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| 00:21.17 | gobbles | finaly got the mac booted, but this one is ide only |
| 00:21.19 | gobbles | any way around having it only boot to scsi...i dont have any scsi drives |
| 00:25.12 | simonrvn | um, need a scsi drive to boot from scsi... |
| 00:27.18 | gobbles | what if i want to boot ide |
| 00:29.13 | simonrvn | a hard time |
| 00:29.46 | gobbles | hard or impossible |
| 00:30.00 | simonrvn | close to the latter on a lot of those |
| 00:31.39 | gobbles | see quik is telling me it has to be installed to the first hard drive |
| 00:32.02 | simonrvn | has to be installed to whichever driver you're going to be booting from |
| 00:32.07 | simonrvn | drive* |
| 00:32.29 | gobbles | but the ide is the only hard drive, so couldnt i simply disable the mesh cont |
| 00:33.00 | simonrvn | it's not a matter of disabling it. and no you can't. just won't be used if there's nothing on it |
| 00:33.23 | simonrvn | stop thinking this is an x86. that'll help |
| 00:33.35 | gobbles | linux detects it and assigns names to non existent mesh drices |
| 00:34.03 | simonrvn | why would it? does dmesg show and sdfoo there? it shouldn't if there's no device there |
| 00:34.45 | gobbles | well thats the only sense i can make from it, why else would quik thik it was a secondary drive |
| 00:35.54 | gobbles | for example, this system see's the cdrom as sda1 |
| 00:36.28 | simonrvn | check your settings; check what drives you installed it to; also it could be confused, which means you need to move the *.b files - at least until it's sorted out. if it isn't that, then triple-check your settings - i mean OF, conf, and anything else. i had that a couple of times. |
| 00:36.38 | simonrvn | what quik version again, sarge's? |
| 00:37.11 | gobbles | no i have to use woody 3 and upgrade |
| 00:37.26 | simonrvn | please translate |
| 00:37.38 | gobbles | no its woody |
| 00:37.51 | gobbles | current is 3.01...im using 3 |
| 00:37.59 | simonrvn | woody's is a PITA |
| 00:38.24 | gobbles | cool i can make a gyro |
| 00:38.27 | gobbles | wahoo! |
| 00:38.46 | simonrvn | yummy |
| 00:39.03 | gobbles | whats a PITA |
| 00:39.43 | simonrvn | @pita |
| 00:39.43 | ravenbird | i heard pita is pain in the ass, or whats usually for supper :) |
| 00:40.01 | simonrvn | @pita =~ s/whats/what's/ |
| 00:40.02 | ravenbird | simonrvn: OK |
| 00:40.17 | gobbles | ya but sarge doesnt have an hfs boot image |
| 00:40.26 | simonrvn | yes it does |
| 00:40.37 | simonrvn | @sarge install guide |
| 00:40.38 | ravenbird | go see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for the install guide. http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.powerpc/index.html |
| 00:40.42 | gobbles | can i simply use the woody hfs kernel with the sarge boot img ? |
| 00:41.12 | simonrvn | wha? |
| 00:41.15 | fluffy_wolf | pitas are good with a kamikaze hot chicken vindaloo. :) |
| 00:41.21 | simonrvn | mmm |
| 00:41.28 | simonrvn | you folks are making me drool |
| 00:42.03 | fluffy_wolf | lol |
| 00:42.05 | gobbles | ive been over the debian web site over and over, anf hever founf sarge hfs but ill look |
| 00:42.57 | simonrvn | boot.bin and root.bin. not obvious enough? :) |
| 00:43.24 | simonrvn | you'll need a *-drivers.img too (pick the net one if you don't have a cd) |
| 00:44.18 | gobbles | ya obvious |
| 00:44.23 | gobbles | new box of floppies |
| 00:44.26 | gobbles | dont boot |
| 00:44.33 | gobbles | its not hfs |
| 00:44.50 | simonrvn | go for sarge. they work at least. cat foo.img > /dev/fd0 |
| 00:44.51 | gobbles | the one in the woody dir is, and boote fine |
| 00:45.36 | flowtech | simonrvn you can't just cat them to to floppy. gotta use dd |
| 00:46.03 | gobbles | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.17 | gobbles | see not boot and root |
| 00:46.18 | simonrvn | flowtech: bs |
| 00:46.38 | fluffy_wolf | flowtech: why? |
| 00:47.04 | simonrvn | *sarge* has boot.bin and root.bin... |
| 00:47.13 | flowtech | to write it sector by sector. |
| 00:47.29 | flowtech | or does cat do the job too? |
| 00:47.35 | simonrvn | bs. if it pukes, it would have puked on dd anyway |
| 00:47.35 | flowtech | haven't heard of that one |
| 00:50.10 | fluffy_wolf | and IIRC, you can make a .iso of a cd by cat /dev/cdrom >foo.iso :P |
| 00:50.27 | simonrvn | um, vice-versa ;) |
| 00:50.35 | simonrvn | oh, never mind |
| 00:50.36 | fluffy_wolf | um? |
| 00:50.38 | fluffy_wolf | lol |
| 00:52.03 | fluffy_wolf | sadly, cat foo.iso >/dev/cdrom isn't likely to work, until cd burning becomes implemented in the kernel. :) |
| 00:52.16 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 00:54.17 | fluffy_wolf | sigh. now you made me want a good curry. |
| 00:54.44 | fluffy_wolf | if you go to a reasturant here and order a curry, you get some vaugely yellow-colored chicken with no noticable flavor. |
| 00:58.45 | fluffy_wolf | 192.168.0.227:/mp3s 77371252437321868667518976 0 77371252437321868667518976 0% /mp3all/mp3s |
| 00:58.54 | fluffy_wolf | blah |
| 00:59.18 | fluffy_wolf | what is OC_AFK, and why is it being annoying? :P |
| 01:06.35 | simonrvn | what's it doing? |
| 01:08.55 | fluffy_wolf | bah. I pasted it to you, but the server helpfully blocked it. |
| 01:09.04 | Stereo | mmm curry |
| 01:09.23 | simonrvn | flowtech: sec |
| 01:09.27 | simonrvn | flowtech: woops |
