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| 01:37.59 | gobbles | anyone know how to get the ppc kernel to load a promise ultra ata 100 module ? |
| 01:47.59 | gobbles | hey simon is powerpc the same as pmac in terms of kernels source from apt-get ? |
| 01:52.31 | pahartik | gobbles: kernel-source package is universal... |
| 01:57.52 | gobbles | look i want 2.6 kernel buils and source |
| 01:58.11 | gobbles | is the build pkg labled powerpc for pmac or not |
| 01:58.17 | gobbles | build* |
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| 02:03.23 | pahartik | gobbles: neither |
| 02:06.26 | pahartik | gobbles: "apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.10" |
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| 02:58.36 | gobbles | im not going to say this again |
| 02:58.45 | gobbles | I DONT WANT THE GOD DAMN SOURCE |
| 02:58.56 | gobbles | I WANT THE KERNEL BUILD |
| 02:59.15 | gobbles | IS POWERPC THE SAME AS PMAC YES OR NO |
| 03:02.49 | gobbles | Linux debian 2.4.27-powerpc #1 jeu mar 3 19:51:40 CET 2005 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 03:03.29 | gobbles | and if powerpc isnt for pmac...what is it for |
| 03:03.45 | gobbles | cause thats what my pmac is running right now |
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| 03:23.26 | Sam-I-Am | moo |
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| 04:34.09 | knife | anyone here know what happened to the nubus-pmac team (http://nubus-pmac.sf.net), these were the folks porting Linux 2.4 to nubus powermacs |
| 04:40.34 | myXtie | I know the mailing list closed ( ask EB=sourdough about that ) and then I could not tell you except I know a few got other powerpc machines ( newer ) so it was not sudden except the mailing list was sudden |
| 04:40.52 | myXtie | There is a new list as I am sure you know |
| 04:41.31 | knife | yeah, im subscribed to it, only gotten like 1 message in the past week |
| 04:42.22 | myXtie | plus many think nubus is pita but I have a perfoma 6116 ( w/ 601 ) and it runs all the time |
| 04:42.38 | knife | yeah, i have the same machine running debian right now |
| 04:42.56 | knife | for 60Mhz, its faster than id have expected |
| 04:43.45 | knife | have you Linux on a powerbook 1400 at all? |
| 04:44.23 | myXtie | no, just a cube and 6116 |
| 04:45.06 | knife | ah, im trying to find someone that can help me get pcmcia functioning, no luck yet though :( |
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| 07:44.47 | gotomium | should debian-ppc64 be pure64? or biarch? |
| 07:45.32 | gotomium | at least debian-powerpc discussion said it should be biarch. |
| 07:53.04 | incubii | ppc64 should be pure64 |
| 07:53.17 | incubii | squeeze all the performance out of it |
| 07:56.56 | gotomium | it's easier to support biarch with glibc. |
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| 08:12.55 | gobbles | anyone home |
| 08:24.25 | gobbles | i want to download the kernel config for my pmac through apt but i dont see pmac in the name. is the one for powerpc for pmac ? |
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| 08:32.59 | Bor_Ed | -powerpc if you have ppc32, -power4 if ppc64 |
| 08:34.15 | gobbles | i have a zif style 266 mhz g2 |
| 08:34.24 | gobbles | would that be 32 ? |
| 08:34.29 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 08:34.41 | gobbles | su |
| 08:34.48 | gobbles | thanks ed |
| 08:34.51 | Bor_Ed | np |
| 08:35.42 | gobbles | so i can just get the "kernel-build off apt.. and that has the .config file i need ...and with fresh source it will give me a correct compile...right ? |
| 08:36.15 | Bor_Ed | you have the .config on /boot too |
| 08:36.27 | Bor_Ed | (from installer kernels) |
| 08:37.21 | gobbles | will that work with 2.6 if the installer kernel was 2.20 ? |
