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00:04.49rene_hi
00:05.47rene_Kann man sich unter gnome den bootvorgang irgendie anzeigen lassen, also was alles geladen wurde? Bekomme beim starten von X ne menge fehlermeldungen
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00:08.30rene_Schlafen alle?
00:20.47simonrvnum
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00:43.36Stereosimonrvn: you set the topic on the 2nd of march
00:43.41Stereoand a part got cut off
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00:44.20Stereothe fact that I only noticed this now says a lot about the channel, really :)
00:44.27Stereowe should put new news at the front
00:45.17Stereocould I please have privileges to change the topic on chanserv?
00:45.27Stereoand is the xml tutorial in the topic still relevant?
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01:41.16Pakalis possible install sound driver for G5?
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02:14.50david_i've just upgraded from woody to sarge and suddunly the sound on my beige G3 has stopped working. any idea how to get it back?
02:15.58demonis the sound driver loaded? are you using a packaged kernel, or a locally built one?
02:17.02david_packaged kernel
02:17.18david_dont know if sound driver is loaded. what should i be looking for?
02:17.57demonsnd-powermac, dmasound_pmac
02:17.59demonone of the two
02:18.05david_are they modules?
02:18.15demonyeah
02:18.55demonif snd-powermac is loaded, make sure to also load snd-pcm-oss
02:19.09david_tried typing modprobe snd-powermac
02:19.14david_got nothing
02:19.22david_told me it could not locate the module
02:19.41demonare you running a 2.4 kernel or a 2.6 kernel?
02:19.54david_2.4
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02:20.07demonalso, how are you booting the kernel? bootx? quik?
02:20.13david_bootx
02:20.17david_it worked under woody fine
02:20.22grivell2.4 doesn't have snd-powermac
02:20.28demonyeah
02:20.31grivellThat is alsa
02:21.01grivellYou should probably try kernel-image-2.6.8
02:21.14david_pl
02:21.15demondid you copy the new kernel and initrd over to your macos partition?
02:21.15david_ok
02:21.21david_just the kernel
02:21.41david_i booted with the hard disk as root
02:21.43grivellI really don't see the advantages of 2.4.  2.6 is as stable (in Debian) as 2.4 is imo.
02:23.53david_is 2.6 in sarge?
02:24.07david_doesnt seem to be anywhere in dselect
02:24.24demonyeah, kernel-image-2.6.8-powerpc
02:25.16david_ok
02:25.30david_and snd-powermac is in that?
02:25.33demonyeah
02:26.06david_excellent
02:26.07david_:-D
02:26.24david_you're ever so useful, thank you
02:29.42grivellWe are useful tools.
02:30.06grivellI would be more useful if my Pistons weren't in a close game with Hawks :)
02:31.55david_merkin sports
02:31.56david_muh
02:31.59david_cheers anyway
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02:48.06snooohi again
02:48.20snooomore probs im afraid
02:49.19snooonow the inbuilt ethernet doesnt seem to be working
02:49.24snoooafter i've upgraded to 2.6
02:51.27snooowhat could the problem be?
02:54.22grivellRenamed ethernet driver?
02:54.33grivellWhat is your ethernet ?   lspci -v
02:54.39grivelllspci -v | less
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02:55.42snoooHeathrow Mac
02:55.48snoooif that means anything
02:58.53grivellI would suggest apt-get install hotplug
02:59.06grivellThat will auto load modules for your hardware.
02:59.09snoooi'd do that if i had net access
02:59.11snooo:-D
02:59.21snoooi've just tried modprobe bmac
02:59.48grivellPerhaps sungem
03:00.01snoooi think it can see the ethernet card now
03:00.07grivellk
03:00.07snooobut i still have no dns or anything
03:00.19grivellifup eth0
03:00.44snoooin business :-D
03:00.57grivellapt-get install hotplug
03:01.03grivellIt makes life a little easier hehe
03:01.42snooothis will boot up the necessary drivers without my intervention?
03:02.18snooofor sound as well?
03:05.53grivellyep
03:06.12grivellOvertime!
