| 00:04.57 | gobbles | ill piss on it n throw it in a swimming pool before mock os touches my drive |
| 00:05.17 | neiras | hear hear |
| 00:05.21 | simonrvn | neiras: boot is default |
| 00:05.25 | neiras | hmm |
| 00:05.55 | simonrvn | gobbles: beige g3s aren't necessarily the easiest amchiens to get drive booting |
| 00:06.01 | simonrvn | they're the hardest, IMO |
| 00:06.12 | simonrvn | @shoot my typist |
| 00:06.16 | gobbles | it was easy with the on im on |
| 00:06.30 | gobbles | their the same of version |
| 00:06.42 | neiras | gah |
| 00:06.45 | neiras | CLAIM FAILED |
| 00:06.51 | gobbles | why is quik telling it to boot to a drive that isnt there |
| 00:07.33 | gobbles | or in the default wht is of not booting to a drive it says is there |
| 00:09.29 | neiras | GAH |
| 00:09.38 | neiras | real-base keeps resetting to 6700000 |
| 00:09.46 | neiras | everything else stays as I put it |
| 00:10.04 | simonrvn | hmm. ok |
| 00:10.31 | simonrvn | gobbles: tell me what your OF settings are -> #flood |
| 00:13.40 | neiras | Hey, I'm not alone: http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2001/12/msg00286.html |
| 00:14.43 | gobbles | what settings am i sending |
| 00:14.50 | *** join/#debianppc crashinglinux (~crashingl@p5081301A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:17.19 | iron_angel | argle. This box is extremely resistant to booting anything but MacOS. Ever. |
| 00:17.25 | neiras | simonrvn: I just tried some straight boot commands. "boot ata/ATA-Disk@0:0" gives me "CLAIM FAILED"... "...:1" and "...:2" give "Partition not bootable" |
| 00:17.38 | neiras | :3 is also "Claim Failed" |
| 00:18.06 | iron_angel | Gonna try nbsd, just to see if it'll work |
| 00:19.20 | simonrvn | http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2001/12/msg00289.html |
| 00:19.31 | simonrvn | helpful for anyone |
| 00:21.01 | grivell | Coolness. Messing with LVM |
| 00:21.35 | neiras | That's the thread I'm working through atm |
| 00:21.58 | neiras | I just want to get into quik dammit |
| 00:22.23 | neiras | It was so bloody cool seeing linux on this old thing |
| 00:23.21 | gobbles | i got a scsi disk installed simon |
| 00:23.30 | gobbles | it should be booting right to it |
| 00:27.50 | neiras | ok, gonna try to reinstall quik |
| 00:28.17 | neiras | man, they weren't kidding about debianppc being an IQ test |
| 00:28.28 | neiras | this is funny |
| 00:28.37 | neiras | I'm stumped - by a Mac! |
| 00:30.06 | *** join/#debianppc Oryn (oryn@falcore.fsck.tv) |
| 00:54.07 | neiras | wow, this is frustrating |
| 00:54.22 | neiras | booted from floppies, chrooted into system, reinstalled quik... |
| 00:54.35 | neiras | all the boot stages are in place, quik is happy |
| 00:54.44 | neiras | OF still won't boot |
| 00:54.46 | neiras | :< |
| 00:55.00 | neiras | "Partition Not Bootable" |
| 00:55.54 | neiras | AHA |
| 00:56.03 | neiras | "output-device screen ONLY works with floppy booting, must use output-device ttya to boot off of SCSI/IDE." |
| 00:56.14 | neiras | Thank you apple for your fucked-up OF impl |
| 01:12.07 | *** part/#debianppc crashinglinux (~crashingl@p5081301A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:23.10 | *** join/#debianppc flux (~esuom@spir.ath.cx) |
| 01:23.15 | flux | hello :) |
| 01:23.22 | dj-death | hi |
| 01:23.49 | flux | excuse me, in order to do screenshots, i wish i launch a debian-ppc install in a kind of xterm |
| 01:24.08 | flux | i tried with : qemu -boot -cdrom d /dev/hdc |
| 01:24.22 | flux | but it fails immediatly with : |
| 01:24.45 | flux | FATAL : could not read the boot disk |
| 01:24.59 | flux | with both debian-sarge netinstall and debian woody |
| 01:25.32 | flux | does someone know how i could make my "xterm install" install in order to do my screenshot for an article, please ? |
| 01:25.48 | flux | (which soft i could use, or stuff like that...) |
| 01:26.46 | dj-death | most of people probably use vmware |
| 01:26.49 | dj-death | on x86 |
| 01:27.15 | dj-death | I heard of pearpc |
| 01:27.33 | dj-death | but I just dont know what you can really do with it |
| 01:27.49 | flux | hum, i need to do a debian-ppc install |
| 01:28.02 | flux | (in order to show yaboot...) |
| 01:28.12 | flux | i'll look for pearpc |
| 01:28.19 | flux | thank you dj-death :) |
| 01:29.18 | neiras | Hey, in openfirmware, would ata/ATA-Disk@0:0 refer to partition 0 on disk 0 (that is, /dev/hda1 under linux)? |
| 01:30.03 | flux | neiras: i think so |
| 01:30.17 | neiras | because quik, by default, sets my bootvar to ata/ATA-Disk@0:0 even though my linux root partition is on /dev/hda3 |
| 01:30.43 | neiras | that doesn't work of course |
