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| 00:16.42 | simonrvn | sokoban: apt-setup |
| 00:17.33 | simonrvn | orcrist: um, what? since when? go look at a debian mirror sometime, starting from the pool/ dir |
| 00:18.56 | simonrvn | orcrist: debian isn't redhat, with half-assed support for the !x86 arches they do support. for rare execptions (mainly due to differing bootloaders and such things) all 11 arches have the same software |
| 00:22.57 | OmniColossus | anyone here famialiar with 802.1x eap-ttls? |
| 00:30.21 | orcrist | simonrvn, I was referring to precompiled packages |
| 00:30.33 | simonrvn | yes i was too |
| 00:30.58 | orcrist | what I was asking was more along the lines of 'will packages built for ppc sarge run on my old-world mac' |
| 00:33.29 | orcrist | and are there special repositories for that, or a common pool of packages |
| 00:33.31 | orcrist | gah lag |
| 00:34.04 | simonrvn | yes. no. no need. re-read what i said. |
| 00:34.48 | orcrist | I believe I got it just fine the first time, but it wasn't clear other than 'go look at a mirror' I was redefining what I had originally said, thank |
| 00:36.06 | simonrvn | ok |
| 00:37.35 | orcrist | I think the root question I have is something along the lines of: are ppc-built packages good for all ppc arches (minus 64 bit of course) other arches use i386 in some flavor to ensure compatibility on oler machines, so do the mac packages do the same?' |
| 00:38.08 | orcrist | like the kernel images you can find at people.debian.org/~luther... will those kernels work in my machine or will I need to get source and recompile? |
| 00:39.08 | simonrvn | no, you don't have to recompile anything. period. |
| 00:39.12 | orcrist | good |
| 00:39.13 | orcrist | thanks |
| 00:41.28 | assassin | Anyone got any tips/warnings on a g5 install? |
| 00:42.36 | OmniColossus | anyone play games on ppc-linux? |
| 00:42.48 | OmniColossus | QII for instance? |
| 00:42.49 | assassin | Is there a stable for 64? |
| 00:43.00 | simonrvn | assassin: use 64 bit kernel. i.e., power4 iirc |
| 00:43.04 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 00:43.16 | simonrvn | ~anyone use |
| 00:43.20 | simonrvn | bah |
| 00:43.29 | assassin | simonrvn: Thanks simon |
| 00:43.50 | assassin | OmniColossus: There's only one game for *nix... nethack ;) |
| 00:44.01 | OmniColossus | oh? |
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| 00:44.45 | OmniColossus | I tried egoboo, but it does wierd thing |
| 00:45.03 | OmniColossus | like all models are replaced by player models |
| 00:45.40 | OmniColossus | I like stuff with a *little* eyecandy :D |
| 00:45.41 | assassin | Was it fun? |
| 00:46.03 | assassin | Heh... I got OS X for that :) |
| 00:46.13 | OmniColossus | it looked like it might be fun if it worked |
| 00:46.24 | simonrvn | orcrist: slashem but the gtk2 app |
| 00:46.29 | simonrvn | orcrist: sorry |
| 00:46.30 | OmniColossus | I'm trying desperately to stay way from osx |
| 00:46.33 | simonrvn | OmniColossus: ^^^^ |
| 00:46.37 | simonrvn | ;P |
| 00:46.45 | assassin | resistance is futile! |
| 00:46.59 | OmniColossus | what about the gtk2 app? |
| 00:47.46 | OmniColossus | I was wondering if anyone made bots for ppc linux Q2 |
| 00:48.00 | OmniColossus | or know where they might be found? |
| 00:48.31 | OmniColossus | ppc-linux is like the arctic weather station when it comes to apps |
| 00:48.36 | OmniColossus | and game |
| 00:51.53 | OmniColossus | slashem looks interesting |
| 00:53.16 | simonrvn | it is. like a ahcked nethack, and gtk one adds icons and stuff |
| 00:54.57 | OmniColossus | hmm what about the nethack-gnome? |
| 00:57.48 | OmniColossus | at least there is always chrono trigger |
| 01:00.42 | simonrvn | same diff. but extra deps... |
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| 08:30.48 | orcrist | hello |
| 08:31.46 | orcrist | I have a new problem with a ppcmac... I have a powermac8600 (I asked a question about this earlier) and I've taken one of the disks from a donor system and installed it on the scsi chain with the hard drive that shipped with the system |