03:06.21snoooright
03:06.22snoooit didnt
03:06.29snoooi know what modules i need though
03:06.37snooowhat config file do i need to edit to get them to load each time
03:06.42snoooi boot
03:06.50grivellDid you reboot?  Even if you didn't, you can /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
03:06.57snoooi did
03:09.12snooogot it
03:09.23snoooedited /etc/modules
03:09.34grivellcool
03:09.54snooosorry for the hassle
03:10.09grivellnp
03:10.19snoooand taking u away from your game and all
03:10.23grivellnot hassle, I'm only half paying attention to laptop hehe
03:10.41grivellWireless / laptop / HDTV = pure joy.
03:13.56snooobig TV?
03:14.07grivell55"
03:15.17snoooplasma?
03:15.47snooook
03:15.53snoooanother problem
03:15.57snoooonly root can output sound
03:16.09snooothis is a permission problem, right?
03:22.25grivellAdd yourself to sound or audio group
03:22.40grivellcdrom floppy audio video games users
03:22.47grivellThose are the groups I am in
03:25.01snooogot it
03:25.02snooocheers
03:25.42snooonight
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08:43.29gobblesi got a weird problem
08:44.31gobbleswhen i make the boot floppies on my ow mac both the woody and the sarge floopies attempt to boot...then i get a penguin with a red "X" on the screen and it halts
08:44.49gobblesdoes that  mean wrong distro ?
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09:29.34bioterroris anyone in here familiar with B&W G3 macs?
09:29.55bioterrorI'm thinkin to buy one, but there's something about the slave drive
09:30.25bioterror(Rev. 1 mobo)
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09:47.33ukhbioterror: no, I'm no expert at all, but I'm a happy debian user since Sunday running it on B&W G3's
09:47.37ukh:-)
09:51.41gobblesya ill include myself in that list
09:52.36gobblesi have a degree in computer scienc...i gave away my athlon xp 2400+ and only kept my mac g3 b&w
09:52.36gobblespc is bull shit
09:54.25gobblesive been using my mac g3 for about 4 months in debian
10:01.49ukhwell, i've been running debian on i386 since 0.93R6, and also on alpha.  it just was such a pleasant surprise that the B&W G3 installed and was fully supported by the d-i sid image.  It was actually an easier install than Mac OS X.
10:02.53ukh(It turned out that Mac OS X, when it cannot read the CD, silently ignores any errors...)
10:03.39ukhs/sid/sarge-rc2/
10:09.57gobblesgood , help me then
10:10.06gobbleswhen i make the boot floppies on my ow mac both the woody and the sarge floopies attempt to boot...then i get a penguin with a red "X" on the screen and it halts
10:10.13one_2_onehi all
10:10.49one_2_onehow i set permisson to my user (not root) do read osx partition ?
10:11.09one_2_onechmod 755 /dev/hdaX ?
10:11.18one_2_onedont working here
10:11.41gobblessu
10:11.49one_2_one:(
10:12.06gobblesctrl alt F1
10:12.12one_2_onelol
10:12.14gobbleskill -9 -1
10:12.21gobblesexit
10:12.24gobblesroot
10:12.35gobbleschmod 755
10:13.02one_2_oneno
10:13.22one_2_onethe apps doesnt read nothing from osx partition
10:13.36one_2_oneonly  running the apps as root
10:13.41one_2_onethey can read
10:13.50gobblesmodconf as root and add hfs and hfs+ file system types
10:13.59one_2_oneahh
10:13.59one_2_onek
10:14.04one_2_onesry noob here
10:14.11gobblesnp me too
10:14.34one_2_onewhat/where is modconf ? :)
10:14.40al_one_2_one, you should use uid and umask in fstab
10:14.58al_you don't need modconf, if root can read the partition, the modules are already loaded
10:15.43one_2_oneuse uid and umask in fstab  sry and how i do this ?
10:17.09al_http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions look at step 4
10:17.19one_2_onethks
10:17.22ukhone_2_one: dunno, havn't been there yet, but what about setting the uid or umask mount options?  man mount
10:18.18one_2_oneuhm
10:18.19one_2_onek
10:20.46bioterrorukh, do you have rev1 or rev2?
10:21.25ukhbioterror: don't know, how do I tell them apart?
