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| 01:25.21 | r0sk | Hi |
| 01:25.42 | r0sk | If X doesn't start well (blank screen) on init, what may I do? |
| 01:26.06 | r0sk | Alt+Ctrl+F1,F2... doesnt run |
| 01:27.14 | grivell | ibook? |
| 01:27.36 | grivell | What system? |
| 01:27.43 | grivell | brb smoke. |
| 01:27.58 | r0sk | yes |
| 01:28.02 | r0sk | ibook |
| 01:28.06 | r0sk | and ubuntu |
| 01:32.31 | r0sk | grivell, any tip? |
| 01:37.42 | grivell | You need to hit this in order: |
| 01:37.49 | grivell | ctrl-alt-fn-f1 |
| 01:37.56 | grivell | the FN is for the function keys. |
| 01:38.07 | r0sk | I'll try it and doesn't run |
| 01:38.07 | r0sk | :( |
| 01:38.20 | grivell | But Ubuntu is not Debian :) You have Radeon 9000 right? |
| 01:38.22 | r0sk | s/Ill/I had tried |
| 01:38.29 | r0sk | yes |
| 01:38.38 | r0sk | Radeon 5200 I think |
| 01:38.44 | grivell | Same book as me probably, G4 1.2 ghz, 12"? |
| 01:38.55 | r0sk | yes |
| 01:39.07 | grivell | Alright. Now you just need Debian Sid ;) |
| 01:39.26 | grivell | I never tried Ubuntu, but it uses X.ORG I think. |
| 01:39.40 | r0sk | wait, reinit... |
| 01:39.42 | grivell | If you want, I can send you my XF86Config. |
| 01:39.47 | r0sk | hmm |
| 01:40.00 | r0sk | I'd tried ubuntu cuz of prism2-usb |
| 01:40.01 | r0sk | :( |
| 01:40.36 | grivell | I have DWL-122 too |
| 01:40.40 | r0sk | I'd bought an usb-wifi and in debian kernel (2.6.8-powerpc) I dont find prism2-usb |
| 01:40.53 | grivell | You just need to get wlan-ng from an ftp site |
| 01:40.54 | r0sk | I recompiled 2.6.9 and dont find prism2-usb too |
| 01:41.06 | grivell | It isn't built into the kernel. |
| 01:41.11 | r0sk | but wlan-ng needs prism2-usb |
| 01:41.12 | grivell | It is separate modules. |
| 01:41.24 | grivell | wlan-ng from FTP. Not from Debian |
| 01:41.31 | r0sk | oh, I see |
| 01:41.37 | r0sk | but in apt there is a wlan-ng |
| 01:41.43 | grivell | And it sucks ;) |
| 01:41.50 | r0sk | hums, I dunno |
| 01:41.51 | r0sk | :D |
| 01:42.01 | r0sk | so, sources better? |
| 01:42.17 | grivell | wlan-ng in Debian has no modules compiled. I don't think the maintainers have a clue |
| 01:42.34 | grivell | So I just download the source, and compile / install over the wlan-ng from Debian |
| 01:43.08 | grivell | Works for me. And I have Suspend working now (and with USB modules) :) |
| 01:43.27 | r0sk | hums, have u got a bluetooth adapter? |
| 01:43.32 | grivell | Nope. |
| 01:43.57 | r0sk | hums |
| 01:44.11 | r0sk | so, the modules are compiled from source |
| 01:44.13 | r0sk | hmm |
| 01:44.30 | r0sk | Im thinking about reinstall debian sid |
| 01:44.54 | grivell | I basically have this: iBook 12" G4 1.2 GHz 512 MB ram 80gb hd, dvd/cd-rw, Radeon 9200M. |
| 01:45.21 | grivell | Then I use: SB Extigy USB sound, DVD-RW USB, and 200 GB 3.5" usb hd. |
| 01:45.30 | grivell | And of course USB mouse. |
| 01:46.40 | grivell | You have AIM or Yahoo or ICQ account? |
| 01:46.56 | r0sk | Mine is : iBook 12" G4 1.2GHz, 256RAM 60Gb HD, DVD/CD-RW and I think Radeon 9200M too, then I use a usb mouse and I pretend to use usb-wireless |
| 01:47.03 | r0sk | grivell, yes, r0sk@hotmail.com |
| 01:47.06 | grivell | AIM: CodeRedLin Yahoo: grivell ICQ: 107170 |
| 01:47.12 | r0sk | hmm |
| 01:47.14 | grivell | That is MSN? |
| 01:47.21 | r0sk | yes |
| 01:47.23 | r0sk | jabber? |
| 01:47.34 | grivell | No jabber. I didn't know anyone on it ;) |
| 01:47.41 | r0sk | Yahoo: r0sk |
| 01:48.02 | r0sk | :D |
| 01:48.14 | r0sk | ctrl+apple+power and press C |
| 01:48.16 | r0sk | lol |
| 01:48.45 | grivell | Hold C hehe |
| 01:48.55 | grivell | Until death... err bootup |
| 01:49.11 | grivell | Although I do like OpenFirmware in a strange way. |
| 01:49.20 | r0sk | o+f? |
| 01:49.58 | grivell | I can't remember the command, but o,f are in it ;) |
| 01:50.23 | r0sk | making partitions... |
| 01:51.06 | r0sk | I think in 20mins is ready to set prism |
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| 02:46.39 | callipygous | yo yo |