| 08:32.31 | orcrist | the two are identical, and I set the jumper properly to give it an unused scsi id, but the debian install floppy doesn't recognize it no matter what I do |
| 08:35.06 | orcrist | wait, there it goes |
| 08:35.10 | orcrist | I forgot to re-zap the pram |
| 08:35.13 | orcrist | n/m :) |
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| 09:56.18 | BeTa | anyone has already tried to change his airport card on a PB alu ? |
| 10:00.41 | pahartik | BeTa: how can one break "Airport adapter" so it needs to be changed? |
| 10:01.59 | BeTa | I'd like to change it to put an other mini-pci device instead of this unuseful one (not supported on GNU/Linux or other free unices) |
| 10:02.30 | BeTa | maybe a cryptographic card, or another (supported) mini-pci wifi device |
| 10:04.45 | al_ | are you sure it is mini-pci ? |
| 10:06.03 | al_ | http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2004/03/msg00238.html |
| 10:08.00 | BeTa | I've read this some times... I'm not sure about anything ! |
| 10:08.33 | BeTa | fsck |
| 10:12.22 | BeTa | http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/PB_G4_15_AL_takeapart/AL_PB_G4_take-apart.html |
| 10:12.30 | BeTa | just for information... ;c) |
| 10:18.36 | jk3 | BeTa: you wan't to replace the airport extreme? |
| 10:18.54 | jk3 | BeTa: it's not mini PCI, at least not in mi ibook |
| 10:19.09 | BeTa | I'd like to... but it seems to be only possible w/ airport 802.11b cards :c/ |
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| 10:19.27 | jk3 | BeTa: I even called apple support once.. |
| 10:19.30 | BeTa | it's better than nothing, but it's sad |
| 10:19.36 | jk3 | BeTa: get an DWL-122 |
| 10:19.55 | BeTa | it is compatible ? this is a pcmcia card, doesn't it ? |
| 10:20.05 | BeTa | (sorry "isn't it") |
| 10:20.05 | jk3 | BeTa: old airport cards don't fir in either |
| 10:20.09 | BeTa | :/ |
| 10:20.21 | jk3 | it an usb wlan adapter |
| 10:20.45 | jk3 | 802.11b, prism2 chipset |
| 10:20.54 | jk3 | well supportet by linux |
| 10:20.57 | BeTa | :c( I'd prefer to get something to strictly replace my airport extreme |
| 10:21.08 | jk3 | http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=175 |
| 10:21.24 | jk3 | BeTa: if you find something, let me know! |
| 10:21.27 | BeTa | I've plaid w/ a DLink USB wifi card wich will be support by the prism54 project |
| 10:21.37 | BeTa | :c) |
| 10:21.39 | BeTa | of course :c) |
| 10:21.48 | jk3 | sucks... |
| 10:22.12 | BeTa | I'll try to phone the apple hotline.. |
| 10:24.42 | jk3 | BeTa: I did that too :-( I think you can skip it... |
| 10:27.39 | BeTa | grrr |
| 10:33.30 | jk3 | grr at evil aple, not at me :-) |
| 10:33.53 | BeTa | :) |
| 11:15.56 | sokoban | need a sourcelist for sarge testing ppc |
| 11:19.32 | pahartik | sokoban: you need _what_? |
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| 11:28.20 | sokoban | need a sourcelist |
| 11:28.37 | sokoban | a corre'ct sources list for debian sarge |
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| 14:10.17 | mrdeath | hello all |
| 14:10.48 | mrdeath | anybody use debian testing on ibook G4 12'? |
| 14:14.30 | mrdeath | now i have a fully formated drive for os x. is there any way to create a linux drive withour reformating? |
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| 14:30.53 | dj-death | mrdeath: yes |
| 14:31.48 | dj-death | mrdeath: I dont think so |
| 14:43.27 | Madjic | damn |
| 14:43.40 | Madjic | i'm so fed up with Open Firmware |
| 14:45.06 | Madjic | can plz anyone who uses debian on a PPC PowerMacintosh G3 (beige) Desktop tell me how to set up OF so that debian boots? |
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| 14:46.29 | ioops | hi |
| 14:46.40 | Madjic | hi |
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| 15:15.07 | mort | Madjic: what have you done so far? yaboot installed with ybin? |
| 15:16.41 | Bor_Ed | mort, beige g3 uses quik |
| 15:17.22 | mort | though he was talking about ibook G4... did I miss something? |
| 15:18.07 | Bor_Ed | Madjic can plz anyone who uses debian on a PPC PowerMacintosh G3 (beige) Desktop tell me how to set up OF so that d |
| 15:18.11 | Bor_Ed | not much... |
