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| 02:17.27 | benh | svenl: ping |
| 02:19.59 | benh | where is the most up to date installer I can find ? |
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| 03:10.54 | pahartik | simonrvn: at least my iBook G4 does have "CONFIG_PPC_CHRP=y" |
| 03:11.24 | simonrvn | 'cause pmacs are chrp/prep mix |
| 03:13.00 | simonrvn | benh: http://people.debian.org/~luther/ or http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/powerpc/rc2/sarge-powerpc-netinst.iso |
| 03:15.21 | benh | simonrvn: well, cdimage.debian.org is a bit slow here but that'll do |
| 03:18.23 | simonrvn | there's mirrors |
| 03:18.30 | simonrvn | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 03:19.41 | benh | bah, I got the vmlinux & initrd from rc2 |
| 03:19.46 | benh | we'll see if that works on the mini |
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| 07:29.53 | svenl | benh: http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily |
| 07:29.56 | svenl | benh: why ? |
| 07:35.02 | benh | svenl: too late :) I'm using whatever was on ftp.debian.org |
| 07:35.07 | benh | svenl: installing my new imac mini |
| 07:35.49 | simonrvn | oooh :) |
| 07:35.52 | Q-FUNK | benh: have fun! :) |
| 07:35.54 | benh | svenl: works with video=ofonly (but that's probably bcs of my 23" cinema display, X and radeonfb don't like it, I have to debug that) |
| 07:36.39 | svenl | benh: cool. |
| 07:37.00 | svenl | benh: i guess we need to open a subscription to get you one of those new powerbooks now :) |
| 07:38.29 | damog | hey svenl |
| 07:38.40 | benh | hehe |
| 07:38.46 | benh | well, a co-worker of mine just ordered one |
| 07:38.56 | benh | so that should be supported soon :) |
| 07:40.19 | svenl | hi damog. ... still no gparted upload. |
| 07:40.22 | svenl | benh: cool. |
| 07:41.19 | damog | svenl: I know, hopefully tomorrow or the day after that |
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| 07:53.50 | benh | dpkg X setup tool is crap |
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| 07:57.23 | svenl | benh: yep. |
| 07:57.45 | svenl | benh: BTW, what is going on about the various sleep problems ? In particular i just noticed : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=290524 |
| 07:58.05 | benh | most of them are : crap in the USB code, as usual, remove all devices before sleep (not the modules) |
| 07:58.42 | benh | I didn't know about this HAL vs. CD/DVD problem |
| 07:58.50 | benh | the IDE driver is blocked normally during sleep |
| 07:58.54 | benh | there shouldn't be any problem with HAL |
| 07:58.58 | benh | I can't reproduce here |
| 07:59.11 | svenl | benh: mmm, so you mean this is not a kernel problem, but a hal problem ? |
| 07:59.18 | svenl | Can you comment on that bug report please ? |
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| 07:59.35 | benh | no idea |
| 07:59.38 | benh | not, it could be kernel |
| 07:59.42 | benh | what they should do is try 2.6.11 |
| 07:59.45 | svenl | ah. |
| 07:59.47 | benh | it wakes up the video ship a lot earlier |
| 07:59.49 | svenl | yep. |
| 07:59.53 | benh | so if there's a oops or something, it will be visible |
| 08:00.03 | svenl | Can you mail this to 290524@bugs.debian.org |
| 08:00.12 | svenl | We don't have 2.6.11 packages yet though. |
| 08:00.14 | benh | not now, sorry, busy |
| 08:00.21 | svenl | bah. |
| 08:00.27 | benh | oh, they have output when it crashes ? |
| 08:00.28 | benh | hrm... |
| 08:00.35 | benh | well, maybe they could add some traces to see what's up |
| 08:00.56 | svenl | benh: hehe. |
| 08:01.11 | svenl | can i quote this exchange in the bug report. |
| 08:01.38 | benh | before the CD is resumed, the IDE driver queue is blocked |
| 08:01.41 | benh | so requests are blocked |
| 08:01.54 | benh | but that shouldn't prevent wakeup from proceeding, unless there is a deadlock somewhere |