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| 02:49.30 | grivell | hey callipygous |
| 02:55.56 | callipygous | heya |
| 02:56.03 | callipygous | whats happening? |
| 02:58.12 | grivell | Not much. Just got suspend working perfect on iBook. |
| 03:00.19 | callipygous | wow |
| 03:00.31 | callipygous | thats the reason i never installed linux on my ibook |
| 03:00.44 | callipygous | but now im in love with os x, and i kinda need it for work ;) |
| 03:00.59 | p8m | Suspend is nice |
| 03:01.25 | grivell | haha. I use MacOnLinux if I need to use flash/java |
| 03:02.02 | deadsmith | does gdb -g provide DWARF2 info on ppc? |
| 03:02.13 | deadsmith | or do I have to use gdb -ggdb ? |
| 03:02.16 | grivell | I bought a MacMini for my parents. They asked me to put Linux on it :) |
| 03:02.22 | deadsmith | sorry, gcc -g vs. gcc -ggdb |
| 03:02.28 | callipygous | yeah, why would they ask that? |
| 03:02.53 | callipygous | i like the aqua interface, i'd use it all the time, so i'd always be using macOnLinux, so no point really |
| 03:03.24 | callipygous | im playing around with the XDirectFB on my linux/x86 machine, gawd its shit |
| 03:03.55 | callipygous | ive read forums from 2 years ago, of people having certain problems with it... and those problems still haven't been fixed, simple issues |
| 03:04.05 | callipygous | it crashes, is slow...gah |
| 03:04.54 | callipygous | and they said (2 years ago, or even 3 by now) that it's not ready, but its coming along kinda thing |
| 03:05.01 | callipygous | heh |
| 03:06.07 | grivell | They are use to Linux, that is why. |
| 03:06.12 | grivell | I brainwashed them :) |
| 03:06.52 | callipygous | oh well |
| 03:06.58 | callipygous | atleast you pointed them in the right direction |
| 03:07.22 | callipygous | when i first got my ibook, there were certain things i wasn't used to...and i wanted linux on it aswell..but i got used to it, and i love it now |
| 03:11.30 | grivell | And you will either be a pirate, or pay a lot for every upgrade ;) |
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| 03:14.31 | callipygous | haha |
| 03:14.42 | callipygous | take your pick, i guess |
| 03:14.55 | callipygous | still beats upgrading windows |
| 03:15.14 | callipygous | hey, ive got a question, about something that has been troubling me... |
| 03:15.19 | callipygous | I want to install an uncompressed kernel image |
| 03:15.42 | callipygous | should I use /usr/src/linux/vmlinux? I don't think so, as ive had problems with it |
| 03:16.10 | callipygous | but /usr/src/linux/arch/ppc/boot/images/vmlinux.bin won't boot at all |
| 03:21.27 | grivell | yes /usr/src/linux/vmlinux |
| 03:21.37 | grivell | Than edit /etc/yaboot.conf , then ybin -v |
| 03:21.38 | callipygous | you certain? |
| 03:21.48 | callipygous | using miBoot |
| 03:21.51 | callipygous | oldworld |
| 03:21.55 | grivell | Just did it yesterday, r0sk just did it now :) |
| 03:22.44 | callipygous | hmmm ok |
| 03:22.58 | callipygous | i had some problems with that file tho, so thought something might have been up |
| 03:23.17 | callipygous | wouldn't boot, made some changes back to what it was, recompiled the kernel |
| 03:23.21 | callipygous | tried booting it, same problem |
| 03:23.29 | callipygous | in the end i did a make clean, then rebuilt again |
| 03:23.41 | callipygous | took ages, but the resulting vmlinux in /usr/src/linux did boot |
| 03:25.17 | callipygous | the resulting kernel is a LOT bigger than the 2.4 kernel :( |
| 03:25.30 | grivell | 2.6? Yep |
| 03:25.54 | callipygous | is there much more in it or somethign? |
| 03:26.37 | grivell | Depends what you compiled in. But it is a lot more code. |
| 03:26.49 | callipygous | more code is baad :( |
| 03:27.03 | grivell | 2.6 is faster at most things than 2.4. |
| 03:27.31 | callipygous | yeah, haven't noticed any difference on this machine tho |
| 03:28.58 | callipygous | just wondering if there is any point me running a fatter kernel |