| 01:30.44 | neiras | :( |
| 01:31.27 | *** join/#debianppc flowtech (~flowtech@iD4CC039C.versanet.de) |
| 01:32.41 | neiras | I wonder then, if ata/ATA-Disk@0:2 refers to my root partition /dev/hda3 |
| 01:33.39 | flux | i'm not sure, i prefer not tell you "yes" |
| 01:33.55 | neiras | heh, another blank screen on boot here I come |
| 01:33.59 | flux | but if i well remember, in BSD, it is like this... |
| 01:34.00 | neiras | :L |
| 01:34.12 | flux | so maybe the mac OF is the same ? |
| 01:34.19 | neiras | hopefully |
| 01:34.27 | neiras | thanks for the help |
| 01:34.45 | flux | try... you'll thank me if it work :) |
| 01:34.49 | neiras | hehe |
| 01:38.44 | neiras | hmm |
| 01:39.03 | neiras | maybe the number refers to the of "map" number |
| 01:39.14 | neiras | which would indeed be 3 |
| 01:43.53 | flux | dj-death: pearpc loads the cdrom :) |
| 01:44.20 | flux | i don't know if it'll crash... but thank you a lot for the info :) |
| 01:45.12 | *** join/#debianppc lobezno (~xveganx@62.175.86.219) |
| 01:45.18 | lobezno | hi |
| 01:45.22 | lobezno | is there a way for using flash in ppc? |
| 01:45.28 | lobezno | better than swf player... |
| 01:48.46 | simonrvn | not AFAIK |
| 01:48.57 | thebug | mol + OS X install -> worlds most bloated flash player |
| 01:49.07 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 01:49.12 | lobezno | I removed hfs+ |
| 01:49.17 | thebug | in fact, I think that's in our topic |
| 01:49.37 | thebug | "MOL is a giant flash |
| 01:49.38 | thebug | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.42 | *** mode/#debianppc [+o simonrvn] by ChanServ |
| 01:49.44 | thebug | /topic #mol |
| 01:49.55 | lobezno | but I dont have OSX installed! |
| 01:50.07 | thebug | well then, write a better flash player ;) |
| 01:50.07 | simonrvn | @kernel |
| 01:50.23 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.11.5, prepatch: 2.6.12-rc1, snapshot: 2.6.12-rc1-bk1, 2.4: 2.4.29, prepatch: 2.4.30-rc1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac4, -mm patch: 2.6.11-mm4 |
| 01:50.36 | thebug | or just skip using flash ... i have yet to see anything useful done with it anyway |
| 01:50.39 | *** topic/#debianppc by simonrvn -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC - vers.: 2.6.11.5 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | New (2003+) PowerMacs with XFS HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2s2os | iBook G4 HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2488m | New penguinppc.org live! | pasting? /whois paster | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/3p4nm |
| 01:50.45 | *** mode/#debianppc [-o simonrvn] by simonrvn |
| 01:50.55 | gobbles | what printenv oputput did you want simonrvn |
| 01:51.01 | lobezno | thebug, a chat where I join for meeting nice guys :) |
| 01:51.05 | simonrvn | all of it |
| 01:51.11 | *** join/#debianppc Q-FUNK (~q-funk@gw-5.suomicom.fi) |
| 01:51.31 | lobezno | I am going to install gentoo for give it a try |
| 01:51.38 | simonrvn | or at east relevant bits. boot*, output/input-device |
| 01:51.40 | gobbles | theres no way i can type all that |
| 01:51.40 | simonrvn | l |
| 01:51.41 | lobezno | where I had osx before |
| 01:51.45 | lobezno | :) |
| 01:53.00 | gobbles | boot-device /pci/mac-io/mesh/sd@0:0 |
| 01:53.16 | gobbles | boot-file nothing |
| 01:53.35 | gobbles | input-device kbd |
| 01:53.44 | gobbles | output-device screen |
| 01:54.08 | gobbles | diag-device fd:diags |
| 01:54.14 | simonrvn | boot-command? |
| 01:55.06 | gobbles | i have to type blind cause i have to move my video back n forth |
| 01:55.10 | simonrvn | np |
| 01:55.40 | simonrvn | i do that with my server over here beside me ;) |
| 01:56.09 | gobbles | boot-command begin ['] boot catch 1000 ms cr again boot |
| 01:57.35 | simonrvn | did you try pci/mac-io/mesh/sd@0:0 already? |
| 01:58.01 | gobbles | thats what quik sets it to |
| 01:58.35 | simonrvn | ok |
| 01:59.01 | gobbles | i can run a complete install, and when it reboots i get cant find /pci/mac-io/mesh/sd@0:0 ... scsi bus reset |
| 01:59.05 | gobbles | over and over |
| 01:59.05 | *** part/#debianppc lobezno (~xveganx@62.175.86.219) |
| 01:59.13 | simonrvn | um, wait a minute, quik doesn't edit anything. |
| 01:59.29 | simonrvn | just installs its boot sectors in the boot device |
| 01:59.50 | neiras | actually, on my machine, quik uses nvsetenv to partially modify boot vars |
| 01:59.53 | simonrvn | and that's the actual path and device in OF? |
| 01:59.55 | gobbles | well i reset pram...and after i run the install its back to sd@0:0 again |
| 02:00.00 | gobbles | something does it |
| 02:00.05 | simonrvn | QUIK DOES NOT EDIT NVRAMRC |
