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| 01:20.41 | johill | got the fn key on the latest powerbook working too |
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| 11:32.32 | gobbles | this is going to sound stupid but i cant seem to mount my dvd rom |
| 11:32.56 | gobbles | its identified as /dev/hdg any ideas ? |
| 11:34.55 | gobbles | i dont even see a dvdrom device in kde / devices |
| 11:35.27 | gobbles | and yet if i mount a cd in it, it mounts fine |
| 11:37.38 | ukh | gobbles: modprobe udf? |
| 11:38.56 | gobbles | i compiled udf into the kernel |
| 11:39.51 | gobbles | mount -t udf /dev/hdg /mnt/dvd ? |
| 11:44.12 | gobbles | dmesg says its tied to ide-cdrom does that matter |
| 11:46.17 | ukh | gobbles: as far as I can tell, it looks ok. error message? |
| 11:47.57 | gobbles | mount: unknown filesystem type 'udf' |
| 11:52.57 | ukh | gobbles: that should only happen if udf is *not* in the kernel. please double-check that udf indeed is compiled-in... |
| 11:53.52 | ukh | ...and you're on sid/2.6.8+, right? |
| 11:54.09 | gobbles | i dont think so |
| 11:54.17 | gobbles | i believe im in 2.4.27 |
| 11:54.36 | gobbles | yes 2.4.27 |
| 11:54.49 | gobbles | should i switch and recompile ? |
| 11:54.51 | ukh | ah, ok, then I don't know... might be some 2.4 oddity |
| 11:55.39 | ukh | gobbles: just make sure that udf indeed is in the kernel, or if it's a module, it should turn up with "lsmod". |
| 11:57.39 | ukh | but I'm not 100% sure about 2.4 kernels - you might want to ask on #debian, since it's a pretty generic problem |
| 11:57.42 | gobbles | yep my .config says its there |
| 12:00.21 | ukh | and the timestamp for /boot/config-2.4.27 is approximately the same as in 'uname -a'? |
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| 12:24.34 | crashinglinux | .. Morning ... :) |
| 12:27.39 | johill | hey |
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| 15:01.32 | Belxjander | anyone here know anything about setting up some form of Linux bootstrap without having Mac OS resident on the drive at all ? |
| 15:02.05 | Bor_Ed | you can boot with floppies and install quik if it's oldworld box you're trying to install |
| 15:02.23 | Belxjander | Bor_Ed: would be good if I had another machine to MAKE the floppies with |
| 15:02.40 | Belxjander | I got the machine as blank slate to start with and don't have any legal means of installing and running Mac OS on it... |
| 15:02.42 | Axios | I bought a new 12" ibook g4, and I want to install debian on it |
| 15:02.45 | Bor_Ed | any machine with 1.44M floppy drive will do |
| 15:02.46 | Belxjander | it's an S900 "clone" machine |
| 15:02.59 | Bor_Ed | S900 ? |
| 15:03.04 | Bor_Ed | hmm, haven't heard of such |
| 15:03.21 | Belxjander | Bor_Ed: UMAX Pulsar... see everymac.com about it... the 604 based 150MHz model |
| 15:03.30 | Bor_Ed | ahh, right |
| 15:03.59 | Axios | is there a god tutorial for partitioning the harddrive? |
| 15:04.22 | Bor_Ed | Axios, the debian install manual |
| 15:04.36 | Bor_Ed | @+ d-i |
| 15:04.36 | ravenbird | d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 15:05.08 | Belxjander | I have it sitting at the prompt for partitioning for restarting the installer ramdisk with kernel at this time |
| 15:06.58 | Axios | the debian installer manual looks great |
| 15:07.35 | Bor_Ed | it's decent manual |
| 15:07.35 | Bor_Ed | Belxjander, then restart the box |
| 15:07.48 | beth | every time I put debian on a mac, I completely forget how the partitioning tool works, it makes very little sense |
| 15:08.09 | beth | I figure it out, say "I should write that down for next time!", and then I don't. |
