| 00:02.59 | niktaris | who can help me? |
| 00:03.02 | niktaris | kernel panic -not syncing : VFS Unable to mount root fs on unknown block (1.0) |
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| 08:49.16 | jc-denton | can i use pax on ppc |
| 08:50.31 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:51.23 | jc-denton | all grsecurity stuff? |
| 08:51.25 | jc-denton | :) |
| 08:51.33 | jc-denton | that's cool |
| 08:52.24 | simonrvn | get 2.1.2. it's in debian (sid) |
| 08:53.46 | jc-denton | http://pax.grsecurity.net/tux_pen1.jpg |
| 08:53.53 | jc-denton | i like the pax logo |
| 08:58.23 | simonrvn | /usr/src/kernel-patches/diffs/grsecurity2/grsecurity-2.1.2-2.6.11.patch.gz |
| 08:58.31 | simonrvn | applies clean to mainline |
| 09:06.43 | efort | I have a mac 6500 does it require macOS to be present as a bootloader for debian? |
| 09:09.16 | simonrvn | sec |
| 09:09.28 | simonrvn | i don't think so, but i need to check |
| 09:10.03 | simonrvn | http://wiki.kisikew.org/bin/view/Know/MacModels |
| 09:11.04 | simonrvn | no. you can use quik. might need to do some firmware tweaking though (not hard) |
| 09:14.39 | efort | ah, quick not familiar with that gotta look |
| 09:14.53 | simonrvn | quik, not quick |
| 09:15.17 | efort | thanks quik it is |
| 09:16.44 | efort | the mac os9 setup tool complains that my drive is unsupported...will debian care? |
| 09:18.40 | simonrvn | probably just means either there's no driver partitions, or the macos driver isn't supported by drive setup. probably not |
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| 09:22.18 | efort | didn't think so...wonder what apple would say when they heard that linux was wisier to install than os9? :) |
| 09:22.28 | efort | *easier |
| 09:23.22 | efort | any suggestions on how to boot to start the install? |
| 09:23.25 | simonrvn | they know it exists... hell they use gcc and other gnu stuff in mac os x... |
| 09:23.46 | efort | yea, GRIN... |
| 09:23.50 | simonrvn | the install guide. http;//www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 09:24.48 | efort | is ppc net install possible - went pretty slick on my x86 stuff with the new installer |
| 09:25.16 | simonrvn | on that thing? hmm, dunno. very different beasts |
| 09:25.44 | efort | so no net install?...would be nice |
| 09:26.29 | simonrvn | not no, just very different. if you've done netboot on sparc, say, you'll have the skills already |
| 09:30.10 | efort | no not net boot...more like floppy boot then install from a mirror |
| 09:30.25 | simonrvn | yup |
| 09:30.26 | efort | think I just found the images |
| 09:30.45 | efort | cool |
| 09:33.23 | simonrvn | :) |
| 09:34.53 | simonrvn | might want to read the footnote on that page i pasted (the wiki site) |
| 09:45.20 | efort | yea, did that - I'll read it 2x or more though - thanks for the start - it's gonna be a long night (I hope) |
| 09:46.27 | simonrvn | heh, have fun :) |
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| 09:53.57 | efort | is there some trick I should know about getting the mac to boot from floppies? |
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| 09:55.38 | simonrvn | not really. just knowing that those floppy drives are fucking picky |
| 10:02.48 | efort | Yea, must be this one...unfortunately I understand that this machine will not boot from cd being oldworld...how the macOS install cd's get around that I don't know... |
| 10:03.16 | simonrvn | with some evil proprietary hackery |
| 10:03.34 | simonrvn | ...that is going to be reverse engineered one of these days |
| 10:04.12 | simonrvn | but the interest is dying... most people with the know-how don'r even care for oldworlds anymore.. or not much |
| 10:04.33 | efort | wonder if they'd licience that...not like they support these boxes anymore anyway... |
| 10:04.56 | simonrvn | haven't for years |
| 10:06.08 | efort | I know - in my case it makes apple support look really bad. I may stll buy a mini to play with though... |
