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| 04:15.35 | neiras | Hello... I am installing Debian as the only OS on an OldWorld mac. I downloaded boot-floppy-hfs.bin and booted fine, but I'm realizing that I would really rather install Sarge than Woody. Is there an HFS boot floppy that will allow me to do this, with a 2.4+ kernel? |
| 04:18.00 | neiras | I can't seem to boot from the boot images in /debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-powerpc/current |
| 04:21.43 | flowtech | did you try those ones yet? -> http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/ |
| 04:21.54 | neiras | no, cool, I didn't see those |
| 04:21.59 | neiras | thanks for the tip |
| 04:22.24 | neiras | I'll give 'em a shot |
| 04:22.44 | flowtech | but i can't guarantee that they are gonna work |
| 04:24.31 | neiras | Understood, no worries |
| 04:24.45 | neiras | the ony question is, is boot.img an hfs image |
| 04:26.08 | flowtech | well, i'm not so sure about that. those images work on some machines, but they fail on others. these mac floppy drives are pretty weird |
| 04:26.13 | neiras | Yeah |
| 04:26.35 | neiras | Man it's so cool to see my old Performa with something useful on the screen |
| 04:26.40 | neiras | I'm giddy |
| 04:26.52 | flowtech | so it did work? |
| 04:26.59 | flowtech | that's cool. |
| 04:27.29 | neiras | Actually I haven't tried the boot image you pointed me to yet - I'm sitting in a Potato installer |
| 04:27.36 | neiras | still making the floppy |
| 04:29.37 | flowtech | ok. are you using the images in /floppy/ or /floppy-2.4/ ? |
| 04:29.59 | flowtech | no, i meant, are you "going to" be |
| 04:30.07 | neiras | gonna try -2.4 |
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| 04:39.45 | neiras | flowtech, you're a rock star |
| 04:39.49 | neiras | thanks for the help |
| 04:39.55 | flowtech | w00t? |
| 04:39.59 | flowtech | how come? |
| 04:40.04 | neiras | kaBOOT |
| 04:40.07 | neiras | lookin' good |
| 04:40.22 | flowtech | sounds nice. |
| 04:40.34 | neiras | Now, I just hope I can figure out this OpenFirmware crap |
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| 05:36.17 | gobbles | generation names |
| 05:55.36 | gobbles | simonrvn, any idea why of wont report the device name of a adaptec scsi wide controller to quik but the kernels see's it just fine |
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| 07:55.21 | gobbles | gmail addy please\ |
| 07:57.05 | gobbles | check your gmail when you get time |
| 08:06.49 | gobbles | anyway to burn dmg files in linux |
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| 14:23.33 | two-face | hi |
| 14:23.46 | two-face | anyone involved in the ppc64 port here? |
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| 14:40.53 | grivell | two-face: What the question? |
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| 14:41.53 | two-face | hmm, well, no |
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| 16:28.13 | gobbles | anyway to burn dmg files in linux |
| 16:29.09 | Bor_Ed | aren't those just isos with other suffix ? |
| 16:29.38 | gobbles | im positive they arent |
| 16:30.01 | gobbles | btw changing toast to iso doesnt work either |
| 16:30.23 | Bor_Ed | hmm |
| 16:33.18 | gobbles | i fished a 7100 out of a dumpster last night |
| 16:33.23 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 16:33.30 | bioterror | good for you |
| 16:33.33 | gobbles | works too |
| 16:33.40 | gobbles | mmmmmmmmmmmmm mac |
| 16:33.43 | bioterror | you can soon fish 7200/120 from my dumpster :D |
| 16:33.49 | bioterror | 8200/120 even |
| 16:34.08 | bioterror | bor_ed, I can give this machine to you if you want |
| 16:34.11 | gobbles | let me have them bioterror |
| 16:34.12 | Bor_Ed | naa |