| 01:09.32 | simonrvn | fluffy_wolf: ^^ |
| 01:09.40 | simonrvn | try again |
| 01:09.52 | simonrvn | i was /umode +CE |
| 01:10.00 | fluffy_wolf | I don't like pasting more than 1-2 lines in the channel... |
| 01:10.15 | flowtech | oi oi oi |
| 01:10.18 | simonrvn | OC_AFK: could you turn off that script? |
| 01:11.22 | fluffy_wolf | Stereo: where abouts are you, and do they make good curry there? |
| 01:11.39 | simonrvn | @curry++ |
| 01:11.45 | simonrvn | @karma curry |
| 01:11.45 | ravenbird | curry has karma of 1 |
| 01:11.53 | simonrvn | @curry++ |
| 01:11.54 | simonrvn | @karma curry |
| 01:11.56 | simonrvn | @karma curry |
| 01:11.57 | ravenbird | curry has karma of 2 |
| 01:12.00 | simonrvn | :) |
| 01:12.12 | fluffy_wolf | I live in the states, and the stuff they call curry here is flavorless yellow-colored water. |
| 01:12.23 | Stereo | fluffy_wolf: england, and yes |
| 01:12.49 | simonrvn | Stereo: i coulda sworn you were in sweden or something. wonder how i got that idea |
| 01:12.50 | Stereo | the takeaway down the road is delicious |
| 01:12.52 | fluffy_wolf | mrrf. go to the local pub, order me a kamikaze hot vindaloo, pack it in dry ice, and ship it my way. :P |
| 01:13.02 | Stereo | simonrvn: I'm in luxembourg half of the year |
| 01:13.06 | simonrvn | aah, ok |
| 01:13.20 | fluffy_wolf | bbl, going to go have a non-curry dinner. |
| 01:13.22 | simonrvn | fluffy_wolf: haha |
| 01:13.27 | Stereo | fluffy_wolf: actually, if you vacuum packed it and overnighted it you could do that |
| 01:13.54 | Stereo | how much does it cost to overnight 500g over the atlantic? |
| 01:15.51 | fluffy_wolf | back |
| 01:15.57 | fluffy_wolf | too much, would be my guess. :) |
| 01:16.25 | fluffy_wolf | would be much more efficient if you ordered up a 50 kilo batch and shipped that. :) |
| 01:25.08 | fluffy_wolf | I ought to visit the uk one of these days... |
| 01:49.37 | Stereo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.05 | fluffy_wolf | I have a beard... blunkett (well, whoever his replacement was) would probably try to give me an ID card and/or tracker tag. :P |
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| 02:14.14 | Stereo | haha |
| 02:14.14 | Stereo | I have a variable beard too |
| 02:14.14 | Stereo | shouldn't bother you too much |
| 02:14.15 | Stereo | blunkett had a beard too |
| 02:15.43 | Stereo | they let loonies like RMS through, they won't bother you |
| 02:19.52 | fluffy_wolf | lol |
| 02:21.40 | simonrvn | i don't think they'd let me through |
| 02:22.32 | simonrvn | every time i've been areested was at a demo or action. ;) |
| 02:22.51 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 02:23.03 | fluffy_wolf | I've avoided being arrested, so far. |
| 02:25.11 | simonrvn | couple times it was expected. the rest were "the possibility exists, so be forewarned" kind of thing |
| 02:25.21 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 02:25.46 | simonrvn | the couple times it was sit-down/lock-down kinda thing |
| 02:26.46 | fluffy_wolf | dammit. I've been opening random .torrent files to check which ones have downloaded and which never worked, and the last one I opened I'm the only seed for with a large number of peers trying to get it, mine being the only complete copy... don't want to close it with people getting it, but can't spare the bandwidth at the moment. |
| 02:31.47 | Stereo | bittorrent needs a sorry packet |
| 02:32.06 | Stereo | find the fastest peer, ban all others |
| 02:34.32 | fluffy_wolf | it has that, essentially. |
| 02:36.12 | Stereo | yes but not efficiently |
| 02:40.34 | fluffy_wolf | dammit. most of these .torrents I'm deleting I'm the only seed for. oh well. I just don't have the bandwidth to be a major seeder... |
| 02:41.59 | Stereo | what's annoying is when you do have the bandwidth |
| 02:42.18 | Stereo | and you get 200kB/s upload, 5kB/s download |
| 02:42.19 | fluffy_wolf | heh |
| 02:42.42 | fluffy_wolf | yep, I've complained about that before, in this channel in fact... |
| 02:46.44 | fluffy_wolf | Why are starship engines always EXACTLY powerful enough to hold a ship a fixed distance from a black hole? They never instantly break free or get sucked in... |
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| 03:25.03 | Stereo | fluffy_wolf: because the conventional engines are designed to get you to accelerate to the speed of light, and the blackhole sucks you in at the speed of light |
| 03:25.14 | Stereo | duh |
| 03:26.02 | Stereo | where did you pass your starship pilot's licence? |
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| 04:31.28 | fluffy_wolf | LOL |
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| 08:09.45 | jc-denton | heh i have a strange problem on my mac mini |
| 08:09.54 | jc-denton | the clock seems to be extremely slow |
| 08:10.16 | jc-denton | after a day date is 15 behind the time it should |
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| 08:20.54 | ukh | oh, ye humble ppc-users, is there any way to turn *off* the L2 cache? |
| 08:26.10 | simonrvn | what box again? and why would you want to do that? |
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| 08:58.13 | ukh | simonrvn: I'm still having odd issues with segfaults and oopses when doing kernel rebuilds. I've tried exchanging the RAM sticks a couple of times, but still no show. So, I'm sort of looking for other explanations, and it would be nice if I could test without L2 cache. B&W G3 |