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| 10:45.35 | arana | hello, i am using a i-mic griffin and after 30 mn playing it get stuck and says: "function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument" any idea? |
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| 11:52.44 | werewolf | Hi all, debian testing on a ibook G4, compiling the kernel 2.6.11, have the same "wake up from suspend" problem of Ubuntu? |
| 11:53.08 | werewolf | s/have/will have/ |
| 11:55.14 | pahartik | werewolf: it is unstable but mostly works? |
| 11:55.52 | werewolf | pahartik: |
| 11:56.02 | werewolf | I don't understand |
| 11:57.05 | pahartik | werewolf: me neither |
| 11:57.35 | pahartik | werewolf: it is supposedly related to USB |
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| 11:58.38 | pahartik | werewolf: kernel crashes on wakeup, but not every time |
| 12:00.08 | werewolf | pahartik: so there is the same problem on Debian :-( |
| 12:02.41 | mhy | hi all, I'm new to using Debian on anything other than x76 |
| 12:02.43 | mhy | whoops |
| 12:03.01 | mhy | x86; any good pointers on Debian on Xserve G5s |
| 12:03.15 | mhy | (2.6.10 oopses on startup for me) |
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| 12:21.36 | niktaris | hi |
| 12:22.25 | niktaris | svenl |
| 12:34.29 | svenl | hi. |
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| 12:36.10 | niktaris | hi sorry again. Believe me when I say that I followed your instuctions as carefully as I could. ( but sometimes this is the reason someting goes wrong) |
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| 12:45.35 | niktaris | svenl vmlinux and initrd enough ? |
| 12:48.09 | svenl | niktaris: if they come from the debian kernel, yes, if not no. |
| 12:48.35 | svenl | niktaris: did you use the kernel-patch-powerpc provided post-install, and create the kernel with make-kpkg ? |
| 12:48.51 | niktaris | yes |
| 12:49.53 | svenl | so you just need to do : |
| 12:50.26 | svenl | mkvmlinuz -o whatever_name_you_chose -k /boot/vmlinux-2.6.10-knoppix -i /path_to_your_initrd. |
| 12:52.10 | niktaris | yes ( the -o was at the end though) |
| 12:53.07 | al_ | (software patents adopted in europe) |
| 12:53.29 | simonrvn | oh no |
| 12:53.30 | niktaris | svenl I will have to check the kernel too to see the CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD |
| 12:53.50 | niktaris | maybe this is the problem |
| 12:54.35 | al_ | ( http://wiki.ffii.org/Cons050307En ) |
| 12:55.24 | svenl | niktaris: and you tried booting the resulting whatever_name_you_chose ? |
| 12:55.36 | svenl | and yes, you definitively need the initrd support. |
| 12:55.45 | svenl | also, maybe you need to boot with root=/dev/ram |
| 12:58.26 | niktaris | svenl root=/dev/ram i used, I used vmlinuz ( without the initrd) for testing as it is not needed. booting the vmlinux from hd gives me some colored squar blocks |
| 12:58.48 | svenl | yeah, and what did happen with the vmlinuz without initrd ? |
| 12:58.58 | svenl | the vmlinux and colored colors is normal though. |
| 13:00.20 | niktaris | svenl boots normaly |
| 13:01.04 | svenl | ok, so it should just plain work, no ? |
| 13:02.19 | niktaris | It should. I will check the .config ( used the one I send you) and try ones more |
| 13:02.43 | svenl | Ok. |
| 13:03.00 | svenl | I would like access to your stuff, what about putting it on the svn repo on the alioth pegasos project ? |
| 13:03.33 | niktaris | I could do that |
| 13:04.59 | niktaris | the only problem ( ok one of the problems) is that I will have to do it from work as I don't have a dsl line at home |
| 13:11.19 | svenl | niktaris: euh, you include the source code on the svn server, it should be light. |
| 13:25.46 | niktaris | I too want to upload my stuff someplace as more ppl can help solve bugs etc. |
| 13:37.30 | niktaris | svenl you think I should register it as a seperate project or under pegasos? |
| 13:37.49 | svenl | no, just plain add it on pegasos, it is empty otherwise. |
| 13:37.55 | svenl | you can always move later. |