| 16:34.22 | Bor_Ed | I have 1 8200/120 here somewhere |
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| 16:34.47 | bioterror | I have 128MB ram! |
| 16:34.58 | Bor_Ed | mine has 64 or 80 |
| 16:35.07 | gobbles | i think im running 256 |
| 16:35.35 | bioterror | bor_ed, so you can only win if you drop by |
| 16:35.44 | bioterror | gobbles, nice top ;D |
| 16:36.06 | Bor_Ed | bioterror, I don't have a car... and it's 450 km/way :D |
| 16:36.16 | bioterror | damn hippies! |
| 16:36.19 | gobbles | well its got a whole lot of sticks in it :) |
| 16:36.45 | gobbles | this simple g3 is kicking my arse |
| 16:36.58 | bioterror | bor_ed, I don't have even bike (it's at my parents new home with out saddle, yes I'm homosexual ;) |
| 16:37.08 | Bor_Ed | I'm compiling 2.6.12-rc1-bk1 on g3 right now :) |
| 16:37.29 | bioterror | I'm not going to install Linux to my coming G3 |
| 16:37.30 | Bor_Ed | I don't have bike either... though I have a scootah :D |
| 16:37.45 | bioterror | there's so many new kernels with the new policy |
| 16:37.46 | pahartik | bioterror: you have no use for that? |
| 16:37.56 | gobbles | im buying a g5 just for linux |
| 16:38.05 | bioterror | gobbles, good for you |
| 16:38.18 | bioterror | G5 as Linux machine is like throwing money to the well |
| 16:38.48 | gobbles | no mock os is like thowing money into a rat hole |
| 16:39.08 | gobbles | osx is bs |
| 16:39.18 | dj-death | bs ? |
| 16:39.27 | gobbles | bukk shit |
| 16:39.34 | gobbles | bull* |
| 16:39.57 | dj-death | lol |
| 16:40.09 | bioterror | I'm using OS X 10.3.8 right now and this is best |
| 16:40.25 | bioterror | Aqua + Exposé is something that *nix users can only dream about |
| 16:40.31 | gobbles | if you like gui good for you |
| 16:40.43 | jaska | osx is pretty much garbage |
| 16:40.45 | jaska | and eyecandy |
| 16:40.56 | gobbles | give me a cli any day |
| 16:41.05 | bioterror | OS X is NeXTSTEP in the year 2000 ;D |
| 16:41.18 | jaska | no, osx is nextstep raped and dumbed down |
| 16:41.18 | dj-death | I dont think |
| 16:41.21 | gobbles | wahoo my first mac arguement |
| 16:41.23 | bioterror | I used to use wmaker as my damager in FreeBSD/Debian/OpenBSD |
| 16:41.35 | dj-death | bioterror: it's only gui |
| 16:41.46 | dj-death | nothing else |
| 16:42.08 | gobbles | ya and linux is free |
| 16:42.09 | dj-death | linux is far more powerfull than macosx kernel |
| 16:42.28 | dj-death | gobbles: that's why it's so powerfull ;) |
| 16:42.35 | gobbles | not 100 more every time you want the upgrade |
| 16:42.41 | dj-death | hey guys, fear GNU/Hurd ;) |
| 16:42.45 | gobbles | even microsoft gives free service packs |
| 16:42.59 | bioterror | dj-death, can you tell me why there's so many 2.6. kernel update today? |
| 16:43.02 | bioterror | even if there's new policy |
| 16:43.05 | Bor_Ed | hurd runs only on ia32 |
| 16:43.13 | dj-death | bioterror: lol |
| 16:43.27 | dj-death | bioterror: linux is ported on so much architecture than osx |
| 16:43.31 | bioterror | I've been lolling too for that |
| 16:43.35 | bioterror | and? |
| 16:44.05 | jaska | to get any performance out of mach they had to stuff everything in it :P |
| 16:44.27 | dj-death | that's maybe why there will be always more than osx |
| 16:44.40 | dj-death | more updates |
| 16:44.42 | dj-death | -s |
| 16:46.08 | gobbles | :) |
| 16:46.09 | jaska | heh |
| 16:46.29 | dj-death | arg ! :) |
| 16:46.56 | gobbles | everyone with a brain knows linux or bsd beats osX hands down |
| 16:48.16 | gobbles | nope thats a wad of lint |
| 16:48.42 | gobbles | boing |
| 16:50.04 | gobbles | you know what gets me, how do linux developers live ? |
| 16:50.31 | gobbles | i mean open source is free so how do they eat and survive. |
| 16:51.01 | bioterror | hahaha |