| 08:02.08 | benh | are they using infamous ide-scsi ? maybe that's partially the culprit |
| 08:02.11 | benh | difficult to say |
| 08:02.14 | svenl | Maybe. |
| 08:03.24 | benh | I had occasional hangs on wakeup, maybe related... interesting |
| 08:03.35 | benh | I though it was something else ... can't reproduce lately though |
| 08:03.45 | benh | it would be useful to check what HAL does to poll the CD/DVD |
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| 12:36.07 | Stereo | wire cutter |
| 12:38.18 | pahartik | Stereo: i am actually using Bluetooth every day |
| 12:40.22 | Stereo | I was merely making a bad joke |
| 12:40.46 | pahartik | Stereo: damn that |
| 12:41.14 | jaska | mm, wire cutter. |
| 12:41.16 | jaska | \o/ |
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| 14:04.19 | BeTa | does anyone know how to access a PowerBook alu's openfirmware at boottime ? |
| 14:05.48 | Bor__Ed | alt+apple+o+f after the boing prolly will do |
| 14:11.34 | BeTa | I have to push 4 keys ? |
| 14:11.43 | BeTa | control, command, F and O ? |
| 14:11.49 | BeTa | erf :c/ |
| 14:11.53 | BeTa | I'll try next boot :c) |
| 14:12.18 | BeTa | do you know if sleeping mode is working in the 2.6.11 vanilla kernel ? |
| 14:20.33 | al_ | it is |
| 14:26.08 | BeTa | I'll try this evening ;c) |
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| 17:05.05 | |fire| | hi all |
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| 18:39.27 | HotaruT | hi |
| 18:42.44 | HotaruT | I have just build 2.6.11 for my ppc-prep (604e) and it does not boot: "Uncompressing Linux...inflate returned FFFFFFFB" (this number is -5, and according to zlib.h means "Z_BUF_ERROR" .. any ideas? |
| 18:45.46 | Stereo | oh, that looks fun |
| 18:45.55 | Stereo | what did you have running on it before? |
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| 18:51.42 | Bor_Ed | 2.6.11 seems to run ok on beige g3 |
| 18:53.56 | HotaruT | Stereo: 2.4.25 is running.. |
| 18:54.03 | HotaruT | I'm going to try 2.6.8 now.. |
| 18:54.58 | HotaruT | brb |
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| 19:04.11 | HotaruT | hmm.. ok, with 2.6.8 not even the in-kernel boot loader starts ): |
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| 19:17.48 | simonrvn | HotaruT: decompression problem? iffy drive? need to re-install the bootloader? |
| 19:21.46 | HotaruT | simonrvn: bootloader? which boot loader? .. I used dd if=vmlinuz of=/dev/sda1 to install the kernel .. |
| 19:22.00 | HotaruT | simonrvn: btw. "boot net" results in the same error |
| 19:22.22 | simonrvn | um, i didn't know that. just acted based on what i saw |
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| 19:25.12 | HotaruT | the only "strange" thing I did, was cross-compiling the kernel .. but all other kernels befor that (2.4.25 for example) running on this machine where cross-compiled too |
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| 19:42.00 | Bor_Ed | Piru, fossett doing glide landing on euronews live... he ran out of gas :) |
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| 20:48.08 | arana | hello, a question about adding agnula/demudi repositories with ppc? |
| 20:48.34 | arana | anyone? |
| 20:51.24 | simonrvn | you edit sources.list, update, install, done |
| 20:58.15 | arana | okay well i d'ont have the adress off the repositories |
| 20:59.10 | simonrvn | get them then. usually on their site |
| 21:00.43 | arana | thanks i have them |
| 21:09.09 | grivell | Anyone know if the iPod Shuffle works under Linux? |
| 21:15.31 | HotaruT | how big can a kernel image be to be loaded from OpenFirmware? |
| 21:15.40 | HotaruT | mine 2.6.11 is 2.1mb big.. |
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| 21:17.47 | kayali | hello |
| 21:17.58 | defsy | Hi, how can I get backlight working on my Powerbook G4 12" (GeForce FX Go5200)? |