10:22.03bioterrorukh, http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/yosemite/newfeatures.html from there ;)
10:25.49ukhbioterror: well, I don't have my mobo physically at hand right here.  But I'd guess it's a rev 1, since I have an onboard Adaptec SCSI controller for the disk
10:26.16ukhand both IDE controllers are operating without slaves
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10:27.06gobbleswhen i make the boot floppies on my ow mac both the woody and the sarge floopies attempt to boot...then i get a penguin with a red "X" on the screen and it halts
10:27.10ukhZIP drive on CMD646, CDROM on Apple Heathrow
10:30.04bioterrorukh, yes ok ;)
10:31.00bioterrorI'm thinking about buying B&W G3 as for my server
10:31.04bioterrornow I have 8200 :D
10:31.20bioterrorit's too slow for about anything that requires more performance
10:32.13ukhbioterror: well I bought mine just because I wanted a toy with more _space_ than a mini Mac at the fraction of the price...  :-)
10:33.03bioterrorukh, how much did you pay for your?
10:33.26gobblesmine works fine man, i dont game on it of course...but i do watch divx on it
10:33.30ukhapprox 300 euros for _two_ 400MHz 128MB RAM
10:33.32gobblesand its only a 266
10:33.49bioterrorukh, you have dual?! :D
10:33.59ukhbioterror: no, two boxes
10:34.30bioterrorI'm considering to offer ~180e for a 400MHz + 420MB RAM and 6GB drive
10:34.35ukhwith the extra 2 PCI slots, I don't really mind if the internal IDE controllers are crappy
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10:35.55ukhbioterror: the ram is PC100, which might be hard to get hold of, so I think your deal is pretty good.  At least in .se-land
10:36.06bioterrorI'm from finland ;)
10:36.26bioterrorfinland is only northern european country which uses euro
10:37.34ukhbioterror: I live in .se, work in .dk - it's a major pain without euros... ;-o
10:38.23bioterroryes. last summer I was in stockholm and all the time I had to calculate money ;)
10:39.01jaskai cant understand why the swedes wont use euro
10:39.25bioterrorin here all the prices went up when euro came
10:39.44jaskayeah
10:39.46jaskaatleast 20-25%
10:40.04bioterrorthat's just becouse it's smaller prices and older people won't understand it
10:49.08Q-FUNKsame question about UK.
10:49.47bioterrorpound is more valuable than euro %)
10:50.14Q-FUNKLat also is.
10:56.43gobbleswhen i make the boot floppies on my ow mac both the woody and the sarge floopies attempt to boot...then i get a penguin with a red "X" on the screen and it halts
10:57.04gobblesany ideas
10:59.40bioterrorgobbles, try Mac OS + hmm what was that program
11:01.03bioterrorMac OS is pretty big bootloader :D
11:01.55gobblesbootx ?
11:01.58bioterroryes
11:02.09gobblesoh i should mention i dont own osx
11:02.19bioterrorI have OS 9.1
11:02.30bioterrorgot it with the comp :)
11:04.52gobblesthis doesnt make sense, i shouldnt need boot x for a floppy
11:05.54bioterrorI use CD-rom
11:06.05bioterrormakes life easier
11:06.19gobblesow mac doesnt boot cdrom
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11:06.37gobblesit doesnt use yaboot either
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11:08.17bioterrorbut with BootX and ram-disk it's possible to make it work
11:09.08gobblesyou prolly right, but i dont have mockos and i shouldnt need to since i have an identical mac that boots from floppy just fine
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11:51.12lobeznowhen flash in ppc???
11:56.24al_maybe tomorrow, maybe never.
11:57.56lobezno·haha·
12:07.25pahartiklobezno: my built-in iBook G4 Bluetooth adapter was flashed with newer firmware soon after i got it... but i had MacOS X installed and running back then
12:07.45lobeznoI mean macromedia flash
12:07.46lobeznoxD
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12:27.02ukhbioterror: that URL was pretty good - my FireWire problem on the B&W G3 is actually described there... ;-)
12:27.24bioterror:)
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12:32.01ukhbioterror: to summarize: B&W G3 rev.1 FireWire doesn't work.  I wonder about the CMD646 slave issues though, since these are known in i386-land too.  It might be it only affects MacOS-users, not Linux, but I have yet to try it.