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| 13:38.20 | niktaris | ok cu later |
| 13:47.13 | OC_ZzZZZzZ | werewolf: did you try this fix for suspend? http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-239895-highlight-wake.html alternatively disabling DRI has been reported to help |
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| 13:49.53 | lobezno | hi |
| 13:50.35 | lobezno | when I try to write in my hfs+ partition I obtain the message "read only partition" |
| 13:56.06 | pahartik | lobezno: and "mount" says it is "ro"? |
| 13:56.16 | simonrvn | umount it, fsck it, remount |
| 13:56.30 | lobezno | is rw |
| 13:56.33 | lobezno | ok |
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| 15:00.03 | mhy | that's better; the xserve thermal control patch makes things less noisy |
| 15:00.16 | mhy | but still noiser than under osx; maybe I just need to twiddle somewhere |
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| 15:16.50 | raffi | hi |
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| 15:55.52 | liiwi | simonrvn: ping |
| 15:56.00 | simonrvn | liiwi: poing |
| 15:56.14 | liiwi | simonrvn: about crossfire.. |
| 15:57.08 | simonrvn | hydroxide was going to talk to me about it a few days ago. was busy then, so we'll talk about it soon |
| 15:58.34 | liiwi | simonrvn: just wondering if I should post RFA to -devel. |
| 15:59.04 | simonrvn | might as well. have a project up at alioth, and a mailing list there |
| 15:59.28 | liiwi | ok |
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| 16:14.41 | Grock | anyone get dlink usb working? |
| 16:14.47 | andun | Yup |
| 16:15.00 | Grock | how? |
| 16:15.50 | andun | humm... apt-get source linux-wlan-ng && cd linux-wlan-ng-* && debian-buildpackage && dpkg -i ../linux-wlan*deb or something? :-) |
| 16:16.36 | andun | dpkg-buildpackage of course. |
| 16:16.43 | Grock | hmm doesn't that want compiled kernel sources |
| 16:16.46 | simonrvn | debuild |
| 16:17.28 | andun | Grock: sure. you'll need that if you can't find a package for it |
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| 16:21.32 | raffi | has anybody successfully installed debian ppc64 on a ibm 7017-S7A? |
| 16:22.51 | simonrvn | dunno, i'll check? has anyone done what raffi asked? |
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| 16:42.22 | demon | didn't know there was a debian/ppc64 |
| 16:44.14 | raffi | well, it's not a official tree |
| 16:44.16 | raffi | http://debian-ppc64.alioth.debian.org/READ_ME |
| 16:44.34 | raffi | or does the ppc tree work on these machines? |
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| 17:05.10 | simonrvn | 32 bit userspace will work |
| 17:08.46 | raffi | cool |
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| 17:44.16 | dj-death | how is it possible to make work 32bits userspace programs on a 64bits kernel ? |
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| 17:46.28 | jk3 | dj-death: with 32bit emulation? or the same way you can use 16bit apps on your intel pc |
| 17:47.05 | dj-death | ok |
| 17:48.28 | jk3 | why? if you're interested in a real answer, there should be lots of documentation around |
| 17:56.13 | fluffy_wolf | muwahaha! took three days of IRCing, but I've convinced a pro-bush republican that communism is better than capitalism. :) |
| 17:57.27 | jk3 | fluffy_wolf: show him that too: http://www.livejournal.com/users/jk3/6002.html |
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| 20:27.42 | robelix | Hi! Somebody out there who knows how to reactivate an oldworld powermac 7600 that doesn't want to boot anymore? |
| 20:28.51 | Bor_Ed | alt+apple+p+r after it 'boings' on power on, keep pressed for couple of 'boings' and release |
| 20:29.01 | pahartik | robelix: some Macintosh models refuse to boot without battery |
| 20:29.44 | robelix | It did boot from the debian-disk, after install it did boot 1 time from hd |
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| 20:30.19 | robelix | then I compiled a kernel and now it doesn't boot any more |