| 15:08.36 | Belxjander | Bor_Ed: okay... I'll hit "reset" and call it a fscking doorstop... |
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| 15:09.00 | Bor_Ed | I've installed only once, that was when I got this box... just dist-upgrading and fixing fsck'd up sys usually works |
| 15:10.25 | Belxjander | Bor_Ed: so... can we start over? |
| 15:10.51 | Bor_Ed | Belxjander, yup, you can start over |
| 15:13.09 | Belxjander | Bor_Ed: great... and do you mind answering some questions about boot options ? |
| 15:13.33 | Belxjander | since "Mac OS:BootX" and "MkLinux" boot mechanisms are both completely out of the question |
| 15:13.38 | Bor_Ed | well I'll be splitting at some point of the evening but I answer if I'm here/can answer |
| 15:13.46 | Belxjander | same goes for anything dependant on "openfirmware" due non-presence... |
| 15:14.11 | Bor_Ed | s900 has OF, though it might only be accessible from serial console |
| 15:16.03 | Belxjander | it does ? |
| 15:16.06 | Belxjander | news to me |
| 15:16.17 | Belxjander | this one doesn't report any "OF" doesn't show anything |
| 15:16.29 | Belxjander | and the "OF" based boot CD's of SMGL and Gentoo both get ignored... |
| 15:16.34 | Belxjander | hell |
| 15:16.55 | Belxjander | OpenDarwin AND Mac OS X Panther also get completely ass-about-face ignored the same as Mac OS 9 |
| 15:17.23 | Bor_Ed | if it has pci bus, it's a box with OF |
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| 15:20.06 | Belxjander | Bor_Ed: PCI == yes, OF == NO |
| 15:20.15 | Belxjander | I have already been down that path |
| 15:20.15 | Bor_Ed | pci macs all have OG |
| 15:20.17 | Bor_Ed | OF even |
| 15:20.29 | Belxjander | Bor_Ed: dumb assumption... this thing is "oldworld"... |
| 15:20.37 | Belxjander | OF is NOT... and I mean it... NOT present |
| 15:20.38 | Bor_Ed | so are all my macs |
| 15:21.00 | Bor_Ed | and every single oldworld mac has OF as does the newworld ones... nubus pmacs are only ones without it |
| 15:21.15 | kbrooks | pmacs? |
| 15:21.19 | kbrooks | power macs? |
| 15:21.20 | Bor_Ed | powermacs |
| 15:24.25 | Belxjander | Bor_Ed: know anything about "PowerMac clone" machines ? |
| 15:24.31 | Belxjander | as done by UMAX and others ? |
| 15:25.00 | beth | http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/quik/quirks.php # this may help |
| 15:25.01 | Bor_Ed | they have same logic boards as macs, just the case and such differ |
| 15:25.09 | Belxjander | so if OF is present... why does every non-HFS CD in the CD drive retard the drive to being non-functional? |
| 15:25.26 | Belxjander | and is there any way to tell specifically if it IS present ? |
| 15:25.39 | Bor_Ed | because of oldworld macs don't boot on non-HFS cds |
| 15:25.41 | Belxjander | since this thing seems to be a completely non-responsive brick at the best of times |
| 15:25.59 | Bor_Ed | you need to have couple of floppies to boot the thingy |
| 15:26.43 | Belxjander | right now I have no floppies... a running kernel no CDs... |
| 15:26.51 | Belxjander | no media with anything on it I can use currently |
| 15:27.05 | Belxjander | the only CD's of anything at all are a SourceMage and Gentoo CD pair... |
| 15:27.14 | Bor_Ed | get mac os 7.5.3... it's free from apple.com |
| 15:27.51 | Belxjander | and put it to disk right ? |
| 15:27.56 | Belxjander | how "stable" is it ? |
| 15:28.11 | Belxjander | as the only "mac os" I have here are "classic 8" on CD... |
| 15:28.18 | Bor_Ed | no idea, I've only tested it on basiliskII (m68k mac emu, seemed to work ok) |
| 15:28.22 | Belxjander | which the machine is quite happy to boot from CD with... as long as the HDD is blank |
| 15:28.24 | Bor_Ed | classic 8 worjs on the box |
| 15:28.34 | Belxjander | well this is a PowerPC based box |