| 09:00.56 | ukh | simonrvn: besides, if it really is bad memory, turning off the cache would probably have a better chance of seeing memtester failures (which I haven't seen yet) |
| 09:01.02 | simonrvn | dunno if it's interchangeable. the cpu |
| 09:01.04 | simonrvn | is |
| 09:01.55 | ukh | simonrvn: nah, the cache sits firmly solderded to the 750 cpu. But I suppose a true PPC hacker would know how to disable it in software |
| 09:04.01 | simonrvn | that's low level shit, kernel level. #mklinux |
| 09:04.19 | ukh | simonrvn: anyway, do you know if 38 degrees Celcius is acceptable for the 750? |
| 09:04.26 | simonrvn | too hot |
| 09:04.34 | ukh | what's normal? |
| 09:05.50 | ukh | then maybe I should add a CPU fan, and perhaps try down-clocking to say 350MHz from the rated 400? |
| 09:06.39 | simonrvn | 25-32 |
| 09:07.57 | simonrvn | mine ran normal, until i added a couple of 18 GB cheetahs - RAIDed - to the mix, runs at 32-40, and i have to open the window to cool the bugger. i think i can hack something for it, but i need time to take it down. |
| 09:08.20 | ukh | simonrvn: ah... (if one of my i386 boxes ran at 25 I'd say the temperature sensor was broken) I'll try some cooling then... |
| 09:08.28 | ukh | simonrvn: thanks!!! :-) |
| 09:08.32 | simonrvn | :) |
| 09:09.37 | ukh | (which is sort of interesting, why isn't temperature ratings mentioned in the Apple service manual?) |
| 09:09.43 | jc-denton | how can i set the hardware clock on ppc? |
| 09:14.30 | simonrvn | man date, man hwclock |
| 09:14.40 | simonrvn | @date |
| 09:14.42 | ravenbird | The current date is Thu Mar 17 09:14:43 2005 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 09:14.53 | simonrvn | @listkeys date |
| 09:15.04 | simonrvn | @listkeys time |
| 09:16.01 | simonrvn | @listkeys date |
| 09:16.07 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 09:16.35 | simonrvn | @listkeys date |
| 09:17.02 | simonrvn | @listkeys date |
| 09:17.27 | jc-denton | lol |
| 09:17.33 | jc-denton | well the problem is strange anyway |
| 09:17.41 | jc-denton | cos i sync it daily via ntpdate |
| 09:17.51 | jc-denton | but in the evening the clock is about 15min wrong |
| 09:18.51 | simonrvn | set the date, run an ntpd to sync to pool.ntp.org |
| 09:19.04 | simonrvn | sarge's ntpd should already be set to that |
| 09:19.10 | ukh | it is |
| 09:19.40 | simonrvn | set the date via ntpdate, with the ntpd stopped, then start it. should keep the time |
| 09:20.06 | simonrvn | packages: ntpdate ntp-simple ntp-server |
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| 10:44.16 | ukh | interesting. the 740/750 has some sort of support for automatically generating interrupts at certain temperature thresholds and it also has some sort of cpu throttling support. I suppose Linux doesn't know about that (yet)? |
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| 10:45.12 | Bor_Ed | dunno about that but I haven't been able to get non-cooled 750 to go over 31°C |
| 10:45.40 | ukh | my g3's don't have active cooling |
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| 10:45.58 | Bor_Ed | mine doesn't have any... only fan is in the PSU and I'm about to disable it too |
| 10:46.26 | ukh | well, mine goes up to 38 degrees... |
| 10:46.41 | ukh | 400MHz, 1MB L2 |
| 10:46.51 | Bor_Ed | ahh, I have 233/512k backside |
| 10:47.20 | ukh | and both PSU fan and a big case fan |
| 10:47.30 | Bor_Ed | I see... |
| 10:47.36 | Bor_Ed | off to pick up the kid from daycare |
| 10:48.17 | simonrvn | i've seen 42C here |
| 10:48.59 | ukh | right now, I think I'm in need of a "PowerPC assembly for Dummies". Suggestions? |
| 10:49.49 | simonrvn | ibm site has docs and links. googlable |
| 10:50.15 | ukh | ...I should have emphasized "Dummies", I think... |
| 10:50.48 | simonrvn | temperature : 39 C (uncalibrated) |
| 10:54.04 | simonrvn | ukh: yes, linux knows. there's an interrupt option in kernel confg, but certain early G4s can't take it |
| 10:54.35 | simonrvn | config even. they'd lock up and shit with it on. |
| 10:54.37 | ukh | simonrv: 2.6 kernel? |
| 10:54.46 | simonrvn | been in since 2.4 IIRC |
| 10:56.40 | ukh | simonrvn: Thanks for the tip... I'll check that out. By the way it ought to work in the data sheet I'm looking at, it should be pretty safe to overclock the 750, if thermal monitoring and instruction throttling is supported |
| 10:57.15 | simonrvn | i don't know how well it is supported. ask benh or paulus or segher in #mklinux |
| 10:58.19 | ukh | unfortunately my G3 is at home and turned off (since it isn't stable at the moment)... I'll dig into that tonight |
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| 11:02.58 | sth_ | anyone here with IBM RS/6000-experience? |
| 11:05.16 | simonrvn | some do. |
| 11:05.29 | simonrvn | @ask to ask |
| 11:05.30 | ravenbird | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! A Brief summary of your problem is enough. Be Specific, Informative, Concise, and Complete On-topic about the problem. If nobody answers then we don't know or are busy for a few minutes. Wait and don't bug us. If you must ask again wait until new people have joined the channel. |