| 08:42.39 | Bor_Ed | umm, nope, not with same config at least |
| 08:43.46 | gobbles | thats what i thought |
| 08:43.58 | gobbles | so i do need the kernel build for 2.6 |
| 08:49.06 | Bor_Ed | why don't you just use the stock kernel ? |
| 08:51.15 | gobbles | i need support for an promise ata 100 pci card and it doesnt seem to be in the stock |
| 08:54.02 | gobbles | the kernel conf from 2.4.27 wont work either right |
| 08:54.50 | gobbles | or do you think i should just go with the 2.4.27 source and compile the support i need since i have its conf |
| 08:56.04 | Bor_Ed | get latest 2.4 source tree, you can probably use the 2.4.27 config for it |
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| 09:00.45 | gobbles | i found the 2.4.27 tree |
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| 10:18.01 | Bor_Ed | what package has mkfs.vfat ? |
| 10:21.57 | dj-death | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.57 | dj-death | dosfstools: sbin/mkfs.vfat |
| 10:22.16 | Bor_Ed | yea, found... now the buggr whines about missing codepage |
| 10:22.25 | Bor_Ed | FAT: codepage cp850 not found |
| 10:23.23 | Bor_Ed | buggr getting usb mp3 player to work is friggin pain |
| 10:25.43 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: "find /lib/modules/$(uname --release)/ | grep cp850" |
| 10:26.08 | Bor_Ed | none found |
| 10:26.25 | Bor_Ed | can I force the mount command to use nls_iso8859-15.ko instead ? |
| 10:28.19 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: "codepage" != "iocharset" |
| 10:28.29 | Bor_Ed | yea, I know |
| 10:28.40 | Bor_Ed | hmm,maybe I can pull the trick with msdosfs |
| 10:28.51 | Bor_Ed | vfat pukes to the mount |
| 10:29.34 | Bor_Ed | missing codepage again :o |
| 10:32.55 | Bor_Ed | hmm, got to try with deb built 2.6.10 |
| 10:33.43 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: "grep '\(NLS\)\|\(FAT\)' /boot/config-$(uname --release)" |
| 10:34.31 | Bor_Ed | # CONFIG_VFAT_FS is not set |
| 10:34.51 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I only did make modules and make modules_install after adding M$ fs support |
| 10:35.50 | Bor_Ed | oh well, 10 mins and I have deb kernel |
| 10:36.06 | drwarp | someone experencied iPod and gtkpod? :o |
| 10:36.14 | Bor_Ed | I wish |
| 10:36.23 | Bor_Ed | just got buggr creative nomad muvo |
| 10:37.47 | pahartik | drwarp: not yet... hoping i will manage to get one before they all turn to USB-only crap |
| 10:38.34 | drwarp | pahartik: :) |
| 10:41.48 | Bor_Ed | do the ipods have firewire too ? |
| 10:43.48 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: iPods primarily have FireWire |
| 10:44.36 | Bor_Ed | I see |
| 10:48.37 | pahartik | drwarp: what i have been wondering about is... does iPod play MPEG audio layer 2 content? |
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| 11:07.51 | gobbles | when compiling for ppc does mac use compressed kernels, make bzimage or make zimage ? |
| 11:09.30 | DelTree | afaik, no... |
| 11:09.57 | gobbles | so make zimage right |
| 11:10.00 | gobbles | so make zimage right |
| 11:10.05 | DelTree | no... |
| 11:10.16 | DelTree | iirc I just do "make" |
| 11:10.24 | DelTree | which makes vmlinux |
| 11:10.27 | gobbles | wow |
| 11:10.48 | gobbles | sorry my PC was showing |
| 11:10.49 | al_ | i make-kpkg. |
| 11:11.12 | DelTree | if I understand correctly... the ppc kernel is simply an ELF binary that the openfirmware runs... |
| 11:11.19 | DelTree | (for newworld that is) |
| 11:14.34 | gobbles | im on oldworld |
| 11:14.46 | gobbles | but make install after make right ? |
| 11:15.14 | DelTree | I manually copy vmlinux to /boot... but that's my dinosaur-like behaviour... :) |