| 15:28.44 | Belxjander | and seems to have "issues" with anything I can think of trying |
| 15:29.24 | Bor_Ed | you can't run osx on it, gentoo, well forget it... debian and some sort of bsd are pretty much the choices for you if you don't want apple os |
| 15:30.10 | Belxjander | well I don't mind starting with a debian base but I absolutely refuse to deal with deb or rpm crap... |
| 15:30.44 | Belxjander | that is getting immediately stripped and I'll rebuild whatever packages I have to from kernel and glibc upwards as long as I can make some kind of minimal "/boot" partition... |
| 15:30.44 | Bor_Ed | umm, you don't have to mess with them on modern distros... there are the things called package management tools for those |
| 15:31.39 | Belxjander | Bor_Ed: right now I have had this dammed doorstop since christmas... |
| 15:31.53 | Belxjander | and whatever I have tried with it has ended up in several dozen failures... |
| 15:32.06 | Bor_Ed | hmm |
| 15:32.09 | Belxjander | including massive unstable screwups from mac os itself... |
| 15:32.29 | Bor_Ed | well that's apple software for ya... I use mockos only to boot linux |
| 15:32.42 | Belxjander | I don't care for much other than getting something that works and preferably without any dependance on any form of "commercial" software what so ever |
| 15:33.19 | Bor_Ed | you can get it to do standalone linux too with quik... you probably have to get serial cable though to tweak the OF when the setup kabooms |
| 15:33.22 | Belxjander | hrmm well the previous machine I had was an x86 machine that I had setup really dammed well with a proper Linux system present |
| 15:33.42 | Belxjander | though I dual-installed windows on that thing... ended up with some dust in the processor and physically melted a hole in the processor |
| 15:34.07 | Bor_Ed | I've got mockos/debian dualboot on this |
| 15:34.57 | Belxjander | so I either suck thumb accept the machine getting shit on and install that "toy" that calls itself an OS mockos crap and just deal with the farce called BootX to make it boot at all? |
| 15:35.27 | Belxjander | or call it an expensive doorstop and kick the dammed thing to pieces or use it for target practise hrmm? |
| 15:36.16 | Bor_Ed | you can install quik too as I've mentioned, it doesn't depend on mockos |
| 15:36.25 | Belxjander | oh good... |
| 15:36.36 | Belxjander | do I need any form of "/boot" partition for that ? |
| 15:36.52 | Bor_Ed | nope, you absolutely can't have /boot partition with it |
| 15:37.18 | Belxjander | so a single partition the entire size of the 1GB HDD is what I'll be stuck with ? |
| 15:38.12 | Belxjander | I can deal with that as long as it can be "usable" |
| 15:38.14 | Bor_Ed | you can partition the disk anyway you want |
| 15:38.29 | Bor_Ed | I've got couple of disks with several partitions here currently |
| 15:38.29 | Belxjander | "/"+"/boot" just have to be the same partition right ? |
| 15:38.36 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 15:38.57 | Bor_Ed | but with quik you can have any number or /'s just like with lilo |
| 15:39.35 | Belxjander | that aside Im not worried... I just want the dammed thing working for now AND bootable |
| 15:39.52 | Belxjander | does it matter about FS or can I get reiserfs working instead of ext2 crap ? |
| 15:40.06 | Bor_Ed | it took me 3 days on first ppc running (pmac 7200/90) |
| 15:40.19 | Bor_Ed | dunno about reiser, probably included on d-i |
| 15:40.39 | Belxjander | it isn't so don't bother saying probably |
| 15:40.50 | Belxjander | I know I need to recompile a working kernel post-install anyway |