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| 11:11.12 | ukh | argh. the 750 spec basically says that uncalibrated temperature readings basically are utterly useless. They can vary up to 20 degrees. |
| 11:11.23 | sth__ | (fscking university wlan... :-/ ) |
| 11:13.32 | ukh | actually, worse case scenario is 36 degrees off. |
| 11:13.49 | ukh | s/worse/worst/ |
| 11:23.01 | ukh | and the spec also says that the 750/1MB should be able to stand temperatures of up to 105 degrees... hmm... |
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| 12:28.59 | jc-denton | simonrvn: when i set it once with ntpdate |
| 12:29.11 | jc-denton | then i dont reboot for a week or so |
| 12:29.22 | jc-denton | time after a week should be correct.. |
| 12:29.28 | jc-denton | (no ntpd or so running) |
| 12:29.32 | jc-denton | but it is not |
| 12:30.47 | pahartik | jc-denton: i do have "ntpdate" on crontab of root... |
| 12:41.06 | jc-denton | i too |
| 12:41.31 | jc-denton | but it is not normal if the clock differs 15min behind realtime at the end of the day |
| 12:44.11 | pahartik | jc-denton: i tune crontab to run it often enough to not let time drift more than about one second |
| 12:44.49 | jc-denton | lol |
| 12:45.11 | jc-denton | pahartik: but the system should be able to not differ 1 minute after a week |
| 12:45.17 | jc-denton | i never had such problemes |
| 12:47.17 | pahartik | jc-denton: my systems drift few seconds per day |
| 12:47.40 | jc-denton | on a powerbook g4? |
| 12:47.49 | jc-denton | on osx too or only on linux? |
| 12:49.37 | pahartik | jc-denton: Linux on Alpha, PowerPC, SPARC... |
| 12:52.07 | jc-denton | humm the clock problem is strange |
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| 12:53.22 | pahartik | jc-denton: i have not been watching how much it drifts on iBook, i only have "ntpdate" on scripts i execute whenever i connect to wired network |
| 12:54.08 | jc-denton | hummm |
| 12:54.09 | pahartik | jc-denton: ...location-specific scripts... |
| 12:54.29 | jc-denton | well on my compaq laptop i do ntpdate about once a year |
| 12:54.43 | jc-denton | it does not differ a minute from realtime |
| 12:55.25 | pahartik | jc-denton: i do not have wintels around... |
| 12:55.59 | jc-denton | i also not |
| 12:56.01 | jc-denton | linuxtels |
| 12:57.55 | jc-denton | what is /etc/adjtime |
| 13:08.42 | ukh | jc-denton: in that case I'd be happy to buy your compaq laptop, just to get a stable ntp server :-P |
| 13:13.43 | jc-denton | ? |
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| 13:14.13 | jc-denton | the problem is not the ntp server |
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| 13:21.48 | wl_ | have some trouble getting the sound working on my pbook g4, all modules are loaded and xmms plays the mp3-files, but there is no sound... (yeah sound is not muted) |
| 13:22.02 | ukh | jc-denton: I understand that, but I think it's simply amazing that you've managed to get hold of a box (your compaq laptop) that is so accurate. I'm having problems with some i386 boxes - the clocks are fluctuating so much I can't use them as slave ntp servers. |
| 13:24.16 | jc-denton | hehe |
| 13:24.36 | jc-denton | but i think it's probably an arch problem |
| 13:24.44 | jc-denton | 15min/day is just not acceptable |
| 13:25.05 | ukh | jc-denton: well, over at the amd64 camp we also have reports of badly drifting clocks |
| 13:25.27 | jc-denton | hrmm |
| 13:25.37 | ukh | jc-denton: and I wouldn't trust my alpha at all |
| 13:25.48 | jc-denton | a cheap fucking watch for like 10$ is more precise |
| 13:26.25 | ukh | jc-denton: do you notice the clock is way off at the end of the day, or when you turn it on in the morning? |
| 13:29.22 | jc-denton | end of the day |
| 13:29.33 | jc-denton | it runs 24/7 |
| 13:37.11 | ukh | jc-denton: well, have it run disconnected from the network in MacOS for a day - that way you'd able to know if Linux is to blame or the hardware |
| 13:37.46 | jc-denton | humm |
| 13:37.59 | jc-denton | i would have to install mac os |
| 13:38.20 | ukh | jc-denton: actually, it might be a pretty bad idea. I don't know where MacOS gets it's time from - it might be the RTC after all |
| 13:41.18 | jc-denton | rtc? |
| 13:41.55 | ukh | the battery-backed little thing that is supposed to keep time when the machine is turned off |
| 13:42.37 | jc-denton | probably |
| 13:42.55 | ukh | so don't follow my advice... |
| 13:44.59 | ukh | 'hwclock --show' would tell you the difference between system and rtc time on i386 |
| 14:00.35 | jc-denton | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.40 | jc-denton | does not seem to work |
| 14:00.42 | jc-denton | on ppc |
| 14:06.26 | demon | works on my powerbook pismo, and my powermac 7500 |
| 14:06.33 | jc-denton | argh |
| 14:06.49 | demon | did you build your own kernel, perhaps? |
| 14:06.57 | demon | and not include generic RTC support? |
| 14:06.58 | jc-denton | hwclock, hwclock --show or hwclock something sets my time to hwlcokc |
| 14:07.06 | jc-denton | no the standard debian kernel |
| 14:07.21 | jc-denton | that one from sarge |
| 14:07.37 | demon | I'm currently using one from sid, but same diff |
| 14:07.47 | demon | what kind of box is it? |
| 14:07.56 | jc-denton | mac mini |
| 14:08.01 | demon | hm... |
| 14:08.08 | demon | ok, don't have one of those |
| 14:08.14 | demon | maybe its RTC is a bit different? |