| 16:51.20 | bioterror | I'm going to install OpenBSD on B&W G3 |
| 16:51.47 | gobbles | ill stick to debian |
| 16:52.28 | gobbles | its a nice medium tween the complexities of slackware, and the ease of use of red spalt |
| 16:52.34 | jaska | hat red |
| 16:53.11 | bioterror | I like *BSD's |
| 16:53.21 | jaska | ditto, except openbsd |
| 16:53.24 | gobbles | quite a bit like free bsd |
| 16:53.28 | bioterror | FreeBSD was my Desktop OS but then I switched to the OS X |
| 16:53.48 | jaska | altho openbsd produced pf etc. which are nice |
| 16:53.55 | bioterror | yes |
| 16:54.01 | gobbles | i would have tried it but i couldnt find boot floppies for it |
| 16:54.11 | bioterror | one of the main reasons why I'm getting OpenBSD 3.7 CD's ;) |
| 16:54.25 | jaska | also i hate de raadt |
| 16:55.08 | bioterror | haha |
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| 16:55.16 | gobbles | good morning to all points east of gmt |
| 16:55.18 | bioterror | is he too prick for you? ;D |
| 16:55.40 | jaska | yeah hes a jerk |
| 16:57.13 | gobbles | i think my floppy drive is screwed |
| 16:57.58 | jaska | all of mine are, except the ones on my sparcs |
| 16:58.10 | gobbles | mmmm sparc |
| 16:58.28 | bioterror | what's floppy drive? |
| 16:58.53 | bioterror | I haven't used one for a ages |
| 16:58.59 | jaska | neither have i |
| 16:59.00 | gobbles | the opposite of hard drive |
| 16:59.29 | gobbles | only way i can install is through floppy boot |
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| 17:37.33 | Bor_Ed | hmm, compiled the kernel in 60 mins, 59.335 secs |
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| 17:41.03 | Stereo | you could rebuild gcc with apt-build to make it even faster :p |
| 17:41.34 | Bor_Ed | I doubt... 750 doesn't have that much new stuff compared to 601 |
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| 18:57.37 | Madkiss | That's wrong with the benh-rsync-tree, btw? |
| 18:57.57 | Bor_Ed | bens patches are merged to vanilla nowadays |
| 18:59.45 | Madkiss | I see |
| 18:59.58 | Madkiss | So when getting my iBook, I shall start straight with 2.6.11.something? |
| 19:00.11 | Bor_Ed | Linux g3 2.6.12-rc1-bk1 #1 Sat Mar 19 18:36:56 EET 2005 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 19:00.18 | Bor_Ed | works ok, though beige g3 |
| 19:00.28 | grivell | Madkiss: yes |
| 19:00.34 | grivell | If you want sleep |
| 19:00.56 | grivell | Or Debian kernel-source-2.6.10 if you want stability |
| 19:01.23 | Bor_Ed | I haven't had a single crash on vanilla+some weird patches on deb |
| 19:01.42 | grivell | I needed sleep (which requires USB devices to be removed before sleep). So 2.6.11 is my only choice. |
| 19:03.17 | grivell | Madkiss: Also, you need USB wifi dongle. joy |
| 19:03.41 | Madkiss | grivell: Got that already. |
| 19:03.46 | Madkiss | D-Link DWL-122, works flawlessly |
| 19:03.56 | grivell | yeah, same as mine |
| 19:05.09 | Madkiss | 2.6.11 is not stable, you say? |
| 19:05.49 | grivell | It is for me, but has no Debian patches to purify it ;) |
| 19:06.32 | grivell | 2.6.11.5 is out now, so when you get your iBook, 2.6.11 will be in Debian anyway. |
| 19:06.42 | grivell | iThink anyway |
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| 22:52.19 | iron_angel | anyone here ever set up Sarge on a Power Mac 8600? |
| 22:56.52 | bioterror | I installed Woody on 8200 and upgraded it to Sarge |
| 22:57.35 | iron_angel | what i've got just now is an 8600/300 with gobs of ram, running OS 9 |
| 22:57.45 | iron_angel | I want to do a fresh install of sarge on it |
| 22:58.28 | iron_angel | it has a PCI radeon, 100Mb nic and USB, if that helps or hinders anything at all |
| 22:58.51 | iron_angel | what's baffling me is how to get the install started in the first place - ie, how to boot the CD |