| 02:00.13 | simonrvn | the installer does |
| 02:00.41 | neiras | no, but the debian "make bootable" module in the installer DOES actually modify the firmware values |
| 02:00.48 | gobbles | let me check the path again, but im sure the path is correct |
| 02:01.10 | simonrvn | yes. but that is not quik. |
| 02:01.30 | simonrvn | sheesh, maintained it for a while, i should know. and stared at its code... |
| 02:01.32 | neiras | :) |
| 02:01.34 | neiras | haha |
| 02:02.52 | neiras | simonrvn - maybe you can tell me. Is ata/ATA-Disk@0:3 equivalent to /dev/hda3? |
| 02:03.14 | grivell | Wow. LVM is a solution to all my problems. Why didn't I know about this before? It should be default for Linux installs. |
| 02:03.19 | neiras | or should that read ata/ATA-Disk@0:2 |
| 02:03.50 | simonrvn | no. since you don't capitalise the devices unless they are already |
| 02:03.50 | neiras | ...? |
| 02:03.50 | simonrvn | grivell: see sarge installer |
| 02:03.59 | simonrvn | ATA-Disk doesn't exist |
| 02:04.02 | grivell | It has lvm? |
| 02:04.13 | simonrvn | yes |
| 02:04.55 | gobbles | ok the output of dev /pci ls is /pci/mac-io/mesh/sd@0;0 |
| 02:04.58 | grivell | Now we just need ext3 online resizing :) |
| 02:05.27 | grivell | Although reiserfs has that. |
| 02:05.28 | simonrvn | gobbles: besides the typo ;) |
| 02:05.38 | gobbles | correct |
| 02:05.46 | gobbles | my typing sux |
| 02:06.06 | neiras | let me phrase this another way. My boot-device in of is set to /bandit/ohare/ATA/ATA-Disk@0:0. My linux root partition is /dev/hda3. Is that the correct boot-device setting? |
| 02:06.29 | simonrvn | neiras: ata/ata-disk@0:3 would be, yes |
| 02:06.55 | gobbles | question, the first drive is scsi...but its only 700 mb so i made it all " / " and put swap , usr , var, home on the ide device |
| 02:07.00 | simonrvn | though quik doesn't do partitions that way (yet) |
| 02:07.03 | gobbles | could that be screwing with it |
| 02:07.42 | neiras | so 0:0 is incorrect if I want to load a quik boot block on hda3 |
| 02:07.43 | simonrvn | well, as long as wherever you installed first.b and second.b is ext2, it shouldn't care |
| 02:07.58 | simonrvn | neiras: OWs it doesn't matter |
| 02:09.12 | gobbles | ya im using the regular installer |
| 02:09.40 | gobbles | i got a whole box of disks and made one work for 1 boot from the daily dir |
| 02:09.41 | simonrvn | wait a minute. did you do the partitions manually? |
| 02:09.59 | gobbles | than it stopped and no mattewr what floppy i use it wont boot that again |
| 02:10.14 | gobbles | and i never have gotten a standard sarge to boot |
| 02:10.30 | gobbles | yes i did them with cfdisk |
| 02:10.42 | gobbles | initialized first |
| 02:11.14 | gobbles | set them and wrote and quit then mounted them in the installer |
| 02:11.23 | simonrvn | did you do a yaboot bootstrap? good on you if you didn't. |
| 02:11.37 | gobbles | no ive never tried |
| 02:11.41 | simonrvn | ok |
| 02:11.50 | gobbles | i was told yaboot didnt work so never tried it |
| 02:12.31 | gobbles | besides , i have an almost identical machine 9THE ONE IM TALKING ON NOW) THAT WORKS GREAT WITH QUIK |
| 02:12.44 | gobbles | sorry for caps |
| 02:13.24 | simonrvn | same configuration i assume |
| 02:13.24 | simonrvn | same OF version, right? |
| 02:13.24 | gobbles | the only difference i can see is that this one has its monitor built into it |
| 02:13.24 | neiras | man if I ever get this going I'm writing a howto |
| 02:13.29 | gobbles | but its still a g3 in a zif socket |
| 02:13.29 | neiras | no one should suffer like this |
| 02:13.47 | simonrvn | neiras: 8600s aren't hard |
| 02:13.55 | gobbles | \the drives are way smaller but basicaly the same |
| 02:14.03 | simonrvn | i have an 8500 next to me. they differ little |
| 02:14.06 | neiras | this is a 6400 |
| 02:14.06 | gobbles | this one is a 233 instead of a 266 |
| 02:14.16 | simonrvn | neiras: oh. i thought it was an 8600 |
| 02:14.32 | gobbles | i do notice a lot more mention of chrp in its OF though |
| 02:15.05 | gobbles | and its monitor runs off the personality card |
| 02:15.17 | gobbles | and when i boot to OF i cant see the screen |
| 02:16.06 | simonrvn | neiras: http://wiki.kisikew.org/bin/view/Know/MacModels#NoOfwFb |
| 02:17.06 | Curalton | what was the site with a list of apt-archives again? something apt-??.org-ish |
| 02:18.06 | gobbles | if your in kde kpkg works nice |
| 02:18.26 | simonrvn | apt-get.org, backports.org |
| 02:21.31 | gobbles | no advice simon ? |
| 02:21.49 | simonrvn | pondering |
| 02:21.58 | Curalton | doh, just -get, ty :) |
| 02:22.14 | gobbles | would it be doing this if the scsi wasnt jumpered right ? |