| 14:08.32 | jc-denton | no idea |
| 14:09.26 | jc-denton | is that related to openfirmware? |
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| 14:13.39 | jc-denton | shall i report a but or something |
| 14:28.53 | demon | unfortunately I don't know for sure... I guess file a bug against the kernel package, and if the maintainer finds it's not implemented for the mac mini, he'll forward it to the kernel guys |
| 14:31.05 | jc-denton | thx |
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| 14:39.57 | lobezno | hi |
| 14:40.07 | lobezno | someone here have xorg with vga output? |
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| 14:45.59 | pahartik | lobezno: i managed to get things working by looking at "http://seb.france.free.fr/linux/ibookG4/iBookG4-howto.html" and "http://realpath.org/ibook/XF86Config-4.Dual" |
| 14:46.12 | lobezno | xorgP |
| 14:46.16 | lobezno | or xfree86? |
| 14:47.17 | lobezno | pahartik, I just use that howto, now I am compiling with the patched xfree86 but I need to know if it is posible to do the same with xorg |
| 14:48.06 | pahartik | lobezno: do you already know how to build that with "-mcpu=7400"? |
| 14:48.24 | lobezno | no |
| 14:48.32 | lobezno | I just made dpkg-buildpackage |
| 14:48.35 | lobezno | why= |
| 14:49.37 | pahartik | lobezno: i did just "fakeroot debian/rules binary", but i would of course like it optimized for hardware i run it on |
| 14:51.08 | lobezno | how did you optimized? |
| 14:52.16 | pahartik | lobezno: if i have to build (part of) whatever, why _not_ to optimize for certain CPU... i just do not know how to do it on that |
| 14:52.41 | lobezno | pahartik, so you didnt do it? |
| 14:53.25 | pahartik | lobezno: tried setting CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS but no effect |
| 14:53.30 | lobezno | ok |
| 14:53.33 | lobezno | sorry, dont know |
| 14:53.40 | lobezno | I am a normal user, not knowledge on this :( |
| 14:54.11 | pahartik | lobezno: i was asking about it because you probably have built it before |
| 14:54.17 | lobezno | yes |
| 14:54.20 | lobezno | I built this |
| 14:54.37 | lobezno | xfree86, and worked fine, but I am using ubuntu hoary now, not sarge debian |
| 14:55.01 | lobezno | and comes with xorg 6,8,2 installed, so I would like to use xorg but I dont know if this work with xorg |
| 14:57.14 | pahartik | lobezno: i started trying that patch on yesterday... i am not sure how much of "xserver-xfree86" this "DRI trunk" thing replaces |
| 14:57.32 | lobezno | ¿? |
| 14:57.35 | lobezno | dont understaqnd that |
| 15:00.19 | pahartik | lobezno: i followed instructions at "http://seb.france.free.fr/linux/ibookG4/iBookG4-howto-5.html#ss5.6" |
| 15:01.22 | lobezno | mv: no se puede efectuar `stat' sobre «libGL.so.1.2~»: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 15:01.22 | lobezno | make[6]: *** [libGL.so.1.2] Error 1 |
| 15:01.25 | lobezno | yes |
| 15:01.37 | lobezno | pahartik, I am using that instructions but I am having problems now |
| 15:01.41 | lobezno | look that message |
| 15:01.42 | lobezno | :( |
| 15:02.47 | pahartik | lobezno: maybe you should use "LANG=POSIX"? |
| 15:03.04 | lobezno | it said file or directory doesnt exists |
| 15:03.08 | lobezno | pahartik, why? |
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| 15:08.37 | lobezno | pahartik, no idea? |
| 15:08.43 | lobezno | you compiled withour problems? |
| 15:09.45 | pahartik | lobezno: no problems on building that |
| 15:09.54 | lobezno | :( |
| 15:09.56 | lobezno | gcc version? |
| 15:10.35 | pahartik | lobezno: gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8) |
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| 15:10.50 | lobezno | gcc versión 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2) |
| 15:11.04 | lobezno | mmm |
| 15:12.09 | lobezno | I really need vga output |
| 15:12.19 | lobezno | I am with 12" in my house |
| 15:12.27 | lobezno | I need to use the monitor! |
| 15:12.29 | lobezno | :) |
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| 15:15.55 | nusse_ | hello |
| 15:16.19 | nusse_ | is there anywhere a hardware faq, what wors and what doesnt? |
| 15:16.40 | nusse_ | i need to know whats working on an ibook dual usb |
| 15:17.15 | lobezno | I was using dpkg-buildpackage instead of debuild |
| 15:17.18 | lobezno | could be that pahartik ? |
| 15:17.56 | al_ | nusse_, g3 ? |
| 15:18.11 | pahartik | lobezno: if you install same XFree as in Debian Sarge, maybe it would work? |
| 15:18.24 | lobezno | I did |
| 15:18.32 | lobezno | I am using the howto |
| 15:18.48 | lobezno | apt-get source xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk |
| 15:18.50 | lobezno | from dri trunk |
| 15:19.06 | nusse_ | al_: yes, 500mhz |
| 15:19.28 | al_ | nusse_, everything will work. excepted the modem, but you can buy a binary driver. |
| 15:20.19 | nusse_ | al_: i dont need no modem. will powermanagment work? |
| 15:20.25 | al_ | yep. |
| 15:20.52 | nusse_ | http://open.bsdcow.net/articles/ibook-faq/index.html |
| 15:21.09 | nusse_ | "the dual-usb ibook, also known as "late 2001" model." is this true? |
| 15:21.19 | al_ | i think |
| 15:21.26 | al_ | but i don't anything about *bsd |
| 15:21.42 | nusse_ | its not about bsd, only the naming |
| 15:21.51 | al_ | but a standard 2.6 kernel supports everything on the ibook g3 |
