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00:04.27werewolfbut Debian people are better :)
00:07.25simonrvndon't make me repeat myself
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00:16.50HotaruThello again ...
00:17.41HotaruTI've got finally 2.6 unpacking.. now it hangs when detecting the scsi controller: "sym0: <825a> rev 0x13 at pci 0000:00:02.0 irq 15" ... "sym0: SCSI BUS has been reset."  and finish ):
00:20.31moochwerewolf: it is refered as vanilla
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01:20.41Miashell0
01:21.07Miassomebody ot lmsensors running on an ibook?
01:21.15Miasgot even
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01:49.19LithiHey im having a problem with a Blue and White G3 you get a Kernel Panic: Attempted to kill init! msg basicly theres a howto hackjob that I followed for initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-powerpc but after doing a apt-get update it has installed initrd.img-2.6.8.1-5-powerpc
01:50.32Lithibasicly I can get to yaboot when starting up but I get that same kernel panic msg I wanted to kno if thers a way to tell yaboot to use initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-powerpc
01:51.12Lithiwithout having to edit the yaboot.conf I want to be able to start the computer by typing in something from the boot: line
01:51.18Lithithen I can edit the yaboot.conf
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12:57.28Roeyhi
12:57.40RoeyWhere can I get a normal PPC motherboard + CPU without the Apple nonsense?
12:58.36Bor_Edwww.mai.com
12:58.40Roeythanks
12:58.43Bor_Ednp
12:59.04Bor_Edibm and motorola have reference boards too, prolly way more expensive than mai teron board though
13:01.04Roeyit's expensive.
13:01.22Roeyalmost $4000 for a motherboard that supports powerpcs < 200 Mhz.
13:01.49Roeythis is disappointing.. I wish there was a real alternative to Apple and x86 and Sun.
13:01.50Bor_Edmai teron uses 1GHz+ cpus
13:02.04Roeythat's not what the motherboard info says -- maybe I read it wrong.
13:02.04Bor_Edthe board is same as on amigaone computer
13:02.07Roeyok
13:02.19Bor_Edanother choice would be www.pegasosppc.com
13:02.24Roeyoh, right! thanks
13:02.27RoeyI forgot about them!
13:02.30Bor_Ed:)
13:02.41RoeyBor_Ed:  I'm wondering if it's possible to get Sparc boards the same way
13:02.53Bor_EdI pretty much doubt
13:02.59Roeyor for that matter, MIPS (mips is actually sold by this one company but it's SUPER expensive)
13:03.06Bor_Edmips possibly... they're used on loads of embedded boards
13:03.10Roeyright
13:03.13Roeybut I mean as a desktop
13:03.19Roeyafter al, there is $debian-mips
13:03.20Roeyer
13:03.23Roey#debian-mips
13:03.28Roeyand Debian supports mips.
13:03.34Bor_Edwww.linuxdevices.com has some interesting stuff... check out the site
13:03.39Roeyaye, thanks
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13:46.57Callipygousanybody using 'testing' experience X crashing frequently, like every 15 or so minutes?? it happens no matter what window manager im using, It just crashes geting a "Fatal server error: Caught signal 11.  Server aborting"
13:50.02HomeRoeyCallipygous:  it normally is nvidia for me
13:50.15Callipygoushmm
13:50.23Callipygousnvidia has been fine for me
13:50.32Callipygousbut ive only used it on x86
13:50.48Callipygousmy ppc, on the other hand, is 'platinum' im using the FB driver
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15:49.35shark_hohello
15:49.48shark_hoanybody knows why i cann't make work my debian ppc ?
15:52.08shark_hoi make step by step in the menu install
15:52.32shark_hobut, when i arrive to the step to install, nothing
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15:56.03shark_hoplease
15:56.18thebugoperator error?
15:57.53shark_honop
15:58.04shark_hotell me this exactly
16:05.37shark_hothebug
16:05.49shark_hono modules found in /target...
