 21:17.20 | niktaris | anyone has an idea why I get an arch/ppc/syslib/open_pic.o error while compiling 2.6.10 |
| 21:17.21 | niktaris | ? |
| 21:17.58 | simonrvn | no. do you have module-init-tools installed though? |
| 21:19.04 | niktaris | simonrvn, yep! |
| 21:20.29 | mooch | anyone with an ibook2.2 14" ? |
| 21:20.44 | mooch | is dmesg showing any radeonfb grep ?? |
| 21:21.18 | mooch | i just get the Open Firmware framebuffer device entries... |
| 21:22.29 | mooch | otavio: need the IDE stuff for mac |
| 21:22.32 | mooch | i believe |
| 21:22.56 | simonrvn | probably all he's missing |
| 21:23.58 | mooch | otavio: you got an ibook ? |
| 21:37.13 | mooch | can i put the video in radeonfb, for boot? |
| 21:37.31 | simonrvn | if it's radeon, sure |
| 21:39.37 | *** join/#debianppc r0g3l10 (~rogelio@201.129.234.41) |
| 21:45.06 | *** join/#debianppc p8r (~peter@chello213047045212.6.sc-graz.chello.at) |
| 21:45.48 | *** join/#debianppc p8r (~peter@chello213047045212.6.sc-graz.chello.at) |
| 21:47.54 | *** join/#debianppc Oryn (oryn@falcore.fsck.tv) |
| 21:57.45 | *** join/#debianppc [MA]MTM84|X| (~mtm84@ca-fulrtn-cuda1e-76.lmdaca.adelphia.net) |
| 22:01.12 | *** join/#debianppc Faustus (~Mestaphel@d142-59-231-163.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 22:03.49 | otavio | mooch: yes. I got. i found hehehe |
| 22:03.55 | otavio | mooch: Was my stupid ;-) |
| 22:13.12 | *** join/#debianppc myron (~kvirc@atlwebproxy1.core.hp.com) |
| 22:24.45 | mooch | otavio: working now? what kind of ibook do you have? |
| 22:44.11 | simonrvn | svenl: that thingy to choose the bootloader worked ok |
| 23:01.30 | *** join/#debianppc netman2 (~netman2@81.Red-80-39-57.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 23:01.37 | netman2 | hi |
| 23:02.25 | netman2 | anyone with an ibook g3 ¿? |
| 23:04.51 | simonrvn | no |
| 23:10.45 | netman2 | hi simonrvn |
| 23:10.45 | netman2 | i'm having strange problems on suspend mode in my ibook |
| 23:11.04 | netman2 | i reinstalled yesterday and somethings wrong now |
| 23:11.22 | netman2 | even with same kernel images that worked before |
| 23:11.25 | netman2 | :S |
| 23:12.37 | netman2 | and i'm not sure what it is |
| 23:13.01 | simonrvn | i'm not either ;p |
| 23:14.33 | netman2 | xD |
| 23:18.21 | *** join/#debianppc pikapika (~pikapika@pauguste-2-81-57-98-138.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 23:18.24 | pikapika | hello |
| 23:18.48 | simonrvn | hi |
| 23:19.00 | dj-death | hi |
| 23:19.05 | pikapika | :) |
| 23:19.40 | pikapika | i had a freeze with a net install on an ibook g4 |
| 23:30.43 | Q-FUNK | its block heater died mid-way? |
| 23:32.23 | pikapika | it bloqued with exim but reinstalling seems to work now |
| 23:37.30 | simonrvn | Q-FUNK: yeh, got to -35 today ;P |
| 23:38.33 | Q-FUNK | heh |
| 23:46.26 | *** join/#debianppc one_2_one (xxx@bl4-11-93.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 23:46.36 | *** part/#debianppc one_2_one (xxx@bl4-11-93.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 23:53.42 | *** join/#debianppc apt (ibot@apt.bot.TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 23:53.42 | *** topic/#debianppc is Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC - vers.: 2.6.10 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | New (2003+) PowerMacs with XFS HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2s2os | iBook G4 HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2488m | New penguinppc.org live! | http://funroll-loops.org/ | pasting? /whois paster | <bob2> gerbils are three-edged swords | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/3p4nm |
| 23:53.46 | pikapika | where can i find a xf*^config-$ that works for an ibook G4 ? |
| 23:53.49 | pikapika | thanks |
| 23:55.19 | pikapika | xf86 config4 |
| 23:55.40 | simonrvn | google |
| 23:56.24 | pikapika | cool |
| 23:56.31 | netman2 | pikapika: read topic |
| 23:57.27 | pahartik | pikapika: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" |
| 23:58.32 | pikapika | thanks netman2 |