| 15:19.39 | mort | fuck. had to switch the hanging client before, my mind played tricks on me. thanks anyway... |
| 15:19.47 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 15:39.51 | Madjic | hm, no yaboot, quik |
| 15:40.34 | Bor_Ed | I gave up after fighting 3-4 days and run debian from bootx |
| 15:41.54 | Madjic | hmm, ok, thx anyway |
| 15:42.15 | Bor_Ed | it is possible to get it to boot from quik... I had it once :D |
| 15:42.43 | Bor_Ed | it was small scsi disk though, ide didn't even try |
| 15:43.59 | Madjic | hmm, i got an old SCSI disk here....somwhere |
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| 16:02.13 | mirak | hello |
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| 16:58.08 | bertz | partitioned installed OS9.2 , installed debian, reboot after debian installation and i get can't OPEN: /pci/mac-io/ide@20000/ata-disk.... |
| 16:58.14 | bertz | ring any bells |
| 16:58.26 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 16:58.28 | bertz | had a hunt on the web not found any solutions |
| 16:58.32 | bertz | yay! |
| 16:58.36 | bertz | cause im foxed |
| 16:59.31 | bertz | point me in the way of any info? |
| 16:59.43 | Bor_Ed | get bootx to mockos partition, copy the installer kernel image and initrd as mentioned on deb install manual, boot with that, copy the kernel from debian disk to mockos disk to Linux kernels folders and rerun bootx |
| 17:01.16 | bertz | apologies for ignorance but wat do you mean by mockos? |
| 17:01.26 | bertz | mount? |
| 17:01.34 | Bor_Ed | apple creation for an operating system |
| 17:01.55 | Bor_Ed | also known as crapos and whatnot :) |
| 17:02.02 | bertz | lol |
| 17:02.37 | Bor_Ed | I have 300 meg 'bootloader' here since I ditched the scsi disk from the sys :I |
| 17:06.01 | bertz | sorry mate slightly confused let me see if i have this right |
| 17:06.17 | bertz | boot into the mac os |
| 17:06.19 | bertz | done that |
| 17:06.53 | bertz | i have the copy of kernel image in system>Linux Kernels |
| 17:07.05 | bertz | and initrd in >System |
| 17:07.21 | bertz | bootx is booting from initrd |
| 17:09.00 | bertz | how do i get to the kernel on debian disk to replace the one on the mac os disk if i cant mount the linux parition in os 9.2 and linux wont boot at startup |
| 17:09.01 | bertz | ? |
| 17:09.26 | Bor_Ed | you'll load linux from bootx, it works like loadlin on x86 |
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| 17:12.00 | bertz | ok arrgh freeze up try again |
| 17:12.21 | Bor_Ed | umm |
| 17:12.25 | Bor_Ed | @~d-i |
| 17:12.44 | Bor_Ed | is it me or doesn't the bot like me ? :o |
| 17:13.05 | bertz | being dumb here but if i load linux from boot x it goes back into the installer |
| 17:13.28 | Bor_Ed | as it should... you have normal runtime on alt+f2 of the installer |
| 17:13.42 | bertz | kewl |
| 17:14.58 | bertz | how do i access the ac partition? |
| 17:15.05 | bertz | the root is on the linux partition |
| 17:15.11 | bertz | sorry mac |
| 17:15.30 | Bor_Ed | mount -t hfs /dev/hdXY /some/mountpoint |
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| 17:43.47 | bertz | is there anyway to find out the name of the various paritions available? |
| 17:43.55 | bertz | normallly use cfdisk but that aint about |
| 17:44.01 | al_ | fdisk -l |
| 17:44.01 | al_ | ? |
| 17:44.31 | pahartik | bertz: "disktype" |
| 17:44.48 | pahartik | bertz: "parted" |
| 17:45.10 | Bor_Ed | mac-fdisk -l |
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| 18:10.48 | Bor_Ed | 2.6 what ? :) |
| 18:17.58 | al_ | ah, changelog online :) |
| 18:18.08 | al_ | it wasn't some hours ago |
| 18:39.41 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: since Linux 2.6.11-rc4 sleep/wakeup has worked every now and then |
| 18:40.01 | al_ | sleep is broken in 2.6.11 ? |
| 18:41.28 | pahartik | al_: before that there was no sleep, except that patch for Linux 2.6.9 |
| 18:41.37 | al_ | ibook g4 ?.. |
| 18:43.10 | pahartik | al_: for iBook G4 |
| 18:43.16 | al_ | ooooh ok |
| 18:46.53 | thebug | for a trip to Ohio? |
| 18:46.58 | thebug | errr |
| 18:47.02 | thebug | stupid paste button |
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| 19:25.47 | assassin | ntpdate ain't working at all... |