16:10.45shark_hoi jump this step and go to install kernel base
16:10.55shark_hothen it doesn't boo
16:10.58shark_hoboot :S
16:14.18pahartikshark_ho: was it you having problem with "new kernel", "initrd" and "yaboot"?
16:14.36shark_hoyaboot i think
16:14.52shark_hoi downloaded the iso from the topic, and i cann't init it
16:15.31drwarppahartik: does 2.6.11 contains benh sleep patches?
16:15.51pahartikdrwarp: it does
16:16.13drwarpmuble muble...
16:17.17drwarpso the problems with usb were solved?
16:17.41pahartikdrwarp: as did Linux 2.6.11-rc4 and Linux 2.6.11-rc5 (apparently)
16:19.14pahartikdrwarp: i do not know about that, my iBook G4 crashes on wakeup every now and then... but sometimes it works, today it has worked several times, uptime is already more than 28 hours
16:20.58pahartikdrwarp: only USB device i care about for now is built-in Bluetooth because... 1. i use it, 2. it cannot be simply detached
16:21.30pahartikdrwarp: so i do not know if USB device causes that problem...
16:22.20drwarpI have also usb built-in on 2.6.9 with 7th benh's patch. It is very stable on sleep->wakeup.
16:23.10drwarpI have problem only when, for example, my iBook is sleepin', i connect an usb mouse during sleep, and I wake up it!
16:23.19drwarpThe result is KERNEL PANIC! :)
16:26.13pahartikdrwarp: i see that often as well... but it already saves time... i do not have to shutdown/boot every time i move around, just every other time or so when it crashes on wakeup
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19:14.30Q-FUNKanybody found a way to disable those needless debug messages from the framebuffer in 2.6.11?
19:15.41Q-FUNKatyfb
19:15.44Bor_Eddo you have evdev (or such) enabled on config ?
19:16.09Bor_Edtdfx framebuffer here
19:18.12neliwhy am i getting a lot of evbug.c events ?
19:18.16neliMar  4 20:03:45 kronos kernel: evbug.c: Event. Dev: adb2:2.05/input, Type: 0, Code: 0, Value: 0
19:18.20neliMar  4 20:03:46 kronos kernel: evbug.c: Event. Dev: adb2:2.05/input, Type: 1, Code: 54, Value: 1
19:18.23neli....
19:19.03Bor_Eddisable the buggr on kernel config
19:19.25nelisorry, buggr, where do i find that ?
19:19.30Bor_Edit'll flood the HD full pretty fast if you keep it enabled
19:19.38neliwhat do the messages mean ? is it harmful ?
19:19.54neliyes i've noticed :)
19:19.58Q-FUNKCONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV
19:20.18Bor_Edthat's the one
19:20.23Q-FUNKCONFIG_INPUT_EVBUG
19:20.44Bor_EdCONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV=m
19:20.44Bor_Ed# CONFIG_INPUT_EVBUG is not set
19:20.50Bor_Edand no probs ahead
19:21.09fluffy_wolfis .11 stable for people?  I've heard reports of kernel hangs...
19:21.21Bor_Edhasn't hung here so far
19:21.24neliah it's for debugging
19:21.24Bor_Ed<PROTECTED>
19:21.29nelithanks Bor_Ed / Q-FUNK  :)
19:21.47Bor_Ednp
19:21.55Q-FUNKI'm still wondering what produces all that atyfb debug crap
19:22.18Bor_EdQ-FUNK, tried different bpp values and such ?
19:22.42Q-FUNKBor_Ed: no, why? where?
19:23.00Bor_Edon bootloader / X conf
19:23.26Bor_Edcould be that the driver wants 32 bit mode instead of 24 bit or other weirdness
19:23.49fluffy_wolfsigh.  someone is trying to convince me on another channel that invading iraq is a good thing, and all those US-haters deserve whatever happens to them.
19:24.17Bor_Edmmm, exporting democracy is sure good thing (tm)
19:24.27Bor_Edthough this chan isn't about politics :)
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19:25.03fluffy_wolflol
19:25.10fluffy_wolfdebian is all about politics.  :P
19:25.40neliwhat should happen if i boot the kernel with video=ofonly ?