| 02:22.32 | simonrvn | well, it should be terminated properly :) |
| 02:22.54 | simonrvn | last last on the chain (cable) should get termed |
| 02:23.04 | simonrvn | s/last last/last dev/ |
| 02:23.25 | gobbles | yes the two devices are on their own cables |
| 02:23.29 | gobbles | and on the end |
| 02:24.45 | gobbles | in the setup it identifies the drive as sda |
| 02:24.46 | gobbles | but |
| 02:25.11 | gobbles | when you initialize a mac drive partition1 is always un deletible |
| 02:25.20 | neiras | man, that sucks |
| 02:25.23 | neiras | :L |
| 02:25.32 | gobbles | so the boot part is sd@0;2 i believe |
| 02:25.42 | simonrvn | gobbles: because the partition map is partition 1 |
| 02:26.04 | gobbles | so sd@0:0 might be wrong ? |
| 02:26.14 | simonrvn | well, you could always try setting it to sd0:2. worth a go |
| 02:26.39 | gobbles | better than giving myself hitlers all night :) |
| 02:27.16 | simonrvn | ? |
| 02:27.24 | gobbles | south park thing |
| 02:27.48 | gobbles | brb going to set the env different |
| 02:28.08 | gobbles | is sd@0 "semicolon or full colon ? |
| 02:28.16 | simonrvn | : |
| 02:28.20 | gobbles | got ya |
| 02:28.31 | gobbles | and 0:2 is right too ? |
| 02:28.35 | simonrvn | yup |
| 02:28.40 | gobbles | ok brb |
| 02:30.45 | *** join/#debianppc knife (none@ool-18bbf34e.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 02:33.50 | gobbles | nada |
| 02:34.28 | simonrvn | lemme think on this a bit |
| 02:34.36 | gobbles | keeps saying "resetting scsi buss" |
| 02:35.16 | gobbles | but the cant find message went away |
| 02:35.44 | simonrvn | check the hardware. see if there's some loose cable or something |
| 02:36.08 | gobbles | think itmight matter what buss its on ? |
| 02:36.24 | gobbles | swap the cd with the drive ? |
| 02:36.52 | simonrvn | try |
| 02:37.17 | gobbles | what you wont hand me answers on a silver platter no more !!! |
| 02:37.26 | gobbles | the nerve of this guy |
| 02:37.28 | gobbles | hehe |
| 02:37.46 | gobbles | whats your web site url |
| 02:37.58 | gobbles | its extreemly helpfull |
| 02:38.37 | simonrvn | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/macppc/, and some stuff at http://wiki.kisikew.org/bin/view/Know/ |
| 02:59.06 | *** join/#debianppc offroadgeek (~michael@c-24-118-57-32.mn.client2.attbi.com) |
| 03:18.58 | *** join/#debianppc flowtech (~flowtech@iD4CC0346.versanet.de) |
| 03:27.57 | *** join/#debianppc dloer (~killerbyt@p54A1F99C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:35.28 | *** join/#debianppc sk1p_ (alex@pD9E3DEBB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 04:01.43 | *** join/#debianppc knife|pbook (~joe@ool-18bbf34e.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 04:02.14 | *** join/#debianppc knife (none@ool-18bbf34e.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 04:08.34 | dj-death | I cant record what xmms is playing |
| 04:08.47 | dj-death | does someone know why ? |
| 04:12.58 | gobbles | anyone know the option command that enables agp acceleration in xf86config-4 ? |
| 04:15.32 | *** join/#debianppc offroadgeek (~michael@c-24-118-57-32.mn.client2.attbi.com) |
| 04:21.47 | dj-death | Option "AGPMode" "4" |
| 04:25.38 | gobbles | thanks mang |
| 04:26.07 | gobbles | maybe stream it to a file |
| 04:51.36 | *** join/#debianppc cc (~cc@byte.fedora) |
| 04:52.47 | *** join/#debianppc flowtech (~flowtech@iD4CC0346.versanet.de) |
| 04:59.57 | *** join/#debianppc grivell (~grivell@pcp05900009pcs.glst3401.nj.comcast.net) |
| 05:04.20 | gobbles | man sarge install is majorly different from the woody |
| 05:09.53 | bioterror | sarge is newer and better driver support |
| 05:10.01 | bioterror | woody is really old if you think |
| 05:10.50 | knife|pbook | lol |
| 05:15.08 | gobbles | can mac run 2 ide devices jumpered to master and slave on 1 ide cable ? |
| 05:32.47 | bioterror | why not? |
| 05:33.00 | bioterror | I have ;D |
| 05:33.09 | bioterror | 80GB + 160 GB |
| 05:33.19 | bioterror | (but it's only 120 :( |
| 05:41.35 | *** join/#debianppc knife (none@ool-18bbf34e.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 05:48.04 | gobbles | so i can pull the stock mac single ended ide connectors and put in some 2 connector standard ide cables ? |
| 05:53.04 | bioterror | I have one in my G4 PowerMac ;D |
| 05:53.56 | bioterror | why don't you try? |
| 05:53.57 | gobbles | ya but mines an oldworld g3 |
| 05:54.09 | gobbles | its a pain to test |
| 05:54.10 | bioterror | it doesn't cost you any money? |
| 05:54.57 | gobbles | its an all in one. you have to tear the entire thing apart to get to the ide cables |
| 05:56.49 | bioterror | :D |