| 21:18.03 | kayali | anyone knows a debian way to get the latest IBM-JDK? |
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| 21:25.28 | dj-death | jdk ? |
| 21:25.42 | dj-death | you mean java for linux ppc ? |
| 21:26.16 | kayali | yes |
| 21:26.33 | dj-death | does it include a vm ? |
| 21:26.58 | kayali | the only thing it misses is a java plugin for mozilla |
| 21:27.54 | kayali | latest version in unstable (according to packages.debian.org) is very old. we should have 1.4.2 by now |
| 21:44.41 | simonrvn | HotaruT: mine's ~5 MB |
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| 21:44.57 | niktaris | hi all |
| 21:45.07 | simonrvn | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5596909 2005-01-11 15:45 /boot/vmlinux-2.6.10-grsec |
| 21:45.26 | HotaruT | simonrvn: a prep machine? |
| 21:45.34 | simonrvn | pmac |
| 21:46.15 | simonrvn | doesn't matter what sub-arch, they're all treated the same as to compressed or not |
| 21:46.50 | HotaruT | but the kernel is loaded differently, or not? |
| 21:47.05 | HotaruT | I use dd to this partition: "/dev/sda1 1 25 8096 41 PPC PReP Boot" |
| 21:47.27 | simonrvn | yes. |
| 21:49.13 | HotaruT | or is it possible to use a boot loader on prep? |
| 21:52.18 | niktaris | svenl, hi just to let you know. 2.6.10 = success :) |
| 21:56.49 | svenl | niktaris: cool, what did you change ? |
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| 21:58.36 | simonrvn | HotaruT: um, i've seen mentions of prep booting in the quik source. i have no idea if it still works, since i don't have one. niether does the current maintainer (i think) |
| 21:58.39 | defsy | Why should I not use the BenH 2.6 kernel? |
| 21:58.44 | simonrvn | neither even |
| 21:59.22 | simonrvn | defsy: for several reasons i don't care to elucidate on right now |
| 22:00.00 | defsy | simonrvn: ok :) It's just because everywhere else I read that I _must_ use the BenH to get something done :) |
| 22:00.23 | al_ | _2.4_ benh. |
| 22:00.29 | simonrvn | old docs. probably talking about 2.4 |
| 22:00.41 | defsy | simonrvn: ah ok, will check again, thanks :D |
| 22:00.51 | simonrvn | al_: :) |
| 22:00.56 | defsy | good night |
| 22:01.08 | simonrvn | np, g'night |
| 22:09.46 | niktaris | the compiler |
| 22:10.00 | niktaris | svenl the compiler |
| 22:11.59 | svenl | niktaris: what where you using previously, and what do you use now ? |
| 22:12.42 | niktaris | svenl, 2.95 now 3.3 |
| 22:13.16 | svenl | niktaris: don't ever touch 2.95 anymore :) |
| 22:13.36 | svenl | niktaris: gcc 3.3.something is the default debian compiler, whoever gave you the idea to use 2.95 ? |
| 22:13.50 | niktaris | knopper :) |
| 22:13.54 | HotaruT | hahahaha |
| 22:16.05 | HotaruT | hmm... I am still compiling with "gcc version 3.2.3" ... (it's a cross-compiler) |
| 22:19.37 | HotaruT | does OpenFirmware (prep) handle a break-signal on the serial console? |
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| 22:20.00 | HotaruT | (ie. can I reset a prep machine remotly? no matter which state it is in?) |
| 22:27.36 | grivell | Anyone know if the iPod Shuffle works under Linux? |
| 22:27.59 | Curalton | isnt is basically an usb stick? |
| 22:28.18 | Curalton | it* |
| 22:28.29 | grivell | I don't own one yet, not sure. |
| 22:30.28 | mirak | what is the advantage of having 64 bits computers ? |
| 22:30.34 | mirak | hum cpu |
| 22:31.01 | grivell | More than 4gb ram supported |
| 22:33.23 | simonrvn | larger supported filesystems, slightly bigger binaries :/, code complexity to support 32/64. there's plusses and minuses |
| 22:33.47 | assassin | Does anyone else find it offensive that they only have 2 t-shirt sizes @ debianshop.com... extra extra large and extra large |
| 22:35.23 | simonrvn | i wear extra large due to my wide shoulders. and i weigh about 60 kg (?, 145 lbs) =) |
| 22:35.46 | mirak | 60kg ??? |
| 22:35.48 | mirak | lol |