19:25.48nelii have a 9600
19:25.50fluffy_wolfhrmm, 2.6.11 has lots of psmouse fixes.  maybe my mouse will FINALLY work again, after not working for the entire 2.6 series...
19:26.03neliand when booting with quik, the screen simply goes black
19:26.08fluffy_wolfI've been stuck with a USB mouse for the last 10 versions.
19:26.52nelibecause even video=ofonly turns off the CRT
19:31.13Bor_Edfluffy_wolf, I've used usb 2 wheel mouse on usb2 peecee pci card here all along on the 2.6 series... never worked on deb tree though but vanilla has ran as should
19:32.18fluffy_wolfusb mice work fine.  on x86 hardware, I haven't been able to get ps2 mice to work.
19:32.27fluffy_wolfoff-topic.  :)
19:32.40Bor_Edps2 ... hmm... a bit off-topic indeed
19:33.03Bor_Edthough I use ImPS2 on the usb mouse as well as on ADB mouse here
19:33.15fluffy_wolfheh
19:33.34fluffy_wolfI don't know if I'm doing something stupid or what, but I have had absolutely zero luck getting ps/2 mice to work...
19:33.56fluffy_wolf"37078308 bytes transferred in 99 seconds (364.7K/s)"  bah, kernel.org is slow today.  :)
19:33.58thebugI've never had a problem with PS/2 mice in 2.6 and I've run every minor rev of it
19:34.04thebugbut again, offtopic ;)
19:34.29Bor_Edfluffy_wolf, use local mirror...
19:34.56fluffy_wolfthebug:  hrmm.  maybe it just doesn't like my hardware or something.  I spent about two days loading the code full of debug statements, and the most I could figure was that the hardware ps/2 driver simply didn't work...
19:35.21thebugcould be that your ps/2 port is busted, or just disabled in the bios or somesuch
19:35.26fluffy_wolfworked fine in 2.4  :P
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20:35.58nelisimonrvn: weee it boots now
20:36.04simonrvncool
20:36.37neliCONFIG_BOOTX_TEXT seemed to be the culprit
20:36.45nelineed to have it disabled
20:37.11simonrvnfor what machine again?
20:37.27neli9600 / imsttfb128mb8a
20:37.59simonrvnweird. glad it works though
20:38.08nelimaybe this can be put on penguinppc.org or one of those sites as a hint for others
20:38.19neliOTOH, how many people are using such an old machine ;-)
20:38.37simonrvnsure. i'm sure not only you ;)
20:40.06neliphew :)
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20:40.17otavioHello folks ...
20:41.00otavioI'm using 2.6.11-rc5 and I'm having problems when my ibook try to suspend. It display a lot of terminal issues (I can read them) and then doesn't resume.
20:41.12otavioAnyone have idea how I can try to fix it?
20:41.13simonrvnseems it's fixed in 2.6.11
20:41.52simonrvnneli: putting it up on the wiki
20:42.21otaviosimonrvn: yeah?
20:42.29nelisimonrvn: ok...where ?
20:42.31otavioamazing! I'll try it then!
20:42.50simonrvnwiki.kisikew.org/bin/Know/MacModels
20:43.22neli"The requested URL /bin/Know/MacModels was not found on this server."
20:43.40simonrvnoh sorry forgot the view/
20:43.53simonrvnbin/view/Know
20:47.19nelisimonrvn: can't remember visiting here TBH
20:47.31nelibut then again, i've visited a lot of pages ;-)
20:48.09neli(related to ppc, quik, booting, etc.)
20:51.48fluffy_wolfhrmm.  is there some way to make gzip take advantge of n cpus, where n > 1?  :)
20:52.27nelii think that's impossible
20:52.54nelicompression depends on previous data
20:52.54simonrvndoubt it. man gzip to check
20:53.04simonrvnyes
20:53.29fluffy_wolfwhile my cpu load is only 50%.