| 15:41.27 | Belxjander | looks like this thing will be doing LFS style rebuilds for a couple of days to get upto what I need for the rest of the smgl package system to be bootstrapped into enough of a basesystem to work |
| 15:41.28 | Bor_Ed | I have stock kernel on the server, this desktop has always most recent one though tuned for the HW |
| 15:42.04 | Belxjander | I only have the powermac for my own... the windows box that I was using on-loan just shat itself again |
| 15:42.52 | Bor_Ed | I've got 3 pmacs currently, 1 in pieces, 1 as server and 1 as desktop |
| 15:43.00 | Belxjander | I know I am getting beyond seriously pissed about that ba*dized crap flushing itself whenever anything I do needs the dammed thing working |
| 15:45.02 | Belxjander | okay...Im going to see about transferring SMGL off the CD I wrote earlier of that to it... |
| 15:45.18 | Belxjander | and just have to hope it doesn't give the same read-errors when Mac OS 8 was running |
| 15:47.39 | Bor_Ed | hmm, back a bit later |
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| 15:59.27 | ericb2 | hi |
| 16:00.25 | ericb2 | I'm searching, for OOo build on PPC, the package libgcj6_4.0-0pre4_powerpc.deb. Can someone help me ? |
| 16:01.30 | al_ | http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-4.0/libgcj6_4.0-0pre4_powerpc.deb |
| 16:01.53 | ericb2 | al_ : Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 128.101.80.133 21] |
| 16:02.03 | al_ | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-4.0/libgcj6_4.0-0pre4_powerpc.deb |
| 16:02.06 | al_ | :) |
| 16:02.44 | ericb2 | al_ : I try... |
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| 16:11.13 | ericb2 | Don't work : Err ftp://ftp.debian.org main/binary-powerpc/ libgcj6-common 4.0-0pre8 |
| 16:11.13 | ericb2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.40 | ericb2 | I just ask "apt-get install gcj-4.0 |
| 16:11.44 | ericb2 | " |
| 16:14.31 | ericb2 | When I was searching amd64 packages for ubuntu, all powerpc packages were already available for ubuntu in gcc4.0 directory ? |
| 16:18.31 | al_ | ? |
| 16:19.46 | ericb2 | al_ : I don't understand why Debian packages are not complete, but there's probably a good reason |
| 16:20.19 | al_ | the gcc4.0 packages are in experimental |
| 16:20.55 | ericb2 | al_ : yes, I know |
| 16:21.26 | ericb2 | al_ : I have perhaps not the good line ? |
| 16:21.51 | ericb2 | I have : deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/project/experimental/ main/binary-powerpc/ |
| 16:22.44 | al_ | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian ../project/experimental main |
| 16:23.21 | ericb2 | al_ : thank you, I test immediatly :-) |
| 16:27.58 | ericb2 | al_ : thank you very much ! |
| 16:28.08 | ericb2 | bye :-) |
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| 16:51.07 | drewcore | hi guys... i've got an oldworld ppc... a few seconds into the boot process, it changes video modes and my monitor (pc mon connected with a little adapter) goes crazy. the macine boots fine, i just can use it with a monitor and have to acess through telnet. any way of stopping that video mode switch? |
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| 17:26.04 | sk1p | drewcore: try video=ofonly |
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| 18:57.45 | avar | I'm going to set it up on a gentoo box I have. |
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| 21:30.20 | bioterror | moi |
| 21:30.22 | bioterror | ohops :D |
| 21:51.52 | Madkiss | so, I installed Debian on my iBook, and after the yaboot prompt, I get straight into OpenFirmware |
| 22:18.07 | Madkiss | okay. |
| 22:18.08 | Madkiss | got that. |
| 22:18.17 | Madkiss | how to switch to the second console? |