| 20:34.06 | robelix | @Bor_Ed: thanks, that's it! A site I found by google said alt+alt+p+r :( |
| 20:34.50 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 20:36.41 | robelix | never trust the net ;) |
| 20:36.55 | Bor_Ed | it's prolly just a typo from the writer |
| 20:38.05 | pahartik | robelix: that key combination it is more often known as <Command>-<Option>-P-R |
| 20:38.39 | Bor_Ed | or zapping the pram |
| 20:39.03 | robelix | but it's quite hard for a ppc-noob to know what's command and what's option... |
| 20:39.31 | al_ | command=apple and option=alt |
| 20:39.49 | robelix | yupp, I know (now) |
| 20:41.26 | pahartik | robelix: "MacOS help" describes special key combinations clearly |
| 20:46.27 | robelix | I never did anything with macos - and I've got this old mac with blanked hds... |
| 20:52.10 | dj-death | how to configure gtkpbbuttons to use alsa driver |
| 20:52.11 | dj-death | ? |
| 20:53.40 | andun | dj-death: What? That's never been a problem. Can you control your sound with alsamixer or something? |
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| 20:54.38 | dj-death | andun: gtkpbbuttons does a little 'bip' sound when changing raising the volume |
| 20:54.59 | dj-death | andun: but when xmms is playing it does not work |
| 20:55.02 | andun | dj-death: you're talking about pbbuttonsd, right? |
| 20:55.17 | chrisa | I should patch pbbuttonsd to actually change the sound volumes a usable amount on each press |
| 20:55.26 | dj-death | andun: yes |
| 20:55.26 | chrisa | It's pretty cruddy with defaults |
| 20:55.44 | andun | Humm... it works great here. |
| 20:55.51 | andun | chrisa: yeah, that's a good idea |
| 20:56.00 | andun | dj-death: what about alsamixer? |
| 20:56.04 | dj-death | andun: gtkpbbuttons is a little gtk app to display the backlight/volume level |
| 20:56.20 | dj-death | andun: well gtkpbbuttons works fine |
| 20:56.50 | andun | I know that, but it's just a frontend for pbbuttons, isn't it? |
| 20:56.57 | dj-death | andun: except it plays a little sound that cant be heard when another app is using the audio output |
| 20:57.32 | andun | Humm... Sure you have alsa set up correctly? |
| 20:57.44 | dj-death | yes |
| 20:57.56 | andun | wierd |
| 20:58.02 | dj-death | I can use xmms and rhythmbox at the same time |
| 20:58.43 | dj-death | I wonder if gtkpbbuttons is alsa-aware |
| 20:58.53 | dj-death | maybe not |
| 21:01.14 | dj-death | well it's using libaudiofile |
| 21:01.26 | dj-death | maybe there is a way to configure libaudiofile |
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| 21:25.53 | niktaris | hi |
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| 22:20.52 | grivell | YES! Found a loophole to the USB suspend bug |
| 22:31.32 | dj-death | woowo ;) |
| 22:38.26 | grivell | I so happpppy |
| 22:38.29 | pahartik | grivell: what is that? |
| 22:39.08 | grivell | 2.6.11 has iBook G4 suspend support. But if you have usb plugged in, it crashes. |
| 22:40.16 | grivell | Well, I'm not sure what fixed it, but I compiled the usb subsystem as modules, and added "usb suspend/resume (experimental)". Then added a resume event to run /etc/init.d/hotplug restart ; ifup wlan0 |
| 22:40.23 | pahartik | grivell: it _sometimes_ crashes |
| 22:41.09 | grivell | It crashed first time for me :) So I did everything I could to work around it. Hasn't crashed yet. |
| 22:41.20 | grivell | Hmm, 1 sec, time to suspend ;) |
| 22:43.37 | grivell | Worked. |
| 22:43.43 | pahartik | grivell: oh yes, this "CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND" option is enabled in my kernel |
| 22:44.09 | grivell | Is it modules? |
| 22:44.19 | grivell | Worked for me again :) |
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| 23:02.59 | *** join/#debianppc dreamind (~dreamind@C2107.campino.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) |
| 23:26.15 | *** join/#debianppc niktaris_ (~niktaris@dyn243.her1.nas.panafonet.gr) |
| 23:36.33 | niktaris_ | just checking : when doing make-kpkg --subarch for pegasos is it pcmac or chrp ? |