| 05:57.04 | bioterror | you have shitty case ;D |
| 06:44.23 | *** join/#debianppc [MA]MTM84|X| (~mtm84@ca-fulrtn-cuda1e-76.lmdaca.adelphia.net) |
| 07:33.27 | *** join/#debianppc xbaez (~xbaez@201.138.169.48) |
| 07:48.38 | *** join/#debianppc knife (none@ool-18bbf34e.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 08:23.22 | *** join/#debianppc iron_angel (~kronoman@ppp-138-53.26-151.libero.it) |
| 08:58.37 | *** join/#debianppc niktaris (~niktaris@vdp006.her01.cas.hol.gr) |
| 09:15.00 | *** join/#debianppc [MA]MTM84|X| (~mtm84@ca-fulrtn-cuda1e-76.lmdaca.adelphia.net) |
| 09:20.57 | *** join/#debianppc gobbles (~kelly@c-24-8-196-115.client.comcast.net) |
| 09:21.21 | gobbles | how can i get a right click menu in kde with a 1 button mouse |
| 09:21.37 | Bor_Ed | @+3 buttons |
| 09:21.38 | ravenbird | sysctl -w dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation=1, and dev.mac_hid.mouse_buttonY_keycode=XX -- where XX is a number you get from showkey (in console only), the key you want, and Y is 2 or 3. however, you'll lose functionality of the selected keys for any other use, or to make the change permanent, add the entries to /etc/sysctl.conf - man sysctl.conf, and you can ... |
| 09:25.05 | Bor_Ed | ctrl+shift+numlock would enable mouse emulation on numeric keypad if you prefer that way |
| 09:26.19 | gobbles | neither seem to work |
| 09:26.44 | Bor_Ed | you have *book ? |
| 09:27.06 | gobbles | *book ? |
| 09:27.14 | Bor_Ed | ibook or powebook |
| 09:27.15 | gobbles | no ppc |
| 09:29.05 | Bor_Ed | I fixed the thingy on this box by buying usb2.0 5 port card and a decent usb mouse |
| 09:29.31 | gobbles | thers got to be an easier way |
| 09:29.42 | Bor_Ed | the 3 button emulation works |
| 09:29.45 | gobbles | i need to empty my garbage |
| 09:30.02 | gobbles | i dont understand that message |
| 09:30.18 | Bor_Ed | hehe, edit /etc/sysctl.conf ... |
| 09:30.26 | Bor_Ed | dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation=1 |
| 09:30.31 | gobbles | that parts easy |
| 09:31.02 | Bor_Ed | dev.mac_hid.mouse_button2_keycode= (something you get from showkey, iirc 83 for f10 key) |
| 09:31.16 | Bor_Ed | and similar line for button3 with f11 keycode |
| 09:31.44 | gobbles | ya i tried showkey and it wont take my command |
| 09:32.12 | Bor_Ed | you need to run it on full console (ctrl+alt+f1) ... you can get back with alt+f7 |
| 09:33.54 | gobbles | so is f9 0~ ? |
| 09:34.37 | Bor_Ed | lessee, I'll drop to console |
| 09:35.29 | Bor_Ed | 0x43 and 0x44 |
| 09:36.19 | gobbles | f9 and f10 ? |
| 09:36.24 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 09:36.29 | gobbles | thanks |
| 09:36.33 | Bor_Ed | np |
| 09:37.05 | gobbles | now restart x ? |
| 09:37.12 | Bor_Ed | no need |
| 09:37.13 | gobbles | or reboot ? |
| 09:37.18 | Bor_Ed | sysctl -p is enough |
| 09:38.22 | gobbles | you are the mother fucking man ! |
| 09:38.34 | Bor_Ed | umm ? :o |
| 09:38.40 | gobbles | i guess thats why all the girls gall you big dick daddy |
| 09:38.46 | gobbles | :) |
| 09:39.03 | gobbles | that means wahoo it worked...thank you |
| 09:39.04 | Bor_Ed | umm, oookay |
| 09:42.05 | gobbles | maybe you can help with annother minor annoyance |
| 09:42.11 | Bor_Ed | can try |
| 09:42.58 | gobbles | i got annother system that i cant seem to get right |
| 09:43.01 | gobbles | its a laptop |
| 09:43.09 | gobbles | hp ze5600 |
| 09:43.29 | gobbles | it has an ati radeon igp and wont stretch |
| 09:43.52 | Bor_Ed | you need atitech.ca driver for igp to work |
| 09:45.56 | gobbles | www.atitech.ca ? |
| 09:46.03 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 09:46.56 | gobbles | in dselect it says "U" is set all to recomended state |
| 09:47.04 | gobbles | but shift u doesnt work |
| 09:47.20 | gobbles | any idea how to set dselect to recomended for all ? |
| 09:47.42 | Bor_Ed | I have never got in to dselect 'working' ... I use synaptic/aptitude if I want some fancy interface and apt-get usually |
| 09:48.32 | gobbles | gtk warning : cannot open display |
| 09:48.54 | gobbles | i cant get x running at the moment cause the display is fokered |
| 09:49.01 | Bor_Ed | you need to launch synaptic from sudo or su -c'synaptic' |
| 09:49.14 | Bor_Ed | bbias, restarting X |
| 09:51.54 | *** join/#debianppc Bor_Ed (~ari@dc185.netikka.fi) |
| 09:54.29 | *** join/#debianppc knife (none@ool-18bbf34e.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 09:58.51 | gobbles | i thought 2.6.11 was stable today |
| 09:59.05 | Bor_Ed | Linux g3 2.6.12-rc1-bk1 #1 Sat Mar 19 18:36:56 EET 2005 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 09:59.12 | Bor_Ed | is stable too :) |