| 03:32.30 | callipygous | vmlinux.bin* vmlinux.coff* vmlinux.elf-pmac* vmlinux.gz |
| 03:32.34 | callipygous | what are all those for? |
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| 03:33.21 | callipygous | lots of vmlinux's |
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| 03:41.01 | grivell | Not sure. |
| 03:41.18 | grivell | I just do vmlinux :) It has to uncompress anyway upon load. |
| 03:41.25 | grivell | So it is faster to use vmlinux |
| 03:41.30 | callipygous | it shouldn't have to, if its uncompressed |
| 03:41.35 | callipygous | i thought vmlinux was uncompressed |
| 03:41.40 | grivell | It is |
| 03:41.44 | callipygous | and vmlinuz was compressed |
| 03:41.46 | grivell | I meant things like vmlinux.gz |
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| 03:54.41 | phyburn | hay i have a powerbook is there any way i can turn on right click |
| 03:54.52 | phyburn | like have it so i can hold down the apple key to right click |
| 03:56.41 | callipygous | nah not quite |
| 03:56.52 | callipygous | you can get F11 to be middle click and F12 to be right click |
| 03:56.57 | callipygous | if they aren't already |
| 03:58.21 | grivell | phyburn: yes |
| 03:58.39 | grivell | apt: 3-button |
| 03:58.55 | grivell | apt, 2+3button |
| 03:58.56 | phyburn | ok thanks |
| 03:58.58 | grivell | hmm |
| 03:59.20 | grivell | apt, mouse |
| 03:59.21 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, mouse is if you're having trouble with mice in XFree 4.0.2, go read /usr/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world |
| 03:59.31 | grivell | ARG what is it |
| 03:59.58 | grivell | apt, google 2+3+mouse+apple+linux |
| 04:01.43 | phyburn | man i wish i had right click to click on those links =) |
| 04:05.57 | grivell | apt, emulate3buttons |
| 04:05.58 | apt | emulate3buttons is, like, an XF86Config(-4) file parameter for people who stupidly bought two-button mice instead of 3-button ones. Press buttons 1&3 (left and right) simultaneously to emulate button 2 (middle). |
| 04:07.50 | callipygous | i don't think he brought a 2 button mouse |
| 04:07.53 | callipygous | ...either |
| 04:10.13 | grivell | nah |
| 04:10.21 | grivell | How do I go to next page in listkeys ? |
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| 04:44.46 | apollo | how does debian on ppc compare to debian on intel or other based system, performance wise? |
| 04:44.56 | callipygous | dunno |
| 04:44.59 | callipygous | im running on a 7200 |
| 04:45.05 | callipygous | so its a bit old to compare |
| 04:45.14 | apollo | hmm |
| 04:46.14 | apollo | how do you like debian? |
| 04:46.19 | apollo | i havent used it |
| 04:48.21 | callipygous | its alright |
| 04:50.45 | apollo | how do you (or anyone else...) like it compared to other linux distributions? |
| 04:51.17 | apollo | if i get one i was thinking about ubuntu cuz it's debian-based but updated more often |
| 04:57.03 | callipygous | yeah, i dunno hey |
| 04:57.04 | simonrvn | they have a different release policy. |
| 04:57.07 | callipygous | its all personal choice :S |
| 04:57.18 | callipygous | if you want upto-date you'd have to go debian-sid |
| 04:57.19 | simonrvn | it's like comparing apples and grapes |
| 04:57.30 | callipygous | definately don't use 'stable' aka woody |
| 04:57.47 | simonrvn | you can use woody. just not pleasant for a desktop machine |
| 04:58.03 | callipygous | yeah _can_ |
| 04:58.04 | apollo | oh |
| 04:58.18 | callipygous | it was okay, but gcc is really outdated |
| 04:58.22 | callipygous | 2.95 iirc |
| 04:58.35 | simonrvn | well, it is, but for most people, it's a bit stale |
| 04:58.52 | callipygous | hmm |
| 04:59.35 | apollo | well i'm use to os x so most anything would be a departure |
| 05:01.17 | callipygous | stick with os x, unless you have a slow system |
| 05:02.13 | apollo | yeah, i was mostly thinking i'd switch if i get a new comp next year for college and want something cheap |
| 05:02.19 | apollo | and i'd go with a free os |