12:33.38bioterrorI'm pondering to use OpenBSD with B&W ;)
12:42.09gobblescan anyone help me understand why my boot floppies no longer work, when they test fine on annother b & w mac
13:00.54gobblessimonrvn:  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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13:06.54bioterrorhaha :D
13:08.41jaskarequested by chanserv, lol
13:09.53bioterrorit's so hard and difficult to make an user account and then maybe use sudo :D
13:10.11gobblesit is actualy
13:10.36gobblesif you mistakenly delete your sys-v you cant login as user
13:11.28gobblesits not fair or right to make assumptions about people and events you know nothing about
13:23.53gobbles!apt
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13:49.54simonrvngobbles: su - $user. start a screen session, open a new term, su - $user. "wow, i'm running stuff as another user! weeee"
13:50.44ukhok gurus, what's the difference between a 740 and a 750 cpu?
13:52.59simonrvndo you see gurus? where?
13:53.22simonrvn@tell ukh -about guru
13:53.43jaska@tell jaska -about guru
13:55.05al_@tell al_ -about guru
13:55.15simonrvn/msg
13:55.19jaska:P
13:55.29demon@tell demon -about guru
13:55.32jaskahaha
14:00.50simonrvn:)
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14:02.24ukhI'd better answer myself then.  The 740 lacks L2 cache?
14:03.36ukhlet me correct myself.  the 740 lacks an L2 cache *interface*
14:11.20simonrvngood question. dunno, i think you're right
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16:14.27jc-dentondoes 2.6.11 run stable on ppc?
16:16.21grivellYeah, on here it does.  Only use it for sleep on iBook ;)
16:16.37grivellI would tend to use Debian's kernel-source-2.6.10 if I didn't need sleep
16:29.56jc-dentonah
16:29.57jc-dentonwhy?
16:30.09jc-dentoni thought of setting up grsecurity
16:30.19jc-dentonbut i would need 1.6.11 for that
16:40.29grivellYeah.  2.6.11.3 you should get
16:42.33jc-denton?
16:42.42jc-dentonwhat does *.3 mean?
16:44.17jc-dentonwtf?!
16:44.28jc-dentonthere is already .3 out
16:44.30jc-dentonlol
16:44.36al_new versioning
16:44.48jc-dentonah now it's clear why my *[nothing] didn't work
16:47.47grivelllol.  2.6.11.3 = extra stable kernel.  In theory
16:48.29grivell.nothing didn't work?  Weirdness.
16:48.54jc-dentonno
16:48.58jc-dentonacpi was broken
16:49.04jc-dentonon i686
16:49.09grivellahh, k.  Dell laptop?
16:49.27grivellACPI was fixed in .1 I think ;)
16:50.11grivellI can't get my Dell i5150 to sleep at all.  Any kernel.  I hate Dell.  POS laptops.  They made me go Apple.
16:50.31grivellAfter Apple, I have no idea what I will run.  Unless ATI/NVidia get their acts together.
16:57.57peterrooneymy adb keyboard is dropping events intermittently in X - namely, just stops accepting what I type.   Oddly, the 3-button emulation works just fine.  Switching to a virtual console and back sometimes fixes this, sometimes not.  Running stable, 2.4.27, enlightenment.
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19:54.26gobblessimonrvn:  you here
19:55.09grivellgobbles: You have question?
19:55.44gobbleswhen i make the boot floppies on my ow mac both the woody and the sarge floopies attempt to boot...then i get a penguin with a red "X" on the screen and it halts
19:58.14grivellThis would be a simonrvn question :(  I don't have ow.
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20:35.34robertj^hey all, anyone home? I've got perfectly normal xorg logs but garbled display
20:37.15dj-deathyou're playing with settrans ?
20:49.35robertj^just the defaults for hoary
20:49.55robertj^don't know what settrans is
20:51.16simonrvnrobertj^: we don't support xorg yet.
20:52.01simonrvn#ubuntu can answer you
20:53.12robertj^simonrvn: well not really, but I understand
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20:53.40simonrvnwhen sarge releases (which should be pretty soon, actually), we'll get xorg in sid
20:54.36robertj^yeah, I'm torn on sarge. I love Debian, I love Ubuntu, and I think they have a good relationship. Now it seems there are alot of people who want Debian to be Ubuntu
20:55.43simonrvnsee the recent debian-devel-announce posts on the issue (sarge release). yeh, i know. rather annoying. 2 different distros, just so happens that some DDs also work on ubuntu
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21:01.56robertj^simonrvn: Ubuntu really shouldn't be needed, hopefully in a few years it can just go away.