| 22:35.53 | mirak | hum |
| 22:35.58 | mirak | what is your height ? |
| 22:36.04 | assassin | The XL should fit me then? |
| 22:36.11 | simonrvn | 5'10", about 172 cm |
| 22:36.29 | assassin | Yeah... |
| 22:36.30 | simonrvn | yeh. a bit baggy, but comfy |
| 22:36.37 | mirak | hum |
| 22:36.43 | assassin | but I wanna wear 'em out on dates :'( |
| 22:37.02 | mirak | I am 74kg for 1m76 |
| 22:37.04 | simonrvn | tuck it in, with some pulled out slightly. it'll look ok |
| 22:37.28 | simonrvn | mirak: yeh, i've tried gaining weight, no dice :/ |
| 22:37.31 | assassin | heh... I wear girls jeans cause I hate baggy clothes ;P |
| 22:37.42 | mirak | simonrvn: you tried sport ? |
| 22:37.53 | simonrvn | yes. i bike everywhere |
| 22:37.55 | mirak | try nuttella, this works fine ;) |
| 22:38.07 | simonrvn | hehe ;) mmmmm, nutella |
| 22:38.18 | mirak | bred plus butter plus nutella= weight |
| 22:38.29 | mirak | bred plus butter plus nutella= overweight |
| 22:38.30 | assassin | butter :o |
| 22:38.31 | mirak | lol |
| 22:38.40 | mirak | yes |
| 22:38.43 | simonrvn | i don't want to be overweight ;p |
| 22:38.48 | mirak | this gives a very nice taste |
| 22:38.50 | assassin | You butter your nutella? :o |
| 22:38.56 | mirak | not often |
| 22:38.57 | al_ | mmh |
| 22:39.11 | al_ | nutella+butter |
| 22:39.11 | mirak | because that's really evil |
| 22:39.17 | assassin | :D |
| 22:39.18 | al_ | i'll remember, i need 15kg |
| 22:39.25 | mirak | but this gives a really nice taste |
| 22:39.32 | mirak | salted butter of course |
| 22:39.42 | al_ | erm |
| 22:39.47 | mirak | I don't know if there is salted butter in other countries |
| 22:39.51 | assassin | Cause margerin's for lusers |
| 22:39.58 | mirak | yes |
| 22:39.59 | mirak | exactly |
| 22:40.05 | simonrvn | mirak: salted, and unsalted |
| 22:40.15 | mirak | and hlf-salted |
| 22:40.18 | mirak | half |
| 22:40.23 | simonrvn | yeh, that too |
| 22:40.37 | simonrvn | anyway, gotta go pay bills |
| 22:40.38 | mirak | I don't like salted, because you feel the grains |
| 22:40.47 | mirak | of salt |
| 22:40.48 | mirak | bye |
| 22:40.53 | mirak | gona sleep |
| 22:40.56 | assassin | peace hommie! |
| 22:41.09 | al_ | (that's why i love irc.) |
| 22:41.15 | al_ | (salted butter on a debian channel) |
| 22:54.15 | Curalton | debianshop doesnt work in konqueror :/ |
| 22:54.41 | assassin | Yet safari.app loads it ;P |
| 22:54.55 | Curalton | must be my paranoid settings as to cookies etc. |
| 22:56.04 | Curalton | bah, they dont have the debian gnu linux shirt with just "swirl" + "gnu" + "penguin" and no redundant words |
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| 23:40.59 | werewolf | hi all, for having in linux the same kind of suspend of MacOSX what version of kernel/patch I need? |
| 23:41.09 | werewolf | ibook g4 |
| 23:43.35 | dj-death | 2.6.9 with benh or 2.6.11 |
| 23:43.50 | dj-death | benh patch |
| 23:45.36 | werewolf | 2.6.11 pristine? |
| 23:45.52 | dj-death | pristine ? |
| 23:45.57 | dj-death | what is that ? |
| 23:46.23 | werewolf | 2.6.11 pure, without any patch |
| 23:47.53 | dj-death | yes |
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| 23:50.23 | werewolf | dj-death: I didn't find any voice in menuconfig, is automatic? (like udev support) |
| 23:50.42 | simonrvn | werewolf: "voice"? |
| 23:51.00 | dj-death | udev is a userspace tool |
| 23:51.21 | dj-death | it has nothing to do with kernel's menuconfig |
| 23:51.31 | dj-death | you just need hotplug support |
| 23:53.35 | dj-death | werewolf: why dont you use an already done .config ? |
| 23:53.39 | dj-death | like the debian one |
| 23:56.09 | werewolf | dj-death: I do it, coping the .config of 2.6.8 (ubuntu), and do make old config before a menuconfig |
| 23:56.32 | werewolf | s/old config/oldconfig/ |
| 23:58.21 | simonrvn | um, ubuntu users should go to #ubuntu |
| 23:59.14 | dj-death | ;) |