| 09:59.31 | gobbles | is 2.6.8 ok...? |
| 09:59.54 | Bor_Ed | if you don't mind the vulnerabilities shipped with it |
| 10:03.52 | gobbles | 2.6.x makes modules and everything in one command doesnt it ? |
| 10:05.59 | Bor_Ed | make-kpkg binary-arch does everything for me |
| 10:06.12 | Bor_Ed | even in nice .deb packages |
| 10:14.22 | gobbles | makes the kernel and installs it into grub and everything ? |
| 10:15.27 | gobbles | this mini.iso is bs |
| 10:15.29 | Bor_Ed | ppc doesn't have grub |
| 10:15.38 | gobbles | kpkg isnt installed |
| 10:15.48 | Bor_Ed | it's called kernel-package |
| 10:16.02 | gobbles | i know im doing several systems at the same time |
| 10:16.16 | Bor_Ed | aww |
| 10:17.46 | gobbles | kpkg isnt installedi cant do that 1 line at a time |
| 10:18.06 | gobbles | and theres no make menuconfig |
| 10:18.10 | Bor_Ed | apt-get install kernel-package |
| 10:18.17 | gobbles | cause ncurses-devel dont exist |
| 10:18.26 | Bor_Ed | apt-get build-deb kernel-image-2.6 |
| 10:18.32 | gobbles | i got it, its doing one line at a time |
| 10:22.23 | gobbles | screw uit, im downloading annother iso to see if any of them install things the way their supposed to be |
| 10:22.37 | gobbles | woody installs everything you need |
| 10:22.45 | Bor_Ed | umm |
| 10:22.52 | Bor_Ed | woody really isn't worth it |
| 10:22.52 | gobbles | this little net install of sarge did a crappy job |
| 10:23.16 | Bor_Ed | I've installed with d-i rc2 to several boxes, works just fine |
| 10:23.29 | gobbles | im getting rc4 now |
| 10:40.40 | *** join/#debianppc sadjester (~sadjester@pool-71-96-139-138.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 10:45.00 | *** join/#debianppc Q-FUNK (~q-funk@gw-5.suomicom.fi) |
| 10:48.34 | *** join/#debianppc Piranha (~piranha@198-202-25-251-wa.client.cet.com) |
| 10:51.15 | iron_angel | is it possible to netboot Debian (for install only) on an OldWorld mac? |
| 10:52.34 | Bor_Ed | if you have integrated networking and recent enought OF, possibly |
| 10:53.10 | iron_angel | It's OF 1.0.5, on a Power Mac 8600. NetBSD will netboot, mostly |
| 10:53.43 | Bor_Ed | deb prolly manages that too, you just have to make own kernel for that |
| 10:54.36 | iron_angel | That probably requires another ppc box to build it on, right? That, or a cross-compiler |
| 10:55.11 | Bor_Ed | crosscompiler... |
| 10:55.34 | Bor_Ed | you don't have floppy drive on the 8600 then ? |
| 10:55.34 | iron_angel | okies, well, I guess I'll look into it... |
| 10:56.15 | iron_angel | Yeah, but I've tried that, and it just hangs |
| 10:56.23 | iron_angel | I think the FD is bad, actually |
| 10:56.25 | Bor_Ed | you need working floppies |
| 10:56.32 | iron_angel | it won't boot NBSD's floppy images either |
| 10:56.41 | Bor_Ed | oldworld macs are picky about that |
| 10:57.13 | iron_angel | even though the sha1sums of both the disk image and the written floppy match, it still won't boot. Hence, this ethernet hack. |
| 10:57.32 | Bor_Ed | good luck on pulling the trick |
| 10:58.01 | iron_angel | what about booting from a zip disk? |
| 10:58.09 | iron_angel | I didn't think of it before, but I do have a zip drive |
| 10:59.09 | Bor_Ed | zip drive works like HD |
| 10:59.23 | iron_angel | hm, ok, that might even be workable then |
| 10:59.42 | Bor_Ed | possibly |
| 10:59.52 | Bor_Ed | you don't have mockos installed or have cd for it ? |
| 11:00.10 | iron_angel | yeah, I have an OS 9 HDD in it |
| 11:00.24 | Bor_Ed | you could use bootx to install deb |
| 11:00.31 | iron_angel | ! |
| 11:00.49 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 11:00.51 | iron_angel | why didn't I think of that :-) |
| 11:01.06 | Bor_Ed | it isn't the most obvious install method :) |
| 11:07.39 | *** join/#debianppc cc (~cc@byte.fedora) |
| 11:17.06 | iron_angel | Ok, giving the whole BootX thing a shot in the dark now. |
| 11:19.09 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 11:34.45 | iron_angel | yay for garbled video! |
| 11:36.34 | Bor_Ed | mmm, it has 2 images with reverse colors or just garbage ? |
| 11:36.46 | iron_angel | just random garbage |
| 11:36.56 | iron_angel | gonna try again with the 'no video driver' option |
| 11:37.06 | iron_angel | arglebargle stupid /chaos/control crap |
| 11:37.07 | Bor_Ed | it might get back to working with reseting the pram |
| 11:37.20 | iron_angel | nah, rebooted back into OS 9 without a prob |
| 11:37.43 | iron_angel | next challenge is convincing it to use the PCI radeon for video-out |
| 11:37.47 | Bor_Ed | yea, mockos usually manages to fixed it... that's why I use bootx nowadays instead of quik |
| 11:40.32 | iron_angel | ok, so, that didn't work either. Just froze instead of booting linux. FOO! |