| 19:26.24 | assassin | It's getting the correct date from the server. I can see it w/ -d, but it just won't apply it. |
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| 19:26.44 | Bor_Ed | first kernel crash in ages... sys hung up completely :/ |
| 19:27.04 | assassin | What version? |
| 19:27.14 | Bor_Ed | Linux g3 2.6.11-rc3-bk1 #1 Wed Feb 9 17:17:41 EET 2005 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 19:27.45 | assassin | ....ah |
| 19:28.12 | assassin | Sugestions anyone? |
| 19:28.44 | jk3 | assassin: can you apply using "date"? |
| 19:29.03 | assassin | One sec... |
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| 19:29.18 | kayali | hello |
| 19:29.23 | jk3 | Bor_Ed: when you're using snapshots you shoudn't wonder too much :-) |
| 19:29.50 | Bor_Ed | jk3, well this was first time kernel did it on 2.6.x |
| 19:30.39 | jk3 | Bor_Ed: yeah, it's an inspiring feeling and happens just once or twice in your live |
| 19:31.14 | Bor_Ed | hehe, yea |
| 19:32.30 | kayali | I have a little problem... whatever I do, the latest kernel apt-get proposes me is 2.6.8... is this normal since i'M running sid? |
| 19:32.59 | assassin | jk3: Thanks :) |
| 19:33.00 | kayali | is there a special way to have the kernel updated? |
| 19:33.59 | fluffy_wolf | compile your own? :) |
| 19:34.29 | jk3 | assassin: no problem, I hope it stays(sometimes it doesn't ...) |
| 19:35.50 | kayali | fluffy_wolf: debian stopped offering updated kernels? or is this 2.6.8 patched against recent local root exploit? |
| 19:36.05 | assassin | Yup... It's good :) |
| 19:36.36 | jk3 | kayali: debian never stops. what are you targeting? simply kernel-image or what? |
| 19:37.14 | fluffy_wolf | kayali: no clue. I've never used a debian kernel package, other than the one that comes with the base install, that I usually upgrade about 5 minutes later... |
| 19:37.42 | kayali | jk3: I install debian with a daily installer cd, all goes smooth, then, I do a 'apt-get update', then 'apt-get dist-upgrade' --- shouldn't that upgrade also the kernel? |
| 19:38.50 | jk3 | kayali: daily installer cd? sounds like sarge to me. stupid question: did you set unstable in the sources.list? |
| 19:39.28 | kayali | jk3: yes. actually, the installer asks you if you want to run 'unstable', and updates the sources.list file accordingly. |
| 19:40.18 | kayali | jk3: are you running sid? and if so, does it provide anything newer than 2.6.8 ? |
| 19:40.46 | jk3 | kayali: hmm. did you try a simple `apt-get upgrade`? I've no idea. |
| 19:41.02 | jk3 | kayali: I'm on sarge, that's 2.6.8... |
| 19:44.00 | jk3 | kayali: but it does show newer kernels using apt-cache? why don't you specify one of them? |
| 19:44.44 | kayali | I'll look |
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| 19:49.52 | Bor_Ed | hmm, seems like HW prob... crashed again |
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| 19:55.52 | bertz | Bor_Ed: whats the deal with the commands wether it is the majority of things that I normally use to find things out (and those suggested here) dont appear to be available |
| 19:56.48 | Bor_Ed | yea... box seems to work on no cpu load currently... maybe I need to put heatsink after all to the cpu |
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| 20:18.17 | dorpel | i am looking for some information on installing a diskless debian ppc. can anyone please help me a bit? |
| 20:28.31 | dorpel | i guess not |
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| 20:55.15 | bertz | if beige g3, sarge, 0S9.2, 2 partitions. Successfully placed both system on seperate partitions on initial boot of debian I got can't OPEN: /pci/mac-io/ide@20000/ata-disk fella called Bor_Ed was very helpful and said that I needed to copy the kernel on my linux parition to my macs system folder and use bootx with the kernel instead. However I cant fathom how I mount the apple partition from debian. I reboot into linux from Boo |
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| 21:40.03 | simonrvn | bertz: man mount. "mac-fdisk -l" to figure out which partition to mount |