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| 11:17.49 | gobbles | doesnt install cp the mods too |
| 11:18.27 | al_ | make-kpkg. |
| 11:19.58 | DelTree | make modules_install |
| 11:20.05 | DelTree | ^_^ |
| 11:23.25 | gobbles | oh ya thanks |
| 11:23.30 | gobbles | been a while |
| 11:23.36 | gobbles | and my pc is showing |
| 11:23.42 | gobbles | :) |
| 11:29.24 | simonrvn | DelTree: um, no. the bootloader runs it, just like newworld. you're thinking of rs* machines |
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| 11:30.33 | gobbles | hi simon :savior of us all |
| 11:30.40 | DelTree | simonrvn: is the bootloader necessary for anything else than choosing between different kernels ? |
| 11:31.12 | simonrvn | uh, yeh |
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| 11:32.09 | simonrvn | there's one! shoot it now! shoot it now! |
| 11:32.30 | gobbles | ! |
| 11:35.02 | gobbles | mount hda |
| 11:36.35 | gobbles | wrong screen |
| 11:37.04 | gobbles | ok dumb question but...how does one display pictures from cli ? |
| 11:43.06 | simonrvn | fbi, access to /dev/fb0 |
| 11:43.19 | simonrvn | you mean console? |
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| 11:47.39 | ukh | This weekend I became a happy owner of two Blue&White G3:s and installed Debian on them. Although most everything is really smooth, is there such a thing as a debian-powerpc FAQ? |
| 11:48.46 | gobbles | ya its calles simonrvn |
| 11:48.52 | gobbles | called* |
| 11:49.17 | ukh | in particular known 2.6 issues on newworld macs |
| 11:49.50 | gobbles | well the worst that could happen is you ask, and we dont answer |
| 11:49.54 | gobbles | so shoot |
| 11:50.38 | ukh | well, I get a zillion messages from the Lynx firewire stuff on booting, for instance |
| 11:51.03 | ukh | so many, that I loose much of the dmesg output, which is annoying |
| 11:52.02 | simonrvn | /var/log/dmesg is the original without the garbage |
| 11:52.21 | gobbles | see i told you he was god |
| 11:52.26 | gobbles | incarnate |
| 11:52.33 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 11:52.50 | simonrvn | please, don't |
| 11:52.58 | ukh | I get so many that the dmesg buffer is filled before it gets a chanse to go to /var/log/dmesg |
| 11:53.23 | simonrvn | did you bother looking at /var/log/dmesg? |
| 11:54.14 | ukh | I really don't need firewire, and will probably just remove it from my kernel at next rebuild, but if there's an easy and known workaround... |
| 11:54.21 | ukh | simonrvn: yes |
| 11:55.19 | ukh | ...thus basically, a FAQ would be nice before I start asking oddball questions here :-) |
| 11:55.33 | simonrvn | yes, workaround is to disable it =). you don't need it, and i'm guessing it's probably warnings that it can't find any fw devices |
| 11:56.28 | gobbles | modconf |
| 11:56.30 | gobbles | ? |
| 11:56.39 | simonrvn | sure, if you want |
| 11:57.05 | gobbles | try nano mang |
| 11:57.12 | gobbles | oops wrong windo |
| 11:58.33 | ukh | another one: somewhere I read that _all_ Apple PowerMacs had some oddball MESH SCSI chipset. Is that true? (I cannot find any "extra" SCSI connectors on my mobo) |
| 11:59.26 | gobbles | if they all use it...is it really an oddball ? |
| 12:00.13 | ukh | odd, because I get no sensible output in /proc/scsi for the mesh, and - if it's there, _where_ is it? |
| 12:00.44 | simonrvn | depends on the machine |
| 12:02.54 | ukh | also, I apparently have _two_ IDE chipsets in the box. On Apple speziale and one CMD646. Does the Apple speziale one support master/slave configurations? (I'd like to move the Zip drive and CDROM to the Apple one) |
| 12:03.01 | ukh | s/On/One/ |
| 12:04.20 | simonrvn | rev a or b B&W? |
| 12:04.39 | Q-FUNK | they don't all have MESH. |
| 12:05.01 | Q-FUNK | only SCSI hardware has that AFAIK. |