| 11:41.28 | Bor_Ed | you have more than 1 display adapter ? |
| 11:41.53 | iron_angel | yeah. The onboard one and a PCI Radeon 7500 mac edition |
| 11:42.00 | iron_angel | figured I needed the Radeon to use X |
| 11:42.19 | iron_angel | might help to remove it for installation? |
| 11:42.32 | Bor_Ed | hook the tube to onboard gfx connector, I bet linux is sitting in there |
| 11:42.57 | iron_angel | I thought maybe, but no signal on the VGA port. |
| 11:43.14 | iron_angel | of course, the R7500 has a DVI port, too - but I don't have a DVI-VGA adapter :-( |
| 11:43.57 | Bor_Ed | I have voodoo3 and onboard video here... and linux kernel picks up whichever has screen hooked in |
| 11:44.29 | iron_angel | hm. Well, I have the monitor bolted to the onboard video. Also, the PCI card isn't configured in os 9 |
| 12:06.17 | *** join/#debianppc [MA]MTM84|X| (~mtm84@ca-fulrtn-cuda1e-76.lmdaca.adelphia.net) |
| 12:20.49 | *** join/#debianppc Official_Idler (~killerbyt@p54A1F60B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:28.23 | *** join/#debianppc az[a]zel (~damien@ppp129-160.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net) |
| 12:32.34 | *** join/#debianppc knife (none@ool-18bbf34e.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 13:37.15 | *** join/#debianppc cb1 (~cbr@d224.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu) |
| 13:39.14 | cb1 | I have a 7500/100. The ports page says " Debian GNU/Linux does not officially support NuBus PowerPC machines, such as the 6100, 7100, 8100 and most of the Performa series." Does that mean that I can't set up Debian on my mac? |
| 13:40.12 | *** join/#debianppc dj-death (~dtc@djdeath.dyndns.org) |
| 13:42.38 | Bor_Ed | nubus-pmac.sf.net has kernels and docs for such machines |
| 13:44.23 | pahartik | cb1: PowerMacintosh has got nothing to do with NuBus |
| 13:45.28 | pahartik | cb1: if you look inside, you will see three 32-bit PCI slots |
| 13:45.44 | Bor_Ed | 7500 is pci based ? |
| 13:46.23 | *** join/#debianppc flux_ (~esuom@spir.ath.cx) |
| 13:46.26 | cb1 | Do you mean 7500 uses NuBus and so would not work with Debian? |
| 13:46.54 | Bor_Ed | just checking what expansion it has |
| 13:47.21 | Bor_Ed | pci... it will run debian |
| 13:47.22 | pahartik | cb1: i was trying to say "PowerMacintosh 7500 has got nothing to do with NuBus" |
| 13:47.58 | cb1 | As in it isn't NuBus or some are, some aren't? |
| 13:50.28 | cb1 | I see. NuBus is a bus protocall like PCI. Sorry |
| 13:51.35 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: my PowerMacintosh 7500 here does have "3Dfx Voodoo 3", "Sigma Designs Hollywood Plus" and "Intel PRO/1000 GT" |
| 13:52.51 | Bor_Ed | pahartik, ookay... btw, you have 3d with the voodoo ? |
| 13:54.27 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i am not sure... it is highly irrelevant :) |
| 13:55.06 | Bor_Ed | I wouldn't mind having 3d ... buggr k6-2/500 manages to run fgfs ok and I bet this one would do too as soon as the 3d would work :I |
| 13:55.38 | cb1 | Looking at the debian docs, they mention lists of CPUs always starting with the 603. Does this mean that 601s like my unupgraded 7500 are not supported? |
| 13:56.24 | pahartik | cb1: i have got PowerPC 604e on it, but since Debian default kernels seem to have "CONFIG_PPC601_SYNC_FIX=y", installer kernel probably has it too |
| 13:56.53 | cb1 | ok |
| 13:58.36 | Bor_Ed | at least 7200/90 and 8200/120 worked with woody and sid kernels |
| 13:59.11 | bioterror | aaayee! ;) |
| 14:06.53 | *** join/#debianppc [MA]MTM84|X| (~mtm84@ca-fulrtn-cuda1e-76.lmdaca.adelphia.net) |
| 14:25.56 | Bor_Ed | ookay |
| 14:35.09 | *** join/#debianppc knife (none@ool-18bbf34e.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 14:45.34 | *** join/#debianppc dloer (~killerbyt@p54A1F60B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:09.15 | *** join/#debianppc mirak (~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-37-49.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:07.04 | *** join/#debianppc [MA]MTM84|X| (~mtm84@ca-fulrtn-cuda1e-76.lmdaca.adelphia.net) |
| 17:03.02 | *** join/#debianppc knife|pbook (~joe@ool-18bbf34e.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 17:03.11 | *** part/#debianppc cb1 (~cbr@d224.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu) |
| 17:27.04 | *** join/#debianppc MooglyGuy (~mega64man@24.159.46.196) |
| 17:31.28 | *** join/#debianppc knife (joe@ool-18bbf34e.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 17:39.17 | *** join/#debianppc dolphy (~dolphy@218.Red-80-38-145.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:02.36 | *** join/#debianppc crashinglinux (~crashingl@p50813BBA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:03.05 | crashinglinux | Hi all .. |