| 21:40.25 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: 2.6.11 released :) |
| 21:41.07 | simonrvn | cool |
| 21:42.21 | al_ | topicĀ§ |
| 21:42.34 | simonrvn | bertz: hint: mount -t hfs (or hfsplus) /dev/foo /mnt |
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| 21:43.11 | *** topic/#debianppc by simonrvn -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC - vers.: 2.6.11 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | New (2003+) PowerMacs with XFS HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2s2os | iBook G4 HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2488m | New penguinppc.org live! | http://funroll-loops.org/ | pasting? /whois paster | <bob2> gerbils are three-edged swords | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/3p4nm |
| 21:43.20 | simonrvn | topic diff |
| 21:43.28 | simonrvn | -: Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC - vers.: 2.6.10 |
| 21:43.34 | simonrvn | +: Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC - vers.: 2.6.11 |
| 21:43.39 | *** mode/#debianppc [-o simonrvn] by simonrvn |
| 21:43.41 | dtranche | anyone have information on how to get a 64bit toolchain working, my current system is 64bit kernel but only 32bit tools |
| 21:44.28 | simonrvn | ask #mklinux maybe |
| 21:45.59 | Q-FUNK | dtranche: to get ppc64 kernels? |
| 21:46.40 | dtranche | Q-FUNK: build the kernels with crosstools, trying to get the tool chain onto the disk |
| 21:49.46 | Q-FUNK | dtranche: tried toolchain-source ? |
| 21:51.27 | Q-FUNK | dtranche: make the toolchain for target ppc64 it should work |
| 21:52.22 | simonrvn | you'd think with all the hype about amd64 there'd be a ppc64 toolchain built already. |
| 21:52.49 | dtranche | Q-FUNK: that is what I have been trying. can't seem to get gcc build, binutils is easy enough |
| 21:53.04 | thebug | you'd think, but then you'd realize that 64 bit has been around for 15 years and that it's only a big deal among x86 people (and very lightly, ppc) these days |
| 21:53.09 | Q-FUNK | simonrvn: soon. ibm is pushing its power4 based servers via novell right now. |
| 21:53.17 | simonrvn | i see |
| 21:53.43 | simonrvn | thebug: yes. ppc64 has been around since ppc was invented ;) |
| 21:53.43 | thebug | shhhhh....don't tell the alpha under my desk that 64 bit is a new deal |
| 21:53.57 | simonrvn | and before that, alphas :) |
| 21:54.31 | thebug | PARISC and SPARC have been 64 for a while now too, though not nearly as long as alpha |
| 21:54.40 | Q-FUNK | now that they sold their commodity pc manufacturing to novovo, ibm is pushing its own ppc product and suse (novell) linux. |
| 21:55.13 | simonrvn | yeh, that's true too |
| 21:55.19 | Q-FUNK | and that mostly means linux ppc64 |
| 21:55.44 | dtranche | which gets back to the toolchain now doesn't it =) |
| 21:56.31 | thebug | http://mirror.tv2.dk/pub/linux/suse/suse/ppc64/ftp.linuxppc64.org/pub/people/amodra/gcc-3.2/bootstrap |
| 21:56.40 | thebug | "Some notes are added in a few |
| 21:56.41 | Q-FUNK | etch will probably offer ppc64 |
| 21:56.41 | thebug | places regarding using a powerpc-linux host." |
| 21:58.00 | thebug | google.com works, with a bit of poking around at the results |
| 21:58.45 | simonrvn | gcc 3.2... you can start from that, and make gcc 3.3, etc. |
| 21:59.33 | Q-FUNK | it currently is gcc 3.4 |
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| 22:05.49 | dorpel | i'm trying to install debian over NFS / SMB using netinstall on PPC.... has anyone every tried it or something like that on x86? |
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| 22:14.40 | kayali | hello |
| 22:14.51 | kayali | a quick question: is my ibook G4 a CHRP machine? |
| 22:20.23 | simonrvn | no |
| 22:26.56 | kayali | good to know ;) thanks |
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| 23:14.49 | deadcat | am i the only ppc using who is trying to get bootsplash to work? |
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| 23:35.11 | simonrvn | deadcat: probably (j/k). good luck on your adventure. |
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| 23:48.10 | simonrvn | holy fuck |
| 23:48.12 | simonrvn | kernel-image-2.4.27-nubus |