| 05:02.49 | apollo | or just for something else to try out |
| 05:02.55 | thebug | well, OS X sans the prettiness is called darwin, and that's BSD/AFPL |
| 05:03.06 | apollo | yeah |
| 05:04.01 | apollo | if anything i should just learn more about unix on this comp, i just know the basics |
| 05:08.25 | callipygous | yup |
| 05:08.29 | callipygous | install gentoo :P that'll teach you a bit |
| 05:08.32 | callipygous | or LFS :O |
| 05:10.29 | OC_ZzZZZzZ | I dont think Gentoo is geared for the sub-genius... |
| 05:10.29 | OC_ZzZZZzZ | I like an os with a bit more slack |
| 05:16.55 | apollo | well guys, thanks for the info |
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| 08:14.27 | niktaris | hi all |
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| 08:57.52 | niktaris | svenl as I said 5 minitus :) |
| 09:00.22 | svenl | niktaris: :) |
| 09:00.22 | svenl | sorry, didn't think about that. |
| 09:05.19 | niktaris | I forgive you. |
| 09:05.20 | niktaris | :) |
| 09:07.28 | svenl | tell me how it works. |
| 09:07.38 | svenl | you mostly use the debian kernel-source and .config, right ? |
| 09:09.28 | niktaris | the debian source I am sure about. Almost sure about the config |
| 09:09.35 | niktaris | used so many.... |
| 09:09.36 | niktaris | :) |
| 09:10.25 | niktaris | I will tell you as soon as I get home |
| 09:11.52 | svenl | ok. |
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| 10:22.47 | niktaris | what's the status of ppc and terminalserver? |
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| 10:28.33 | svenl | niktaris: rdesktop stuff ? |
| 10:28.44 | svenl | niktaris: i used it in gnome, worked, but some time ago. |
| 10:29.16 | svenl | niktaris: using tsclient. |
| 10:29.34 | svenl | but i redid my windows install on the amd64 box, and since then i was not able to test it again. |
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| 10:47.59 | niktaris | svenl windows? :) |
| 10:49.12 | grivell | Anyone know how to go to the "next page" with blootbot's listkeys? |
| 10:49.48 | grivell | I was trying to point a person in the "emulate 2,3 button mouse", so I listkeys mouse, and it stops at like 19. |
| 10:49.50 | svenl | niktaris: supposedly the rdesktop stuff is to run a windows terminal client or something such. |
| 11:02.52 | niktaris | svenl btw why does 2.6.10 need clamfs? is that an ppc thing or has someting changed? |
| 11:08.03 | niktaris | cramfs |
| 11:10.49 | grivell | Any idea when 2.6.11 hits Sid? (using Linus's right now). Love the iBook suspend too much. |
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| 11:14.55 | svenl | grivell: i am working on it, you can already build out of SVN if you like. |
| 11:15.11 | svenl | niktaris: it is better than ext2. and since we build ext2 modular ... |
| 11:15.23 | grivell | There is a SVN of Debian kernel? |
| 11:15.33 | svenl | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/trunk/kernel |
| 11:15.53 | svenl | grivell: you need first to build kernel-source, and then kernel-patch-powerpc |
| 11:15.54 | grivell | Alright! Now we cooking with gas! |
| 11:16.02 | niktaris | svenl .11 mutch better than .10 ? |
| 11:16.06 | svenl | grivell: i am still working on it. |
| 11:16.22 | svenl | niktaris: well, the marvell gige support will be better once it is working. |
| 11:16.31 | grivell | niktaris: Yeah for me it is. Has iBook sleep support |
| 11:16.45 | svenl | niktaris: don't know about the rest, but it is probably better in the long run, sicne we will drop 2.6.10 in sid soonishly. |
| 11:17.07 | niktaris | pitty I don;t own a mac. I could do some tests |
| 11:17.46 | grivell | Get a MacMini ;) But sound doesn't work. |
| 11:17.58 | grivell | So you would need SB Extigy or other USB sound. |
| 11:18.55 | niktaris | grivell I already have 4 pc's at home My wife will deforce me :) |
| 11:20.07 | niktaris | devorce |
| 11:20.14 | grivell | lol |
| 11:20.44 | grivell | Yeah, I was told "Do you need another laptop/computer for the next 2 years? Contain yourself" |