| 15:22.12 | nusse_ | all g3 ibooks have the same hardware? |
| 15:22.40 | al_ | mmh no |
| 15:22.50 | al_ | processors and videocards have changed i think |
| 15:23.19 | nusse_ | what should be considered as cheap for a g3/500 ibook? |
| 15:23.30 | nusse_ | but video has also 3d acceleration? |
| 15:23.39 | al_ | DRI drivers |
| 15:24.37 | pahartik | nusse_: http://www.everymac.com/systems/by_casetype/portable.html |
| 15:27.24 | nusse_ | what are 650us$ in euro? =) |
| 15:29.56 | pahartik | nusse_: http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi?Amount=650&From=USD&To=EUR |
| 15:31.32 | nusse_ | pahartik: thx:) |
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| 16:16.24 | Pakal | Can I use mi Pentium sources.list file on a G4 system |
| 16:17.49 | Piru | does your G4 system contain x86 cpu? |
| 16:18.48 | Piru | if it has anything pentium specific, then no |
| 16:19.19 | Piru | but assuming it uses std debian sources then it should work I guess |
| 16:19.47 | Pakal | I have: |
| 16:19.48 | Pakal | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 16:20.15 | Piru | you could just use apt-config to set a new file up? |
| 16:20.24 | Piru | that works |
| 16:20.36 | Piru | but you can always use apt-config if nothing else works |
| 16:20.51 | Pakal | how knows apt-get what kind of system is? |
| 16:21.11 | al_ | uname -m |
| 16:22.53 | Pakal | ok, thanks |
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| 16:56.17 | peterrooney | where would i find a memory tester program? the only ppc-specific one i've been able to find was hammerhead.tgz, but it complains about the wrong kernel version every time. it's asking for 2.4.18, but on ppc (stable) there are only four close matches |
| 16:57.39 | al_ | memtester ?.. |
| 16:57.42 | peterrooney | namely, kernel-image-2.4.18-newpmac, kernel-image-2.4.18-powerpc, kernel-image-2.4.18-powerpc-smp, and kernel-image-2.4.18-powerpc-xfs, |
| 17:00.57 | peterrooney | i checked. memtest package not available for ppc :( |
| 17:01.23 | al_ | memtest*er* |
| 17:09.01 | peterrooney | i sit corrected. i've jsut found charles cabazon's memtester. will check it out. |
| 17:09.29 | peterrooney | thank you, al_. |
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| 18:23.34 | wl_ | someone here with a new powerbook g4 who can show me his module options for the awacs sound card? |
| 18:26.41 | pahartik | wl_: it is not supposed to need any? |
| 18:27.28 | wl_ | hm it doesn't work |
| 18:28.28 | wl_ | with oss dmasound the codec is not supported, with alsa it works, but there is just no sound (not muted!) |
| 18:29.05 | wl_ | kernel 2.6.11.4 |
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| 19:46.17 | Bor_Ed | http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-macmini1/?ca=dgr-lnxw09MacMiniP1 nice article from ibm for a change |
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| 20:22.49 | simonrvn | yeh it is nice. |
| 20:28.54 | Bor_Ed | if only macmini would be decently priced here |
| 20:29.40 | simonrvn | yeh. other day i heard about 699 for a base one |
| 20:30.04 | Bor_Ed | 570 eur on local shop |
| 20:30.12 | Bor_Ed | (www.wasaware.fi , click on 'hinnasto' |
| 20:31.35 | Bor_Ed | though pegasos setup isn't too cheap there either |
| 20:31.54 | simonrvn | whoah |
| 20:32.13 | simonrvn | and that's for a base one it seems |
| 20:32.24 | Bor_Ed | http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/pa-bargain.html ain't available here but $160 usd sounds decent even with shipping costs |
| 20:32.43 | Bor_Ed | umm, $160 plus shipping costs |
| 20:39.25 | simonrvn | w00t, new bind |
| 20:39.51 | simonrvn | running the install for the .debs now |
| 20:40.16 | simonrvn | what a strange little box, this kuro |
| 20:43.58 | Bor_Ed | kuro has been around for quite a while... and it seems ok for toying around and even for some diskless nodes, enough ram and cpu power to run basic stuff with no sweat |
| 20:47.24 | simonrvn | it does look neat. |
| 20:48.38 | simonrvn | http://www.appletalk.com.au/articles/miniserver/ |
| 20:48.40 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 21:00.10 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, such hacks were common on amiga 600/1200 times to hook up 3.5" HDs and normal cdroms to the 2.5" bus |
| 21:00.27 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 21:00.55 | Bor_Ed | nice to see though that ppl are getting minimacs to some creative uses :) |
| 21:01.06 | simonrvn | yeh :) |
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| 21:06.16 | simonrvn | phew, it works. seems if you enable a ./configure option for bind 9.3.1 you hit a glibc bug =) |
| 21:06.46 | Bor_Ed | hmmm ? :o |
| 21:07.19 | simonrvn | google for "ifiter_getifaddrs.c:109: INSIST(ifa->ifa_addr != ((void *)0)) failed" |
| 21:08.19 | simonrvn | why i build it there is because i can have LDAP support, though i might try outpdns. seems it has a recursor now, though i might just use lwresd instead |
| 21:08.26 | Bor_Ed | I'll skip, thank ya :) |
| 21:08.26 | simonrvn | s/there/here/ |
| 21:08.49 | simonrvn | s/outpdns/out pdns/. sticky space bar... |
| 21:14.44 | demon | yeah, I still recommend using another recursor... dnscache from DJBDNS (I know, I know) actually works quite well |