| 22:58.58 | iron_angel | boot cdrom from OF doesn't do the trick. |
| 23:01.23 | nusse_ | iron_angel: you cant book from cd, its old world. use boot-floppy-hfs.img and root.bin |
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| 23:04.36 | iron_angel | okies, will try that then. boot fd: from OF, right? |
| 23:05.51 | simonrvn | no, bye. make sure you have the floppy in it |
| 23:06.04 | simonrvn | 'bye' (no quotes) |
| 23:06.17 | iron_angel | ok, np |
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| 23:21.29 | fluffy_wolf | blah! power out for the last three and a half hours. UPS was down to 55% battery remaining! |
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| 23:28.09 | neiras | Hello! I have installed Woody to an oldworld PCI Performa 6400/200. I installed the 'quik' bootloader. Unfortunately, I recieve "CLAIM FAILED" from OpenFirmware 2.0 whenever I try to boot the new installation. Anyone have any tips? |
| 23:28.39 | bioterror | I used Mac OS as a boot device |
| 23:28.50 | neiras | I don't have MacOS on this machine. |
| 23:29.22 | neiras | Actually, I made a mistake above - I installed Potato |
| 23:29.27 | bioterror | ;D |
| 23:29.57 | neiras | This really sucks - I know there's an installation just waiting to boot and I just can't get OF to boot it |
| 23:30.27 | neiras | I suspect the root partition is not marked as bootable, but the version of mac-fdisk that potato used did not have an option to mark a partition as bootable |
| 23:33.08 | iron_angel | does that boot-floppy-hfs image normally take an aeon and two thirds to boot? |
| 23:33.54 | nusse_ | noe |
| 23:34.00 | nusse_ | try another floppy |
| 23:34.33 | simonrvn | neiras: you don't mark it bootable in the first place |
| 23:34.47 | neiras | oh |
| 23:34.59 | neiras | so I should be able to boot this, simonrvn? |
| 23:35.26 | gobbles | anyone familiar with gossamer ? |
| 23:35.34 | iron_angel | yeah, may have to. I get as far as the mac-and-penguin icon splash, then nothing... so foo. |
| 23:35.45 | simonrvn | iron_angel: re-do it |
| 23:36.01 | iron_angel | done and done. |
| 23:36.07 | simonrvn | neiras: yes. if everything is ok. the floppy drive, floppies, etc. |
| 23:36.36 | neiras | simonrvn, the floppies were brand new and the installation went smoothly, so I guess it's fine |
| 23:36.59 | simonrvn | may not have set up OF properly |
| 23:37.03 | neiras | I just wish OF would give me more detail than "CLAIM FAILED" |
| 23:37.50 | gobbles | i got this ow g3 and it installs completely, then at the end it tells me to reboot, and it just stis there saying "cant find scsi disk sd@0:0" |
| 23:37.59 | simonrvn | i should write up an OF mini-HOWTO. basic commands, basic debugging, and other shit |
| 23:38.20 | gobbles | i will sexor joo :) |
| 23:38.26 | neiras | well, let's see... auto-boot=false, real-base=6700000, real-size=100000, boot-device is /bandit/ohare/ATA/ATA-Disk@0:0 |
| 23:38.48 | neiras | input/ouput are keyboard/screen |
| 23:38.49 | simonrvn | wtf is real-base set that way? |
| 23:38.57 | neiras | er, kbd/screen |
| 23:39.09 | neiras | thats how it was when I got the machine |
| 23:39.16 | neiras | what should it be? |
| 23:39.27 | neiras | default is -1 |
| 23:39.33 | simonrvn | default is 0xffffffff |
| 23:39.35 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 23:39.41 | neiras | I'll try that |
| 23:39.47 | gobbles | alt + opt P + r |
| 23:39.54 | simonrvn | pram reset |
| 23:40.03 | gobbles | works for me |
| 23:40.16 | gobbles | gets me defaults every time |
| 23:40.26 | neiras | If I pram reset, I won't get screen/keyboard output any more |
| 23:40.28 | neiras | :) |
| 23:40.30 | simonrvn | of course it does |
| 23:41.09 | gobbles | ya i went the rout of a second vid card once too |