20:53.36simonrvndone
20:54.17fluffy_wolfhrmm.  apparently there's more ps/2 mouse issues with SMP kernels than with non-smp kernels.  perhaps that's why 2.6 broke my mouse...
20:54.42simonrvngo to "Models without video on the motherboard" and you'll see it after the small table
20:55.48nelithe font seems large or is it me ?
20:56.02nelithe width is too wide for my browser
20:56.07simonrvndepends on the browser it seems.
20:56.07nelineed horizontal scrollbar
20:56.42nelithanks for adding
20:56.47nelihope it is useful to somebody
20:56.53simonrvnoh that page, yeh. it's a bit wide for some reason. i'll take a look at why (guessing it's the table + sidebar stuff)
20:57.14simonrvnshould do that more often ;)
20:57.20neli:-)
20:58.01neliwhy is CAPS LOCK per default on when the system is booted ?
20:58.22neliand the right shift key does not work
20:58.32neliit does in openfirmware
20:59.58simonrvnwhen the kernel zaps the ADB bus, seems that it turns on capslock on certain boxen
21:01.52nelisimonrvn: can i make an init script that sends a fake caps lock keypress, or something? :)
21:02.25Bor_Edsimonrvn, seems that at least on every oldworld
21:04.54simonrvnok
21:05.03simonrvnneli: no
21:05.30neliit's a bug in the kernel ?
21:05.58simonrvnno idea
21:07.10simonrvnfluffy_wolf: put it this way, you can run 2 gzip instances without the load going over 1.0 or whatever ;)
21:07.30fluffy_wolfblah  :)
21:08.27simonrvn;p
21:09.32fluffy_wolfI'm re-windozing a friend's computer...  he wants me to back everything up then reformat it.  I typically do this by popping in a rescue cd and sending a big tarball over the network...  even with doing the gzip on my machine, cpu is still the bottleneck.  I have a nice 866mhz cpu sitting there with 99% idle...  :P
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21:12.25simonrvnheh
21:14.15nelihmm the colors in X aren't good
21:14.32simonrvnuse 24 or 15, not 16
21:16.27neli24 turns off the screen
21:17.16neli15 is better, but still slightly wrong
21:17.32neli8 is good i think
21:17.37nelibut....it's only 8 :)
21:17.57p8mIs there a way to get an airport(802.11b) card to work in monitor mode?
21:21.01simonrvnprobably
21:21.45p8mIt's orinoco based, are patches needed to get monitor mode in 2.6 kernels?
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21:23.24p8mhi
21:53.43simonrvndunno
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22:24.33nelisimonrvn: ah got it now
22:24.46neliDepth 24, "startx -- -fbbpp 32" does the trick
22:24.49nelinice colors ...
22:25.06nelinow, how do code the fbbpp parameter in XF86Config-4 ?
22:28.47neli"DefaultFbBpp 24"
22:28.56neliuhm...
22:28.58neli"DefaultFbBpp 32"
22:28.59neli:)
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22:45.40Grockwhy is my keyboard gibberish?
22:46.40Grockwhen i recompile kernel?
22:49.52pahartikGrock: you used some ancient kernel and now tried to compile recent kernel?
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22:50.28Grocki had 2.4.18 and tried to compile the source with the same config
22:51.04Grockalso tried 2.6.10 with the same effect
22:53.27GrockI just need to reference the loaded kernels compiled source that's all.  Maybe 2.6 kernel!
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22:57.42pahartikGrock: does "http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/keycodes" apply to your situation? document does not seem to mention kernel versions...
22:57.50Grockdelete turns into a comma after recompile
22:58.57dsam I doing something really wrong, or is snd_powermac not supposed to work on my machine?
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23:01.26pahartikds: various audio hardware devices of PowerMacintosh computers are supported by that driver... if your PowerMacintosh is one of the latest models, it may not yet be supported
23:01.54dspahartik: no, it's a 4-year-old G4
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23:33.47dshrm, oh well.  It was just me being stupid
23:33.58ds(and alsa being generally difficult to deal with)
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