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| 21:17.21 | demon | but I run powerdns as the authoritative server for our DNS infrastructure at work (along with MySQL and a custom frontend I wrote) and it truly does kick metric tons of ass. |
| 21:18.36 | simonrvn | yeh? cool. i'm looking to have real LDAP backend, and it does have it. |
| 21:19.10 | simonrvn | it does do caching too - the zones and stuff i mean - so it wouldn't be a problem |
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| 21:48.31 | Madkiss | Can somebody point me to an online-shop that has 12"-iBooks in stock with 512MB RAM, BT and 60GB hard disk? |
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| 21:49.03 | grivell | Madkiss: Apple's store. |
| 21:49.04 | Bor_Ed | applestore doesn't have them as options ? |
| 21:49.22 | grivell | Apple is the best place to buy from for PPC (that I know of). |
| 21:49.48 | grivell | Of course, I would love to hear about a place that has cheap PPC laptops that can run Linux ;) |
| 21:50.12 | Bor_Ed | cheap or affordable (and recent) ? :) |
| 21:50.24 | grivell | Surprise me ;) |
| 21:50.28 | Bor_Ed | LOL |
| 21:50.55 | Bor_Ed | build yer own from mai.com mini-itx sized one ? :D |
| 21:52.37 | grivell | I'm looking for a place that has good x86-64 laptops. The only requirements are unmatched by x86 I believe. 3D accell, no overheating, good battery life (4 hrs like my iBook). Not looking to buy now, but I want the options dammit. I use to use Dell's (i8100, i8200, i5150). First died (Jut would not start), 2nd is going strong, 3rd overheats when run at full speed. And does not sleep. |
| 21:53.50 | grivell | I just wish these companies would get on the ball. Have people in the Linux IRC channels to recommend. Listen to customers. You know, try to make a good product! |
| 21:56.06 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 21:57.20 | Bor_Ed | well, only thing I look for lappie is 3d (enough for fgfs), decent battery life (3-4 hours) and good support (longer battery life) for ogg/mp3 playback |
| 21:57.42 | Bor_Ed | oh, and 1024x768 resolution as minimum |
| 21:58.16 | grivell | Love my iBook though. It is perfect. I just hope it lasts a long long time. Because Apple/ATI/NVidia combo are just not working right now. Only reason I bought iBook was Radeon 9200 (3d accel). After that, I'm sol. |
| 21:58.27 | grivell | fgfs? |
| 21:58.35 | Bor_Ed | www.flightgear.org |
| 21:59.20 | grivell | That is one thing that burns me about iBook. Low resolution. I am used to 1600x1200 on the Dell. |
| 21:59.35 | Bor_Ed | I have to 'play' it at wifes box currently (k6-2/500 with 3dfx voodoo3/3000) since friggin linux/ppc doesn't have 3d for same card |
| 22:00.04 | grivell | Linux/PPC doesn't have 3d for voodoo3? It is dri isn't it? |
| 22:00.18 | Bor_Ed | dri is there... but no 3d for some reason |
| 22:00.35 | grivell | Weird. Did you set mode 666? |
| 22:00.46 | Bor_Ed | trust me, I've tried and googled a lot... |
| 22:01.19 | grivell | Have Apple's gart loaded? |
| 22:01.31 | Bor_Ed | I've got pci box |
| 22:01.34 | Madkiss | grivell, Bor_Ed: It takes them 8 weeks to deliver. |
| 22:01.35 | grivell | ah. |
| 22:02.06 | grivell | Madkiss: Probably ship faster. They must really be overloaded. Didn't take long for me. |
| 22:02.21 | Madkiss | grivell: No, probably ship slower. |
| 22:02.30 | Bor_Ed | 3d runs on mockos 9.1 ... though I haven't found fgfs compiled for it yet |
| 22:02.34 | Madkiss | 8 weeks was an "optimistic guess", according to the lady on the phone |
| 22:02.53 | grivell | Order online. |
| 22:03.00 | grivell | See what it says. |
| 22:03.01 | Madkiss | I _did. |
| 22:03.04 | Bor_Ed | Madkiss, you're the person behind xfce for linux/ppc, right ? |
| 22:03.05 | grivell | ahh :( |
| 22:03.10 | Madkiss | I just called the lady to ask what's happening with my order |
| 22:03.20 | Madkiss | as I didn't hear ynthing back from them five days after having paid |
| 22:03.45 | simonrvn | Madkiss: i assume xfce4 will get new stuff after sarge goes stable, right? |
| 22:04.02 | Madkiss | simonrvn: No, before |
| 22:04.07 | simonrvn | ok |
| 22:04.07 | Madkiss | Think of next week |
| 22:04.19 | simonrvn | cool, was just wondering. thanks |
| 22:04.26 | Madkiss | Of course, if somebody helps me finding an iBook on stock, that might increase my level of interest in doing the work |
| 22:04.33 | grivell | I have to try xfce. Now I know who I can bitch too ;) |
| 22:04.37 | Madkiss | And thus make me do it faster, you know. -HINT- -HINT- -HINT- |
| 22:04.59 | grivell | lol |
| 22:05.01 | Bor_Ed | Madkiss, I just wanted to thank person who packaged the best (IMHO) WM for use on these boxen |
| 22:05.03 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 22:05.35 | simonrvn | yeh. can't beat xfce4 as the fastest DE in linux-based OSes |
| 22:05.43 | Madkiss | iBook, I say! 12", 512MB, 60GB, Hard disk. |
| 22:05.46 | Bor_Ed | twm ? :D |
| 22:05.55 | Bor_Ed | whoops, DE ... |
| 22:06.05 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, yer pretty much right |
| 22:06.40 | simonrvn | i mean, with a "panel", and such things. there are others, like windowmaker and such |
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| 22:07.45 | Bor_Ed | only thingies I haven't found on xfce plugins so far are weather and remote (imaps) plugins |
| 22:08.06 | Bor_Ed | though tiny gkrellm for those isn't too much of a trouble |