| 23:41.10 | simonrvn | that setting must've been for some weird-ass card or something, for mock os.. or some strange software |
| 23:41.24 | neiras | yeah, probably .. got this performa for $50 off ebay |
| 23:41.38 | neiras | with the l33t AV monitor |
| 23:41.45 | neiras | sexy box |
| 23:41.59 | gobbles | simonrvn, for some reason quik wont install...even with scsi |
| 23:42.08 | neiras | setenv load-base -1 $SETENV: invalid number |
| 23:42.13 | neiras | wtf |
| 23:42.17 | simonrvn | no, do ffffffff |
| 23:42.17 | gobbles | is it possible a gossamer needs yaboot ? |
| 23:42.20 | neiras | oh ok |
| 23:42.32 | simonrvn | gobbles: what's the OF version again? |
| 23:42.43 | gobbles | 20.1f |
| 23:42.51 | gobbles | 2.01f |
| 23:42.56 | simonrvn | 2.0.1f :) |
| 23:43.05 | gobbles | thank you |
| 23:43.35 | neiras | hmm! it setenv doesn't complain with ffffffff, but it doesn't actually set the variable |
| 23:43.39 | neiras | printenv shows no change |
| 23:43.52 | gobbles | its slightly different than the g3 im talking to you on |
| 23:44.03 | gobbles | that i did a few weeks ago |
| 23:44.32 | iron_angel | butt-a-max. There must be something wrong with the image. |
| 23:44.35 | simonrvn | neiras: try reset-all, then printenv again |
| 23:44.41 | neiras | ok |
| 23:44.51 | iron_angel | cmp found no diffs between the image and floppy, they have the same sha1sum... |
| 23:44.52 | neiras | love that boot sound |
| 23:45.05 | iron_angel | but, bootage still no workie :-( |
| 23:45.07 | *** mode/#debianppc [+o simonrvn] by ChanServ |
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| 23:45.18 | *** mode/#debianppc [-o simonrvn] by simonrvn |
| 23:45.50 | gobbles | and dont do it again |
| 23:45.52 | simonrvn | gobbles: paste your nvsetenv output to paster there (/whois paster for the URI), if you can |
| 23:46.15 | gobbles | imposible, its on annother machine |
| 23:46.24 | gobbles | its sitting at of |
| 23:46.29 | simonrvn | serial console ;P |
| 23:46.33 | gobbles | looking for scsi drivfes |
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| 23:46.49 | neiras | heeeey |
| 23:46.53 | neiras | getting somewhere |
| 23:46.57 | gobbles | no, no serial |
| 23:47.48 | gobbles | it has a built in monitor. right next to me. but i have to jump back n forth |
| 23:48.07 | gobbles | hither and thither |
| 23:48.39 | simonrvn | you might have to boot it from mock os using bootx :/ |
| 23:48.50 | iron_angel | beginning to think so... |
| 23:48.59 | simonrvn | no, gobbles' box |
| 23:49.04 | simonrvn | yours can |
| 23:50.06 | gobbles | bogus |
| 23:50.18 | neiras | ok - on boot, I now get "boot /boot/vmlinux-2.2.20-pmac root=/dev/hda3 can't OPEN: /boot/vmlinux-2.2.20-pmac |
| 23:50.41 | neiras | and real-base has magically reset itself to 6700000 |
| 23:50.46 | simonrvn | um |
| 23:51.09 | simonrvn | neiras: what do you have for boot-command, and boot-file ? |
| 23:51.26 | neiras | boot-file=/boot/vmlinux-2.2.20-pmac root=/dev/hda3 |
| 23:51.47 | simonrvn | boot-file should be what label= says |
| 23:51.57 | neiras | oh |
| 23:52.00 | neiras | so, "Linux" |
| 23:52.05 | simonrvn | in quik.conf |
| 23:52.07 | simonrvn | yes |
| 23:52.09 | neiras | ok |
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| 23:52.53 | simonrvn | iron_angel: just re-download the image, and re-do the floppy |
| 23:54.48 | neiras | simon, boot-command is begin ['] boot catch 1000 ms cr again |
| 23:55.08 | gobbles | i keep getting scsi buss reset |
| 23:56.25 | iron_angel | re-yoinked the image, both old and new one have sha1sum 683d5543f4f5057047ec092529f7ee5f8024d2f8. |
| 23:56.38 | iron_angel | I think my box just doesn't like that floopy image. |
| 23:57.16 | neiras | anyone here, what is your default boot-command? |