| 12:05.01 | ukh | simonrvn: don't know, sorry. 400Mhz, SCSI on separate Adaptec card |
| 12:05.16 | gobbles | bbl |
| 12:05.43 | simonrvn | chances are that's a rev a, often they got a scsi card to offset the fact the ide bus (can't remember which one) could only handle one device |
| 12:06.27 | ukh | simonrvn: that would make sense, yes |
| 12:09.19 | ukh | other than that... whoever's doing the sarge d-i images: it worked out of the box with no hitches, when I eventually managed to upgrade the firmware (which took awhile, not being a MacOS expert) |
| 12:10.28 | simonrvn | you can go thank the folks in #debian-boot then =) |
| 12:18.04 | knife | how come the Debian CD's arent bootable on oldworld Macs? |
| 12:18.16 | simonrvn | because |
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| 14:02.15 | Curalton | now i did dpkg --set-selections < dpgk--get-selections.file to rebuild a system. how do i actually install these now? |
| 14:02.36 | simonrvn | run dselect |
| 14:03.12 | Curalton | ah, awful tool. ok :s |
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| 14:04.54 | al_ | (i'd use apt-get upgrade) |
| 14:05.12 | al_ | mmh, dist-upgrade. |
| 14:05.34 | Curalton | no, that doesnt catch the settings i set via dpkg |
| 14:06.03 | Curalton | this is reconstruction a rootserver whos HD crashed |
| 14:07.36 | simonrvn | you run the select, install bits... |
| 14:07.58 | simonrvn | if apt-get, i'd run dselect-upgrade |
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| 14:12.41 | Curalton | ah, yes i searched that apt option, ty |
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| 16:45.07 | grivell | Oh yeah! Mac Mini sound is working for me now :) |
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| 18:14.33 | svenl | mmm, how was that command again to boot my ibook in firewire target mode ? |
| 18:15.04 | thebug | something like cmd-T or cmd-F, I don't remember |
| 18:15.09 | thebug | 1/2 second |
| 18:15.33 | thebug | yep, just hold down T |
| 18:16.18 | thebug | http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Hardware/Developer_Notes/Macintosh_CPUs-G3/ibookMay02/1_Introduction/Target_Disk_Mode_.html |
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| 18:20.18 | Pakal | all the PowerPC packages are compiled for 64 bits? |
| 18:20.37 | mooch | Pakal: i think 32 |
| 18:20.41 | simonrvn | no. they will run however |
| 18:21.14 | Pakal | I get a G5 Dual processor |
| 18:21.23 | Pakal | need I a SMP kernel? |
| 18:21.27 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:21.52 | mooch | great! 54g with usb and zd1211 |
| 18:22.04 | simonrvn | it'll run with one anyway untill you get a smp one installed (if not done already by the installer) |
| 18:22.05 | mooch | anyone tried the edimax one with ppc? |
| 18:22.33 | Pakal | if I install 32 bit packages I lost velocity? |
| 18:22.35 | Pakal | speed? |
| 18:23.03 | Pakal | sorry, the english is not my forte |
| 18:23.12 | simonrvn | probably not noticable :P |
| 18:23.30 | Pakal | ok, thanks |
| 18:23.44 | mooch | Pakal: if the app/algo is not optimised, there is not noticeable speed gain |
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| 18:42.54 | pahartik | simonrvn: do you think "http://zazu.vip.fi/~pahartik/problem-report/2005-03-14/wakeup-log" is serious? |
| 18:43.48 | simonrvn | yeh, it's an oops |
| 18:44.17 | simonrvn | SEGV to be precise |
| 18:44.23 | simonrvn | Oops: kernel access of bad area, sig: 11 [#1] |
| 18:44.27 | pahartik | simonrvn: but system is still up... |
| 18:44.37 | simonrvn | yes. happens |
| 18:45.24 | simonrvn | meaning that either the kernel or the app have a bug (usually the latter triggered one in the former). sometimes it's just the kernel |
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