| 11:20.58 | simonrvn | divorce |
| 11:21.30 | grivell | So I "hope" this laptop lasts 2 years ;) And Apple doesn't release a G5 anytime soon. |
| 11:21.36 | niktaris | simonrvn I don't know the word that good. Thanks god.... :) |
| 11:21.59 | grivell | niktaris: Gaim has spell checker, but that doesn't stop me. |
| 11:36.13 | mirak | hi |
| 11:36.44 | mirak | if I want to upgrade my hard drive, can I just do a dd /dev/hdx on the other drive, and then resize after ? |
| 11:37.10 | mirak | or is there some info about the drive size in the partition info |
| 11:40.14 | grivell | mirak: parted resizes. But never did it that way. |
| 11:41.20 | grivell | I basically use a USB hd to copy /etc and $HOMEs to. Then I 'dpkg --get-selections > selections.txt' |
| 11:42.20 | grivell | Then install base on other HD, copy over the /etc and $HOMEs, and 'dpkg --set-selections < selections.txt'. Then 'apt-get dselect-upgrade' |
| 11:42.52 | grivell | This is being copied from the MacMini page :) |
| 11:43.05 | grivell | But it is along the lines of how I manage it. |
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| 13:31.33 | OC_ZzZZZzZ | is there a current debian live cd (besides Ubuntu)? |
| 13:34.41 | OmniColos | btw there is a nice kubuntu (KDE) here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/ |
| 13:35.48 | simonrvn | ubuntu != debian |
| 13:46.35 | grivell | ubuntu = 0.5*Debian |
| 14:11.45 | OmniColos | ok then point me to a nice debian live cd to see for meself ;) |
| 14:16.33 | OmniColos | la la la la... |
| 14:17.46 | OmniColos | I'll check back later... |
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| 17:16.50 | dj-death | could someone explain me how to bind a kernel ethernet module (like sungem) to a specified interface |
| 17:17.04 | dj-death | I'm using /etc/modules.conf |
| 17:17.18 | dj-death | doing alias eth0 sungem does not make anything |
| 17:17.33 | dj-death | sungem module is always loaded as eth1 |
| 17:17.51 | dj-death | and I have no other module using eth0 |
| 17:18.35 | dj-death | ooh fuck |
| 17:18.39 | dj-death | there is one |
| 17:18.41 | dj-death | eth1394 |
| 17:20.30 | jk3 | hmm. I never used that and don't know anybody who did |
| 17:20.31 | dj-death | so there is no problem ;) |
| 17:21.03 | dj-death | I wonder if it's possible to do ethernet networking with firewire |
| 17:22.39 | jk3 | that's what it good for. you could connect two computer with a firewire interface that way. but everybody uses ethernet over the rj45 port |
| 17:22.50 | jk3 | or so I've been told... |
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| 18:19.12 | dotsony | i've used a recent debian-powerpc testng netinstall cd to install a base system onto the an ide drive in a blue and white g3. The installed kernel hangs after loading usb_ohci, and I can't finish the installation. What should I do? |
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| 18:19.30 | strat50s | hi |
| 18:19.34 | dotsony | the kernel version is 2.6.8 |
| 18:20.17 | dotsony | can I supress certain modules? or is usb support built in? or what |
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| 20:56.26 | niktaris | hi all |
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| 21:06.27 | andun | dotsony: USB support is not built in, so you can boot in single-user mode and remove usb from whatever it is that's loading them |
| 21:06.33 | andun | s/them/it/ |
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| 21:55.32 | Entity | Hello, it seems I'm unable to find the proper HorizSync/VertRefresh settings for my powerbook G4 17" ... someone has an idea? |
| 21:55.59 | dj-death | DPMS ? |
| 21:58.03 | Entity | dj-death: Option "dpms" is present |
| 21:58.18 | dj-death | hmmm I dont know |
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| 22:49.11 | Nero | Abend |
| 22:50.11 | Nero | kennt sich jemand mit der installation von Xorg unter Debian Linux aus ? |
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