21:02.25simonrvnit just might, i have no clue how long the sponsor plans on supporting it
21:04.25robertj^Simon: yeah, I'd have to say he's getting a lot for his money, if he is a spendthrift I suppose it could go on ad-infinitum
21:04.44robertj^it would be nice to have a non-profit sugar-daddy-fund set up for community hackers
21:04.59simonrvnyeh, a whole linux distro for probably not that much (for a corp.)
21:05.28simonrvnrobertj^: quite. a lot of them don't always have $$ or a job (say, in-between, or remnants of the dot-com crash)
21:10.47robertj^it really pains me to see people posting up on planet gnome syaing that they are getting an out-of-field job they don't like
21:14.06robertj^but some people just are too complacent. I've got a guy here who works 40 hours a week at half-my wage with 8 years of experience vs my 0 years. He won't leave.
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21:14.48simonrvnwhoah
21:14.50robertj^He's tall, likable, technically knowledgable, and has a masters but he won't go.
21:15.05simonrvngetting exploited, basically
21:15.21robertj^Well I don't know if it can really be exploitation
21:15.40robertj^I'm fresh out of college with an out-of-field degree and am on site 30ish hours a week with 15-20 hours of work.
21:16.09robertj^I spend my time studying foreign languages and building up my resume so I can find a part-time job that will put me through school.
21:16.31simonrvn*nods*
21:16.41robertj^Chances are pretty good I'll be able to take my "Specialist" title and find a decent paying job at Oxford (if I can get myself accepted)
21:16.55robertj^From personal experience, it's very nice to have an over-qualified lackey ;)
21:18.03simonrvnheh
21:18.49Q-FUNKrobertj^: and where is that miraculous place?
21:18.51robertj^that's the only problem with working some place where there is no work to do. "Do you work hard? No, not really."
21:36.55gobblessimonrvn:  you here
21:37.02gobbleswhen i make the boot floppies on my ow mac both the woody and the sarge floopies attempt to boot...then i get a penguin with a red "X" on the screen and it halts
21:37.07simonrvnyes, but busy ATM
21:37.21gobblesok msg me when you available
21:45.48robertj^Q-FUNK: University of Georgia
21:47.44Q-FUNKah, southern caucausus.  hmm
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22:00.33bioterrormoi piru :)
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22:58.54simonrvngobbles: BTW, you *can* ask someone else...
22:59.58gobblesi have asked for 36 hours
23:01.00simonrvnfirst time i've seen it
23:02.09gobblesbioterror answered that i should install mock os, then ubk but his reply7 was talk to simon
23:02.29bioterror:D
23:02.34simonrvnok, so shoot. wassup?
23:03.34gobbleswell i have this second mac, ow with its monitor attached. says g3 on it and its a 233mhz.  it has of v.2.01f on it just like the one im typing to you on now
23:04.10simonrvnyeh
23:04.27gobblesthe floppies i make (that worked on this mac g3) attempt to boot and hang.  they show a penguin with a big red x across him
23:04.37simonrvnwhat do you mean "attached"? all-in-one thingy?
23:04.46gobblesyes all in one
23:04.51gobbleswith a clear top
23:04.57simonrvnah, you need to re-do the floppy/ies, that's all
23:05.03gobblesbut it is beige
23:05.10simonrvnyes..
23:05.46gobblesre-do...you mean dd of=/devfd0 if=image.name ?
23:06.00simonrvnon a new floppy
23:06.07simonrvnor known good
23:06.21gobblesya see ive formatted them, and used other flop[pies, same result
23:06.27simonrvnthose drives are rather picky, esp. when you interface with them at a low level
23:06.40simonrvnmake sure it's clean too (the drive)
23:07.08gobblesok so its definately floppies or dirty drive ?
23:07.39simonrvnusually
23:08.07gobblesnow it wont boot em
23:08.26gobblesbut hey dig this ..this mac still boots those same floppies
23:08.40gobblesdirty drive?