| 18:07.18 | *** join/#debianppc [MA]MTM84|X| (~mtm84@ca-fulrtn-cuda1e-76.lmdaca.adelphia.net) |
| 18:16.53 | *** join/#debianppc Oryn (oryn@falcore.fsck.tv) |
| 18:25.42 | *** join/#debianppc knife (none@ool-18bbf34e.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 18:56.43 | *** join/#debianppc grivell (~grivell@pcp05900009pcs.glst3401.nj.comcast.net) |
| 18:58.05 | *** join/#debianppc Sparc-kly|G4 (~sparc@64.237.135.212) |
| 19:14.43 | *** join/#debianppc damog (~damog@damog.user) |
| 20:29.50 | *** join/#debianppc knife (none@ool-18bbf34e.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:51.27 | *** join/#debianppc deadsmith (~matt@cpe-67-9-177-35.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 20:58.09 | *** join/#debianppc [MA]MTM84|X| (~mtm84@ca-fulrtn-cuda1e-76.lmdaca.adelphia.net) |
| 20:58.46 | *** join/#debianppc niktaris (~niktaris@195.97.43.182) |
| 21:03.48 | *** join/#debianppc ctr_ (~ctr@twoflower.hiddenmemory.co.uk) |
| 21:30.51 | *** join/#debianppc snooo (~david@82-36-65-161.cable.ubr01.harb.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 21:30.55 | snooo | hey |
| 21:31.02 | snooo | trying to compile faad2 for ppc sarge |
| 21:31.07 | snooo | but i need autoreconf |
| 21:31.22 | snooo | if i try to install autoconf, apt insists that i remove a whole list of software |
| 21:31.30 | snooo | anyideas what could be causing it? |
| 21:31.40 | simonrvn | autoconf and autoreconf are different, no? |
| 21:32.08 | snooo | are they? |
| 21:32.14 | simonrvn | my bad doesn't exist |
| 21:32.51 | snooo | i cant install automake without probs either, it seems |
| 21:33.10 | simonrvn | you have bigger issues. try running apt-get -f install |
| 21:33.45 | snooo | just tried apt-get without dselect and it seems |
| 21:33.46 | snooo | fine |
| 21:33.49 | snooo | n/m |
| 21:33.51 | snooo | cheers anyway |
| 21:34.02 | *** join/#debianppc deadsmith (~matt@cpe-67-9-177-35.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 22:00.13 | *** join/#debianppc ctr- (~ctr@twoflower.hiddenmemory.co.uk) |
| 22:06.23 | *** join/#debianppc mirak (~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-52-194.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:11.11 | *** join/#debianppc [MA]MTM84|X| (~mtm84@ca-fulrtn-cuda1e-76.lmdaca.adelphia.net) |
| 22:34.23 | *** join/#debianppc dloer (~killerbyt@pD9E41D95.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:43.49 | *** join/#debianppc knife (none@ool-18bbf34e.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 23:22.42 | *** join/#debianppc grivell (~grivell@pcp05900009pcs.glst3401.nj.comcast.net) |
| 23:33.08 | *** join/#debianppc lothwen (~lothwen@34.72.223.82.arsystel.com) |
| 23:49.05 | *** join/#debianppc mrdeath (~avb@dial-pool3-236.bas-net.by) |
| 23:49.22 | mrdeath | hello all |
| 23:53.12 | mrdeath | how stable works linux on ppc? |
| 23:53.52 | mrdeath | better then on intel platform? |
| 23:55.39 | grivell | Same |
| 23:55.44 | pahartik | mrdeath: yes |
| 23:55.46 | *** join/#debianppc xbaez (~xbaez@201.138.169.48) |
| 23:55.51 | grivell | It is just as stable as the hardware it runs on. |
| 23:56.25 | grivell | PPC's from Apple are well designed. x86's from Dell... Not so much. |
| 23:56.59 | grivell | x86's from me, very much ;) |
| 23:56.59 | mrdeath | i just read that 2.6 kernel has no support for a sleep and wifi from my ibook g4 is still not supported |
| 23:57.06 | mrdeath | is it true? |
| 23:57.21 | dj-death | mrdeath: no |
| 23:57.29 | grivell | Airport Extreme is not supported. Sleep is (2.6.11) |
| 23:57.31 | dj-death | mrdeath: sleep work since 2.6.11 |
| 23:57.58 | pahartik | mrdeath: sleep is being developed |
| 23:58.11 | grivell | pahartik: It works. Just have to remove usb devices. |
| 23:58.12 | mrdeath | :( i use wifi on 4 places |
| 23:58.49 | mrdeath | okay. thanks |
| 23:58.54 | grivell | mrdeath: Get a usb dongle |
| 23:59.04 | grivell | ~usbwifi |
| 23:59.05 | apt | wlan-ng must be downloaded from http://www.linux-wlan.org/ . wlan-ng cards: D-Link DWL-122 USB (802.11b). Other chipsets: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zd1211/ (802.11g usb). Buy at http://store.yahoo.com/pctekonline/ph80wiusb20a.html |
| 23:59.15 | mrdeath | it's not a sollution |
| 23:59.24 | grivell | It is a working solution. |
| 23:59.37 | dj-death | 802.11g ?? |
| 23:59.42 | grivell | Or. Complain to Broadcom about the Airport Extreme specs not being released. |
| 23:59.43 | dj-death | does it really works ? |
| 23:59.51 | grivell | dj-death: I hear yes. |