| 22:08.23 | simonrvn | i have the waether one |
| 22:08.28 | simonrvn | wea* |
| 22:08.37 | simonrvn | really nice. works better than gnome's |
| 22:11.13 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I don't have that on plugins... got ready .deb somewhere ? :) |
| 22:11.41 | simonrvn | maybe. lemme check |
| 22:13.35 | simonrvn | oh, get it from |
| 22:13.59 | simonrvn | maybe, gotta check |
| 22:14.00 | simonrvn | deb http://www.lxtec.de/debarchiv binary-powerpc/ |
| 22:14.03 | simonrvn | deb-src http://www.lxtec.de/debarchiv sources/ |
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| 22:14.45 | Bor_Ed | updating |
| 22:15.12 | Bor_Ed | recall the plugin name or do I have to shoot search ? :) |
| 22:15.28 | simonrvn | xfce4-weather-plugin i thnik |
| 22:15.34 | Bor_Ed | ok, thanks |
| 22:16.35 | al_ | why isn't xfce 4.2 in debian ? |
| 22:16.50 | simonrvn | because. 4.3 is out |
| 22:16.53 | simonrvn | ;P |
| 22:16.56 | Bor_Ed | LOL |
| 22:17.34 | simonrvn | oh, wait, that might be wrong. or out of date |
| 22:17.38 | al_ | 4.2.1 :) |
| 22:17.54 | simonrvn | maybe not. though you could try |
| 22:17.55 | simonrvn | #deb http://www.os-works.com/debian binary/ |
| 22:17.55 | simonrvn | #deb-src http://www.os-works.com/debian source/ |
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| 22:20.23 | mrstocks | hi, any info on debian ppc with ibook g4 airport extreme |
| 22:20.51 | al_ | it won't work. |
| 22:21.11 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, buggr wanted to install 17 more packages :o |
| 22:21.20 | mrstocks | Well, should i cansel my order? |
| 22:21.46 | mrstocks | Will the g4 ibook ever make a good home for linux? |
| 22:22.56 | al_ | it will, but you won't have wifi with airport extreme |
| 22:23.03 | mrstocks | never ever? |
| 22:23.03 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: heh |
| 22:23.13 | al_ | but with a usb dongle you can |
| 22:23.28 | mrstocks | al_ could you give me some downpoints of the ibook g4? |
| 22:23.33 | al_ | mmh |
| 22:23.39 | al_ | mh. |
| 22:23.41 | mrstocks | like the price to add onto it to get wifi |
| 22:23.45 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, and every package seems to come from the site the weather plugin is on |
| 22:23.50 | mrstocks | wifi was the missing word heh |
| 22:24.39 | simonrvn | "cancel" |
| 22:24.52 | al_ | if you forget airport extreme, everything will work with a 2.6.11 kernel mrstocks. |
| 22:25.50 | mrstocks | i have a windows pcmcia card fir x86 system will that work on a mac? |
| 22:26.01 | al_ | there is no pcmcia slot in ibook g4. |
| 22:26.08 | al_ | usb dongle, usb dongle, usb dongle. |
| 22:26.13 | mrstocks | that sorts that... |
| 22:26.47 | Bor_Ed | www.prism54.org or was it www.prism2.org site is what lists linux supported cards |
| 22:27.03 | Bor_Ed | (regardless of the arch or connection method) |
| 22:27.21 | mrstocks | no entries for usb dongle in the apple sortes how much is it? |
| 22:28.19 | Bor_Ed | usb dongles aren't available on apple store because of osx works with the internal 802.11g adapter |
| 22:30.09 | mrstocks | where can i get them? go you havea liknk? |
| 22:30.38 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn ? |
| 22:31.04 | simonrvn | google ;) |
| 22:31.16 | Bor_Ed | mrstocks, I just shot couple of sites that have compatible hardware |
| 22:31.45 | Bor_Ed | pricewatch or such to see stores selling the gear |
| 22:32.11 | mrstocks | thx |
| 22:32.41 | mrstocks | what is the full name of dongle usb |
| 22:35.43 | simonrvn | google too hard? |
| 22:35.49 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 22:39.21 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, the buggr site seems to upgrade to 4.2.0-4 :o |
| 22:39.51 | simonrvn | is that really an upgeade for you? |
| 22:39.58 | simonrvn | grade* |
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| 22:45.43 | Bor_Ed | well that's what apt-get dist-upgrade said |
| 22:45.53 | grivell | apt, airport |
| 22:45.54 | apt | if idiots are airplanes then #debian is an airport... a type of wireless card supported under Linux. Airport Extreme is not. Get a D-Link DWL-122 USB which is Linux compatible. |
| 22:45.55 | simonrvn | ok |
| 22:46.27 | grivell | Also, http://sourceforge.net/projects/zd1211/ is 802.11g usb dongle |
| 22:46.41 | grivell | http://store.yahoo.com/pctekonline/ph80wiusb20a.html to buy that |
| 22:47.34 | grivell | I have a D-Link DWL-122 USB. But I hear good things about zd1211. |
| 22:51.53 | grivell | !usbwifi |
| 22:52.00 | grivell | @usbwifi |
| 22:52.05 | grivell | -usbwifi |
| 22:52.13 | grivell | ~usbwifi |
| 22:52.14 | apt | wlan-ng must be downloaded from http://www.linux-wlan.org/ . wlan-ng cards: D-Link DWL-122 USB (802.11b). Other chipsets: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zd1211/ (802.11g usb). Buy at http://store.yahoo.com/pctekonline/ph80wiusb20a.html |
| 22:52.53 | grivell | That should answer peoples questions. |
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| 22:53.49 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn, the upgrade fsck'd up my whole desktop :o |
| 22:54.51 | simonrvn | *shrug*. use aptitude, you can select the version you need |
| 22:55.33 | Bor_Ed | well, new xfce has more bells&whistles at least |
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