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| 22:52.19 | simonrvn | Madkiss: involves some finger gymnastics with the Fn key |
| 22:52.52 | Madkiss | aharm. |
| 22:53.08 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 23:30.00 | Madkiss | Where in the kernel do I enable the ALSA-driver for the iBook? |
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| 23:35.37 | simonrvn | drivers > sound. like every other box |
| 23:35.48 | Madkiss | yeah, but what specific card is it? |
| 23:36.09 | simonrvn | powermac |
| 23:36.29 | Madkiss | I have that in, and alsa reports that "no devices were found" |
| 23:36.41 | simonrvn | is it loaded? |
| 23:36.43 | simonrvn | lsmod |
| 23:36.50 | Madkiss | it's compiled in. |
| 23:37.11 | simonrvn | is i2c-keywest built? i think it still deps on that |
| 23:37.38 | simonrvn | might be that it doesn't have the support, if it's really new |
| 23:37.54 | Madkiss | Oh come on ... |
| 23:38.19 | simonrvn | don't make me lart you |
| 23:38.25 | Madkiss | What is i2c-keywest? Where in the menu? |
| 23:38.41 | simonrvn | under drivers |
| 23:39.07 | simonrvn | > i2c |
| 23:39.11 | Madkiss | Listen, this is not the first _kernel I am compiling, and I know where to find I2C. I just don't see something labeled "keywest" there. |
| 23:39.42 | Madkiss | If it's CONFIG_I2C_KEYWEST: then that's it |
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| 23:40.55 | simonrvn | yes |
| 23:41.21 | Madkiss | it's compiled in. |
| 23:42.47 | simonrvn | is dmasound_* loaded? |
| 23:42.57 | Madkiss | yes. |
| 23:43.27 | simonrvn | did you build that even? how about an .asoundrc, did you make one (don't until it works correctly) ? same goes for /etc/asound.conf |
| 23:43.45 | Madkiss | Why should I try if dmesg tells me that no cards were found? |
| 23:43.50 | simonrvn | then unload it.... do you realise they're trying to use the same resources? |
| 23:44.20 | simonrvn | modprobe -r dmasound_pmac |
| 23:44.25 | simonrvn | modprobe -r dmasound_core |
| 23:45.52 | Madkiss | Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.8 (Thu Jan 13 09:39:32 2005 UTC). |
| 23:45.55 | Madkiss | pmac: can't request resource 0! |
| 23:45.57 | Madkiss | ALSA device list: |
| 23:46.00 | Madkiss | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.01 | simonrvn | or did you build dmasound_* in too? |
| 23:48.08 | Madkiss | I think so. |
| 23:48.11 | simonrvn | you silly person |
| 23:48.18 | Madkiss | not silly, dumb! |
| 23:48.28 | simonrvn | now i get to laugh at you if so |
| 23:48.38 | simonrvn | @laugh at Madkiss |
| 23:48.40 | ravenbird | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! Madkiss just cracks me up! |
| 23:48.47 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 23:49.07 | Madkiss | What options are dmasound_core and _pmac? |
| 23:49.28 | simonrvn | the old OSS crap. useless now. under drivers > sound too |
| 23:49.39 | Madkiss | That is not even enabled. |
| 23:49.40 | simonrvn | sec |
| 23:49.45 | simonrvn | oh ok |
| 23:50.22 | simonrvn | what does 'alsamixer' say when you try to run it |
| 23:50.31 | Madkiss | err. "No devices found"? |
| 23:50.50 | simonrvn | just checking :) |
| 23:51.15 | simonrvn | what kind of ibook is this anyway? |
| 23:51.29 | Madkiss | 12"/G4 |
| 23:51.43 | simonrvn | a recent one innit |
| 23:51.50 | Madkiss | bought today |
| 23:52.34 | hhstnoc | perrty |
| 23:53.40 | simonrvn | yeh could be too new - check the kernel changelog to see if the support was added in. kernel version is some flavour of 2.6.11? |
| 23:54.01 | Madkiss | 2.6.11.5 |
| 23:56.56 | Madkiss | uhm |
| 23:56.59 | Madkiss | having it as module |
| 23:57.00 | Madkiss | seems to work |
| 23:57.04 | Madkiss | strange, I say |