23:09.01gobblesalso is it possible its some strange architecture..like chrp ?
23:09.20simonrvnit is not chrp
23:09.31simonrvnit's a mix of chrp and prep actually
23:11.41gobblesshould i try other kernels if they still fail ?
23:12.44simonrvnno. powermac/powerpc is what you want. other than that, sure
23:12.44gobblesps.  thank you in advance
23:13.31gobblesok off for floppies cotton swabs and alcahol
23:13.58bioterrorhmm... alcohol :D
23:14.07bioterrorto the fridge! ;D
23:14.10gobblesi got mikes
23:15.33bioterrorthat wasn't so good
23:15.58bioterrorI stopped drinking beer. so I have to drink something else like alcohol with 40% :D
23:16.12gobblesscotch
23:16.32gobblessingle malt acotch
23:16.41bioterroryes
23:16.45gobblesscotch*
23:16.49bioterrorlast time I had Four Roses :D
23:17.10gobblesi kinda like dewars and glenlivit
23:17.26bioterrorall the money I could spent on 12++ years old whiskey I put on Macs now :(
23:17.55bioterrortoday I'm going to call about the B&W G3. It'll going to cost 200e
23:17.55gobblesthey are some megge cool machines...as long as they got linux on em
23:18.15bioterrorI'm still thinking about OpenBSD
23:18.23simonrvnyeh, mac os 9 doesn't do them justice
23:18.27gobblesthey suck ass with osx and mock os though
23:18.51simonrvni was amazed at the speed of them under linux, first time i tried it.
23:18.57bioterrornow I'm using Mac OS X as my primary desktop and there's 8200/120MHz with Debian ;)
23:19.09gobblesim just curious if an ow mac would boot a linux cd if it was in hfs+
23:19.29simonrvnthey've gotten faster too, with 2.6. 2.6 schedulers kick ass
23:20.13gobblesi hear that as an invite to experiment with a 2.6x compile
23:20.36simonrvngobbles: well, part of the idea of getting OWs to boot a linux CD would be to have a small partition that's HFS+, or at least that's my take on it. plus, you'd have to have a reverse-engineered blob on them to interact with the MacROM, and OF
23:20.50simonrvn..or HFS..
23:21.00simonrvn(probably be HFS)
23:21.19gobblesya i actualy mounted a mock os 8 cd
23:21.30gobblesi was super impressed with myself
23:21.42simonrvnyeh, you can fetch the required thingy from a bootable mac os cd.
23:22.32simonrvnbut, the thing isn't Free, or DFSG-free, so that's why you have to reverse engineer it, so you *can* use it without any licence encumbrances
23:22.58simonrvnthe debian-boot list archives have some of this in more detail
23:23.09gobblesi see
23:23.16simonrvnum, try from last year, i *think* around october or so
23:23.26simonrvnlook for "non-free blobs" or such, or before that
23:24.57gobblesok
23:28.29bioterrorI have 400MB HFS+ partition where's Mac OS 9.1 and I run Linux from it with BootX
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23:31.23wlinstalling debian on a new powerbook doesn't work... the primary hd isn't writable, any suggestions?
23:32.44Curaltongot an up-to-date installcd? i.e. sarge at least?
23:33.14wltried 30r4
23:33.54Curalton3.0 is woody. too old :)
23:34.01wlhm
23:35.15wlok I'll try
23:35.15Curaltondid you install debian before? i *hear* lots of praises ubuntu which is built on the latest debian, see http://releases.ubuntu.com/
23:35.17wlthx
23:35.45bioterrorubuntu is like Mac OS X. there's no root?
23:35.59Curaltonerr, root is disabled, yes
23:36.16bioterrorsudo bash :D
23:36.17Curaltonsudo passwd root and its unlocked
23:36.42bioterrorbasically I don't see no use for root
23:36.48Curaltonwl: and if you succeed and are more often on irc join us 3 idlers in #debianppc.de ;)
23:36.59Curaltonon a desktop pc, yeh
23:37.41bioterrorwell on Unix-based systems they usually prefers sudo more than root. root is just for the things right after installation and then comes sudo
23:44.21Curaltonon my server i usually have a rootshell open

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